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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 25 2012 20:19 GMT
#3221
On November 26 2012 05:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 05:37 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 20 2012 05:34 iamperfection wrote:
What is considered an experienced player?


If this isnt your second game


And the funny thing is everyone just assumes this fair thing isn't part of the game


There are things to do when we return to the present day.


it wasnt
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 25 2012 20:20 GMT
#3222
well that mystery is solved
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 25 2012 20:27 GMT
#3223
Lol did grey just expose hopeless?
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 25 2012 20:28 GMT
#3224
uh how so?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 25 2012 20:29 GMT
#3225
Ebwop: I can only see hopeless pointing to that if he planned on making some sort of claim.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 20:30 GMT
#3226
How about we speculate about the setup speculation now that grey swooped in and stopped the setup speculation. No.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 25 2012 20:32 GMT
#3227
On November 26 2012 05:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
How about we speculate about the setup speculation now that grey swooped in and stopped the setup speculation. No.


Why is it that whenever I call someone out you're suddenly there to defend them? You know something I don't?

I'm not even relating anything to setup speculation. I'm accusing hopeless of attempting to set up a fake claim.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 25 2012 20:34 GMT
#3228
On November 26 2012 05:32 TheChronicler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 05:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
How about we speculate about the setup speculation now that grey swooped in and stopped the setup speculation. No.


Why is it that whenever I call someone out you're suddenly there to defend them? You know something I don't?

I'm not even relating anything to setup speculation. I'm accusing hopeless of attempting to set up a fake claim.

I'm suggesting that we could get you gold once we return to the fair, but evidently I was wrong. Then again, Grey didn't bold his mod text so maybe hes screwing with us
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 25 2012 20:38 GMT
#3229
I see. That doesn't explain clarity's defense of you.

Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 25 2012 20:46 GMT
#3230
On November 25 2012 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
I had the best white meat turkey EVER.
It was so fucking good :D.
So full.....

Also yeah, Prome sounds extremely powerful, I/E not town but that is one of the worst reasoning for lynching someone.
Its like a single nail when you need the coffin


I have not completely caught up yet, but wanted to comment on this. Know that you are in a Greymist game. There, town roles like Yugi Moto, Link or Kanti, Lord of the Black Flames appear. The latter one was responsible for 6 kills alone in that game. So, no, no role is too powerfull to be town in a game like this.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 20:56 GMT
#3231
@ TC

It's not a defense of him at all. I return to the thread and everyone is speculating setup, grey swoops in and shuts it down and you guys start speculating about that. Hopeless is scummy as fuck as he had a case made on him that said he added nothing and he's setup speculating again. TC you keep pointing out random stuff that has no connection and try to make a big deal out of it but I have yet to see you make a coherent point.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 25 2012 21:03 GMT
#3232
On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored.


I actually missed your post saying that you run for leader when reading throught the thread. Perhaps highlight it more next time?

Nevertheless, you will not get my vote.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 21:19 GMT
#3233
On November 23 2012 23:24 strongandbig wrote:
Hey thread I'm at the airport
Flying to visit my old college roommate in Britain
I'll post as much as I can but idk how consistent wifi ill have
Plz not to kill me like last time I went on vacation - that's the only time I've ever been mostly chef an I'd rather not repeat it


I've read this post a couple of times.... judging from snb's last game (mario mini) this could just be him being an idiot but I am so irked by him right now.
You don't know ahead of time you're getting on a plane and going on "vacation"? Why even sign up. Why not say so ahead of time.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 25 2012 21:28 GMT
#3234
K, I'm all for a party with Oats and Dieno. Since Oats has the character matching this time and is willing to listen to input of high profile town players like syllo, I will put my vote on him.

##Vote Oatsmaster
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 21:36 GMT
#3235
On November 26 2012 06:28 phagga wrote:
K, I'm all for a party with Oats and Dieno. Since Oats has the character matching this time and is willing to listen to input of high profile town players like syllo, I will put my vote on him.

##Vote Oatsmaster


Phagga if this was a lynch cycle and we couldn't lynch Toad, who'd you vote for?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 25 2012 21:41 GMT
#3236
i'm quite happy with an oats/dieno/me/clarity team

Apart from anything else I can't see Clarity playing silly buggers with me as mafia, it makes no sense.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 21:47 GMT
#3237
On November 26 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
i'm quite happy with an oats/dieno/me/clarity team

Apart from anything else I can't see Clarity playing silly buggers with me as mafia, it makes no sense.


What's that mean? You silly british person.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 21:49 GMT
#3238
On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored.


I think it's because you are not active enough
I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you.

It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit.


Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
  • The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
  • The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
  • The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
  • The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....



I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread.

Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me.

As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him.

Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him.


@risk.nuke

You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here)

Ok, fair enough.

Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho...

What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town.

TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim...

you think acro faked his copclaim as well?

Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient.


09:30 - Flip
09:51 - Acro's first post after flip
10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip
13:20 - Acro's roleclaim

Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus.

Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real.


Holy shit. This post has merit. What have you done with Draz?

On November 26 2012 02:38 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 02:31 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:19 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Sadly people never listen to me and always end up being scolded for it in the postgame. Especially setup speculation which along with actionbehaviour is my backyard.


I always listen to you, I just don't let anyone know. Shh!

On a serious matter, if you think Chronicledude is town and telling the truth, why don't you think Toad is necessarily scum?

Yes but generally people assume I have extra knowledge and this is how they tend to react (pickyourpoison)

And CJ has the right of it. If acro is 1-shot he should had claimed immediately. And he did not push toad very hard.

While I would normally agree with this, since today isn't a lynch day and we can do nothing about Toad today, I don't think its unreasonable to think he would have waited until tomorrow.

In fact, I would have expected both of them to wait until tomorrow. THAT'S what I find weird.


there is town kp flying around. Why not make people aware of scum in our midst? I don't get this at all Keir. While we don't have a lynch we do have other abilities which we can use to eliminate scum players.

On November 26 2012 03:29 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 03:25 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:21 syllogism wrote:
I think those may potentially affect mission success, but in the end best and most likely design is based primarily on mafia being included in the team. I do not think a mission can fail if there is no mafia included; that kind of hidden mechanics are simply not fun. The only possible, and still unfun, exception I can see would be some kind of one-shot mafia ability, but I think they would have used that on n1.

In fact, I think the speculation revolving around whether we should include claimed characters or players with matching time period flavor is also misguided (dienosore and oats should be included because they were on a successful day 1 mission, although the roles do not hurt).

So, in short, ignore hp/roles, unless the claims themselves make someone more likely to be town.


Out of interest, any reason you advocate those 2 rather than yourself?

No, including me is fine.


why didn't you include yourself? Even though we did get a successful d1 it doesn't totally confirm the guys on that squad. I'd want to get on the quest if I thought I had any chance of that because I read my role pm, I know I'm town, that means there are only three people I have to trust instead of four. better odds.

On November 26 2012 03:40 Dienosore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 03:32 Keirathi wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:31 Dienosore wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Right now the general assumption is just that if one party member is mafia the party fails. But that doesn't make sense because then HSM would be useless.


I thought the general assumption was that my hidden modifier was boosted due to matching my role with the correct time period, enough so that I could potentially carry even if scum was on the team.

Does your role PM say anything about it being boosted if you're in the party during your era?

Mine doesn't, although I do get other bonuses when I'm in the party during my era.


No, it doesn't say I get a boost in my pm. I just assumed it because the likelyhood of syllo correctly picking 3 townies on day 1 was low, yet we still won the challenge.

It's highly possible Syllo just had some good reads, but surely having Frog in the squad during 600ad couldn't have hurt either.


no it wasn't. Which of oats and Kier of you do you think is scum? (Since you know your own alignment and clearly A scum Syllo would have been able to 100% pick three townies)

On November 26 2012 05:38 TheChronicler wrote:
I see. That doesn't explain clarity's defense of you.



the explanation is that you are an idiot and defending people against you makes sense because you are as dumb as a rock. Claim who you are. You said you wouldn't do it d1 but we're in the 3rd cycle now.

okay, hapa, Zbo and Syllo all have suspicions on me but won't respond to the things I say. You guys are all being idiots. If you are town you can't know my alignment. All that you can gain from actually interacting with me is more information. Now stop being so stubborn and actually reply to the things I have said.

Marv: you asked someone if I 'guessed' that you targeted Syllo too. What do you think? Did I guess it? Did I roleblock both you and Sand? What is truth?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 21:51 GMT
#3239
On November 25 2012 21:07 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 20:59 Promethelax wrote:
On November 25 2012 10:05 GreYMisT wrote:
10


almost exactly on the hour 12 hours ago...


err...10 hours ago. hurble gurble. Me stupid after work.

Acro, glad to have you back. Can you explain to me the contradiction in your play where you distrust Kier's low success modifier but also suggest that you have a similar low modifier.


Acro. Respond to this. And why did you ask about the downsides to my ability?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 25 2012 21:55 GMT
#3240
On November 26 2012 06:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
i'm quite happy with an oats/dieno/me/clarity team

Apart from anything else I can't see Clarity playing silly buggers with me as mafia, it makes no sense.


What's that mean? You silly british person.


It's my fucking language

in this case, just "playing silly games" would work fine too. As in, if you're scum and cryptically asking me things and healing me it would make zero sense at all.
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