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On November 24 2012 04:50 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:36 phagga wrote:Z-BosonOn November 24 2012 03:52 Z-BosoN wrote:Phagga, I think you are missing the post he's responding to: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2012 02:45 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:36 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 02:28 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 02:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
@Chronicler: I think it's important to clear some stuff up and for that you will have to unsmurf.
I am very uncomfortable with you being a smurf, but playing like a noobie. If you are, in fact, a noobie hiding on a smurf (like we had in HRM) for TL reasons, claiming your identity will not suddenly set lights flashing everywhere. However, if you are someone acting as a misguided noobie as some hairbrained scheme, we need to know. Just like I told marv, I won't be unsmurfing. I'm alive and didn't take any damage, don't think I'm playing like a noob at all. Okay, so you're not picking the easy way out. Did you have some ulterior motive with your plan, or did you suggest it as a serious idea? The revised edition was my original plan but as I was posting it I got cute. Don't know why, that was bad. Was serious about the revised plan. I still think it was a good idea, but if I'm the only one thinking that it must have been bad. Yes... and my million dollar question is how someone who is apparently fairly experienced in mafia could not see that this plan was bad. The main problem is that the rest of your play has been fairly standard. You're not ranting like a maniac, like Risen or Bluelightz, and you're not derping it up with crazy logic like BM. Which means you *should* have been able to see how bad that plan was. And that is what's bugging me. Because if you knew how bad the plan was, then there is no town motivation for posting it. And that's why I want to know your identity. If you are prone to derps like thinking that that plan was good, then you might be town, but otherwise I can only see scum motivations for posting that. Now, lets move on to the other stuff Djodref pointed out: explain your vote for Syllo. Acrofales asked him to explain his vote on syllo. So I come reading his post expecting an answer to that. And the FIRST think he said is he doesn't believe in giving out town reads. To me that's a straight reference to supporting syllo, because syllo was also against giving out the town members he was gonna choose. I don't think he's referring to "town reads in general", because that makes no fucking sense to what acrofales had just asked him. On November 24 2012 03:21 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:05 Z-BosoN wrote:Wtf... I had you marked as townie, but this post right here just killed that. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can.
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer.
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost?
5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. So just like that you agreed your post was stupid? Did you put any amount of thought into your plan, to be so easily convinced? Also, from a townie perspective, you'd want to choose a plan that was most similar to yours, no? And really, just look at point number 1). IN NO WAY is that the complete opposite of what syllo suggested:The only way me providing information regarding my picks gives you more information is if mafia decides to fight harder against my election due to my team being all town. I don't find it particularly likely that mafia would have behaved any differently today, unless perhaps if I had revealed my team much earlier. Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand. It's clear that he is also not revealing his town reads. You now say you play for nearly a year, which makes your plan even more wtf. One year is nowhere close to being a newbie, which was why I had you as town. You have some real explaining to do, this post here stinks. I am completely confused by the bolded part. Number 1.) talks about him not givin townreads in general, which has nothing to do with his plan or syllo. His plan was to chose 3 people who would then chose the 3 people for the party. The 3 people he choses may very well be town, as he indicates for example here, and since he has to publicly call them out for them to make their picks, that would be him revealing his town reads. Are you buying this then? Oh well, my read was wrong, ergo I'm gonna go the complete opposite. I mean just look at these posts: On November 21 2012 12:47 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:45 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 12:42 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:41 marvellosity wrote:
i wonder how long we can discuss this infinitely awful idea for. Respond to my modified version? if i'm leader and i choose my strongest 3 townreads, why the fuck do I want people who aren't strong reads on my team? I chose those 3 people for a reason. People will be discussing who should potentially be in any party anyway. No-one is prevented from doing this, so giving them some arbitrary power to choose doesn't add anything. When it comes down to it, you want the 4 people likeliest to be townie in the party.
Again, what if the leader is scum.... On November 21 2012 12:56 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:49 marvellosity wrote:
then we make sure we don't elect a scum person.
can't be that hard to make just one or two very likely town reads, no? ^^ I figured I'd add in a system that got us as much information as possible. I never expected to be elected since I'm on a smurf, but I really wanted my idea to be used because I think there's a good enough chance we don't get a townie elected (I've lynched enough townies d1 not to be overly confident in my d1 reads) On November 21 2012 12:46 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:You are really not making sense Chronicler..
leader chooses three > three choose 3 others, can't choose themselves
Leader will want to choose people who he has certain reads on, since he will want the event to succeed, and those three will want to choose someone they have a certain read on.
So the leader has to crapshoot 3 people that he thinks will pick town players? This just makes it harder to complete the task successfully. Also, as Prome already pointed out, 1 mafia may cause the party to fail and since 3 people are picking 3 other people, it is more likely that they will pick a scum... So... what if the leader is scum and we do it your guys' way? I even said if I'm not elected I want the person elected to use my way of doing it. I think we have better odds if we spread the party choice amongst more people than if we have it rest with a single person. Does this look like someone who thinks weakly of his idea, do you honestly think that when reading this? Does this come to you as "a vet who thinks weakly of his own plan?" Definitely no. He completely 180's on it, as if he was insecure all along, and goes ahead and votes syllo without much explanation. If he had genuinely thought that which he just said (i.e that he was gonna 180 on his thinking and vote for the complete opposite), why the hell didn't he say so when voting for syllo: On November 22 2012 03:42 TheChronicler wrote:
I'm going to place my vote on syllo. Cave seems to be pushing syllo as someone who can't be elected because he's "taken himself out" when he's a very viable candidate. I'm driving to California, and won't be back in the thread for a good 12 hours. I will try to keep up with the thread on my phone, though. Just don't expect your questions to be answered until I get to my parents' place tonight. I don't know. I'd expect this from someone completely new and trying to figure shit out. He says he's played for a year and this just kills it for me. He's not making any sense and his tone when proposing his plan was definitely not that of insecurity. Until marv or syllo, who had townreads on him explain how the hell is his explanation of things "townie" at all. Newbie card cannot be used anymore and his latest explanation on syllo just stinks. ##Vote TheChronicle Ok, for me, this post: On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can.
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer.
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost?
5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. Was an Answer to this post: On November 24 2012 02:39 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 02:27 TheChronicler wrote:
I also like how I'm the scrub smurf and draz is just sitting up the thread. Are you going to be here for a while ? I would appreciate you to address my case and answer my questions and stuff ^^ 1. I would like you to explain me why iamp should not have stated that Dieno was a town read  2. I would like you to tell me about your experience on playing mafia on forums. 3. I would really appreciate you to explain me how you could vote for syllo with his platform. 4. And I think we also have to discuss about the real goal of your plan. I also want to know what was the "information" you were talking about and how town could have used it. 5. What the fuck were the "certain reads" ? Also, he did make general statements regarding not giving out town reads like these: On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 13:32 iamperfection wrote:
also by the way i have a town read on Dienosore no nooby scum gonna come in here like that. Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game? On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 13:55 iamperfection wrote:is it scummy to say what i think? It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go. That's why I got confused. However, seeing Acrofales post later on makes it more clear where the contradiction is: With is plan, not only would he give out town reads (which is acceptable since he has to make a party of four), but his picks will put out town reads as well, and that should be something he would want to avoid if he seems so keen on keeping the amount of townreads low. Tl;dr, I understand now. Oh, you are definitely right, I missed that post by djodref, and was thinking it was a response to acros. Due to that I flipped and read his filter and noticed how badly his story pans out. Anyways, the posts acro and djodref made afterwards are extremely damning and show exactly how TC is unable to keep his story straight. He's unclear on wth he expects from his leader. It's incredibly suspicious how he has gone AWOL right now as well. Yep, that guy's scum.
Well, he did say he was on his phone and his battery was dying. But I think he's scum without holding circumstantial stuff like that against him.
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On November 24 2012 04:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:57 phagga wrote:Ok, now that I've gone through Goodkarma's filter, I know why I thought he might be scum. When you look through his filter, literally the first half of it he almost only talks about what town should do, what people should do (with the one exception of his very first ingame post). There is a ton of stuff that just does not bring town anywhere. He looks like he is contributing, but nothing is really helping town. Also, the tone of his posts seems so neutral, as if he was emotionally completely detached. This is probably what others described as "constructed", for me it is just strange because it seems he does not care at all. The best example for this is this post: On November 22 2012 00:01 goodkarma wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. I found this particular quote to be upsetting. I understand, on the one hand, if you have a town read on syllo. But I don't understand why you would be willing to go so far as to allow him to veto your picks. If you're not that confident in your choices, you should as well just have him pick for you... Or better yet, let him be party leader. As current "frontrunner" I would like a response from you on this scandal. Are you looking to concede and have syllo run in your stead, or was this merely an assertion that you are super-confident syllo is town? He says he is upset, and calls it a scandal, which means it must have pissed him off. Bbut the tone of the post does not feel this way, it rather sounds as if he actually does not care. Then, this post is an improvement. I actually liked that post from him, even if it was a bit long and overexplaining. But then he posted that he would have Sandroba on his team, and I was really confused by that. Afterwards, it seems back to the old ways for him. When I look at his posts from today, it is mostly defending himself, a vote and post to sandroba, that's it. Tl;dr: Too much fluff, a single scum read on the Bus of the day, looks emotionally detached. Now, it is possible that this is his normal way of playing/writing, I am not familiar with his meta. However, for the above reasons, Goodkarma stands on the scummy side for me. Goodkarma:I see you have voted Sandroba. Can you name me up to three other people you also find suspicious, and why? I don't need a whole case, a short explanation what you think is scum motivated in their play would suffice. This is pretty interesting. GK is in fact detached as scum, as from his LVII filter, but I think that his much higher activity is fairly town-oriented, he's prodding around and asking questions. While he does seem detached and has taken the "lecturer tone", I don't see this necessarily be mafia-oriented, due to his activity. After checking his filter, though, there is one thing that I don't really understand, and I would like him to answer this. He goes from: Show nested quote +
A brief note on Dieno: He is playing so badly that many would consider him likely town, as newbie scum tend to play far more cautiously. However, the persistence and singlemindedness with which he's been pushing his campaign (even after repeatedly being warned) and shitting up the thread leaves enough doubt in my head to exclude him. As a newbie town trying to improve he would have changed his gameplan long ago, as a troll he would be more, well, trolly, and as a newbie who doesn't give a shit he would have given up. How he's been playing is just plain sad, to the point where I wonder if what he's been doing is deliberately anti-town as a scum. He most definitely could be town, but I would rather not take such a risk on such an unknown.
To: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 21:49 goodkarma wrote:
Okay, I have finalized my team. It will be of an unusual composition (of the semi-lurker variety). Since mafia needs to influence party compositions in this game it is to their advantage to be proactive and not lurking. As such, I have chosen those I see as both pro-town and semi-lurking. These individuals I feel have been semi-lurking while contributing genuinely to the thread their own thoughts and opinions about the current game mechanics and other players. These are currently my strongest town reads.:
In no particular order:
1) Djo
2) phagga
3) dieno (only because dieno has made a role-claim I am inclined to cautiously believe...)
I will be around the next thirty minutes, and will review the thread briefly afterwards in about six hours. Please discuss any thoughts or concerns you have of these players before then. Fairly quickly (in around 7 hours). @goodkarma I would like to know what made you change your mind heavily on dienosore. I don't think that's very clear from your filter. You mention his roleclaim, so was that solely it? Please explain.
Yes, it had solely to do with his roleclaim. I maintain what I said in the earlier post, but what makes him a town read for me is how absolutely stupid it would be for him to fakeclaim frog (of all people) as scum. Scum would have to fear a counter-claim, and as a newbie scum I'm very skeptical he'd have made such a move on his own.
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I'm usually vary of interpreting contradictions as an indication of someone being mafia as that depends a lot on the person question, but that one seems pretty bad. He hasn't really done anything other than propose his bad plan. A lot of posts and no useful content at all.
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On November 24 2012 04:09 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 24 2012 00:47 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 00:16 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 23:43 Djodref wrote:
I might have sounded angry but I honestly think that this sandroba wagon is pretty stupid. Nobody really brings an original argument and is sheeping syllo ">50% chance that sandro is mafia" and/or basically lynching a lurker with contributions.
It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all.
For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude !
FoS risk.nuke "without giving any alternatives"... Do you understand that bringing up alternatives would completely contradict the very reason I parked my vote on sandroba. The point was to build pressure to force him into activity. Saying, I'm parking my vote on sandroba but if he doesn't show up I'm going to vote this guy is just... dumb doesn't even suffice. @risk.nukeWell, obviously it didn't work because sandro is supposedly sleeping now. What do you plan to do now ? Play the waiting game. @risk.nukePlay the waiting game ? Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote:
*snip*
I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak.
We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play.
We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies.
This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination.
Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays.
##Vote: Sandroba @risk.nukeObviously, you know sandroba a little. Could you explain me why you feel like playing the waiting game with sandro is a good idea for today ? He explicitly told us that he was going to get busy this week-end  Why couldn't you share a little more about what you think of sandroba so far while we're waiting ? Of course, I would also greatly appreciate any input on TheChronicler ^^
Because I want to hear what he have to say before I decide if I want to lynch him or not.
Right now I don't feel sandroba is demonstrating qualitys I would expect from a town sandroba.
This might be because he is genuinely busy or just bloody arrogant or scum. Either was right now I want to hear from him, there is time.
Chronicler
I didn't like his initial plan in the terms of that I didn't agree with it. On the other hand "IF" he is town I don't feel the plan was beneficial for the mafiateam either so from that perspective I can see what he was going for. A lot of people make up their own plans because they like the sense of leadership. I don't think his candidacy plan is alignment revealing.
I especially liked this post (clicky) from him, even more so in hindsight of syllos sucess.
I am slightly leaning town on him.
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Day 2 Lynch Count!
Sandroba (6): Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, Adam4167, goodkarma, risk.nuke, strongandbig
BioSC (0): Djodref
CaveJohnson (1): Djodref, phagga
TheChronicler (2): Djodref, Acrofales
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On November 24 2012 05:00 syllogism wrote:
I'm usually vary of interpreting contradictions as an indication of someone being mafia as that depends a lot on the person question, but that one seems pretty bad. He hasn't really done anything other than propose his bad plan. A lot of posts and no useful content at all.
so you now think he could be scum, having agreed with me earlier he was more likely town?
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On November 24 2012 04:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:50 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 04:36 phagga wrote:Z-BosonOn November 24 2012 03:52 Z-BosoN wrote:Phagga, I think you are missing the post he's responding to: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2012 02:45 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:36 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 02:28 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 02:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
@Chronicler: I think it's important to clear some stuff up and for that you will have to unsmurf.
I am very uncomfortable with you being a smurf, but playing like a noobie. If you are, in fact, a noobie hiding on a smurf (like we had in HRM) for TL reasons, claiming your identity will not suddenly set lights flashing everywhere. However, if you are someone acting as a misguided noobie as some hairbrained scheme, we need to know. Just like I told marv, I won't be unsmurfing. I'm alive and didn't take any damage, don't think I'm playing like a noob at all. Okay, so you're not picking the easy way out. Did you have some ulterior motive with your plan, or did you suggest it as a serious idea? The revised edition was my original plan but as I was posting it I got cute. Don't know why, that was bad. Was serious about the revised plan. I still think it was a good idea, but if I'm the only one thinking that it must have been bad. Yes... and my million dollar question is how someone who is apparently fairly experienced in mafia could not see that this plan was bad. The main problem is that the rest of your play has been fairly standard. You're not ranting like a maniac, like Risen or Bluelightz, and you're not derping it up with crazy logic like BM. Which means you *should* have been able to see how bad that plan was. And that is what's bugging me. Because if you knew how bad the plan was, then there is no town motivation for posting it. And that's why I want to know your identity. If you are prone to derps like thinking that that plan was good, then you might be town, but otherwise I can only see scum motivations for posting that. Now, lets move on to the other stuff Djodref pointed out: explain your vote for Syllo. Acrofales asked him to explain his vote on syllo. So I come reading his post expecting an answer to that. And the FIRST think he said is he doesn't believe in giving out town reads. To me that's a straight reference to supporting syllo, because syllo was also against giving out the town members he was gonna choose. I don't think he's referring to "town reads in general", because that makes no fucking sense to what acrofales had just asked him. On November 24 2012 03:21 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:05 Z-BosoN wrote:Wtf... I had you marked as townie, but this post right here just killed that. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can.
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer.
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost?
5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. So just like that you agreed your post was stupid? Did you put any amount of thought into your plan, to be so easily convinced? Also, from a townie perspective, you'd want to choose a plan that was most similar to yours, no? And really, just look at point number 1). IN NO WAY is that the complete opposite of what syllo suggested:The only way me providing information regarding my picks gives you more information is if mafia decides to fight harder against my election due to my team being all town. I don't find it particularly likely that mafia would have behaved any differently today, unless perhaps if I had revealed my team much earlier. Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand. It's clear that he is also not revealing his town reads. You now say you play for nearly a year, which makes your plan even more wtf. One year is nowhere close to being a newbie, which was why I had you as town. You have some real explaining to do, this post here stinks. I am completely confused by the bolded part. Number 1.) talks about him not givin townreads in general, which has nothing to do with his plan or syllo. His plan was to chose 3 people who would then chose the 3 people for the party. The 3 people he choses may very well be town, as he indicates for example here, and since he has to publicly call them out for them to make their picks, that would be him revealing his town reads. Are you buying this then? Oh well, my read was wrong, ergo I'm gonna go the complete opposite. I mean just look at these posts: On November 21 2012 12:47 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:45 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 12:42 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:41 marvellosity wrote:
i wonder how long we can discuss this infinitely awful idea for. Respond to my modified version? if i'm leader and i choose my strongest 3 townreads, why the fuck do I want people who aren't strong reads on my team? I chose those 3 people for a reason. People will be discussing who should potentially be in any party anyway. No-one is prevented from doing this, so giving them some arbitrary power to choose doesn't add anything. When it comes down to it, you want the 4 people likeliest to be townie in the party.
Again, what if the leader is scum.... On November 21 2012 12:56 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:49 marvellosity wrote:
then we make sure we don't elect a scum person.
can't be that hard to make just one or two very likely town reads, no? ^^ I figured I'd add in a system that got us as much information as possible. I never expected to be elected since I'm on a smurf, but I really wanted my idea to be used because I think there's a good enough chance we don't get a townie elected (I've lynched enough townies d1 not to be overly confident in my d1 reads) On November 21 2012 12:46 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:You are really not making sense Chronicler..
leader chooses three > three choose 3 others, can't choose themselves
Leader will want to choose people who he has certain reads on, since he will want the event to succeed, and those three will want to choose someone they have a certain read on.
So the leader has to crapshoot 3 people that he thinks will pick town players? This just makes it harder to complete the task successfully. Also, as Prome already pointed out, 1 mafia may cause the party to fail and since 3 people are picking 3 other people, it is more likely that they will pick a scum... So... what if the leader is scum and we do it your guys' way? I even said if I'm not elected I want the person elected to use my way of doing it. I think we have better odds if we spread the party choice amongst more people than if we have it rest with a single person. Does this look like someone who thinks weakly of his idea, do you honestly think that when reading this? Does this come to you as "a vet who thinks weakly of his own plan?" Definitely no. He completely 180's on it, as if he was insecure all along, and goes ahead and votes syllo without much explanation. If he had genuinely thought that which he just said (i.e that he was gonna 180 on his thinking and vote for the complete opposite), why the hell didn't he say so when voting for syllo: On November 22 2012 03:42 TheChronicler wrote:
I'm going to place my vote on syllo. Cave seems to be pushing syllo as someone who can't be elected because he's "taken himself out" when he's a very viable candidate. I'm driving to California, and won't be back in the thread for a good 12 hours. I will try to keep up with the thread on my phone, though. Just don't expect your questions to be answered until I get to my parents' place tonight. I don't know. I'd expect this from someone completely new and trying to figure shit out. He says he's played for a year and this just kills it for me. He's not making any sense and his tone when proposing his plan was definitely not that of insecurity. Until marv or syllo, who had townreads on him explain how the hell is his explanation of things "townie" at all. Newbie card cannot be used anymore and his latest explanation on syllo just stinks. ##Vote TheChronicle Ok, for me, this post: On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can.
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer.
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost?
5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. Was an Answer to this post: On November 24 2012 02:39 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 02:27 TheChronicler wrote:
I also like how I'm the scrub smurf and draz is just sitting up the thread. Are you going to be here for a while ? I would appreciate you to address my case and answer my questions and stuff ^^ 1. I would like you to explain me why iamp should not have stated that Dieno was a town read 2. I would like you to tell me about your experience on playing mafia on forums. 3. I would really appreciate you to explain me how you could vote for syllo with his platform. 4. And I think we also have to discuss about the real goal of your plan. I also want to know what was the "information" you were talking about and how town could have used it. 5. What the fuck were the "certain reads" ? Also, he did make general statements regarding not giving out town reads like these: On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 13:32 iamperfection wrote:
also by the way i have a town read on Dienosore no nooby scum gonna come in here like that. Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game? On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 13:55 iamperfection wrote:is it scummy to say what i think? It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go. That's why I got confused. However, seeing Acrofales post later on makes it more clear where the contradiction is: With is plan, not only would he give out town reads (which is acceptable since he has to make a party of four), but his picks will put out town reads as well, and that should be something he would want to avoid if he seems so keen on keeping the amount of townreads low. Tl;dr, I understand now. Oh, you are definitely right, I missed that post by djodref, and was thinking it was a response to acros. Due to that I flipped and read his filter and noticed how badly his story pans out. Anyways, the posts acro and djodref made afterwards are extremely damning and show exactly how TC is unable to keep his story straight. He's unclear on wth he expects from his leader. It's incredibly suspicious how he has gone AWOL right now as well. Yep, that guy's scum. Well, he did say he was on his phone and his battery was dying. But I think he's scum without holding circumstantial stuff like that against him.
Ugh, I really need to be more attentive today. Just came back from a PDE exam and, whoever knows what I'm talking about knows how badly my head is spinning right now lol.
@GK I see. I get this line of thought with a Frog claim, but be aware that mafia also most likely have fakeclaims available. Also, what do you think of TheChronicle?
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On November 24 2012 05:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:00 syllogism wrote:
I'm usually vary of interpreting contradictions as an indication of someone being mafia as that depends a lot on the person question, but that one seems pretty bad. He hasn't really done anything other than propose his bad plan. A lot of posts and no useful content at all. so you now think he could be scum, having agreed with me earlier he was more likely town?
I agree that the plan he proposed seemed towny and some of his reactions feel genuine, but his content and that contradiction point the other way. I don't think he is the best lynch today, however.
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On November 24 2012 05:10 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:07 marvellosity wrote:On November 24 2012 05:00 syllogism wrote:
I'm usually vary of interpreting contradictions as an indication of someone being mafia as that depends a lot on the person question, but that one seems pretty bad. He hasn't really done anything other than propose his bad plan. A lot of posts and no useful content at all. so you now think he could be scum, having agreed with me earlier he was more likely town? I agree that the plan he proposed seemed towny and some of his reactions feel genuine, but his content and that contradiction point the other way. I don't think he is the best lynch today, however.
Syllo, what do you feel about adam?
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Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo
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On November 24 2012 05:01 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:09 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 02:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 24 2012 00:47 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 00:16 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 23:43 Djodref wrote:
I might have sounded angry but I honestly think that this sandroba wagon is pretty stupid. Nobody really brings an original argument and is sheeping syllo ">50% chance that sandro is mafia" and/or basically lynching a lurker with contributions.
It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all.
For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude !
FoS risk.nuke "without giving any alternatives"... Do you understand that bringing up alternatives would completely contradict the very reason I parked my vote on sandroba. The point was to build pressure to force him into activity. Saying, I'm parking my vote on sandroba but if he doesn't show up I'm going to vote this guy is just... dumb doesn't even suffice. @risk.nukeWell, obviously it didn't work because sandro is supposedly sleeping now. What do you plan to do now ? Play the waiting game. @risk.nukePlay the waiting game ? On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote:
*snip*
I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak.
We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play.
We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies.
This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination.
Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays.
##Vote: Sandroba @risk.nukeObviously, you know sandroba a little. Could you explain me why you feel like playing the waiting game with sandro is a good idea for today ? He explicitly told us that he was going to get busy this week-end Why couldn't you share a little more about what you think of sandroba so far while we're waiting ? Of course, I would also greatly appreciate any input on TheChronicler ^^ Because I want to hear what he have to say before I decide if I want to lynch him or not. Right now I don't feel sandroba is demonstrating qualitys I would expect from a town sandroba. This might be because he is genuinely busy or just bloody arrogant or scum. Either was right now I want to hear from him, there is time. Chronicler I didn't like his initial plan in the terms of that I didn't agree with it. On the other hand "IF" he is town I don't feel the plan was beneficial for the mafiateam either so from that perspective I can see what he was going for. A lot of people make up their own plans because they like the sense of leadership. I don't think his candidacy plan is alignment revealing. I especially liked this post (clicky) from him, even more so in hindsight of syllos sucess. I am slightly leaning town on him.
@risk.nuke
That's analysis after the fact. At this time, there was no reliable way for us to know if syllo was town or not.
Speaking for myself, I've been deciding this after a careful analysis of his posts and I've decided that I should take the risk of voting him. I'm talking about a risk here because he didn't want to reveal his party beforehand, which is something I liked. And that's something TheChronicler shouldn't have liked, given his campaign platform.
TheChronicler looked very afraid to vote a scum as a party leader and his plan was all about getting "information". Hence, his vote on syllo doesn't make any sense from a town TheChronicler perspective. In fact, the whole story of a town TheChronicler which wanted to be elected on a bad idea doesn't make sense. Hence, scum.
Further thoughts ?
By the way, your vote on sandroba is useless...
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On November 24 2012 05:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:00 syllogism wrote:
I'm usually vary of interpreting contradictions as an indication of someone being mafia as that depends a lot on the person question, but that one seems pretty bad. He hasn't really done anything other than propose his bad plan. A lot of posts and no useful content at all. so you now think he could be scum, having agreed with me earlier he was more likely town?
yea I found this pretty intriguing. It's not like at the time of the town read he wasn't already being useless and providing little to no content.
Also, this reminds me. What is it that you want to hear from TC? It's not like there is much room for misinterpretation on what he said - it's irrefutably a contradiction. Do you think this makes him scum or no? Especially now, considering that he's not a new player.
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On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo
I agree with that, you didn't say that people should chose town reads. You said they should chose people on which they have "certain reads on"...
Care to expand on that ?
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On November 24 2012 04:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:33 kitaman27 wrote:On November 24 2012 04:28 syllogism wrote:On November 24 2012 04:19 kitaman27 wrote:On November 24 2012 04:09 syllogism wrote:
I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle. Considering I have to submit a lynch guess tonight or else I receive a huge chunk of damage, it really would be nice if you would be able to take tomorrow off instead  Also, I've been pulled into watching an awful family movie. Looks like I'll be posting in a couple hours XD That's pretty annoying. When do you have to send the answer in? It doesn't sound like a mafia ability to me I have 24 hours from the last day post, so about 4.5 hours. If its not a mafia ability, then the player responsible should be claiming and explaining why they are targeting me with it. Otherwise, if they are caught with it at a later point then they should be assumed anti-town. Be back as soon as I can. Assuming you're town, of course... One thing I am not liking about this whole ordeal is that you are winging a lot about it, rather than hunt scum. Someone pointed out that this should put a burr under your ass to scumhunt fast and get a clear lynch candidate. Now imho we have a clear lynch candidate, but you have posted 0 reads today. It is making me very uneasy, but I don't see a scum motivation for being apathetic in this situation either. You woke up, said you'd catch up and since then your contribution has been a QQ that Syllo is not posting scumreads. Post your own scumreads ffs.
@kita
I second Acro post. Your attitude is way too passive for someone whose integrity is at stake.
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On November 24 2012 05:13 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 24 2012 04:09 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 02:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 24 2012 00:47 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 00:16 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 23:43 Djodref wrote:
I might have sounded angry but I honestly think that this sandroba wagon is pretty stupid. Nobody really brings an original argument and is sheeping syllo ">50% chance that sandro is mafia" and/or basically lynching a lurker with contributions.
It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all.
For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude !
FoS risk.nuke "without giving any alternatives"... Do you understand that bringing up alternatives would completely contradict the very reason I parked my vote on sandroba. The point was to build pressure to force him into activity. Saying, I'm parking my vote on sandroba but if he doesn't show up I'm going to vote this guy is just... dumb doesn't even suffice. @risk.nukeWell, obviously it didn't work because sandro is supposedly sleeping now. What do you plan to do now ? Play the waiting game. @risk.nukePlay the waiting game ? On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote:
*snip*
I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak.
We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play.
We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies.
This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination.
Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays.
##Vote: Sandroba @risk.nukeObviously, you know sandroba a little. Could you explain me why you feel like playing the waiting game with sandro is a good idea for today ? He explicitly told us that he was going to get busy this week-end Why couldn't you share a little more about what you think of sandroba so far while we're waiting ? Of course, I would also greatly appreciate any input on TheChronicler ^^ Because I want to hear what he have to say before I decide if I want to lynch him or not. Right now I don't feel sandroba is demonstrating qualitys I would expect from a town sandroba. This might be because he is genuinely busy or just bloody arrogant or scum. Either was right now I want to hear from him, there is time. Chronicler I didn't like his initial plan in the terms of that I didn't agree with it. On the other hand "IF" he is town I don't feel the plan was beneficial for the mafiateam either so from that perspective I can see what he was going for. A lot of people make up their own plans because they like the sense of leadership. I don't think his candidacy plan is alignment revealing. I especially liked this post (clicky) from him, even more so in hindsight of syllos sucess. I am slightly leaning town on him. @risk.nukeThat's analysis after the fact. At this time, there was no reliable way for us to know if syllo was town or not. Speaking for myself, I've been deciding this after a careful analysis of his posts and I've decided that I should take the risk of voting him. I'm talking about a risk here because he didn't want to reveal his party beforehand, which is something I liked. And that's something TheChronicler shouldn't have liked, given his campaign platform. TheChronicler looked very afraid to vote a scum as a party leader and his plan was all about getting "information". Hence, his vote on syllo doesn't make any sense from a town TheChronicler perspective. In fact, the whole story of a town TheChronicler which wanted to be elected on a bad idea doesn't make sense. Hence, scum. Further thoughts ? By the way, your vote on sandroba is useless...
We may not know for sure syllos alignment but as long as occams razor says syllo is town then that speaks in chronicles favor.
If my vote on sandroba is useless, is that why you're so attracted to it? Birds of a feather flock.
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On November 24 2012 05:12 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:10 syllogism wrote:On November 24 2012 05:07 marvellosity wrote:On November 24 2012 05:00 syllogism wrote:
I'm usually vary of interpreting contradictions as an indication of someone being mafia as that depends a lot on the person question, but that one seems pretty bad. He hasn't really done anything other than propose his bad plan. A lot of posts and no useful content at all. so you now think he could be scum, having agreed with me earlier he was more likely town? I agree that the plan he proposed seemed towny and some of his reactions feel genuine, but his content and that contradiction point the other way. I don't think he is the best lynch today, however. Syllo, what do you feel about adam?
He has been useless. Nothing really stands out besides maybe him complaining about kita is trying to "ward of people from voting sandroba". At the time adam hadn't mentioned sandro before and presumably wasn't supporting him for party leader. That's a bit thin though and he shouldn't be a priority right now.
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On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo
On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
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Really, no contradiction? At all?
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Anyways, dipping out, gonna take a nap. May be back later on tonight.
Still waiting for syllo to comment on sand and the stupid wagon on him.
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On November 24 2012 05:20 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:12 risk.nuke wrote:On November 24 2012 05:10 syllogism wrote:On November 24 2012 05:07 marvellosity wrote:On November 24 2012 05:00 syllogism wrote:
I'm usually vary of interpreting contradictions as an indication of someone being mafia as that depends a lot on the person question, but that one seems pretty bad. He hasn't really done anything other than propose his bad plan. A lot of posts and no useful content at all. so you now think he could be scum, having agreed with me earlier he was more likely town? I agree that the plan he proposed seemed towny and some of his reactions feel genuine, but his content and that contradiction point the other way. I don't think he is the best lynch today, however. Syllo, what do you feel about adam? He has been useless. Nothing really stands out besides maybe him complaining about kita is trying to "ward of people from voting sandroba". At the time adam hadn't mentioned sandro before and presumably wasn't supporting him for party leader. That's a bit thin though and he shouldn't be a priority right now.
Yes he has been useless, so have other players but there is more then that. He feels completely inactive. Even when he posts his posts never feel like they are going anywhere and he doesn't follow them up.
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On November 24 2012 05:20 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:13 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 05:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 24 2012 04:09 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 02:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 24 2012 00:47 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 00:16 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 23:43 Djodref wrote:
I might have sounded angry but I honestly think that this sandroba wagon is pretty stupid. Nobody really brings an original argument and is sheeping syllo ">50% chance that sandro is mafia" and/or basically lynching a lurker with contributions.
It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all.
For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude !
FoS risk.nuke "without giving any alternatives"... Do you understand that bringing up alternatives would completely contradict the very reason I parked my vote on sandroba. The point was to build pressure to force him into activity. Saying, I'm parking my vote on sandroba but if he doesn't show up I'm going to vote this guy is just... dumb doesn't even suffice. @risk.nukeWell, obviously it didn't work because sandro is supposedly sleeping now. What do you plan to do now ? Play the waiting game. @risk.nukePlay the waiting game ? On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote:
*snip*
I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak.
We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play.
We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies.
This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination.
Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays.
##Vote: Sandroba @risk.nukeObviously, you know sandroba a little. Could you explain me why you feel like playing the waiting game with sandro is a good idea for today ? He explicitly told us that he was going to get busy this week-end Why couldn't you share a little more about what you think of sandroba so far while we're waiting ? Of course, I would also greatly appreciate any input on TheChronicler ^^ Because I want to hear what he have to say before I decide if I want to lynch him or not. Right now I don't feel sandroba is demonstrating qualitys I would expect from a town sandroba. This might be because he is genuinely busy or just bloody arrogant or scum. Either was right now I want to hear from him, there is time. Chronicler I didn't like his initial plan in the terms of that I didn't agree with it. On the other hand "IF" he is town I don't feel the plan was beneficial for the mafiateam either so from that perspective I can see what he was going for. A lot of people make up their own plans because they like the sense of leadership. I don't think his candidacy plan is alignment revealing. I especially liked this post (clicky) from him, even more so in hindsight of syllos sucess. I am slightly leaning town on him. @risk.nukeThat's analysis after the fact. At this time, there was no reliable way for us to know if syllo was town or not. Speaking for myself, I've been deciding this after a careful analysis of his posts and I've decided that I should take the risk of voting him. I'm talking about a risk here because he didn't want to reveal his party beforehand, which is something I liked. And that's something TheChronicler shouldn't have liked, given his campaign platform. TheChronicler looked very afraid to vote a scum as a party leader and his plan was all about getting "information". Hence, his vote on syllo doesn't make any sense from a town TheChronicler perspective. In fact, the whole story of a town TheChronicler which wanted to be elected on a bad idea doesn't make sense. Hence, scum. Further thoughts ? By the way, your vote on sandroba is useless... We may not know for sure syllos alignment but as long as occams razor says syllo is town then that speaks in chronicles favor. If my vote on sandroba is useless, is that why you're so attracted to it? Birds of a feather flock.
I would like you to sheep less and give your own reasoning for your vote on sandroba. Do you really think he could be scum and why ? And don't tell me syllo said this, syllo said that...
Do you expect syllo to solve the game for you ? What if he is scum ?
I don't like you having your vote on sandroba for a "pressure vote" when this pressure has already failed. Sandroba has acknowledged the wagon and has just said he was going to lurk some more. Right now, your vote is just a policy vote and you are not shining for your activity neither. Or you could give more reasoning for your vote. Do you see my point now ?
Give us your own thoughts for a change
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