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On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them.
He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering)
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Wasn't it a n1 action, not n2?
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clarity should 100% be on the team
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On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering)
He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day.
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On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day.
My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle.
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On November 26 2012 02:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:42 Djodref wrote:I'm going to fight all the campaigns and parties including TheChronicler. We cannot check the truth of his claim. He isn't a beacon of townieness. Also, nobody is voting for me and I think that some of my points were wrong, especially the fact the we shouldn't concentrate too much town assets on a single player. It could make like easier for the protective roles. Regarding the point where we should try to propose 3 new players as party members, it doesn't look like this idea is popular. Conclusion - I withdraw my candidature for this election !I would like Oats as a party leader ! It's his time period and he still has full health. I'm counting on the protective roles to take care of him. I wish him to receive a gift and to use it well. And yes I've changed my mind about it ! I would like Syllo or Dieno as second member for this party. Risk.nuke brought up an interesting point about how the HP of the players could influence the outcome of the event. It's up to the leader choice  I recognize town Clarity in our Clarity and I think I could sense scum Clarity quite easily. In my opinion, Clarity should be the third member of the expedition.I'm not decided yet on the fourth and last member of my ideal team. I'm leaning on Marv right now. I would like to be brought along but I don't think my presence would be very consensual. Plus I know that Oats doesn't like my style of play  Might be shooting myself in the foot by saying this but you underestimate how fast I improve at things.
Yeah, you are certainly right, I'm underestimating you But I have some big town tells in your filter for this game, sorry ^^
You were not bad at all for a first scum in your first (I don't count the modkill one) game. I'm anticipating the next game in which I could tunnel you to death.
Who would you be your ideal party for today by the way ?
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On November 26 2012 02:52 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:46 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:42 Djodref wrote:I'm going to fight all the campaigns and parties including TheChronicler. We cannot check the truth of his claim. He isn't a beacon of townieness. Also, nobody is voting for me and I think that some of my points were wrong, especially the fact the we shouldn't concentrate too much town assets on a single player. It could make like easier for the protective roles. Regarding the point where we should try to propose 3 new players as party members, it doesn't look like this idea is popular. Conclusion - I withdraw my candidature for this election !I would like Oats as a party leader ! It's his time period and he still has full health. I'm counting on the protective roles to take care of him. I wish him to receive a gift and to use it well. And yes I've changed my mind about it ! I would like Syllo or Dieno as second member for this party. Risk.nuke brought up an interesting point about how the HP of the players could influence the outcome of the event. It's up to the leader choice I recognize town Clarity in our Clarity and I think I could sense scum Clarity quite easily. In my opinion, Clarity should be the third member of the expedition.I'm not decided yet on the fourth and last member of my ideal team. I'm leaning on Marv right now. I would like to be brought along but I don't think my presence would be very consensual. Plus I know that Oats doesn't like my style of play Might be shooting myself in the foot by saying this but you underestimate how fast I improve at things. Yeah, you are certainly right, I'm underestimating you But I have some big town tells in your filter for this game, sorry ^^ You were not bad at all for a first scum in your first (I don't count the modkill one) game. I'm anticipating the next game in which I could tunnel you to death. Who would you be your ideal party for today by the way ?
We'll see, because I can easily see you tunneling someone to death who turns out to be town, and you were so present for two days no one got anything done. =]
Eh, ideal party.
Dieno Oats myself..... fourth is the hardest. I'd have to re-check but the three I'd consider would be marv, hapa and phagga
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On November 26 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day. My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle.
Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership?
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Has Toad put up any real defense against the accusations yet other than saying, "No I'm not." ?
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day. My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle. Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership?
I agree with you absolutely that it's a weird check.
However, people often handle their roles in extremely weird, and blatantly suboptimal, ways.
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On November 26 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day. My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle. Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership?
The reason he has given for checking sandro and Toad was that both were running for the election. But you have a very good point here...
For me, either TheChronicler is town and he has the weirdest logic (his plan, the people he chose to compare their alignment) or either he tells us a nice story. In doubt, I should check what he has done for town.
The answer is nothing, except a claim which we cannot really check -> not a good candidate for a party...
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On November 26 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day. My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle. Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership? I agree with you absolutely that it's a weird check. However, people often handle their roles in extremely weird, and blatantly suboptimal, ways.
Let me be devils advocate for a minute. Is it possible he just had a feeling about Toad and since it looked like Sandro would be lynched the following day it would be an easy way to check out Toad?
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On November 26 2012 02:59 Dienosore wrote:
Has Toad put up any real defense against the accusations yet other than saying, "No I'm not." ?
@Dieno
Toad is 99% confirmed scum. Everything he could say is useless now. Be grateful to him for not shitting up the thread 
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On November 26 2012 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day. My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle. Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership? I agree with you absolutely that it's a weird check. However, people often handle their roles in extremely weird, and blatantly suboptimal, ways. Let me be devils advocate for a minute. Is it possible he just had a feeling about Toad and since it looked like Sandro would be lynched the following day it would be an easy way to check out Toad?
Yes, it's possible.
But, imagine for a minute that you are a Parity Cop. You check two people, and your result tells you that they are the same alignment. Even for mildly suspicious people, its a stretch to believe that you investigated two scum. The most likely (probability wise) explanation is that you checked two townies.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 26 2012 03:06 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day. My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle. Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership? I agree with you absolutely that it's a weird check. However, people often handle their roles in extremely weird, and blatantly suboptimal, ways. Let me be devils advocate for a minute. Is it possible he just had a feeling about Toad and since it looked like Sandro would be lynched the following day it would be an easy way to check out Toad? Yes, it's possible. But, imagine for a minute that you are a Parity Cop. You check two people, and your result tells you that they are the same alignment. Even for mildly suspicious people, its a stretch to believe that you investigated two scum. The most likely (probability wise) explanation is that you checked two townies.
Don't think like that. You don't check two people based on a probability approach. If you're investigating them because you find them both suspicious then you'd quite happily believe they were both scum.
Regardless, I don't see much point talking about it that much anymore because we're not inside TC's head.
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I'm more curious as to how he bought his "popcorn"; am I missing something?
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
If you are considering me for party leader, please don't. Instead, I suggest you give Oats your vote. He has more hp right now than I do (in case he gets an item, it will be less risky in his hands) and his role fits the lore right now.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
yeah, I have no idea about the Popcorn :/
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On November 26 2012 03:09 Dienosore wrote:
If you are considering me for party leader, please don't. Instead, I suggest you give Oats your vote. He has more hp right now than I do (in case he gets an item, it will be less risky in his hands) and his role fits the lore right now.
I second this post :D
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EBWOP: but I'm not voting Oats until I obtain some assurance that TC is not in the party
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