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On January 21 2013 23:06 Vivax wrote:@ YamatoThen I assume, since me and Toad are probably not going to get lynched today, that you will vote for the candidate that lynches Djo? @ Oatsmaster
Would you support me/Toad/Sandro as elected role? If FT stops wanting to lynch you, will you support him? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ After looking at his meta, I support a prplhz lynch as well. I especially looked at his town meta: Looney lynching - town→ More outspoken, more active, doesn't act as much as like he's not giving fuck as he does in this game. Rockband Mini - town→ Shares reads very early, opposes random lynching (here he asks for Chez lynch immediately). Doesn't act like he doesn't give a fuck (as here). Significantly becomes more active when his mislynch is gaining steam. He posts a lot with not much time difference between the posts.
The mayoral spot is fine going to Five.
I would much rather have the sheriff be me.
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Well Vivax, I thought you withdrew because you voted for 5touch? Regardless, who are you gonna lynch?
I dont have a town read on Toad so no, he spams with not a lot of content.
Sandro's lack of activity means that I dont have enough stuff to read him.
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@ Yamato
Well, I'm counting on you to vote FT then. I fear your chances of getting a seat are worse than mine though. Aren't you aware of that?
@ Oats
I have quite a few people I would lynch. But I don't think calling them all out would be beneficial to my cause. Bad timing, and it would be pointless without the mayors' seat in prospect.
You didn't answer by the way. Would you vote FT if he didn't want to lynch you?
Or, to ask it differently: Why aren't you convinced by the prplhz matter? It doesn't seem to interest you. You say FT looks so townish, but you aren't interested into his current scumread?
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Fivetouch.
If my vote went your way... Will u lynch jimi hendrix over oats?
Are u concerned that mr.brown bear could be sheriff and has barely inputted to the thread?
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I agree with the Prplhz stuff, in terms of the difference in meta. HOWEVER, I dont see his actions to be objectively scummy yet. 5 touch has expressed interest in lynching me as opposed to prplhz at this point of time.
On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok on to FiveTouch,
He is leaking town through his pores, but I dont want to vote for him because day 1 lynch will be a mislynch. Me. However, if he changes his target, I would think about voting for him based on his reads.
Must of skipped over this Vivax huh.
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Hello guys I'm back !
I'm thinking that FiveTouch is going to get elected as mayor today. I don't see strong contenders for the seat.
Prplhz didn't do anything to redeem himself in my view, so I'm fine with his lynch now.
I'm concerned with the Sheriff position. I'm not comfortable with Chezinu getting it, because I would prefer him not to be immune to detection. I'm disappointed that nobody took my sheriff candidature seriously, and I'm going to vote austin to promote him as a sheriff. I'll switch my vote to FiveTouch if I need to.
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@ debears
Why didn't you post your meta case yet ?
And you were more active last game, at least at the beginning of it. It's true it was not a spam-fest in LVIII, but you should understand that your low activity is concerning.
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On January 21 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote:I agree with the Prplhz stuff, in terms of the difference in meta. HOWEVER, I dont see his actions to be objectively scummy yet. 5 touch has expressed interest in lynching me as opposed to prplhz at this point of time. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok on to FiveTouch,
He is leaking town through his pores, but I dont want to vote for him because day 1 lynch will be a mislynch. Me. However, if he changes his target, I would think about voting for him based on his reads.
Must of skipped over this Vivax huh.
No I saw it. I just want you to stick to a decision. Looks to me like you're trying to keep a back-door open.
I would think about voting him
Who else would you vote besides him?
What do you mean by "objectively scummy"? Isn't his big difference in play objectively scummy? Announcing a candidacy by just wanting to kill Chez? Being so inactive?
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On January 21 2013 22:46 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 22:28 prplhz wrote:
bah fivetouch i say dumb shit in the beginning of a ton of games, might do it in scum games too but what do you want me to say to that? if i post within the first few posts i usually say something very radical in one way or the other i think, i do it to start discussion (works better than just saying "hey guys get talking", providing something to talk about). while i dislike chezinu policy lynches, he was the best lynch at the time, don't you agree? i thought it would polarize people and spur discussion. it kinda did but not really in the way i had hoped that it would. if you think i'm "angry" or whatever i don't know about that. i'm actually in a pretty decent mood. i don't see what my mood has to do with my aligment though.
as for oats he could be scum but it seems kinda dumb for him to go for gonzaw.
@gonzaw who are you lynching when you become mayor? How do you reconcile your attitude here with your attitude in this game, when you were town? Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 07:35 prplhz wrote:
okay so everybody joined and then they outed again :/
anyway millers need to claim as soon as possible. if anybody has something else to claim then that's fine too.
also, can we please only say things that we mean this game? i'm sick and tired of people making bullshit cases for dumb and scum to jump on just because they felt it was a good way to get the game started. it's perfectly possible (and in my opinion desirable) to play the game without saying dumb shit you don't really think for the lulz of it. this is kind of like lynch all liars except it doesn't have a fancy name (yet). In the first quote you say you often say radical/dumb things to get the game started. In the second you are heavily attacking this notion.
lynching chezinu isn't a bullshit bad case. you're right that i don't generally support policy lynches and i don't support a chezinu policy lynch under normal circumstances either but when you have nothing to go by (2-3 posts into the game) a chezinu lynch is absolutely the best idea (maybe not a good idea but it's absolutely the best idea). the bullshit case i am referring to in the second quote was from a game when some dude made a huge textwall on me 2 pages into the game, everybody jumped on it, i ended up lynched, then in the qt he told me "lol, i never actually thought you were scum i just made the case to get the game started". that's the bullshit i was talking about and i'm not doing anything comparable to that here.
i have no idea about this "attitude" thing so i'm not going to comment on it at all.
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Objectively scummy means that without reference to meta, lets say its his first game, how is wanting to policy lynch Chez inherently scummy?
Well if 5touch wants to lynch someone that isnt me but someone I think is town, I will not vote for him. If he wants to lynch someone I think is scum, I would probably vote for him IF nothing changes. Mafia is a changing game and you gotta adapt.
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On January 21 2013 23:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Objectively scummy means that without reference to meta, lets say its his first game, how is wanting to policy lynch Chez inherently scummy?
Well if 5touch wants to lynch someone that isnt me but someone I think is town, I will not vote for him. If he wants to lynch someone I think is scum, I would probably vote for him IF nothing changes. Mafia is a changing game and you gotta adapt.
You needed some time to think about that answer eh? So you think using meta is subjective?
I take that your current scumread is gonzaw? Anyone else?
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okay i don't want to lynch oatsmaster anyway
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You needed some time to think about that answer eh?
Get out. I dont have to answer to you what im doing at all times.
I think that using meta clinches a case but using meta solely isnt a good reason cause players change the way they play.
Stop nitpicking.
Gonzaw is a light shade of red, I think that scum need to have someone to control the mayoral elections or at least participate and I dont think that 5 touch is scum so by virtue of association and optimal play, I think gonzaw would flip red.
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On January 21 2013 23:11 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 23:04 AxleGreaser wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 22:14 FiveTouch wrote:yamato, you need to listen to what I have to say without being defensive. From the manner of your posting, and your difficulties as scum last game, I consider it likely you are town this game. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 21:24 yamato77 wrote:
I'm torn on this game at the moment.
On one hand, I think I am confirming my own bias when it comes to Toad's play this game.
On the other, he keeps doing shit I want to call him scum for.
I would really rather see him just die so I can begin to understand this game a bit better. It's good, at least, that you recognise your own confirmation bias with regards to Toad. Mostly your issues with Toad's play come down to the fact that you don't agree with plenty of things he has said, and you heavily dislike his delivery, which you see as condescending or antagonistic. These are not good reasons to think somebody is mafia. So take a step back and reassess; in LVIII you tunneled an active player constantly, right up to the moment he flipped town. This is not a game of veterans vs newer players. It's town vs mafia. If the veterans are not communicating effectively, then they/we need to work on that, but in a similar vein, the newer players need to listen to what we have to say, because we have a lot of experience. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote:
I'd be most willing to give WBG a pass because I know him quite well by now and I don't think it's alignment indicative that he wants to lynch people I would call Lynchbait.
I would say it is for Sandroba, and this Fivetouch character who apparently wants to be taken seriously. This post (and similar ones you have made) demonstrate a faulty, destructive mindset. You were in the last game where mafia lurked and twiddled their thumbs while watching town burn themselves to the ground. But you are pushing the idea that lurkers are "lynch-bait", which is effectively a statement of intent that you will protect lurkers on this basis, and go after more 'active' players. So it's a direct encouragement to lurk for mafia. Incidentally Mocsta looks better to me now for picking up on this himself. The case on prplhz is not merely that he's lurking (else we could apply this to various others). The case is that he entered the thread pushing a policy idea he's said he hates as town, the case is that he came in trolling which he only does as mafia and not as town, the case is that he's posting little and not encouraging others to post like he does as town, the case is that his only major post yesterday was ranting at bugs and not caring about town or the mayor, or a lynch. His attitude so far is mafia-oriented, and this is backed up by his history. Further, you seem to agree with my Oats read. What exactly is the problem we're having? So the case on prplhz is due to his meta. What a shame you don't have any on purpose. With a mayoral position up for grabs with its extra defenses why cant we as town have some meta so we can be fully informed of your towniness by comparing you to your meta. I don't like being paranoid but it is the game, even if you supposedly out yourself now is there some actual code of conduct here that says your not allowed to lie? So no you are a nameless, meta less, purposefully information limiting, smurf forever to me, as is DearestSnot. General guide to mafia states "Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence", guess that pregame, you hoped you would roll scum and bet the farm on it, how is that working out so far. Actually from the sheep you have it tow pretty darn good. So yeah maybe you have the experience edge on what other people will take. Instead of complaining that I'm a smurf, why don't you assess the merits of what I've said instead? For example, the post I just made on prplhz. Do you see and understand the contradiction? Do you find it valid, and if not why not? I have been explicitly clear on the players I want to lynch, and the reasons. prplhz has been absent and doesn't appear to care, and there are clear contradictions in his town play and play this game which I've pointed out.
FiveTouch: For example, the post I just made on prplhz. Do you see and understand the contradiction? Do you find it valid, and if not why not?
First your the mayoral candidate and more fundamentally even as just player it is your scum hunt pressure play etc, as a broad policy, I do try to stay out of those unless they smell like railroading then I might hunt the hunter bit to be sure or throw water on it if it looks like dogs humping through real misunderstanding. (that is a tad allegorical holler if they pass you by)
Are you asking would I vote to Lynch based on that?
As it is getting late in the day and definitely time for some real hunting.
Well that a little simplistic so far, so let me set it up. Then lets assume, a D1 like this, with the other options largely Lurker Lynches with hardly any case at all. Then yep that is probably good to go its better than nothing. I haven't followed the case too hard but its based largely on single silly post... dont they happen?
Even if the person has a stated policy against it are they actually rigid to that? or is that Lynching him for being bad and not playing like he says he does? I dont know but its question, do you have the answer to it?
BUT having just experienced selective quote mining with oats, Id want to check just how many lesson prplHz has ,learned since then. TBMK Most good players throw down dumb shit to get things going. Oats a veritable newbie did bad stuff in XXXI maybe but his first throw down vote was fine. Aqua threw down votes to get discussions going. Hell i am surprised prplHz does have policy to throw down stupid shit but only in a certain time frame.
If it is change in actual behavior, not just deviation from stated policy then yep its evidence I like corroboration but it is a D1 Lynch so, with nothing better no worries.
FiveTouch: Instead of complaining that I'm a smurf, why don't you assess the merits of what I've said instead?
Ok I will , I just did on the topic of the Lynch. I was pursuing my own agenda work out who I want as mayor because all the mayors seem pretty set on lynching whoever they Like.
Ok assessing what you have Said on that: You say "My name is FiveTouch". Now at the end of D1 is the first explicit statement i remember that you are even a smurf. yeah it is bleeding obvious from your demeanor language and confidence etc. My other analysis of the problems with electing smurfs as mayor stands unanswered and unchallenged by you.
Instead of distracting from that point onto one comfortable to you why not address it?
I also think about what you didn't say as i find that more informative about people.
Actually thats a bit loose I look at what shiny things you distracted me from with your shiny things, then I wonder why doesn't he want me to think about how smurfs and mayor interact in the end game?
hey i am paranoid.
Any more issues you think I should consider in preference to the ones i consider important?
Any reasons you think my issues are not relevant to todays issues one of which is elect mayor who we will continue to be able to know is not scum as they are readable open and have meta for us to consider.
BTW you do get points for listening and changing and becoming explanatory. Well unless of course I imagined that concession.
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Hell i am surprised prplHz does not have policy to throw down stupid shit but only in a certain time frame.
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i find it funny that my analyses and accusations have gone completely ignored
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On January 21 2013 23:33 Djodref wrote:
Hello guys I'm back !
I'm thinking that FiveTouch is going to get elected as mayor today. I don't see strong contenders for the seat.
Prplhz didn't do anything to redeem himself in my view, so I'm fine with his lynch now.
I'm concerned with the Sheriff position. I'm not comfortable with Chezinu getting it, because I would prefer him not to be immune to detection. I'm disappointed that nobody took my sheriff candidature seriously, and I'm going to vote austin to promote him as a sheriff. I'll switch my vote to FiveTouch if I need to.
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@ debears
Why didn't you post your meta case yet ?
And you were more active last game, at least at the beginning of it. It's true it was not a spam-fest in LVIII, but you should understand that your low activity is concerning.
On January 12 2013 06:54 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 06:19 Djodref wrote:On January 12 2013 05:57 debears wrote:
Also thrawn I thought u were scum at the end. I was gonna do a write up at day
Mu final scumteam was vivax, foolish, djo, thrawn, hiro/laser
I checked laser n2 amd sentinel n3
Thrawn your defense of me seemed way too fake considering thw rest of the thread wouldnt bother listening to me. Especially when you said you thought that I was that arrogant. I don't think you would have any pull to lynch us though  I'm surprised that you were a cop ! What happened to you this game ? Also, fun fact, but the host killed as many people as the mafia did this game ^^ Also I wanted to claim Tommy the Fireman the Vanilla Townie, but you guys didn't lynch me >.< @ VEDon't worry, I'll keep on playing, there is just not any game on-going at the moment. Also, I like you since you replaced HiroPro in the Looney Game, I just couldn't say it in this game After all, I wanted to lynch you in Hero when you were deliberately derping tunneling Clarity, because I know town VE couldn't be this dumb. 1) i was purposely keeping away from leading town so I wouldnt get nked. 2) I didn't have time
3) theres no reason for me to spam like I do in minis due to the amount of players4) there was very little effort and reason I'm the thread Unfortunately I didn't know we would lose after only 2 mislynches in a 30 player game. And then when a scum made a terrible case taking my quotes out of context the mafia had too much control of the thread for me to overturn them But hey, guess I just need to get myself nked n1 from now on by playing better
I really do not think you are town djo
1) I said I would not reveal a meta case until you were a serious candidate for lynch. In other words, if a mayor has no good candidates, then I would reveal it. However, I like 5touch's lynch targets for now.
2) I highly doubt you didn't see this response to your quote from LVIII
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Btw
5touch for mayor
Gonzaw for sheriff
Nuff said
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On January 22 2013 00:11 annul wrote:
i find it funny that my analyses and accusations have gone completely ignored
That's cause they suck and everyone knows it .
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
I currently favour a prplhz lynch over an Oatsmaster lynch. If prplhz is still my strongest read by lynch time, I will lynch him. If someone else becomes my strongest read, I will lynch them and tell town why. I'm not going to be constrained by who town wants me to lynch. Either you trust my reads, methedology, and contributions, or you don't.
In any case, prplhz is only defending himself with bad arguments:
On January 21 2013 23:42 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 22:46 FiveTouch wrote:On January 21 2013 22:28 prplhz wrote:
bah fivetouch i say dumb shit in the beginning of a ton of games, might do it in scum games too but what do you want me to say to that? if i post within the first few posts i usually say something very radical in one way or the other i think, i do it to start discussion (works better than just saying "hey guys get talking", providing something to talk about). while i dislike chezinu policy lynches, he was the best lynch at the time, don't you agree? i thought it would polarize people and spur discussion. it kinda did but not really in the way i had hoped that it would. if you think i'm "angry" or whatever i don't know about that. i'm actually in a pretty decent mood. i don't see what my mood has to do with my aligment though.
as for oats he could be scum but it seems kinda dumb for him to go for gonzaw.
@gonzaw who are you lynching when you become mayor? How do you reconcile your attitude here with your attitude in this game, when you were town? On November 01 2012 07:35 prplhz wrote:
okay so everybody joined and then they outed again :/
anyway millers need to claim as soon as possible. if anybody has something else to claim then that's fine too.
also, can we please only say things that we mean this game? i'm sick and tired of people making bullshit cases for dumb and scum to jump on just because they felt it was a good way to get the game started. it's perfectly possible (and in my opinion desirable) to play the game without saying dumb shit you don't really think for the lulz of it. this is kind of like lynch all liars except it doesn't have a fancy name (yet). In the first quote you say you often say radical/dumb things to get the game started. In the second you are heavily attacking this notion. lynching chezinu isn't a bullshit bad case. you're right that i don't generally support policy lynches and i don't support a chezinu policy lynch under normal circumstances either but when you have nothing to go by (2-3 posts into the game) a chezinu lynch is absolutely the best idea (maybe not a good idea but it's absolutely the best idea). the bullshit case i am referring to in the second quote was from a game when some dude made a huge textwall on me 2 pages into the game, everybody jumped on it, i ended up lynched, then in the qt he told me "lol, i never actually thought you were scum i just made the case to get the game started". that's the bullshit i was talking about and i'm not doing anything comparable to that here. i have no idea about this "attitude" thing so i'm not going to comment on it at all.
By the time prplhz posted, Vivax had made his candidate speech, and indeed prplhz commented on it. So why the need to also run for mayor on a policy lynch, which he said was "non-negotiable". If he genuinely means it's non-negotiable, then the fact there has been little to go on so far is irrelevant, otherwise it's a trolly lie, and also in accordance with how he tends to enter his games as scum (I showed the thread several of his mafia entrances earlier).
prplhz, can you provide me a town game where you started in a similar fashion to this?
Axlegreaser, there's no real way to get around your issue with the fact I'm smurfing. You can hold me accountable for my actions through my reads and how I make and push them. My play in this game will stand for itself. If this isn't enough for you, then don't elect me as mayor.
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5touch I agree with a prplhz lynch.
He hasn't scumhunted. He has dedicated himself to defending himself with previous games and making no contributions to the town
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