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On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
*colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better.
obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on.
Easy target as in he's new and fluffy.
Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum.
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On November 22 2012 02:22 Promethelax wrote:
You know catching up with this thread is a million times worse than I was hoping, remember how I said that I was toning down the amount which I am posting? Could you all do me a favour and consolidate too. Thanks.
After reading the last ~20 pages I have come to a conclusion as to who I want to vote. It isn't Sylo and it isn't Sand. Their abilities are, no doubt, incredible but I don't like the way Sand took over the thread early and no one challenged him. I feel that a mafia player would in fact have tried to take over. (Remember Matt's reed of Decundo in PP) as such I'll be voting away from the two of them and towards someone who I read as town right now and who is known for having good reads.
## Vote: Acro
Come on boys, lets do this right and make Sand have to fight for his nomination.
I'll be out again for a few hours. See ya'll soon.
I still expect some kind of a campaign with the intended party they'd choose. We're going to know what the party was from the next day post, so the leaders can't lie about it.
As for sand 'taking over'. We let him, because his scum play is supposed to be drastically different from his town play. You said you'd initially have taken marv on your team, and marv has voted syllo. Why isn't syllo a viable candidate for you to vote?
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On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
*colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum.
The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game.
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On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
*colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum. The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game.
The scum and Lavos need to die. You would potentially kill off power roles because they were new?
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On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
*colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum. The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game.
Excellent, more wanting to kill people for reasons that aren't that they are scum.
New and fluffy != scum (to use your construction) and we want to kill scum, dear.
Anything else?
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I'm not trying to accuse anyone with this post or anything, but are you guys even considering that sand may be aware of your meta reads on him and is playing as if he were towny to throw you all off?
Just seems strange so many people are blindly believing him to be towny based on past games
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On November 22 2012 02:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
*colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum. The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game. Excellent, more wanting to kill people for reasons that aren't that they are scum. New and fluffy != scum (to use your construction) and we want to kill scum, dear. Anything else?
No point killing scum if you can't kill Lavos
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On November 22 2012 02:39 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:38 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
*colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum. The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game. Excellent, more wanting to kill people for reasons that aren't that they are scum. New and fluffy != scum (to use your construction) and we want to kill scum, dear. Anything else? No point killing scum if you can't kill Lavos
What's that got to do with being new and fluffy?
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CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal.
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On November 22 2012 02:39 Dienosore wrote:
I'm not trying to accuse anyone with this post or anything, but are you guys even considering that sand may be aware of your meta reads on him and is playing as if he were towny to throw you all off?
Just seems strange so many people are blindly believing him to be towny based on past games
Who do you want to lead us today dienosore? Sandroba has demonstrated his abilities in past games, giving him that opportunity in this one makes sense.
As a side note, if a mission were to fail, I think we can safely assume scum was within the 4-man party that the leader chose.
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On November 22 2012 02:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:39 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:38 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
*colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum. The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game. Excellent, more wanting to kill people for reasons that aren't that they are scum. New and fluffy != scum (to use your construction) and we want to kill scum, dear. Anything else? No point killing scum if you can't kill Lavos What's that got to do with being new and fluffy?
New and fluffy are harder to read and likely to make mistakes. If they prove themselves to be town and competent somehow: Wonderful. However if they fail to do that they need to go down before the end game. So far I don't ever see the dinosaur changing and so he's on my needs to die list.
Before you call me an easy target again I am including myself in the needs to die before end game list since I'm smurfing.
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On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal.
Revealing my identity would be so destructive that I may as well have been a scum member. Its not happening.
I'll explain the reasoning next cycle.
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On November 22 2012 02:47 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal. Revealing my identity would be so destructive that I may as well have been a scum member. Its not happening. I'll explain the reasoning next cycle.
Right. In any case you have effectively made yourself completely useless and non-functional until you do so.
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On November 22 2012 02:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:47 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal. Revealing my identity would be so destructive that I may as well have been a scum member. Its not happening. I'll explain the reasoning next cycle. Right. In any case you have effectively made yourself completely useless and non-functional until you do so.
You know better than to ignore people as well.
Colour me disappointed.
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I would want ME to be the leader, of course. I realize I'm not running with any history, so I understand how that puts me at a disadvantage if you are trying to play it safe. However, I believe not having any track record in this situation is actually better, due to my campaign platform:
All I want is the first leader position. If elected, I will open up the party selection process to everyone by making a poll and taking the top three with me (I know i said two earlier; was an honest mistake). I will also have a poll for what to do for our first action.
I believe this is the best way to go about things, seeing as we have NO IDEA what is going to actually happen at the end of the first cycle. Once we have seen how the game is played, I will step down and let someone else have a turn as leader.
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Good god you people post too much while I'm sleeping.
On November 21 2012 21:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:37 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 13:31 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 13:25 Hapahauli wrote:
1) "I'm not going to vote marv unless I have a town read on him."
2) "I'm going to vote someone unless he's giving me a 'scummy vibe.'"
Those two statements mean very different things. The first expresses reservation - that you're not going to vote someone UNLESS you have a town read on them. The second expresses no hesitancy - that you're vote is determined unless marv shows you otherwise. Okay, I guess I see what you're getting at. Just poor wording on my part, I guess. But really, there is no "neutral" ground for me when it comes to marv. Either I believe that he is town, or he is giving off scummy vibes that give me pause. EBWOP: No, you know what. It wasn't poor wording. It's just you trying to poke holes where there aren't any. If marv isn't giving me scummy vibes, then I'm going to have a town read on him. If I have a town read on him, I will vote him today 100%. If Marv is a 3P, will you get "scummy vibes" from him? In fact, I doubt your ability to pick up scummy vibes from Marv at all on D1, regardless of Marv's alignment. I agree with Toad that this feels like a very cheap justification for parking your vote with no real justification at all. So explain to us all: Why do you think Marv is town unless he gives off scummy vibes? Am I town unless I give off scummy vibes? How about CaveJohnson (add other random unknown smurf here if you prefer)? What exactly constitutes a scummy vibe? I know Marv is rather notorious for hiding his scummy vibes really well. What makes you so confident that your long experience of playing with him let you find these scummy vibes?
Hmm, I didn't really think about third party. Just because you doubt my ability to pick up scummy vibes from him, doesn't mean that I can't. Just because you aren't comfortable reading him doesn't mean that I am. Maybe you should ask marv if he thinks I have a decent grasp of his game play? I've talked to him extensively about every game he's played since I started here.
Also, you should notice that I haven't parked my vote anywhere, not do I plan to vote marv anymore. In fact, marv doesn't even want to be leader at this point, which is actually a point against him. I would expect a town marv to want to be leader anyways, and not defer to "more capable" vets. He has, however, in the past told me basically the same things about his respect for sandro and syllo, so I don't think it necessarily makes him scummy, just less townie than I would expect from his posting.
And no, you or anyone else not giving off scummy vibes doesn't make you town. It makes marv town because I am familiar with his play, and believe I am capable of reading him correctly.
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On November 22 2012 02:51 Acrofales wrote:
Cave, are you Drazerk?
Nope keep guessing
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On November 22 2012 02:53 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:49 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:47 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal. Revealing my identity would be so destructive that I may as well have been a scum member. Its not happening. I'll explain the reasoning next cycle. Right. In any case you have effectively made yourself completely useless and non-functional until you do so. You know better than to ignore people as well. Colour me disappointed.
You are playing absolutely without a town agenda. In addition there is some promise for future explanation for your play.
The current, likely explanation is that you're scum playing with a scum agenda.
Until you start playing with the goal of killing scum and/or explain yourself, then yes you are effectively useless.
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On November 22 2012 01:41 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 01:34 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:34 risk.nuke wrote:
And speaking of old opinions. Acrofales, do you still advocate sending a team containing mostly vets. If not explain which reasons made you change your mind? Didn't I already answer that question? Oh yes. I remember. I did: On November 21 2012 20:45 Acrofales wrote:On November 21 2012 19:29 risk.nuke wrote:On November 21 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote:This is going to be so much fun. I finally made it into a greymist game  I am going to go out and assume that Lavos will be a game element and not a player, seeing as he will be "summoned" later in the game. So I am going to assume that the quests are to get to Lavos, and get any town advantages we can on the way (somewhat similar to Resistance mafia). My suggestion is thus to play this just like resistance mafia. Everybody suggests the party they will make if chosen as leader today and gives their reasons. This should be done by 12 hours (or maybe 6, given that it's day 1 and people still need to get going) before the deadline, giving people time to vote on their preferred party leader. To get the discussion started, I would currently choose Marv, Sandro and Syllo along: I know them, I know Sandro and Syllo work well together, and I know they are all good players. I have no clue what the quest will be, so bringing the best players simply seems prudent. However, as the day goes on this may change if I get clear scum reads on any of them. For Sandro and Syllo I feel a scumread is viable in D1. I don't think I can get a read on Marv in D1, but he's still more readable than Toad, who I would otherwise put in that spot. Acrofales, can you elaborate why you immediately wanted to pick Sandroba, Marv, Syllo to go? What did you think would be the benefits and risks of sending three of our best players? Not reading the thread already? I was under the impression (and still expect it to be a very real possibility), that a successful mission will give the party members benefits (items, mason chat, a level up, whatever) that will help us root out mafia and/or directly aid us in fighting Lavos. The best players in the game are naturally the best equipped to use such perks. That is, if they're town. Sandro brought up a good counterargument, and making scum choose between shooting likely party members and shooting experienced town players is a good policy. On that note, @Sandro: you have not explained why this policy is pretty much the complete opposite of your proposal in Holy Roman, where you (a veteran and likely target for scum kp) wanted yourself as emperor (and thus a likely target for scum kp) precisely because you are an experienced player. On a similar note, if we follow that logic through, Sandro should not be party leader. At the time, I was leaning Djoref, because I was feeling town on him, and sending a somewhat experienced town seemed better than veteran Sandro with 3 noobies. However, he says he cannot commit the time, leaving us with Sandro and Syllo. Iamperfection and Dino are unfortunately not serious candidates for me. Perfection is way too focused on people seeing him as town and not nearly focused enough on playing the game. Dino is fluffy. Talking about fluffy, where is BioSC? No you haven't answered the question. I know where you stand on the mission leader. You've said you endorse both sandroba and syllogism and voted sandroba. But for the rest of the party? Do you still think veterans should be selected by sandroba to go on the mission? Or should I take your vote on sandroba (who've hinted he intend to send less known players) that you no longer support that idea. And if so my question was why.
On November 21 2012 20:45 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 19:29 risk.nuke wrote:On November 21 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote:This is going to be so much fun. I finally made it into a greymist game I am going to go out and assume that Lavos will be a game element and not a player, seeing as he will be "summoned" later in the game. So I am going to assume that the quests are to get to Lavos, and get any town advantages we can on the way (somewhat similar to Resistance mafia). My suggestion is thus to play this just like resistance mafia. Everybody suggests the party they will make if chosen as leader today and gives their reasons. This should be done by 12 hours (or maybe 6, given that it's day 1 and people still need to get going) before the deadline, giving people time to vote on their preferred party leader. To get the discussion started, I would currently choose Marv, Sandro and Syllo along: I know them, I know Sandro and Syllo work well together, and I know they are all good players. I have no clue what the quest will be, so bringing the best players simply seems prudent. However, as the day goes on this may change if I get clear scum reads on any of them. For Sandro and Syllo I feel a scumread is viable in D1. I don't think I can get a read on Marv in D1, but he's still more readable than Toad, who I would otherwise put in that spot. Acrofales, can you elaborate why you immediately wanted to pick Sandroba, Marv, Syllo to go? What did you think would be the benefits and risks of sending three of our best players? Not reading the thread already? I was under the impression (and still expect it to be a very real possibility), that a successful mission will give the party members benefits (items, mason chat, a level up, whatever) that will help us root out mafia and/or directly aid us in fighting Lavos. The best players in the game are naturally the best equipped to use such perks. That is, if they're town. Sandro brought up a good counterargument, and making scum choose between shooting likely party members and shooting experienced town players is a good policy.On that note, @Sandro: you have not explained why this policy is pretty much the complete opposite of your proposal in Holy Roman, where you (a veteran and likely target for scum kp) wanted yourself as emperor (and thus a likely target for scum kp) precisely because you are an experienced player. On a similar note, if we follow that logic through, Sandro should not be party leader.
Made it big bold and blue, because you apparently can't read otherwise. It means I like Sandro's policy and agree that as long as town people are picked I don't mind them being newbs who may not be able to best use any potential rewards, because veterans could be too much of a target for scum KP in any case without heaping more on.
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