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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote: Sadly people never listen to me and always end up being scolded for it in the postgame. Especially setup speculation which along with actionbehaviour is my backyard. Actually, you are making sense. But TheChronicler is a no-no for me. Also I don't feel that I can totally trust you. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:18 Djodref wrote: @marv When I look as my table with the different damage claims for today, I could say that the mafia went for a Dieno kill. Could you help me to assess iamp alignment ? iamp isn't acting anything like his town meta, and I agree with you that no rational town player would have healed him. But its possible there are other explanations, so it doesn't damn him to being scum. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:20 Keirathi wrote: iamp isn't acting anything like his town meta, and I agree with you that no rational town player would have healed him. But its possible there are other explanations, so it doesn't damn him to being scum. I'd say he was acting a bit closer to his town meta than scum meta, but I'm quite unsure. If iamp is scum I'm not sure why he'd claim to being healed as it was surely bound to raise question marks over why anyone would heal him. | ||
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CaveJohnson
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:08 goodkarma wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 26 2012 01:44 Djodref wrote: @iamp I would eat my hat is this "someone" is town. Paying attention ? Like in "I should heal iamp because he is obviously the biggest asset of the town" ? Trying to cattle-prod people of the apathy that iamp has shown won't get you very far... Am I missing something, or have we not finalized a team party? I would have thought that would be our top priority. People I'm okay with seeing in a party (in no particular order): Hapa - definitely someone others here might consider an interesting choice, but he has shown a genuine interest in the thread and I am in general agreement with his reads. I have not played with him when he was scum, so not based off of meta... Oats - prior party, all but "confirmed" town Dieno - prior party, all but "confirmed" town Keir - prior party, all but "confirmed" town syllo - prior party, all but "confirmed" town Acro. - verifiable role claim, super-active and geniunely interested in scum hunting TheChronicler - Don't like his posting, and yet claim is easily verifiable. I doubt scum would have done this. Marv - I can understand the merits of taking him along with three strong town reads as a means of "confirming he's town." I've never played with him before (unless you count rockband, which I replaced out of quite early). As such, I am working off his reputation of being a strong scum player when asking we be cautious about bringing him unless we can establish him as the weak link in our party if it fails. So if I were to recommend a team it would be: Oats / Dieno / (TheChronicler or Hapa) / Marv Keir and Acro are not good picks due to their self-admitted low success modifiers. As for Clarity: Clarity made a "case" on sandroba long after his lynch was gaining traction. If this is the reason people have determined he is a good party candidate, I would ask they reconsider. It's pretty clear scum bussed Sandroba, so I don't give him much town cred for doing this... Oats and Dieno have gained the most traction as party leader. Perhaps we could spend a little time coming to some consensus as to which of them should lead before we argue about scum suspects we can't lynch today? I guess I should address this. I made the case because I easily saw the bandwagon dissappearing, although I was convinced he was scum. Everyone seemed to call the bandwagon stupid and people were saying that the only reason he has so many votes was because he went inactive, I went to prove that there was a legitimate reason to vote for him. But yeah it's fair that you shouldn't give me townie cred for my 2nd case on him. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:21 marvellosity wrote: I'd say he was acting a bit closer to his town meta than scum meta, but I'm quite unsure. If iamp is scum I'm not sure why he'd claim to being healed as it was surely bound to raise question marks over why anyone would heal him. Do you mean that someone frame-healed him ? This is going into some WIFOM territory. I am more concerned by the fact that his filter is lacking of scum hunting and such... Anyway, it couldn't hurt for him to start to contribute in a more constructive way... | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:19 marvellosity wrote: I always listen to you, I just don't let anyone know. Shh! On a serious matter, if you think Chronicledude is town and telling the truth, why don't you think Toad is necessarily scum? Yes but generally people assume I have extra knowledge and this is how they tend to react (pickyourpoison) And CJ has the right of it. If acro is 1-shot he should had claimed immediately. And he did not push toad very hard. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:05 risk.nuke wrote: Toad did not seem nailed as scum to me. I'll reread Acros actions after Cycle2. That doesn't sound like your super convinced toad is scum =\ | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:31 risk.nuke wrote: Yes but generally people assume I have extra knowledge and this is how they tend to react (pickyourpoison) And CJ has the right of it. If acro is 1-shot he should had claimed immediately. And he did not push toad very hard. While I would normally agree with this, since today isn't a lynch day and we can do nothing about Toad today, I don't think its unreasonable to think he would have waited until tomorrow. In fact, I would have expected both of them to wait until tomorrow. THAT'S what I find weird. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:36 Hopeless1der wrote: That doesn't sound like your super convinced toad is scum =\ What you quoted was in response to a question from Djo. It made sense in context, but if you're just looking through risk's filter, I guess you could take it as that. He said this a bit before though: On November 26 2012 00:04 risk.nuke wrote: Toad is definitely scum. Two players claiming copchecks. And sandroba had the framebus and he was roleblocked (unless he lied). As to your question, there is no failsafe way to kill him except dayvigs/lynch. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Also, nobody is voting for me and I think that some of my points were wrong, especially the fact the we shouldn't concentrate too much town assets on a single player. It could make like easier for the protective roles. Regarding the point where we should try to propose 3 new players as party members, it doesn't look like this idea is popular. Conclusion - I withdraw my candidature for this election ! I would like Oats as a party leader ! It's his time period and he still has full health. I'm counting on the protective roles to take care of him. I wish him to receive a gift and to use it well. And yes I've changed my mind about it ! I would like Syllo or Dieno as second member for this party. Risk.nuke brought up an interesting point about how the HP of the players could influence the outcome of the event. It's up to the leader choice  I recognize town Clarity in our Clarity and I think I could sense scum Clarity quite easily. In my opinion, Clarity should be the third member of the expedition. I'm not decided yet on the fourth and last member of my ideal team. I'm leaning on Marv right now. I would like to be brought along but I don't think my presence would be very consensual. Plus I know that Oats doesn't like my style of play  | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:37 marvellosity wrote: yeah, what Hopeless quoted. Unless it's a misunderstanding. Yeah I ment toad didn't seem nailed before chronicler claimed the check. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:42 Djodref wrote: I'm going to fight all the campaigns and parties including TheChronicler. We cannot check the truth of his claim. He isn't a beacon of townieness. Also, nobody is voting for me and I think that some of my points were wrong, especially the fact the we shouldn't concentrate too much town assets on a single player. It could make like easier for the protective roles. Regarding the point where we should try to propose 3 new players as party members, it doesn't look like this idea is popular. Conclusion - I withdraw my candidature for this election ! I would like Oats as a party leader ! It's his time period and he still has full health. I'm counting on the protective roles to take care of him. I wish him to receive a gift and to use it well. And yes I've changed my mind about it ! I would like Syllo or Dieno as second member for this party. Risk.nuke brought up an interesting point about how the HP of the players could influence the outcome of the event. It's up to the leader choice I recognize town Clarity in our Clarity and I think I could sense scum Clarity quite easily. In my opinion, Clarity should be the third member of the expedition. I'm not decided yet on the fourth and last member of my ideal team. I'm leaning on Marv right now. I would like to be brought along but I don't think my presence would be very consensual. Plus I know that Oats doesn't like my style of play Might be shooting myself in the foot by saying this but you underestimate how fast I improve at things. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote: As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? Are you are suggesting there is a built-in repercussion for roleclaiming in addition than becoming a huge target for mafia? Care to elaborate on what you think these repercussions might be? I ask because I think these strategic roleclaims are going to be one of our most powerful tactics to pass challenges in the future. And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. More random speculation angled to get me off the team. True, I am not 100% like Oats, but I still think the benefits of my presence in the group far outweighs any danger. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. [/quote] Syllo did a great job leading us d1 and d2. He also played a vital part in identifying Sandroba as scum. As far as the party is concerned, however, he has not claimed a power role, so should willingly step aside for those of us who have (me, oats). And do you really think keith, the person who was least trusted out of the group due to his low modifier, is better than having Oats as Robo? Why does it feel so much like you are trying to sabotage our group? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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