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I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle.
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On November 24 2012 04:03 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:57 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 03:55 Toadesstern wrote:On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded. nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1. Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked. Why are you discarding Kita and GK in that case? because neither of them were a serious the first 30hours.
That is patently false. GK made himself candidate before Syllo did. Insofar as I recall Kita did too, or at worst just afterwards. While completely and utterly ignored by the thread, they did put forward a plan and voiced their intention to become leader. Them not gathering momentum doesn't seem to be a good criteria at all. Sandroba and Syllogism will always gather votes simply by being who they are.
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On November 24 2012 04:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
![[image loading]](http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/837/f64/b8f/resized/da-fuck-meme-generator-da-fuck-297845.jpg) I want an answer to this in particular. Stating you don't like giving out townreads as it gives scum targets when your plan was for people to give townreads to other people to give townreads for yet more people doesn't make sense. Explain, TheChronicler.
Oooh, posting pictures of Marv brings him back to the thread! 
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
Saying I look like that is worse than calling me scum.
:<
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On November 24 2012 04:13 marvellosity wrote:
Saying I look like that is worse than calling me scum.
:<
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 24 2012 04:09 syllogism wrote:
I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle.
Considering I have to submit a lynch guess tonight or else I receive a huge chunk of damage, it really would be nice if you would be able to take tomorrow off instead 
Also, I've been pulled into watching an awful family movie. Looks like I'll be posting in a couple hours XD
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
IDK if I'm town, but I win with town.
As for GK, he's popped up a couple times on my map, but the squigglies protruding and intruding his bubble are too varied for any reliable read right now. I havn't specifically examined him yet, so idk. My earlier leanings was scum, mostly because he attacked my credibility a few times for no real reason. Also, his demeanor was setting off some flags, but as many of you kindly have pointed out english isnt his first language.
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On November 24 2012 04:19 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:09 syllogism wrote:
I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle. Considering I have to submit a lynch guess tonight or else I receive a huge chunk of damage, it really would be nice if you would be able to take tomorrow off instead Also, I've been pulled into watching an awful family movie. Looks like I'll be posting in a couple hours XD
On a scale from 1 to 10, how bad for town is it if you take 200 damage?
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On November 24 2012 04:20 Dienosore wrote:
IDK if I'm town, but I win with town.
As for GK, he's popped up a couple times on my map, but the squigglies protruding and intruding his bubble are too varied for any reliable read right now. I havn't specifically examined him yet, so idk. My earlier leanings was scum, mostly because he attacked my credibility a few times for no real reason. Also, his demeanor was setting off some flags, but as many of you kindly have pointed out english isnt his first language.
That was Zbo. Insofar as I know, GK is from the US of A!
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Also, I just wanted your textual analysis of his verb use and pronoun placements. If you want to include squiggly lines, you can, but I was particularly interested in your analysis of his language.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 24 2012 04:20 Dienosore wrote:
IDK if I'm town, but I win with town.
As for GK, he's popped up a couple times on my map, but the squigglies protruding and intruding his bubble are too varied for any reliable read right now. I havn't specifically examined him yet, so idk. My earlier leanings was scum, mostly because he attacked my credibility a few times for no real reason. Also, his demeanor was setting off some flags, but as many of you kindly have pointed out english isnt his first language.
No, that was Djodref. Get yourself together and make a proper analysis on GK.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 24 2012 04:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:19 kitaman27 wrote:On November 24 2012 04:09 syllogism wrote:
I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle. Considering I have to submit a lynch guess tonight or else I receive a huge chunk of damage, it really would be nice if you would be able to take tomorrow off instead Also, I've been pulled into watching an awful family movie. Looks like I'll be posting in a couple hours XD On a scale from 1 to 10, how bad for town is it if you take 200 damage?
Lynching the correct person takes priority. I'll live, but I would be that much closer to being able to be picked off.
Unless someone wants to claim using this ability, we should assume its coming from an anti-town source. If we can narrow down our lynch target today, it would be nice to limit what seems to be about 20% of their damage output.
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On November 24 2012 04:10 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 24 2012 03:57 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 03:55 Toadesstern wrote:On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded. nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1. Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked. Why are you discarding Kita and GK in that case? because neither of them were a serious the first 30hours. That is patently false. GK made himself candidate before Syllo did. Insofar as I recall Kita did too, or at worst just afterwards. While completely and utterly ignored by the thread, they did put forward a plan and voiced their intention to become leader. Them not gathering momentum doesn't seem to be a good criteria at all. Sandroba and Syllogism will always gather votes simply by being who they are.
The point I made is that until the 30hour mark I had more votes than both of them and I only had 2 votes on me...
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On November 24 2012 04:19 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:09 syllogism wrote:
I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle. Considering I have to submit a lynch guess tonight or else I receive a huge chunk of damage, it really would be nice if you would be able to take tomorrow off instead Also, I've been pulled into watching an awful family movie. Looks like I'll be posting in a couple hours XD
That's pretty annoying. When do you have to send the answer in? It doesn't sound like a mafia ability to me
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 24 2012 04:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:20 Dienosore wrote:
IDK if I'm town, but I win with town.
As for GK, he's popped up a couple times on my map, but the squigglies protruding and intruding his bubble are too varied for any reliable read right now. I havn't specifically examined him yet, so idk. My earlier leanings was scum, mostly because he attacked my credibility a few times for no real reason. Also, his demeanor was setting off some flags, but as many of you kindly have pointed out english isnt his first language.
No, that was Djodref. Get yourself together and make a proper analysis on GK.
Sry, mistake. I'm still working on mapping things out, then im going to crossreference.
I will say, though, that you have quickly popped up on the second map and are starting to collect some heat marv. It could just be your playstyle to be accusatory towards lots of people, or idk, but for some reason you are drawing a lot of negative attention.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 24 2012 04:28 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:19 kitaman27 wrote:On November 24 2012 04:09 syllogism wrote:
I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle. Considering I have to submit a lynch guess tonight or else I receive a huge chunk of damage, it really would be nice if you would be able to take tomorrow off instead Also, I've been pulled into watching an awful family movie. Looks like I'll be posting in a couple hours XD That's pretty annoying. When do you have to send the answer in? It doesn't sound like a mafia ability to me
I have 24 hours from the last day post, so about 4.5 hours.
If its not a mafia ability, then the player responsible should be claiming and explaining why they are targeting me with it. Otherwise, if they are caught with it at a later point then they should be assumed anti-town.
Be back as soon as I can.
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Z-Boson
On November 24 2012 03:52 Z-BosoN wrote:Phagga, I think you are missing the post he's responding to: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2012 02:45 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:36 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 02:28 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 02:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
@Chronicler: I think it's important to clear some stuff up and for that you will have to unsmurf.
I am very uncomfortable with you being a smurf, but playing like a noobie. If you are, in fact, a noobie hiding on a smurf (like we had in HRM) for TL reasons, claiming your identity will not suddenly set lights flashing everywhere. However, if you are someone acting as a misguided noobie as some hairbrained scheme, we need to know. Just like I told marv, I won't be unsmurfing. I'm alive and didn't take any damage, don't think I'm playing like a noob at all. Okay, so you're not picking the easy way out. Did you have some ulterior motive with your plan, or did you suggest it as a serious idea? The revised edition was my original plan but as I was posting it I got cute. Don't know why, that was bad. Was serious about the revised plan. I still think it was a good idea, but if I'm the only one thinking that it must have been bad. Yes... and my million dollar question is how someone who is apparently fairly experienced in mafia could not see that this plan was bad. The main problem is that the rest of your play has been fairly standard. You're not ranting like a maniac, like Risen or Bluelightz, and you're not derping it up with crazy logic like BM. Which means you *should* have been able to see how bad that plan was. And that is what's bugging me. Because if you knew how bad the plan was, then there is no town motivation for posting it. And that's why I want to know your identity. If you are prone to derps like thinking that that plan was good, then you might be town, but otherwise I can only see scum motivations for posting that. Now, lets move on to the other stuff Djodref pointed out: explain your vote for Syllo. Acrofales asked him to explain his vote on syllo. So I come reading his post expecting an answer to that. And the FIRST think he said is he doesn't believe in giving out town reads. To me that's a straight reference to supporting syllo, because syllo was also against giving out the town members he was gonna choose. I don't think he's referring to "town reads in general", because that makes no fucking sense to what acrofales had just asked him. On November 24 2012 03:21 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:05 Z-BosoN wrote:Wtf... I had you marked as townie, but this post right here just killed that. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can.
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer.
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost?
5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. So just like that you agreed your post was stupid? Did you put any amount of thought into your plan, to be so easily convinced? Also, from a townie perspective, you'd want to choose a plan that was most similar to yours, no? And really, just look at point number 1). IN NO WAY is that the complete opposite of what syllo suggested:The only way me providing information regarding my picks gives you more information is if mafia decides to fight harder against my election due to my team being all town. I don't find it particularly likely that mafia would have behaved any differently today, unless perhaps if I had revealed my team much earlier. Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand. It's clear that he is also not revealing his town reads. You now say you play for nearly a year, which makes your plan even more wtf. One year is nowhere close to being a newbie, which was why I had you as town. You have some real explaining to do, this post here stinks. I am completely confused by the bolded part. Number 1.) talks about him not givin townreads in general, which has nothing to do with his plan or syllo. His plan was to chose 3 people who would then chose the 3 people for the party. The 3 people he choses may very well be town, as he indicates for example here, and since he has to publicly call them out for them to make their picks, that would be him revealing his town reads. Are you buying this then? Oh well, my read was wrong, ergo I'm gonna go the complete opposite. I mean just look at these posts: On November 21 2012 12:47 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:45 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 12:42 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:41 marvellosity wrote:
i wonder how long we can discuss this infinitely awful idea for. Respond to my modified version? if i'm leader and i choose my strongest 3 townreads, why the fuck do I want people who aren't strong reads on my team? I chose those 3 people for a reason. People will be discussing who should potentially be in any party anyway. No-one is prevented from doing this, so giving them some arbitrary power to choose doesn't add anything. When it comes down to it, you want the 4 people likeliest to be townie in the party.
Again, what if the leader is scum.... On November 21 2012 12:56 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:49 marvellosity wrote:
then we make sure we don't elect a scum person.
can't be that hard to make just one or two very likely town reads, no? ^^ I figured I'd add in a system that got us as much information as possible. I never expected to be elected since I'm on a smurf, but I really wanted my idea to be used because I think there's a good enough chance we don't get a townie elected (I've lynched enough townies d1 not to be overly confident in my d1 reads) On November 21 2012 12:46 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:You are really not making sense Chronicler..
leader chooses three > three choose 3 others, can't choose themselves
Leader will want to choose people who he has certain reads on, since he will want the event to succeed, and those three will want to choose someone they have a certain read on.
So the leader has to crapshoot 3 people that he thinks will pick town players? This just makes it harder to complete the task successfully. Also, as Prome already pointed out, 1 mafia may cause the party to fail and since 3 people are picking 3 other people, it is more likely that they will pick a scum... So... what if the leader is scum and we do it your guys' way? I even said if I'm not elected I want the person elected to use my way of doing it. I think we have better odds if we spread the party choice amongst more people than if we have it rest with a single person. Does this look like someone who thinks weakly of his idea, do you honestly think that when reading this? Does this come to you as "a vet who thinks weakly of his own plan?" Definitely no. He completely 180's on it, as if he was insecure all along, and goes ahead and votes syllo without much explanation. If he had genuinely thought that which he just said (i.e that he was gonna 180 on his thinking and vote for the complete opposite), why the hell didn't he say so when voting for syllo: On November 22 2012 03:42 TheChronicler wrote:
I'm going to place my vote on syllo. Cave seems to be pushing syllo as someone who can't be elected because he's "taken himself out" when he's a very viable candidate. I'm driving to California, and won't be back in the thread for a good 12 hours. I will try to keep up with the thread on my phone, though. Just don't expect your questions to be answered until I get to my parents' place tonight. I don't know. I'd expect this from someone completely new and trying to figure shit out. He says he's played for a year and this just kills it for me. He's not making any sense and his tone when proposing his plan was definitely not that of insecurity. Until marv or syllo, who had townreads on him explain how the hell is his explanation of things "townie" at all. Newbie card cannot be used anymore and his latest explanation on syllo just stinks. ##Vote TheChronicle
Ok, for me, this post:
On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can.
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer.
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost?
5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip.
Was an Answer to this post:
On November 24 2012 02:39 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:27 TheChronicler wrote:
I also like how I'm the scrub smurf and draz is just sitting up the thread. Are you going to be here for a while ? I would appreciate you to address my case and answer my questions and stuff ^^ 1. I would like you to explain me why iamp should not have stated that Dieno was a town read  2. I would like you to tell me about your experience on playing mafia on forums. 3. I would really appreciate you to explain me how you could vote for syllo with his platform. 4. And I think we also have to discuss about the real goal of your plan. I also want to know what was the "information" you were talking about and how town could have used it. 5. What the fuck were the "certain reads" ?
Also, he did make general statements regarding not giving out town reads like these:
On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:32 iamperfection wrote:
also by the way i have a town read on Dienosore no nooby scum gonna come in here like that. Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game?
On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:55 iamperfection wrote:is it scummy to say what i think? It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go.
That's why I got confused. However, seeing Acrofales post later on makes it more clear where the contradiction is: With is plan, not only would he give out town reads (which is acceptable since he has to make a party of four), but his picks will put out town reads as well, and that should be something he would want to avoid if he seems so keen on keeping the amount of townreads low.
Tl;dr, I understand now.
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On November 24 2012 02:57 phagga wrote:Ok, now that I've gone through Goodkarma's filter, I know why I thought he might be scum. When you look through his filter, literally the first half of it he almost only talks about what town should do, what people should do (with the one exception of his very first ingame post). There is a ton of stuff that just does not bring town anywhere. He looks like he is contributing, but nothing is really helping town. Also, the tone of his posts seems so neutral, as if he was emotionally completely detached. This is probably what others described as "constructed", for me it is just strange because it seems he does not care at all. The best example for this is this post: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 00:01 goodkarma wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. I found this particular quote to be upsetting. I understand, on the one hand, if you have a town read on syllo. But I don't understand why you would be willing to go so far as to allow him to veto your picks. If you're not that confident in your choices, you should as well just have him pick for you... Or better yet, let him be party leader. As current "frontrunner" I would like a response from you on this scandal. Are you looking to concede and have syllo run in your stead, or was this merely an assertion that you are super-confident syllo is town? He says he is upset, and calls it a scandal, which means it must have pissed him off. Bbut the tone of the post does not feel this way, it rather sounds as if he actually does not care. Then, this post is an improvement. I actually liked that post from him, even if it was a bit long and overexplaining. But then he posted that he would have Sandroba on his team, and I was really confused by that. Afterwards, it seems back to the old ways for him. When I look at his posts from today, it is mostly defending himself, a vote and post to sandroba, that's it. Tl;dr: Too much fluff, a single scum read on the Bus of the day, looks emotionally detached. Now, it is possible that this is his normal way of playing/writing, I am not familiar with his meta. However, for the above reasons, Goodkarma stands on the scummy side for me. Goodkarma:I see you have voted Sandroba. Can you name me up to three other people you also find suspicious, and why? I don't need a whole case, a short explanation what you think is scum motivated in their play would suffice.
This is pretty interesting. GK is in fact detached as scum, as from his LVII filter, but I think that his much higher activity is fairly town-oriented, he's prodding around and asking questions. While he does seem detached and has taken the "lecturer tone", I don't see this necessarily be mafia-oriented, due to his activity.
After checking his filter, though, there is one thing that I don't really understand, and I would like him to answer this. He goes from:
A brief note on Dieno: He is playing so badly that many would consider him likely town, as newbie scum tend to play far more cautiously. However, the persistence and singlemindedness with which he's been pushing his campaign (even after repeatedly being warned) and shitting up the thread leaves enough doubt in my head to exclude him. As a newbie town trying to improve he would have changed his gameplan long ago, as a troll he would be more, well, trolly, and as a newbie who doesn't give a shit he would have given up. How he's been playing is just plain sad, to the point where I wonder if what he's been doing is deliberately anti-town as a scum. He most definitely could be town, but I would rather not take such a risk on such an unknown.
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On November 22 2012 21:49 goodkarma wrote:
Okay, I have finalized my team. It will be of an unusual composition (of the semi-lurker variety). Since mafia needs to influence party compositions in this game it is to their advantage to be proactive and not lurking. As such, I have chosen those I see as both pro-town and semi-lurking. These individuals I feel have been semi-lurking while contributing genuinely to the thread their own thoughts and opinions about the current game mechanics and other players. These are currently my strongest town reads.:
In no particular order:
1) Djo
2) phagga
3) dieno (only because dieno has made a role-claim I am inclined to cautiously believe...)
I will be around the next thirty minutes, and will review the thread briefly afterwards in about six hours. Please discuss any thoughts or concerns you have of these players before then.
Fairly quickly (in around 7 hours).
@goodkarma I would like to know what made you change your mind heavily on dienosore. I don't think that's very clear from your filter. You mention his roleclaim, so was that solely it? Please explain.
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On November 24 2012 04:36 phagga wrote:Z-BosonShow nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:52 Z-BosoN wrote:Phagga, I think you are missing the post he's responding to: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2012 02:45 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:36 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 02:28 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 02:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
@Chronicler: I think it's important to clear some stuff up and for that you will have to unsmurf.
I am very uncomfortable with you being a smurf, but playing like a noobie. If you are, in fact, a noobie hiding on a smurf (like we had in HRM) for TL reasons, claiming your identity will not suddenly set lights flashing everywhere. However, if you are someone acting as a misguided noobie as some hairbrained scheme, we need to know. Just like I told marv, I won't be unsmurfing. I'm alive and didn't take any damage, don't think I'm playing like a noob at all. Okay, so you're not picking the easy way out. Did you have some ulterior motive with your plan, or did you suggest it as a serious idea? The revised edition was my original plan but as I was posting it I got cute. Don't know why, that was bad. Was serious about the revised plan. I still think it was a good idea, but if I'm the only one thinking that it must have been bad. Yes... and my million dollar question is how someone who is apparently fairly experienced in mafia could not see that this plan was bad. The main problem is that the rest of your play has been fairly standard. You're not ranting like a maniac, like Risen or Bluelightz, and you're not derping it up with crazy logic like BM. Which means you *should* have been able to see how bad that plan was. And that is what's bugging me. Because if you knew how bad the plan was, then there is no town motivation for posting it. And that's why I want to know your identity. If you are prone to derps like thinking that that plan was good, then you might be town, but otherwise I can only see scum motivations for posting that. Now, lets move on to the other stuff Djodref pointed out: explain your vote for Syllo. Acrofales asked him to explain his vote on syllo. So I come reading his post expecting an answer to that. And the FIRST think he said is he doesn't believe in giving out town reads. To me that's a straight reference to supporting syllo, because syllo was also against giving out the town members he was gonna choose. I don't think he's referring to "town reads in general", because that makes no fucking sense to what acrofales had just asked him. On November 24 2012 03:21 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:05 Z-BosoN wrote:Wtf... I had you marked as townie, but this post right here just killed that. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can.
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer.
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost?
5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. So just like that you agreed your post was stupid? Did you put any amount of thought into your plan, to be so easily convinced? Also, from a townie perspective, you'd want to choose a plan that was most similar to yours, no? And really, just look at point number 1). IN NO WAY is that the complete opposite of what syllo suggested:The only way me providing information regarding my picks gives you more information is if mafia decides to fight harder against my election due to my team being all town. I don't find it particularly likely that mafia would have behaved any differently today, unless perhaps if I had revealed my team much earlier. Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand. It's clear that he is also not revealing his town reads. You now say you play for nearly a year, which makes your plan even more wtf. One year is nowhere close to being a newbie, which was why I had you as town. You have some real explaining to do, this post here stinks. I am completely confused by the bolded part. Number 1.) talks about him not givin townreads in general, which has nothing to do with his plan or syllo. His plan was to chose 3 people who would then chose the 3 people for the party. The 3 people he choses may very well be town, as he indicates for example here, and since he has to publicly call them out for them to make their picks, that would be him revealing his town reads. Are you buying this then? Oh well, my read was wrong, ergo I'm gonna go the complete opposite. I mean just look at these posts: On November 21 2012 12:47 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:45 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 12:42 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:41 marvellosity wrote:
i wonder how long we can discuss this infinitely awful idea for. Respond to my modified version? if i'm leader and i choose my strongest 3 townreads, why the fuck do I want people who aren't strong reads on my team? I chose those 3 people for a reason. People will be discussing who should potentially be in any party anyway. No-one is prevented from doing this, so giving them some arbitrary power to choose doesn't add anything. When it comes down to it, you want the 4 people likeliest to be townie in the party.
Again, what if the leader is scum.... On November 21 2012 12:56 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:49 marvellosity wrote:
then we make sure we don't elect a scum person.
can't be that hard to make just one or two very likely town reads, no? ^^ I figured I'd add in a system that got us as much information as possible. I never expected to be elected since I'm on a smurf, but I really wanted my idea to be used because I think there's a good enough chance we don't get a townie elected (I've lynched enough townies d1 not to be overly confident in my d1 reads) On November 21 2012 12:46 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:You are really not making sense Chronicler..
leader chooses three > three choose 3 others, can't choose themselves
Leader will want to choose people who he has certain reads on, since he will want the event to succeed, and those three will want to choose someone they have a certain read on.
So the leader has to crapshoot 3 people that he thinks will pick town players? This just makes it harder to complete the task successfully. Also, as Prome already pointed out, 1 mafia may cause the party to fail and since 3 people are picking 3 other people, it is more likely that they will pick a scum... So... what if the leader is scum and we do it your guys' way? I even said if I'm not elected I want the person elected to use my way of doing it. I think we have better odds if we spread the party choice amongst more people than if we have it rest with a single person. Does this look like someone who thinks weakly of his idea, do you honestly think that when reading this? Does this come to you as "a vet who thinks weakly of his own plan?" Definitely no. He completely 180's on it, as if he was insecure all along, and goes ahead and votes syllo without much explanation. If he had genuinely thought that which he just said (i.e that he was gonna 180 on his thinking and vote for the complete opposite), why the hell didn't he say so when voting for syllo: On November 22 2012 03:42 TheChronicler wrote:
I'm going to place my vote on syllo. Cave seems to be pushing syllo as someone who can't be elected because he's "taken himself out" when he's a very viable candidate. I'm driving to California, and won't be back in the thread for a good 12 hours. I will try to keep up with the thread on my phone, though. Just don't expect your questions to be answered until I get to my parents' place tonight. I don't know. I'd expect this from someone completely new and trying to figure shit out. He says he's played for a year and this just kills it for me. He's not making any sense and his tone when proposing his plan was definitely not that of insecurity. Until marv or syllo, who had townreads on him explain how the hell is his explanation of things "townie" at all. Newbie card cannot be used anymore and his latest explanation on syllo just stinks. ##Vote TheChronicle Ok, for me, this post: Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can.
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer.
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost?
5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. Was an Answer to this post: Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:39 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 02:27 TheChronicler wrote:
I also like how I'm the scrub smurf and draz is just sitting up the thread. Are you going to be here for a while ? I would appreciate you to address my case and answer my questions and stuff ^^ 1. I would like you to explain me why iamp should not have stated that Dieno was a town read 2. I would like you to tell me about your experience on playing mafia on forums. 3. I would really appreciate you to explain me how you could vote for syllo with his platform. 4. And I think we also have to discuss about the real goal of your plan. I also want to know what was the "information" you were talking about and how town could have used it. 5. What the fuck were the "certain reads" ? Also, he did make general statements regarding not giving out town reads like these: Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 13:32 iamperfection wrote:
also by the way i have a town read on Dienosore no nooby scum gonna come in here like that. Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game? Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 13:55 iamperfection wrote:is it scummy to say what i think? It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go. That's why I got confused. However, seeing Acrofales post later on makes it more clear where the contradiction is: With is plan, not only would he give out town reads (which is acceptable since he has to make a party of four), but his picks will put out town reads as well, and that should be something he would want to avoid if he seems so keen on keeping the amount of townreads low. Tl;dr, I understand now.
Oh, you are definitely right, I missed that post by djodref, and was thinking it was a response to acros. Due to that I flipped and read his filter and noticed how badly his story pans out.
Anyways, the posts acro and djodref made afterwards are extremely damning and show exactly how TC is unable to keep his story straight. He's unclear on wth he expects from his leader.
It's incredibly suspicious how he has gone AWOL right now as well.
Yep, that guy's scum.
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On November 24 2012 04:33 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:28 syllogism wrote:On November 24 2012 04:19 kitaman27 wrote:On November 24 2012 04:09 syllogism wrote:
I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle. Considering I have to submit a lynch guess tonight or else I receive a huge chunk of damage, it really would be nice if you would be able to take tomorrow off instead Also, I've been pulled into watching an awful family movie. Looks like I'll be posting in a couple hours XD That's pretty annoying. When do you have to send the answer in? It doesn't sound like a mafia ability to me I have 24 hours from the last day post, so about 4.5 hours. If its not a mafia ability, then the player responsible should be claiming and explaining why they are targeting me with it. Otherwise, if they are caught with it at a later point then they should be assumed anti-town. Be back as soon as I can.
Assuming you're town, of course...
One thing I am not liking about this whole ordeal is that you are winging a lot about it, rather than hunt scum. Someone pointed out that this should put a burr under your ass to scumhunt fast and get a clear lynch candidate. Now imho we have a clear lynch candidate, but you have posted 0 reads today. It is making me very uneasy, but I don't see a scum motivation for being apathetic in this situation either.
You woke up, said you'd catch up and since then your contribution has been a QQ that Syllo is not posting scumreads. Post your own scumreads ffs.
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