EPTOh well nevermind.
Speaking of which Mocsta, what do you think of Stutters and Clarity? I don't remember you mentioning them in your filter.
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Oh well nevermind. Speaking of which Mocsta, what do you think of Stutters and Clarity? I don't remember you mentioning them in your filter. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote: Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/b2i56iR.jpg) | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I really consider it very unlikely to have enough people willing to give me DT-protection (not that I need it but that's what people are afraid of) to make it myself. It might be an incredibly good idea to make me sheriff though... You're not a stupid boy, you know what's going on, right? :p | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
wifom? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 21 2013 14:03 grush57 wrote: Mocsta would you rather lynch someone who is acting scummy or someone who posted "fluff". People are discussing lynching me and if no one was scummy then I would definitely get lynched. I just hate day1 Preferably someone fluent in both. I dont think its black and white. Playing scummy can fluff. E.g kush playing scummy can not be fluff etc etc and the only one raising your name to the bar is me. Dont know why u think ur up for contention. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On January 21 2013 14:05 Toadesstern wrote: gonzaw would you be supporting five + vivax as a mayor + sheriff team? I really consider it very unlikely to have enough people willing to give me DT-protection (not that I need it but that's what people are afraid of) to make it myself. It might be an incredibly good idea to make me sheriff though... You're not a stupid boy, you know what's going on, right? :p This post made me realize something. Vivax isn't even campaigning anymore, you're doing it for him because of how bad of a job he did. Lolol. If either of you flip scum at some point in this game I fucking called it. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I don't know what that picture means. Would be nice to know wether that "wifom?" was directed at me, directed at annul or just an explanation of the picture because I have no idea what it is. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 21 2013 12:35 annul wrote: conclusion: vivax is either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia. not pro-town right now in any capacity Anul, I am not well versed in meta of many players but... While alignments change from game to game is it actually plausible to you that: Vivax is: "really unskilled noob at mafia. " and that is the explanation for the posting that i have seen (although i am not sure it the same stuff you are reacting too as you did not say what that was it was left to my imagination...?) I am not sure i believe: that you think that a mafia player doing what Vivax has done is: not pro-town right now in any capacity It (several things I saw and commented on) did generate noise, when scum hunting activity was low. Indeed Oats seems to have misstepped as town in many eyes(inc mine) by interfering with it could you please clarify what you think was "either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia." also I dont understand how you cannot have read on Vivax's mafia skill level that would let you... for yourself distinguish those. it feels like an invitation for me to fall into a false confirmation bias from you presenting a knowingly false dichotomy. I could always be wrong about your skill level though. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 21 2013 14:03 gonzaw wrote: EBWOP: Oh well nevermind. Speaking of which Mocsta, what do you think of Stutters and Clarity? I don't remember you mentioning them in your filter. Thats because i didnt. When reading the filters was pretty empty. Perhaps thats a sign. Will re read when i get home and share maybe 6hrs time | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 21 2013 14:05 Toadesstern wrote: gonzaw would you be supporting five + vivax as a mayor + sheriff team? I really consider it very unlikely to have enough people willing to give me DT-protection (not that I need it but that's what people are afraid of) to make it myself. It might be an incredibly good idea to make me sheriff though... You're not a stupid boy, you know what's going on, right? :p Why did you think Vivax should be mayor/sheriff again? Just because he's likely town? Like I said I'm not that sure of Five being town yet, don't really want to blindly say "yeah dude be mayor and have this dt protection and BGs" yet. If it comes down to it though, I wouldn't complain. If vivax or five are scum it'd be quite a bummer, but right now it seems like it's not the case, and not letting scum get those positions of power is good as well. ...also damn toad you are paranoid as fuck lol. I don't remember a single person in this game saying they aren't willing to give you DT-protection >_> You also know I don't need a DT check to catch you as scum, so don't worry about that  | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Although if Five should be mayor, I don't mind his lynch candidates at all, at least Oats ahead of prplhz. Don't remember what other's he mentioned though | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 21 2013 14:13 gonzaw wrote: Why did you think Vivax should be mayor/sheriff again? Just because he's likely town? Like I said I'm not that sure of Five being town yet, don't really want to blindly say "yeah dude be mayor and have this dt protection and BGs" yet. If it comes down to it though, I wouldn't complain. If vivax or five are scum it'd be quite a bummer, but right now it seems like it's not the case, and not letting scum get those positions of power is good as well. ...also damn toad you are paranoid as fuck lol. I don't remember a single person in this game saying they aren't willing to give you DT-protection >_> You also know I don't need a DT check to catch you as scum, so don't worry about that Reasoning for vivax comes down to this: On January 21 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote: what do you guys think about making sure some idiot we all know to be town ends up being sheriff? I really don't think we should have people like Bugs, Chez or gonzaw sitting on a sheriff role, being unable to be DT-checked by anyone. Most people feel probably the same way about me, so if you're not having access to my TL-PMs you might want to add me to that list as well. I don't think the sheriff powers are that great, besides having bodyguards. Sure, 3-time Jailer but it's something even a noob should be capable to do. Just tell him to not offensively jail and we're good. That is reasoning for why someone like vivax, not why vivax in particular of course. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 21 2013 13:52 gonzaw wrote: Djoref, what do you think of Stutters? I didn't really notice you mentioning him that much. Also, do you think Clarity has more chances of flipping scum than Oats or Stutters or maybe even sandro, etc? @ gonzaw I know Clarity better than Stuttters. And I know that Clarity is usually quite active, even during week-ends. In Stutters case, I remember being not so active in my first newbie game. Also Clarity ran for mayor, so he would have like to get more involved if he was town I guess. Honestly, I think that Oats has the more chances to flip scum among these 3. I cannot be sure about Stutters or Clarity because they don't post, and they could have legit reasons for it. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
toad gave reasons for vivax being town. I thought they were subjectve as fuck. From memory the stand out reasoning was howw he could post his campaign and be active in qt if scum there is no fcuking way vivax typed that first post afyer the game started.. It was premade and in no way is indicative of alignment. If toads disagrees wit this then his reads overall should be put into question. Btw with a premade case...it might make sense to take a breather if u rolled scum and needed to plan. But.. Why listen to me. Im not a vet and so to toad my opinion doesnt matter | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 21 2013 14:19 Toadesstern wrote: Reasoning for vivax comes down to this: That is reasoning for why someone like vivax, not why vivax in particular of course. That seems to make sense in paper. One thing I can think of against it is: It seems kind of hard to plan. The sherif is the guy with the 2nd highest amount of votes. This means that people have to singly vote for that guy, while other people singly vote for the mayor. Unless everybody thinks exactly like you do, you can't rally half+1 of people to vote someone and half-1 people to vote Vivax (or some other guy). Other than that, I think I'd have to think a little bit more about it. I prefer my judgement over Five's for being mayor, and of course having +2 votes each day. I don't know how he'll be using those votes later I didn't really think about the sheriff role, other than if I don't get mayor, well being sheriff wouldn't be bad, I would still get protection (1 or 2 BGs though? I didn't fully understand that part of the OP). Don't really know what it means to others having the sheriff role on purpose (rather than being just failed mayor candidates  ).I also think the choice of people could be better. Vivax seems to be likely town, but: -I am not 100% sure of that -Even if he is, I don't know if him being sheriff would benefit town. -Of course, based on those above, I'm not 100% him being sheriff would benefit the town. Of course the same with the mayor choice. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 21 2013 13:41 gonzaw wrote: Okay, so apparently Fivetouch is making sense now. I didn't understand him going against Oatmaster out of nowhere because of the "he defended Jiexian" thing, which doesn't make much sense to me, as it is not alignment-indicative. I do have to agree with the things said about Oatmaster though (other than that). Every post of his has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude. He shows unnecessary aggression at anything at all, from random people posting to people accusing him, to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself. Examples of that are the bolded bits for instance. That kind of aggression comes out of nowhere and is completely unnecessary, and it serves no purpose other than showing everybody you are the "boss" or something. I can't really see town motivation behind that. I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters. Quote i really just dont do defending people. So consider this pressure Ok... Exactly how lackadaisical are you in who you Lynch? Have you really read Oats meta... Bite back is what he does I am happy you wouldn't mind lynching him I am sure several people would also not mind, but do you think he is scum? You may not see town motivation... have you yet allowed for how he actually plays. I see grains of truth in what you say... "to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself.", Id have to check but Oats aggression is to my mind usually people focused and conflict motivated. are you not oversaucing the pudding(exaggerating) things a bit? Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier. I'm still having trouble reading sandro, now that he came back he seems way too lazy, even for a scum sandro (as I remember from Liar Game). On Sandroba I dont like Lazy.... yeah thats bias.... hmmm but i dont like it. Ok lazy leads to unreadable I dont like constructively unreadable it looks scummy motivated to me. (why because doubt leads to living esp for some players who then use that to reach D2 where uncontested due to the nks they get more and more sway.) | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 21 2013 14:10 Toadesstern wrote: I don't know what that picture means. Would be nice to know wether that "wifom?" was directed at me, directed at annul or just an explanation of the picture because I have no idea what it is. would still like to have an explanation on that one. I don't know where that pic is from and that "wifom?" post from grush is weird to say the least, either way lol | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 21 2013 14:26 Mocsta wrote: @gonsaw toad gave reasons for vivax being town. I thought they were subjectve as fuck. From memory the stand out reasoning was howw he could post his campaign and be active in qt if scum there is no fcuking way vivax typed that first post afyer the game started.. It was premade and in no way is indicative of alignment. If toads disagrees wit this then his reads overall should be put into question. Btw with a premade case...it might make sense to take a breather if u rolled scum and needed to plan. But.. Why listen to me. Im not a vet and so to toad my opinion doesnt matter Well, I had my "campaign" post premade as well + Show Spoiler + Well, actually I had another one premade, but before the game started I lost it so I had to make it again when the game started I didn't mention anything about trying to become mayor (and that I had a campaign already made) in pre-game, you know....in case I got scum and wouldn't run for mayor I have a feeling Vivax may have done something similar. There's this gut feeling that tells me scum Vivax wouldn't instantly post that campaign post as soon as the game started if he saw his "You are scum!" Pm in his inbox, and maybe likely wouldn't even post it at all (and just trash it). It's speculation based on what I would think scum Vivax would do, which may not be much but it doesn't mean what Toad said is "completely bullshit". | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 21 2013 14:10 Toadesstern wrote: I don't know what that picture means. Would be nice to know wether that "wifom?" was directed at me, directed at annul or just an explanation of the picture because I have no idea what it is. yes, i am calling your statement wifom. that picture is from the movie "the princess bride;" specifically, the scene where the phrase "wine in front of me" comes from. youtube it. | ||
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