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On November 03 2012 13:00 Djodref wrote:@ CheeseI'm pretty sure that the following quote was totally serving your mafia agenda in the last game. But I guess I should better trust you because I don't really see why you should be dishonest right now about it. Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 13:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Holy meta argument Batbears. Are you saying that Dandel under pressure is basically = Kush in terms of meta? Let's take a look at the second one I don't know if you have seen Rad post or not before posting yours but I really felt that you were both accusing me of active lurking. Why the lolwut by the way ? What did you not understand in my comment ?
@Djo
The second part of the first quote isn't a joke. It's an analogy. Therefore it has nothing to do with anything.
The second quote: Pokemon reference, it means I think of you as a pokemon. Pokemon are innocent and cute; I'm not casting aspersions on you in the least. Yes, @obsQT I just mentioned pokemon.
We could go with this WIFOM crap all day. These "jokes" means absolutely nothing.
Are we seriously still talking about a failboat joke? Stop this incessant attempt to tunnel me--it bears no weight at all because it is probably one of the most subjective things one could possibly focus on. Especially since it's coming from another game entirely.
I declare this useless argument over *gavel slam*.
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On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch?
@ Clarity
Exactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy.
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On November 03 2012 13:06 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:48 debears wrote: Also answer my very important question to you @ debearsDid I answer your question ? I'm not sure which one you were talking about. I guessed it was the one about "why cheese and not me?" I need to go to attend a wedding at Souel Gardien Hoteal soon so I would like to know you have more questions.
Yeah that answered it. Go have fun at the wedding (I've never been to one but I've heard shit gets pretty wild at the reception...hellz yeah)
I can address you when you get back
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On November 03 2012 13:11 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch? @ ClarityExactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy.
seriously.....why are we having to explain this?
1) Scumhunt 2) Vote for your top scumread 3) When the voting comes down to 2 candidates and lynch is near, pick one of two said candidates and give reasoning why you're voting them
Is that clear enough for all of you to understand? Please stop talking about policy
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On November 03 2012 13:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:00 Djodref wrote:@ CheeseI'm pretty sure that the following quote was totally serving your mafia agenda in the last game. But I guess I should better trust you because I don't really see why you should be dishonest right now about it. On October 29 2012 13:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Holy meta argument Batbears. Are you saying that Dandel under pressure is basically = Kush in terms of meta? Let's take a look at the second one On October 28 2012 09:20 Rad wrote: Djo NOW YOU SHOW UP? On October 28 2012 09:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: A wild Djo appears? I don't know if you have seen Rad post or not before posting yours but I really felt that you were both accusing me of active lurking. Why the lolwut by the way ? What did you not understand in my comment ? @Djo The second part of the first quote isn't a joke. It's an analogy. Therefore it has nothing to do with anything. The second quote: Pokemon reference, it means I think of you as a pokemon. Pokemon are innocent and cute; I'm not casting aspersions on you in the least. Yes, @obsQT I just mentioned pokemon. We could go with this WIFOM crap all day. These "jokes" means absolutely nothing. Are we seriously still talking about a failboat joke? Stop this incessant attempt to tunnel me--it bears no weight at all because it is probably one of the most subjective things one could possibly focus on. Especially since it's coming from another game entirely. I declare this useless argument over *gavel slam*.
@ Cheese
I'll stop tunneling you when I'm satisfied with your answers. Why do you want us to stop discussing ? This discussion has derived from its original point to go something quite useless, I agree. My point is that you could have used these jokes to make me look bad. I know this was a pokemon reference but I think "a wild Djo appears" was implying active lurking, especially in the context of the thread, rather than implying that I was innocent as a pokemon.
My point is that jokes can be used by mafia to cast suspicion on a player without looking like you are doing it. It's a great tool used this way.
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@Obzy, Sylver, Dau0d
I expect you all to have contributed something meaningful to this thread by the time I've woken up tomorrow. If not, you're on my shitlist for d1
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On November 03 2012 13:22 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:11 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch? @ ClarityExactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy. seriously.....why are we having to explain this? 1) Scumhunt 2) Vote for your top scumread 3) When the voting comes down to 2 candidates and lynch is near, pick one of two said candidates and give reasoning why you're voting them Is that clear enough for all of you to understand? Please stop talking about policy
Because he mentioned it here:
On November 03 2012 12:13 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 12:02 Djodref wrote: It is confusing, especially when you are attacking the same guy over semantics just after your joke. It could be also a nice way to influence our read on debears while looking clean. I agree that he was making a joke but please consider the motivations for it.
Town motivations I don't see town motivations for making a joke about a scumtell
Mafia motivations Creates confusion and disturbs the thread. Allows to influence our read on debears while looking clean You also neglect to realize that my joke was in a RESPONSE to his joke. (I don't wear hats). You're really trying to dig where there is nothing. @ CheeseOk, you had motivations for doing this joke but it doesn't really help town while it could be done with mafia motivation. And, at least, I'm trying to dig something. Would you prefer me to discuss how we should use plurality lynch ?
Which got me curious what he had to say on the subject. Turns out the answer is nothing new. Which begs the question: Why did he mention it in the first place?
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On November 03 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 13:00 Djodref wrote:@ CheeseI'm pretty sure that the following quote was totally serving your mafia agenda in the last game. But I guess I should better trust you because I don't really see why you should be dishonest right now about it. On October 29 2012 13:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Holy meta argument Batbears. Are you saying that Dandel under pressure is basically = Kush in terms of meta? Let's take a look at the second one On October 28 2012 09:20 Rad wrote: Djo NOW YOU SHOW UP? On October 28 2012 09:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: A wild Djo appears? I don't know if you have seen Rad post or not before posting yours but I really felt that you were both accusing me of active lurking. Why the lolwut by the way ? What did you not understand in my comment ? @Djo The second part of the first quote isn't a joke. It's an analogy. Therefore it has nothing to do with anything. The second quote: Pokemon reference, it means I think of you as a pokemon. Pokemon are innocent and cute; I'm not casting aspersions on you in the least. Yes, @obsQT I just mentioned pokemon. We could go with this WIFOM crap all day. These "jokes" means absolutely nothing. Are we seriously still talking about a failboat joke? Stop this incessant attempt to tunnel me--it bears no weight at all because it is probably one of the most subjective things one could possibly focus on. Especially since it's coming from another game entirely. I declare this useless argument over *gavel slam*. @ CheeseI'll stop tunneling you when I'm satisfied with your answers. Why do you want us to stop discussing ? This discussion has derived from its original point to go something quite useless, I agree. My point is that you could have used these jokes to make me look bad. I know this was a pokemon reference but I think "a wild Djo appears" was implying active lurking, especially in the context of the thread, rather than implying that I was innocent as a pokemon. My point is that jokes can be used by mafia to cast suspicion on a player without looking like you are doing it. It's a great tool used this way.
Djo, if you are town, stop arguing over stupid points. You're wrong. Get over it
If you're mafia, keep arguing
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On November 03 2012 13:22 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:11 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch? @ ClarityExactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy. seriously.....why are we having to explain this? 1) Scumhunt 2) Vote for your top scumread 3) When the voting comes down to 2 candidates and lynch is near, pick one of two said candidates and give reasoning why you're voting them Is that clear enough for all of you to understand? Please stop talking about policy
@ debears
My point is that it would benefit us to consider more than 2 candidates for the lynch. Anyway it's too late to discuss about it now, I was just answering Clarity's question about it. By the way it's not policy, it's lynch mechanics
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On November 03 2012 13:25 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:22 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 13:11 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch? @ ClarityExactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy. seriously.....why are we having to explain this? 1) Scumhunt 2) Vote for your top scumread 3) When the voting comes down to 2 candidates and lynch is near, pick one of two said candidates and give reasoning why you're voting them Is that clear enough for all of you to understand? Please stop talking about policy Because he mentioned it here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:13 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 12:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 12:02 Djodref wrote: It is confusing, especially when you are attacking the same guy over semantics just after your joke. It could be also a nice way to influence our read on debears while looking clean. I agree that he was making a joke but please consider the motivations for it.
Town motivations I don't see town motivations for making a joke about a scumtell
Mafia motivations Creates confusion and disturbs the thread. Allows to influence our read on debears while looking clean You also neglect to realize that my joke was in a RESPONSE to his joke. (I don't wear hats). You're really trying to dig where there is nothing. @ CheeseOk, you had motivations for doing this joke but it doesn't really help town while it could be done with mafia motivation. And, at least, I'm trying to dig something. Would you prefer me to discuss how we should use plurality lynch ? Which got me curious what he had to say on the subject. Turns out the answer is nothing new. Which begs the question: Why did he mention it in the first place?
Clarity, I think it was meant to be read as more of this:
Do you want me to push something and try to get the thread going, or do you want me to talk about useless policy?
Would you agree with that?
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On November 03 2012 13:26 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:22 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 13:11 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch? @ ClarityExactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy. seriously.....why are we having to explain this? 1) Scumhunt 2) Vote for your top scumread 3) When the voting comes down to 2 candidates and lynch is near, pick one of two said candidates and give reasoning why you're voting them Is that clear enough for all of you to understand? Please stop talking about policy @ debearsMy point is that it would benefit us to consider more than 2 candidates for the lynch. Anyway it's too late to discuss about it now, I was just answering Clarity's question about it. By the way it's not policy, it's lynch mechanics
More semantics, anyways it's useless.
What do you think of Obsy's, Dau0d's, and Sylver's epic uselessness so far?
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On November 03 2012 13:28 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 13:22 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 13:11 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch? @ ClarityExactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy. seriously.....why are we having to explain this? 1) Scumhunt 2) Vote for your top scumread 3) When the voting comes down to 2 candidates and lynch is near, pick one of two said candidates and give reasoning why you're voting them Is that clear enough for all of you to understand? Please stop talking about policy Because he mentioned it here: On November 03 2012 12:13 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 12:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 12:02 Djodref wrote: It is confusing, especially when you are attacking the same guy over semantics just after your joke. It could be also a nice way to influence our read on debears while looking clean. I agree that he was making a joke but please consider the motivations for it.
Town motivations I don't see town motivations for making a joke about a scumtell
Mafia motivations Creates confusion and disturbs the thread. Allows to influence our read on debears while looking clean You also neglect to realize that my joke was in a RESPONSE to his joke. (I don't wear hats). You're really trying to dig where there is nothing. @ CheeseOk, you had motivations for doing this joke but it doesn't really help town while it could be done with mafia motivation. And, at least, I'm trying to dig something. Would you prefer me to discuss how we should use plurality lynch ? Which got me curious what he had to say on the subject. Turns out the answer is nothing new. Which begs the question: Why did he mention it in the first place? Clarity, I think it was meant to be read as more of this: Do you want me to push something and try to get the thread going, or do you want me to talk about useless policy? Would you agree with that?
I.... didn't even consider that. Yes, that actually makes much more sense.
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Very well Clarity,
anything else that you find jumps out weird so far?
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Allow me to quote myself for this one:
On November 03 2012 11:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Policies are just a basis for thinking. They shouldn't be committal.
That pretty much sums it up. Scum hunt + Read + form opinion ---> Vote.
@Djo
On November 03 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 13:00 Djodref wrote:@ CheeseI'm pretty sure that the following quote was totally serving your mafia agenda in the last game. But I guess I should better trust you because I don't really see why you should be dishonest right now about it. On October 29 2012 13:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Holy meta argument Batbears. Are you saying that Dandel under pressure is basically = Kush in terms of meta? Let's take a look at the second one On October 28 2012 09:20 Rad wrote: Djo NOW YOU SHOW UP? On October 28 2012 09:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: A wild Djo appears? I don't know if you have seen Rad post or not before posting yours but I really felt that you were both accusing me of active lurking. Why the lolwut by the way ? What did you not understand in my comment ? @Djo The second part of the first quote isn't a joke. It's an analogy. Therefore it has nothing to do with anything. The second quote: Pokemon reference, it means I think of you as a pokemon. Pokemon are innocent and cute; I'm not casting aspersions on you in the least. Yes, @obsQT I just mentioned pokemon. We could go with this WIFOM crap all day. These "jokes" means absolutely nothing. Are we seriously still talking about a failboat joke? Stop this incessant attempt to tunnel me--it bears no weight at all because it is probably one of the most subjective things one could possibly focus on. Especially since it's coming from another game entirely. I declare this useless argument over *gavel slam*. @ CheeseI'll stop tunneling you when I'm satisfied with your answers. Why do you want us to stop discussing ? This discussion has derived from its original point to go something quite useless, I agree. My point is that you could have used these jokes to make me look bad. I know this was a pokemon reference but I think "a wild Djo appears" was implying active lurking, especially in the context of the thread, rather than implying that I was innocent as a pokemon. My point is that jokes can be used by mafia to cast suspicion on a player without looking like you are doing it. It's a great tool used this way.
The pokemon thing was a reference to make you realize how utterly stupid this argument is.
So much WIFOM, so little post.That is my answer. That is why I want to stop discussing. This has nothing to do with the game other than the fact that I made a little comment that nobody really cares about. You're trying to pull something from which there is nothing.
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On November 03 2012 13:30 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:28 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 13:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 13:22 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 13:11 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch? @ ClarityExactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy. seriously.....why are we having to explain this? 1) Scumhunt 2) Vote for your top scumread 3) When the voting comes down to 2 candidates and lynch is near, pick one of two said candidates and give reasoning why you're voting them Is that clear enough for all of you to understand? Please stop talking about policy Because he mentioned it here: On November 03 2012 12:13 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 12:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 12:02 Djodref wrote: It is confusing, especially when you are attacking the same guy over semantics just after your joke. It could be also a nice way to influence our read on debears while looking clean. I agree that he was making a joke but please consider the motivations for it.
Town motivations I don't see town motivations for making a joke about a scumtell
Mafia motivations Creates confusion and disturbs the thread. Allows to influence our read on debears while looking clean You also neglect to realize that my joke was in a RESPONSE to his joke. (I don't wear hats). You're really trying to dig where there is nothing. @ CheeseOk, you had motivations for doing this joke but it doesn't really help town while it could be done with mafia motivation. And, at least, I'm trying to dig something. Would you prefer me to discuss how we should use plurality lynch ? Which got me curious what he had to say on the subject. Turns out the answer is nothing new. Which begs the question: Why did he mention it in the first place? Clarity, I think it was meant to be read as more of this: Do you want me to push something and try to get the thread going, or do you want me to talk about useless policy? Would you agree with that? I.... didn't even consider that. Yes, that actually makes much more sense.
I was exactly this.
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On November 03 2012 13:31 debears wrote: Very well Clarity,
anything else that you find jumps out weird so far?
Last three pages was djo, you and me. Still no word from da0ud and sylver. I think you are wrong in saying Obzy is useless. He might not have posted a lot but he makes good points or asks decent questions when he does, maybe you feel that way because he's biggest post is directed at you?
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EBWOP he's = his
Think I'm gonna go to bed soon, but I wanna finish watching MLG...
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On Obsy
On November 03 2012 10:32 Obzy wrote: Wouldn't making a lurker-lynch policy be somewhat counterproductive? Like - lynching lurkers, that sounds smart. But if it's "policy", then everyone knows not to lurk - so there wouldn't be a lynch on lurkers - and if there was, why the heck would mafia be lurking? It's more like lynching the people with the least time, as long as everybody is at least somewhat active.
If that makes any sense ._.;
Obsy has been around the thread. What I have found is that he seems to be actively lurking. Notice above post. Asking a pretty much useless question. It's newbie town/scum tell, so it's a null tell
On November 03 2012 10:36 Obzy wrote: Right - no; I agree with that - I guess I was caught on the wording. Describing it as a policy lynch made it sound like there wouldn't be much discussion on the matter which sounded counterproductive.
He has a few one-liners like the above. Mostly, his posts do not take a strong stance and his opinions seem to be easily swayed. Again newbie town/scum tell.
On November 03 2012 10:36 Obzy wrote: Sheesh this thread moves fast I need to start quoting o_o; I write a post and there's 3 replies above me.
I don't like this post. At all. Trying to come up with excuses to not be posting. Sure the thread is moving pretty decently (score one for town), but it's nothing huge and pretty easy to follow so far imo.
On November 03 2012 10:40 Obzy wrote: In that case, sounds good. I agree. Regarding Alsn's post... It kinda looks like he's responding like that just cause you said pulling an Alsn? I guess? Or trying to goad some sort of discussion.
Here he acts confused. He asks questions without answering them himself or even really attempting to answer them himself.
On November 03 2012 11:17 Obzy wrote:@debears - Your reaction really does seem out of place, when I'm rereading. I've been refreshing constantly, trying to read everything and make a useful post, but nothing really seemed like it would contribute to a discussion, and I don't want to have pointless posts for the sake of "being active". Contributing, not spamming. Upon looking at it that way, your posts and being interested in Alsn's word choice is surprisingly defensive. Given that there wasn't really any way for other players to pop their heads in and comment without semi-defusing the situation saying "it wasn't that big of a deal", why hold onto it? Quite specifically, Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 10:35 debears wrote: Anyways what's your guys thoughts on alsns post? - why ask something like that? I didn't really think it worth paying any mind to, but you kept going on it. (And now, just above, you're asking djo why he didn't get involved in your argument - I didn't want to get involved either, it seemed largely purposeless.) jesus i type this post, read for spelling mistakes, reopen a new browser to make sure i'm not missing some sort of new information and fucking blammo like 5 posts
Who have a tough time contributing early? Usually scum because
1) They are afraid to post and put themselves out there since they are guilty and know so 2) They know the players they are accusing are town and they can't actually find real evidence to use
However, I admit this is also a newbie town trait.
On November 03 2012 12:34 Obzy wrote: I don't think that getting a read off of whether or not Cheese has a joking tone or not really means anything at all. At least, the fact that he's aware of it means that he could manipulate it either way.
Honestly, this post is just absolutely worthless. It has no actual input. Says nothing about the current happenings of the thread.
Summary: Obsy has been actively lurking and blending in His posts are indicative of newbie town/scum however they are looking slightly scummy at this point
@Obsy
1) Defend yourself against these points 2) Go ask for some coaching help (It'll help you improve more quickly)
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On November 03 2012 13:36 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:31 debears wrote: Very well Clarity,
anything else that you find jumps out weird so far? Last three pages was djo, you and me. Still no word from da0ud and sylver. I think you are wrong in saying Obzy is useless. He might not have posted a lot but he makes good points or asks decent questions when he does, maybe you feel that way because he's biggest post is directed at you?
That's a good point. Also, add CC into that. Hmmmm that's good.
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@Clarity
That's a great point and I want to reemphasize it.
@Obzy
If you're town, please disregard any suggestions about you being useless so far. Just keep attempting to be useful and you'll get the hang of it. You don't have to post as much as debears, djo, or even myself to be useful so don't get discouraged. However, don't hold back and give your input on things when you have input as it'll be helpful to town if we get some more input from you.
Also I see debears has directed some questions at you so here's a chance to open up a bit.
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