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On November 22 2012 01:11 kushm4sta wrote:
I actually don't care at all who is elected leader. I just said that shit before about making the scummiest leader because I wanted to contribute something unique.
Also to the people looking for scum meta: good luck with that. I haven't been scum for so long that I doubt looking at scum games is going to be helpful. If you really want to do meta research on me (which I don't recommend because reading my filters is something I would not wish on my worst enemy) I would look at my town filters and see if I'm matching those.
Right now I do not have a clue about scum reads or town reads. I have given this thread, at best, a skim, The problem is there is entirely too much spam about topics I think are irrelevant.
I wish we could just play this game like it was vanilla!
So you signed up for a *heavily* themed game where it was 100% obvious electing party leaders was a core component, yet you don't care about this and wish it was vanilla?
Why are you here?
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On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by.
I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern
You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation.
1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment.
2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game.
Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason.
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On November 22 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: syllogism
momentum gooooo
Getting your sheeples in line?
##vote Sandroba
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On November 22 2012 01:16 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: syllogism
momentum gooooo Getting your sheeples in line? ##vote Sandroba
Of course. Why sandroba over syllo then, darling?
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On November 22 2012 00:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
Sure why not. ##Vote: syllogism
Behhhhhh.
Why you voting for Syllo?
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On November 22 2012 01:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 01:16 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: syllogism
momentum gooooo Getting your sheeples in line? ##vote Sandroba Of course. Why sandroba over syllo then, darling?
No reason. Call me the black shh
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On November 22 2012 01:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 01:11 kushm4sta wrote:
I actually don't care at all who is elected leader. I just said that shit before about making the scummiest leader because I wanted to contribute something unique.
Also to the people looking for scum meta: good luck with that. I haven't been scum for so long that I doubt looking at scum games is going to be helpful. If you really want to do meta research on me (which I don't recommend because reading my filters is something I would not wish on my worst enemy) I would look at my town filters and see if I'm matching those.
Right now I do not have a clue about scum reads or town reads. I have given this thread, at best, a skim, The problem is there is entirely too much spam about topics I think are irrelevant.
I wish we could just play this game like it was vanilla! So you signed up for a *heavily* themed game where it was 100% obvious electing party leaders was a core component, yet you don't care about this and wish it was vanilla? Why are you here?
I'm here to hunt scum and win.
The theme is fine but I think it's a mistake to play into it too much.
Do people honestly think we lose if we don't pick town as our leaders?
I don't.
Kush's Plan Everyone Should Follow
First night it doesn't matter who we pick since we don't know the nature of the event.
Nights after, we pick the scummiest or towniest depending on what the first event is like.
In between we do normal scumhunting and ignore the theme.
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I am sheeping marv. I believe that whether marv is town or scum, the way he plays scum from what I've read is he tries to lie as little as possible. I think consolidating at the moment is important so people can stop focusing on townreads and focus on scumreads, and I don't have time to read 3-4 games of every player that is being nominated if I still want to contribute today.
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On November 22 2012 01:18 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 01:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 01:16 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: syllogism
momentum gooooo Getting your sheeples in line? ##vote Sandroba Of course. Why sandroba over syllo then, darling? No reason. Call me the black shh
Ok. Let it be known Acro is voting for sandroba basically because I'm voting for syllo.
A somewhat petulant way to play the game (even if you brush it aside jokingly)
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Now I have to get his filter again, thanks Acro..
Yes I dont know Toad, he was basically given a slot in the game so I assume that he is some what proficient in the game of mafia.
1. I dont think that a scum would start his OPENING post with a scumread.
2. I think that its hard to fake as scum because, it is likely that his scum team will have some newbies and what he said in his few paragraphs are how to see scum which I see as only being beneficial as town.
3. I am leaning town on him AT THE MOMENT because again, posts like this help to inform town not to let things like this happen.
On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by.
I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long.
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On November 22 2012 01:18 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 01:14 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 01:11 kushm4sta wrote:
I actually don't care at all who is elected leader. I just said that shit before about making the scummiest leader because I wanted to contribute something unique.
Also to the people looking for scum meta: good luck with that. I haven't been scum for so long that I doubt looking at scum games is going to be helpful. If you really want to do meta research on me (which I don't recommend because reading my filters is something I would not wish on my worst enemy) I would look at my town filters and see if I'm matching those.
Right now I do not have a clue about scum reads or town reads. I have given this thread, at best, a skim, The problem is there is entirely too much spam about topics I think are irrelevant.
I wish we could just play this game like it was vanilla! So you signed up for a *heavily* themed game where it was 100% obvious electing party leaders was a core component, yet you don't care about this and wish it was vanilla? Why are you here? I'm here to hunt scum and win. The theme is fine but I think it's a mistake to play into it too much. Do people honestly think we lose if we don't pick town as our leaders? I don't. Kush's Plan Everyone Should Follow First night it doesn't matter who we pick since we don't know the nature of the event. Nights after, we pick the scummiest or towniest depending on what the first event is like. In between we do normal scumhunting and ignore the theme.
it says right in the op the more town the better chance the event is a success. It then says not surprisingly that failure is bad. I don't think we are taking a leap here thinking the more town the better.
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On November 22 2012 01:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 01:18 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 01:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 01:16 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: syllogism
momentum gooooo Getting your sheeples in line? ##vote Sandroba Of course. Why sandroba over syllo then, darling? No reason. Call me the black shh Ok. Let it be known Acro is voting for sandroba basically because I'm voting for syllo. A somewhat petulant way to play the game (even if you brush it aside jokingly)
Okay. Fine.
I am voting for Sandroba, because I have no clear read on either of them yet. If anything, I think they are both town. I liked Syllo's response and I like Sandroba's opinion of it.
I feel Sandro is playing very similar to SSM mafia where he "sponsored" GMarshal in a very similar way. In that game he was town.
Given that I have a very similar read on both, I prefer Sandro to finally win an election, simply to see what he actually does when he wins.
In short: no real reason for Sandro over Syllo. Prefer either over any of the other current candidates.
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I'm going to spoil to you what he does, regardless of alignment. He picks 3 players, day post happens and then it's day 2 and we likely have a new decision to make. What else?
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On November 22 2012 00:34 risk.nuke wrote:
And speaking of old opinions. Acrofales, do you still advocate sending a team containing mostly vets. If not explain which reasons made you change your mind?
Didn't I already answer that question? Oh yes. I remember. I did:
On November 21 2012 20:45 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 19:29 risk.nuke wrote:On November 21 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote:This is going to be so much fun. I finally made it into a greymist game  I am going to go out and assume that Lavos will be a game element and not a player, seeing as he will be "summoned" later in the game. So I am going to assume that the quests are to get to Lavos, and get any town advantages we can on the way (somewhat similar to Resistance mafia). My suggestion is thus to play this just like resistance mafia. Everybody suggests the party they will make if chosen as leader today and gives their reasons. This should be done by 12 hours (or maybe 6, given that it's day 1 and people still need to get going) before the deadline, giving people time to vote on their preferred party leader. To get the discussion started, I would currently choose Marv, Sandro and Syllo along: I know them, I know Sandro and Syllo work well together, and I know they are all good players. I have no clue what the quest will be, so bringing the best players simply seems prudent. However, as the day goes on this may change if I get clear scum reads on any of them. For Sandro and Syllo I feel a scumread is viable in D1. I don't think I can get a read on Marv in D1, but he's still more readable than Toad, who I would otherwise put in that spot. Acrofales, can you elaborate why you immediately wanted to pick Sandroba, Marv, Syllo to go? What did you think would be the benefits and risks of sending three of our best players? Not reading the thread already? I was under the impression (and still expect it to be a very real possibility), that a successful mission will give the party members benefits (items, mason chat, a level up, whatever) that will help us root out mafia and/or directly aid us in fighting Lavos. The best players in the game are naturally the best equipped to use such perks. That is, if they're town. Sandro brought up a good counterargument, and making scum choose between shooting likely party members and shooting experienced town players is a good policy. On that note, @Sandro: you have not explained why this policy is pretty much the complete opposite of your proposal in Holy Roman, where you (a veteran and likely target for scum kp) wanted yourself as emperor (and thus a likely target for scum kp) precisely because you are an experienced player. On a similar note, if we follow that logic through, Sandro should not be party leader.
At the time, I was leaning Djoref, because I was feeling town on him, and sending a somewhat experienced town seemed better than veteran Sandro with 3 noobies. However, he says he cannot commit the time, leaving us with Sandro and Syllo.
Iamperfection and Dino are unfortunately not serious candidates for me. Perfection is way too focused on people seeing him as town and not nearly focused enough on playing the game. Dino is fluffy.
Talking about fluffy, where is BioSC?
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Acro, what do you think of my read on Toad?
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On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice.
No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants.
screw you. I am running as well.
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On November 22 2012 01:39 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice.
No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants. screw you. I am running as well.
Yay you are back.
What do you think about my case on Clarity?
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On November 22 2012 01:34 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 00:34 risk.nuke wrote:
And speaking of old opinions. Acrofales, do you still advocate sending a team containing mostly vets. If not explain which reasons made you change your mind? Didn't I already answer that question? Oh yes. I remember. I did: Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 20:45 Acrofales wrote:On November 21 2012 19:29 risk.nuke wrote:On November 21 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote:This is going to be so much fun. I finally made it into a greymist game I am going to go out and assume that Lavos will be a game element and not a player, seeing as he will be "summoned" later in the game. So I am going to assume that the quests are to get to Lavos, and get any town advantages we can on the way (somewhat similar to Resistance mafia). My suggestion is thus to play this just like resistance mafia. Everybody suggests the party they will make if chosen as leader today and gives their reasons. This should be done by 12 hours (or maybe 6, given that it's day 1 and people still need to get going) before the deadline, giving people time to vote on their preferred party leader. To get the discussion started, I would currently choose Marv, Sandro and Syllo along: I know them, I know Sandro and Syllo work well together, and I know they are all good players. I have no clue what the quest will be, so bringing the best players simply seems prudent. However, as the day goes on this may change if I get clear scum reads on any of them. For Sandro and Syllo I feel a scumread is viable in D1. I don't think I can get a read on Marv in D1, but he's still more readable than Toad, who I would otherwise put in that spot. Acrofales, can you elaborate why you immediately wanted to pick Sandroba, Marv, Syllo to go? What did you think would be the benefits and risks of sending three of our best players? Not reading the thread already? I was under the impression (and still expect it to be a very real possibility), that a successful mission will give the party members benefits (items, mason chat, a level up, whatever) that will help us root out mafia and/or directly aid us in fighting Lavos. The best players in the game are naturally the best equipped to use such perks. That is, if they're town. Sandro brought up a good counterargument, and making scum choose between shooting likely party members and shooting experienced town players is a good policy. On that note, @Sandro: you have not explained why this policy is pretty much the complete opposite of your proposal in Holy Roman, where you (a veteran and likely target for scum kp) wanted yourself as emperor (and thus a likely target for scum kp) precisely because you are an experienced player. On a similar note, if we follow that logic through, Sandro should not be party leader. At the time, I was leaning Djoref, because I was feeling town on him, and sending a somewhat experienced town seemed better than veteran Sandro with 3 noobies. However, he says he cannot commit the time, leaving us with Sandro and Syllo. Iamperfection and Dino are unfortunately not serious candidates for me. Perfection is way too focused on people seeing him as town and not nearly focused enough on playing the game. Dino is fluffy. Talking about fluffy, where is BioSC?
No you haven't answered the question. I know where you stand on the mission leader. You've said you endorse both sandroba and syllogism and voted sandroba. But for the rest of the party? Do you still think veterans should be selected by sandroba to go on the mission? Or should I take your vote on sandroba (who've hinted he intend to send less known players) that you no longer support that idea. And if so my question was why.
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On November 22 2012 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 01:39 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice.
No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants. screw you. I am running as well. Yay you are back. What do you think about my case on Clarity?
I haven't really read a thing yet up to what I just quoted. That means I'm having something like 8 pages to read right now and I'm checking those out as quickly as possible to get a quick idea of what's going on and once I'm done with that I'll read it in normal speed 
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