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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 18:37 GMT
#3201
I'm going to go to bed. I hope to wake up to see a lot of constructive posts from iamp and Hopeless
I also would like Oats and marv to finalize their ticket if they can...

Activity is very dispersed in this town by the way. VE comes off the top of my mind as a suspicious lurker.
I might not be able to be very active tomorrow because I'm going to have a difficult Monday at work but I'll take the time to carefully consider my vote for sure.

@risk.nuke

Bring me a strong case against a some new suspicious player and remove TC from your ticket and you may have my vote
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 25 2012 18:40 GMT
#3202
On November 26 2012 03:32 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 03:31 Dienosore wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Right now the general assumption is just that if one party member is mafia the party fails. But that doesn't make sense because then HSM would be useless.


I thought the general assumption was that my hidden modifier was boosted due to matching my role with the correct time period, enough so that I could potentially carry even if scum was on the team.

Does your role PM say anything about it being boosted if you're in the party during your era?

Mine doesn't, although I do get other bonuses when I'm in the party during my era.


No, it doesn't say I get a boost in my pm. I just assumed it because the likelyhood of syllo correctly picking 3 townies on day 1 was low, yet we still won the challenge.

It's highly possible Syllo just had some good reads, but surely having Frog in the squad during 600ad couldn't have hurt either.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 25 2012 18:44 GMT
#3203
The probability of syllo picking 3 townies on day 1 is very high.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 25 2012 18:46 GMT
#3204
Why am I not on the team?
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 25 2012 18:47 GMT
#3205
How did you get your popcorn
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 25 2012 18:49 GMT
#3206
What... That's the ability name. I can use it any time I have the gold for it.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 25 2012 18:51 GMT
#3207
That's such a dumb ability name that I'm struggling to see how it could be a fake claim unless someone on the team is clever. How do you get gold then?
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 25 2012 18:55 GMT
#3208
I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 18:56 GMT
#3209
On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote:
I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team.

So your ability costs gold. But you haven't gained any gold, nor do you know how to, but you got to use it? :o

I'm confused.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 25 2012 18:57 GMT
#3210
I guess the ability is called popcorn, because that is what greymist will be eating when the person with the role claims his popcorn check
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 25 2012 18:58 GMT
#3211
Obviously I didn't start with 0...
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 25 2012 19:05 GMT
#3212
On November 26 2012 03:56 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote:
I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team.

So your ability costs gold. But you haven't gained any gold, nor do you know how to, but you got to use it? :o

I'm confused.


There is this:
On November 20 2012 05:17 Mementoss wrote:
Because me and GreYMist are such nice hosts, we gave each and every one of you 200 G to explore the fair, mingle with friends, and play the games!
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 25 2012 19:11 GMT
#3213
On November 26 2012 04:05 Dienosore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 03:56 Keirathi wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote:
I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team.

So your ability costs gold. But you haven't gained any gold, nor do you know how to, but you got to use it? :o

I'm confused.


There is this:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 05:17 Mementoss wrote:
Because me and GreYMist are such nice hosts, we gave each and every one of you 200 G to explore the fair, mingle with friends, and play the games!


A nice quote, but not relevant to me. I didn't start with 200.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 25 2012 19:18 GMT
#3214
On November 26 2012 04:11 TheChronicler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 04:05 Dienosore wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:56 Keirathi wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote:
I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team.

So your ability costs gold. But you haven't gained any gold, nor do you know how to, but you got to use it? :o

I'm confused.


There is this:
On November 20 2012 05:17 Mementoss wrote:
Because me and GreYMist are such nice hosts, we gave each and every one of you 200 G to explore the fair, mingle with friends, and play the games!


A nice quote, but not relevant to me. I didn't start with 200.

We're you given a "you have x total gold" or "you have received x amount of gold"? The latter suggests we can give you gold.




On November 26 2012 03:36 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 03:30 Keirathi wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:27 risk.nuke wrote:
You made no argument, you simply rephrased what I said as an evil plot to exclude you from the party. We have no ideas how easy/hard it is to win a mission. Right now the general assumption is just that if one party member is mafia the party fails. But that doesn't make sense because then HMS would be useless.

No it's not useless.

For instance, I think the probable scenario is something like this:

Normal Townies: 100 HMS
High HMS Townies: 250 HMS
Low HMS Townies: 40 HMS
Normal Mafia: -300 HMS

When the mission starts, if the total HMS value of the group is > 0, the event is successful.

(These are obviously just made up numbers. Just an example for context.)

Even if I believed a system like that likely the problem is those numbers are values. And values are not Modifiers. Thus we would had been told each player have a hidden/unknown success value.

Gotta read the setup you guys...
On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Setup Information
Events

The Party leader will choose 3 additional members (including himself) for a total of 4 party members. This party members will attempt to complete the event that the town is faced with. Each character in the game is assigned a hidden number value that will help determine if the event is a success or failure. Town players will assist completion of an event and mafia players will count against. There are other hidden factors that contribute to this as well. Failure to complete events will result in bad. Failure and success of Events may result in changing the timeline of the game.

  • Each player has a HIDDEN NUMBER VALUE (not a modifier)
  • There are other HIDDEN FACTORS that contribute to this as well
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 25 2012 19:22 GMT
#3215
You have [redacted] gold coins to purchase the following...
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 25 2012 19:29 GMT
#3216
On November 26 2012 04:11 TheChronicler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 04:05 Dienosore wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:56 Keirathi wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote:
I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team.

So your ability costs gold. But you haven't gained any gold, nor do you know how to, but you got to use it? :o

I'm confused.


There is this:
On November 20 2012 05:17 Mementoss wrote:
Because me and GreYMist are such nice hosts, we gave each and every one of you 200 G to explore the fair, mingle with friends, and play the games!


A nice quote, but not relevant to me. I didn't start with 200.


Then you should complain to Greymist and demand a refund
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 25 2012 19:46 GMT
#3217
On November 26 2012 04:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 04:11 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 26 2012 04:05 Dienosore wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:56 Keirathi wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote:
I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team.

So your ability costs gold. But you haven't gained any gold, nor do you know how to, but you got to use it? :o

I'm confused.


There is this:
On November 20 2012 05:17 Mementoss wrote:
Because me and GreYMist are such nice hosts, we gave each and every one of you 200 G to explore the fair, mingle with friends, and play the games!


A nice quote, but not relevant to me. I didn't start with 200.

We're you given a "you have x total gold" or "you have received x amount of gold"? The latter suggests we can give you gold.




Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 03:36 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:30 Keirathi wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:27 risk.nuke wrote:
You made no argument, you simply rephrased what I said as an evil plot to exclude you from the party. We have no ideas how easy/hard it is to win a mission. Right now the general assumption is just that if one party member is mafia the party fails. But that doesn't make sense because then HMS would be useless.

No it's not useless.

For instance, I think the probable scenario is something like this:

Normal Townies: 100 HMS
High HMS Townies: 250 HMS
Low HMS Townies: 40 HMS
Normal Mafia: -300 HMS

When the mission starts, if the total HMS value of the group is > 0, the event is successful.

(These are obviously just made up numbers. Just an example for context.)

Even if I believed a system like that likely the problem is those numbers are values. And values are not Modifiers. Thus we would had been told each player have a hidden/unknown success value.

Gotta read the setup you guys...
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Setup Information
Events

The Party leader will choose 3 additional members (including himself) for a total of 4 party members. This party members will attempt to complete the event that the town is faced with. Each character in the game is assigned a hidden number value that will help determine if the event is a success or failure. Town players will assist completion of an event and mafia players will count against. There are other hidden factors that contribute to this as well. Failure to complete events will result in bad. Failure and success of Events may result in changing the timeline of the game.

  • Each player has a HIDDEN NUMBER VALUE (not a modifier)
  • There are other HIDDEN FACTORS that contribute to this as well

I need to remind myself to go back and read the setup, I always forget things a week or so after I read it and assume everything I don't remember is hidden. People were talking about modifiers in the thread, I guess it started out with someone thinking it was the same thing. Still doesn't change how I feel about HP though.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 25 2012 19:49 GMT
#3218
No, but it does reinforce the idea that characters from the corresponding era and their being main characters has a chance (however slim) of improving our party's chance at success beyond that of simply 'being town'.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 25 2012 19:58 GMT
#3219
On November 26 2012 04:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
No, but it does reinforce the idea that characters from the corresponding era and their being main characters has a chance (however slim) of improving our party's chance at success beyond that of simply 'being town'.

i agree with this. This is also why any party with out oats is stupid imo.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 25 2012 20:15 GMT
#3220
On November 20 2012 05:37 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 05:34 iamperfection wrote:
What is considered an experienced player?


If this isnt your second game


And the funny thing is everyone just assumes this fair thing isn't part of the game


There are things to do when we return to the present day.
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