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On January 21 2013 14:11 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 12:35 annul wrote:
conclusion: vivax is either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia. not pro-town right now in any capacity Anul, I am not well versed in meta of many players but... While alignments change from game to game is it actually plausible to you that: Vivax is: "really unskilled noob at mafia. " and that is the explanation for the posting that i have seen (although i am not sure it the same stuff you are reacting too as you did not say what that was it was left to my imagination...?) I am not sure i believe: that you think that a mafia player doing what Vivax has done is: not pro-town right now in any capacity It (several things I saw and commented on) did generate noise, when scum hunting activity was low. Indeed Oats seems to have misstepped as town in many eyes(inc mine) by interfering with it could you please clarify what you think was "either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia." also I dont understand how you cannot have read on Vivax's mafia skill level that would let you... for yourself distinguish those. it feels like an invitation for me to fall into a false confirmation bias from you presenting a knowingly false dichotomy. I could always be wrong about your skill level though.
i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, except for this part: "could you please clarify what you think was "either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia.""
and for the answer to that part, you should read the post i make directly above my conclusion post.
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Regardless.. to use that as a heuristic I think is weak
(i.e. posting a [pre-made]campaign is indicative of town play)
Now you are using meta to make your judgement. I obviously don't share that experience with you.
From my perspective its an informal fallacy.
Im not saying Vivax is scum; Im saying Toads rational for declaring him openly town to me is weak at best, and contradictory at worst
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On January 21 2013 14:31 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:41 gonzaw wrote:Okay, so apparently Fivetouch is making sense now. I didn't understand him going against Oatmaster out of nowhere because of the "he defended Jiexian" thing, which doesn't make much sense to me, as it is not alignment-indicative. I do have to agree with the things said about Oatmaster though (other than that). On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions? On January 21 2013 08:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Your some random smurf, regardless, what sandro said was that he would be gone for 15 hours. So you need to fucking read the thread.
Vivax
I want to communicate that I am a good candidate for mayor too.
How good do you think your reads are? Isnt it a benefit for mafia if we ended up voting for you and you keep mislynching? Is anyone else that is running that you think is town and has better reads than you?
Every post of his has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude. He shows unnecessary aggression at anything at all, from random people posting to people accusing him, to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself. Examples of that are the bolded bits for instance. That kind of aggression comes out of nowhere and is completely unnecessary, and it serves no purpose other than showing everybody you are the "boss" or something.
I can't really see town motivation behind that.
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters. Quote i really just dont do defending people. So consider this pressure Ok... Exactly how lackadaisical are you in who you Lynch? Have you really read Oats meta... Bite back is what he does I am happy you wouldn't mind lynching him I am sure several people would also not mind, but do you think he is scum? You may not see town motivation... have you yet allowed for how he actually plays. I see grains of truth in what you say... "to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself.", Id have to check but Oats aggression is to my mind usually people focused and conflict motivated. are you not oversaucing the pudding(exaggerating) things a bit?
Oookay, I'll try to see if I get what you mean and answer.
I don't think I'd need to see Oat's meta (other than some tiny bits of what people said previously) to analyze his behavior this game. If you think he's meta means what we are saying about him is wrong, then feel free to state why.
"Bite back is what he does". Yes, maybe that's true, but that's not the point I made.
The point I made was how unnecessary and "out of the blue" his attitude was. You can "bite back" without swearing against mayor candidates and shit every chance you get.
For that to happen, you either need to have a rough night, or like be frustrated at something in the game. Those things didn't happen.
Also it's not just that "gut feeling" regarding his attitude, but yeah, he hasn't done much shit since.
I agree with some that said he was "asking pointless questions" and the like.
I've seen several scum just randomly "pressuring" people here and there just to try and look active. The point is that there should be a consistency in how they "pressure". I.e that "pressure" should be used to try and find scum and kill scum.
It doesn't feel like Oat's posts have that "consistency", just as with other scum in other games.
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Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
I'm still having trouble reading sandro, now that he came back he seems way too lazy, even for a scum sandro (as I remember from Liar Game).
On Sandroba I dont like Lazy.... yeah thats bias.... hmmm but i dont like it. Ok lazy leads to unreadable I dont like constructively unreadable it looks scummy motivated to me. (why because doubt leads to living esp for some players who then use that to reach D2 where uncontested due to the nks they get more and more sway.)
Is that addressed to me or sandro?
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On January 21 2013 14:38 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 14:10 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 14:06 grush57 wrote:On January 21 2013 14:04 annul wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:
Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor?
Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours?
Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills.
Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/b2i56iR.jpg) wifom? I don't know what that picture means. Would be nice to know wether that "wifom?" was directed at me, directed at annul or just an explanation of the picture because I have no idea what it is. yes, i am calling your statement wifom. that picture is from the movie "the princess bride;" specifically, the scene where the phrase "wine in front of me" comes from. youtube it.
A clever man once told me townies end up saying : "I don't think that's a reasonable assumption at all"
Mafias usually say: "That's totally wifom! (although it makes sense it's not confirmed!)"
and it's not comming down to him being too stupid to be mafia like yamato said (although I've got to admit that's part of it) but rather his carefree posting and him not being scared at all, like gonzaw mentioned as well.
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On January 21 2013 14:40 Mocsta wrote:
Regardless.. to use that as a heuristic I think is weak
(i.e. posting a [pre-made]campaign is indicative of town play)
Now you are using meta to make your judgement. I obviously don't share that experience with you.
From my perspective its an informal fallacy.
Im not saying Vivax is scum; Im saying Toads rational for declaring him openly town to me is weak at best, and contradictory at worst
How am I using meta? Well, rather than meta I'm using reputation and experience. It doesn't feel like something a scum Vivax would do, mostly because his name is "Vivax" and not "Palmar" or "wherebugsgo", or even "Risen" or "kush", etc (you get what I mean).
So Mocsta, you think these "heuristics" used to see if Vivax is town are useless? How do you plan on reading Vivax?
If you "read" him as scum (like yamato does) because of Vivax doing some "bad" plays or something, how do you know he can't do the same as town?
Are you opposing this just so Vivax doesn't get the sheriff role, or just because people seem to think Vivax is town and you don't want them to (that easily)?
I like to use that kind of heuristics with those types of players, because they are usually right.
Of course if you put a wbg or Radfield in front of me they are kind of meaningless (as I painfully learned in the past  )
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Hey Toad, now that you are here, what do you finally conclude about sandro?
I remember you saying you'd need him to post more and appear and stuff. Well I doubt sandro will do much more than what he did already this day, so what do you make of it?
The only game I think I remember him not doing "that much" as town or being lazy was Bureaucracy (I think he was there, was he?), although not this extreme.
I'm wary of him being scum though, because it doesn't feel like his Liar Game play, although if I suspect he is what he is, then that's irrelevant and null.
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On January 21 2013 11:18 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Um, /confirm. Sorry I was out of the house yesterday, reading up.
If you can post your thoughts at anytime BKE it'd be nice.
What the hell is up with all these people promising reads/posts and going AFK? :/
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##Vote: gonzaw
Just to make it known my candidacy is still standing.
We still have time until the deadline, but I'm not really fond of so many people not having voted yet.
It increases the chances of a last-minute mayor choice, which could be anyone, even someone like Chezinu depending on the circumstances.
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And with that I'm out, already 4 am :/
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On January 21 2013 14:56 gonzaw wrote:
Hey Toad, now that you are here, what do you finally conclude about sandro?
I remember you saying you'd need him to post more and appear and stuff. Well I doubt sandro will do much more than what he did already this day, so what do you make of it?
The only game I think I remember him not doing "that much" as town or being lazy was Bureaucracy (I think he was there, was he?), although not this extreme.
I'm wary of him being scum though, because it doesn't feel like his Liar Game play, although if I suspect he is what he is, then that's irrelevant and null.
I'd say he's fine right now. Not anywhere clear at all but he makes sense, he's lazy and he isn't posting an awful lot. No reason to be scared imo.
Also I believe his story / reasoning for not wanting to run for mayor right now.
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On January 21 2013 14:46 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 14:38 annul wrote:On January 21 2013 14:10 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 14:06 grush57 wrote:On January 21 2013 14:04 annul wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:
Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor?
Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours?
Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills.
Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia?
wifom? I don't know what that picture means. Would be nice to know wether that "wifom?" was directed at me, directed at annul or just an explanation of the picture because I have no idea what it is. yes, i am calling your statement wifom. that picture is from the movie "the princess bride;" specifically, the scene where the phrase "wine in front of me" comes from. youtube it. A clever man once told me townies end up saying : "I don't think that's a reasonable assumption at all"Mafias usually say: "That's totally wifom! (although it makes sense it's not confirmed!)"and it's not comming down to him being too stupid to be mafia like yamato said (although I've got to admit that's part of it) but rather his carefree posting and him not being scared at all, like gonzaw mentioned as well.
a clever man once told me "do not use wifom arguments in mafia games" but alas
i am not talking about people "being too stupid" or whatever, i am referring specifically to your comments saying basically "do you really think a mafia would do something like that?" which is literally textbook wifom
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My top scumread - Djo
I have a meta read on Djo that indicates he is scum. I will release that read if the mayor is going to consider lynching him seriously. If not, I will wait to day 2 to see if the read holds up.
There is one post that I believe indicated Djo is scum. And that is here
On January 21 2013 12:43 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On January 21 2013 12:18 Djodref wrote:But I think we should privilege a player looking obviously town than a good player for sheriff. Hence my candidature  Noted that you followed up on Clarity not once, but twice. Please indulge your scum read/lynch candidate if you were instated. I would like to see some detailed insight too pls. As stated before, I would like to lynch Clarity. Because he is running for mayor, but has failed to provide any post with content so far, and that really doesn't look like town Clarity. Also, I could lynch debears for not spamming the thread as usual when he is town.Regarding Oats, I agree with the scumread on him by other players. Some things tipped me off in his filter. Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions? Let's take a look at his opening post. He announces that he is not going to run, but asks if anyone has questions for him. Why would he think that people would interrogate him about his opening post ? It could be self-guiltiness here. Also his posts are lacking of content. For example, his call to the lurkers is quite useless. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Got sniped by yamato, URGH.
Grush,
Mkfuba,
Jiexian
Annul.
Where did you guys go??
Especially Annul. Pops in, posts random shit and fucks off.
I also don't like his reaction when Toad said he could be a good lynch. I'm expecting town Oats to be more aggressive, but his reaction here is quite passive. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 12:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Toad
Reasoning for lynching me
Oats looks like a decent lynch
uhuh. Besides that post, you havent mentioned scum at all.
We just got out of a big game where I did not spam d1 at all. How did Djo forget so easily?
This isn't reasoning I see town djo using at all.
The remaining parts that I'm not releasing yet should be pretty good also
My read on Yamato:
I rescind what I said earlier on him. His game so far seems to be agreeing with his townie tendencies.
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On January 21 2013 15:12 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 14:46 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 14:38 annul wrote:On January 21 2013 14:10 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 14:06 grush57 wrote:On January 21 2013 14:04 annul wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:
Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor?
Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours?
Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills.
Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia?
wifom? I don't know what that picture means. Would be nice to know wether that "wifom?" was directed at me, directed at annul or just an explanation of the picture because I have no idea what it is. yes, i am calling your statement wifom. that picture is from the movie "the princess bride;" specifically, the scene where the phrase "wine in front of me" comes from. youtube it. A clever man once told me townies end up saying : "I don't think that's a reasonable assumption at all"Mafias usually say: "That's totally wifom! (although it makes sense it's not confirmed!)"and it's not comming down to him being too stupid to be mafia like yamato said (although I've got to admit that's part of it) but rather his carefree posting and him not being scared at all, like gonzaw mentioned as well. a clever man once told me "do not use wifom arguments in mafia games" but alas i am not talking about people "being too stupid" or whatever, i am referring specifically to your comments saying basically "do you really think a mafia would do something like that?" which is literally textbook wifom
there is nothing in a game of mafia that is not wifom until you see a flip. Every argument you can and will make comes down to making a call on what is the most likely scenario and about wether your call on that question is reasonable or not.
If you think he's mafia fine with me. I don't right now. Not saying he's anywhere like a clear townie either and people should keep an eye on him because it could be he's got a smart mafia on his team (that would be someone like WBG or myself imo :p) telling him to do exactly that but unless that's the case I take my explanation as the more likely scenario.
Especially knowing I'm town myself. Especially knowing pretty much everyone besides Yamato and you agrees with me on the matter.
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On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats.
This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost.
His mayoral election run is a null tell
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On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell
But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet.
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On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet.
Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town.
As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads
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I'd be willing to lynch Toad at this point. His posting vibes are way off from his previous town games that I've played with him in
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On January 21 2013 15:37 debears wrote:
I'd be willing to lynch Toad at this point. His posting vibes are way off from his previous town games that I've played with him in
last time you tried to lynch me while everyone was disagreeing you got lynched as SK, just saying.
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On January 21 2013 14:39 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 14:11 AxleGreaser wrote:On January 21 2013 12:35 annul wrote:
conclusion: vivax is either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia. not pro-town right now in any capacity Anul, I am not well versed in meta of many players but... While alignments change from game to game is it actually plausible to you that: Vivax is: "really unskilled noob at mafia. " and that is the explanation for the posting that i have seen (although i am not sure it the same stuff you are reacting too as you did not say what that was it was left to my imagination...?) I am not sure i believe: that you think that a mafia player doing what Vivax has done is: not pro-town right now in any capacity It (several things I saw and commented on) did generate noise, when scum hunting activity was low. Indeed Oats seems to have misstepped as town in many eyes(inc mine) by interfering with it could you please clarify what you think was "either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia." also I dont understand how you cannot have read on Vivax's mafia skill level that would let you... for yourself distinguish those. it feels like an invitation for me to fall into a false confirmation bias from you presenting a knowingly false dichotomy. I could always be wrong about your skill level though. i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, except for this part: "could you please clarify what you think was "either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia."" and for the answer to that part, you should read the post i make directly above my conclusion post.
Anul considering Vivaxs meta do you believe it is a truthful possibility that Vivax is "really unskilled noob at mafia."
if that not the case why do you present it as an emotionally inflammatory alternative.
Your other option is "vivax is either bright red"
Is this is a false dichotomy, are they really in your eyes the only two options?
You also say "not pro-town right now in any capacity" This Presume goes with "really unskilled noob at mafia." as you appear to be saying the only way for player to be so not pro-town is to be a really unskilled noob.
If that is not false dichotomy, would you please explain how you regard so many players who flipped town in LVIII who were not
"really unskilled noob at mafia." to appear "not pro-town right now in any capacity" in hindsight.
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Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?
Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me
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