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debears
United States2516 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:40 Toadesstern wrote: last time you tried to lynch me while everyone was disagreeing you got lynched as SK, just saying. What in the fuck does that have to do with this situation? | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote: Gonzaw Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor? Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me This is what your previous post got me thinking. I did the same thing, because I knew I wouldn't be as good as many other players in the game. Dammit... I was finally feeling reasonably sure about something, and now I'm unsure what to think again. debears: Do you think vivax is overall null, or just his candidacy? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:50 mkfuba07 wrote: This is what your previous post got me thinking. I did the same thing, because I knew I wouldn't be as good as many other players in the game. Dammit... I was finally feeling reasonably sure about something, and now I'm unsure what to think again. debears: Do you think vivax is overall null, or just his candidacy? I believe he is over all null, along with his candidacy. He is hard to read because he doesn't have great reads. However, I think a Toad red flip would actually make vivax green | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:42 AxleGreaser wrote: Anul considering Vivaxs meta do you believe it is a truthful possibility that Vivax is "really unskilled noob at mafia." if that not the case why do you present it as an emotionally inflammatory alternative. Your other option is "vivax is either bright red" Is this is a false dichotomy, are they really in your eyes the only two options? You also say "not pro-town right now in any capacity" This Presume goes with "really unskilled noob at mafia." as you appear to be saying the only way for player to be so not pro-town is to be a really unskilled noob. If that is not false dichotomy, would you please explain how you regard so many players who flipped town in LVIII who were not "really unskilled noob at mafia." to appear "not pro-town right now in any capacity" in hindsight. i have no idea what his meta is. i do not place stock in "metas" unlike most people here. whether someone is an unskilled noob has nothing to do with someone's "meta" per se. as to your direct question, "do you believe it is a truthful possibility that Vivax is "really unskilled noob at mafia,"" the answer is obviously "yes" or i would not have said it. you ask me "Is this is a false dichotomy, are they really in your eyes the only two options?" and to this i say "these are my reads." i have made incorrect reads in the past, sure. so, there are really three options: 1. bright red; 2. he's a mega noob; 3. my reads are wrong today. i tend not to play this game assuming #3, though. "as you appear to be saying the only way for player to be so not pro-town is to be a really unskilled noob." -- no, you can be "not-pro-town" by being a mafia, too. hence why i phrased it this way: mafia or meganoob. i did not play in nor read 58 and even if i did, i do not place ANY value on metas whatsoever. i understand i am in the minority with this. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote: Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads Actually No... just No "As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads" What exactly does being mayor do to care for town if it is despite his reads. Caring for town means making things work out best for town not making sure you can play your own personal largest part in it. The previous sentence yes that makes sense Any scum who cant win can safely throw their hat in the ring without consulting the rest of the team... "Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town." Also that is an 2:17 or so in which to talk. On January 20 2013 07:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Roles are out. Please confirm you have received in thread On January 20 2013 10:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So I get great big logical NULL on the existence of the campaign. Although it does look emotively townie. WIFOM hell hence null as with pretty much all prepared plays. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:52 debears wrote: However, I think a Toad red flip would actually make vivax green why is this? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote: Gonzaw Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor? Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me newsflash: it's unreasonable either way. It comes down to wether or not you really think he'd have the balls to do what you're telling me he is doing as mafia, on purpose. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 21 2013 16:00 Toadesstern wrote: I think he is town and he's decent. Short enough? On January 20 2013 15:06 Toadesstern wrote: Sandro >>>>>>Annul/gonzaw/prplhz/chez/Toad >>>>>>>>> everyone else oh i see, so you think the declared candidates in that list (me, gonzaw, chez) are not town? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 21 2013 16:08 annul wrote: oh i see, so you think the declared candidates in that list (me, gonzaw, chez) are not town? I didn't know who five and the wbg smurf were at that point in time... Obviously would have included them as well had I known who they are. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Could we get an update on the votecount somewhere? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
Im very close to handing you my vote for Mayor. Overall I like the vibe I get when reading your filter. I think your approach has been reasonable, I don't agree with everything but that is also to be expected. Before I hand over my vote, I would like to know "Out of the current candidates with a fighting chance, who would be your choice for Sheriff?" (& why) | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
In short: I don't like what I see. Austinmcc really said it all; theres nothing of substance in there. The other concern is that he said he was catching up on the thread 15hrs ago, and hasn't commented since. Stutters695 Who are you voting for mayor; and who do you want the mayor to lynch (i.e top scum read) & why. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On January 21 2013 13:41 gonzaw wrote: Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont. Your some random smurf, regardless, what sandro said was that he would be gone for 15 hours. So you need to fucking read the thread. I want to communicate that I am a good candidate for mayor too. Every post of his has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude. He shows unnecessary aggression at anything at all, from random people posting to people accusing him, to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself. Examples of that are the bolded bits for instance. That kind of aggression comes out of nowhere and is completely unnecessary, and it serves no purpose other than showing everybody you are the "boss" or something. I can't really see town motivation behind that. I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters. Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier. I'm still having trouble reading sandro, now that he came back he seems way too lazy, even for a scum sandro (as I remember from Liar Game).[/QUOTE] First bolded, how is that aggressive? Looks like you are nitpicking on my opening post. Second Bolded, I was reacting to 5touch who was pissing me off. 3rd Bolded, Vivax said that, not me. read the whole post in context so you actually find scum and not town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On January 21 2013 13:41 gonzaw wrote: Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont. Your some random smurf, regardless, what sandro said was that he would be gone for 15 hours. So you need to fucking read the thread. I want to communicate that I am a good candidate for mayor too. Every post of his has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude. He shows unnecessary aggression at anything at all, from random people posting to people accusing him, to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself. Examples of that are the bolded bits for instance. That kind of aggression comes out of nowhere and is completely unnecessary, and it serves no purpose other than showing everybody you are the "boss" or something. I can't really see town motivation behind that. I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters. Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier. I'm still having trouble reading sandro, now that he came back he seems way too lazy, even for a scum sandro (as I remember from Liar Game). First bolded, how is that aggressive? Looks like you are nitpicking on my opening post. Second Bolded, I was reacting to 5touch who was pissing me off. 3rd Bolded, Vivax said that, not me. read the whole post in context so you actually find scum and not town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 21 2013 17:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Who is currently running for mayor other than the retards who want to lynch me? do you have reads in textform or in form of colored names? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
TL;DR: I would prefer to pursue other scum targets, but will accept Oatsmaster for the lynch. I still think people are "cherry picking" his filter to suit their interpretation though. I had to read his filter about 4 times, because each time I kept changing my mind. My problems with Oats is that: (1) He has really turned DOWN the [intentional]aggression. and really turned UP the [emotional] aggressoin. which is odd.. a null tell overall though (but with (2) and (3) gives me concern) (2) Most of his responses are when pressured, and when he does try to pressure the questions are lacking in quality.. having just played a game with Oats as town, I can see a stark contrast (we also MAJORLY butted heads that game) (3) He keeps asking others for scum reads, but is not providing his own. Perhaps its due to the vet factor (i.e. trying to find his place in the scheme of things) I know I am a bit more reserved this game; if this was the case, point (3) would make sense due to lower confidence.. but (2) is still not explained and even (1) to a lesser extent is not explained To me Oatsmaster has not been obviously scummy in his play, but due to his changes in aggression from what I know familiarly of him, I am comfortable with his lynch - on the proviso of no better target. In regards to cherry picking: the items raised for his scumminess is due to him wanting to run for mayor and defending JieXian.. personally I find both tells null. (a)Fuck, I would love to be mayor but I have enough common sense to know I dont have the respect of the majority so don't see a point. perhaps Oats is the same, in fact I suspect he would be in that regard. So for me the tell is null. (b)As for JieXian, I have already said this prior, I took fault with how Vivax approached his 'scum read' pressuring. I am not really sure why Oats copped heat and I didn't. I see this action as null as well, as its easy for scum to break up fights and stick up for others; but also beneficial to town to prevent mislynches etc. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote: EBWOP: Fucked up the formatting. First bolded, how is that aggressive? Looks like you are nitpicking on my opening post. Second Bolded, I was reacting to 5touch who was pissing me off. 3rd Bolded, Vivax said that, not me. read the whole post in context so you actually find scum and not town. Seriously.. your BBCode is more fucked than Axle.. you did the same thing last game. When you quote, you remove the name, and assume people will know who your talking about. Fuck me, the bolded part is under "gonzaw" but YOU ARE ONE who said it.. ffs | ||
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