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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: Obsy has been around the thread. What I have found is that he seems to be actively lurking. Notice above post. Asking a pretty much useless question. It's newbie town/scum tell, so it's a null tell Yeah, I've been trying to read and refresh the thread regularly, I think I've been away from it for maybe an hour total since game start. On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: He has a few one-liners like the above. Mostly, his posts do not take a strong stance and his opinions seem to be easily swayed. Again newbie town/scum tell. I've typed out a few posts that were a bit longer, but after re-reading, it didn't look like they did anything to advance town interests and the only thing they did was look spammy and unhelpful, so I've mostly been deleting them. I am, as mentioned, not really certain whether or not I'm judging things properly and taking a concrete stance on something that turns out to be stupid feels sort of dumb. On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: I don't like this post. At all. Trying to come up with excuses to not be posting. Sure the thread is moving pretty decently (score one for town), but it's nothing huge and pretty easy to follow so far imo. No comment, it does move really fast. On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: Here he acts confused. He asks questions without answering them himself or even really attempting to answer them himself. I didn't really want to call you out directly. You responded really strongly to Alsn's red font, and it seemed counterproductive - but stifling discussion is a problem; given that you've been the primary generator of discussion. On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: Who have a tough time contributing early? Usually scum because 1) They are afraid to post and put themselves out there since they are guilty and know so 2) They know the players they are accusing are town and they can't actually find real evidence to use However, I admit this is also a newbie town trait. I don't have a problem with posting, I don't want to post meaninglessly. Writing about things that are actually useful and will help everybody is difficult, because when I look at what I've drafted it looks moronic and doesn't help anybody. Answering being directly called out is a lot easier, since I don't have to cast about for what to say, I just have to explain how I'm playing. On November 03 2012 13:40 debears wrote: Honestly, this post is just absolutely worthless. It has no actual input. Says nothing about the current happenings of the thread. I wanted the conversation to shift away from talking about Cheese using jokes or not. It was a meaningless thing to discuss. Pointing it out so early and then dwelling on it for so long meant that it isn't a good scumtell for Cheese, while also making him aware of the fact he was doing it (Assuming that it WAS a scumtell, it no longer is). That entire discussion was just a waste of time, so I would say that it makes sense that my post, pointing it out, was equally useless. I definitely have been reading the thread, but haven't done a very good job of blending in. That's not really the point, anyways. You haven't been blending in, because you've been actively advancing the interests of town. I'm not a good enough judge to know if you're doing so genuinely, but you're the most active player currently (IMHO). I haven't read past this post yet, but I'll go ahead and do so now. If I see something, I'll comment. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
I see some possibly good points in those. I'll consider that. It is early game so you could possibly be reading too much into his posting. Something that I want to add to the reread part is that I find it unlikely that Djo would be rereading the thread, and only notice your joke as weird. He didn't notice obsy's posts, or guys like rad active lurking also, he seemed to shy away from me in the beginning and focus on policy/mechanics too much. What do you think of Clarity - i don't see too much wrong with his posting Rad - active lurking with mlg excuse | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 03 2012 14:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I made this exact mistake last game as scum, "Djo is not off the hook" thing. He wants to ensure that his suspicions for me are known. As town, he would not have to make this statement because he would have faith that we already know that. I'd like to point out that throughout the last newbie game, I kept pointing out that djo was still on my radar. I don't consider this a scum tell. Perhaps bad town, perhaps not, but certainly not necessarily scum tell (at least at this level, no idea if it is at a higher level). I considered it a "keep the pressure on" type move last game. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On November 03 2012 14:22 Rad wrote: I'd like to point out that throughout the last newbie game, I kept pointing out that djo was still on my radar. I don't consider this a scum tell. Perhaps bad town, perhaps not, but certainly not necessarily scum tell (at least at this level, no idea if it is at a higher level). I considered it a "keep the pressure on" type move last game. Well Nack pointed it out for me, and he was right. I think the key here is that in the last game, everyone knew my stance on Djo and I reiterated it. Here, everyone knows his stance on me, and he reiterates it. In the last game, I don't think your read on him was as apparent as mine was--Which is why it wasn't a big tell | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 03 2012 14:21 Obzy wrote: K - This is in response to debears post asking about me. I may screw up the formatting but hopefully not - Yeah, I've been trying to read and refresh the thread regularly, I think I've been away from it for maybe an hour total since game start. I've typed out a few posts that were a bit longer, but after re-reading, it didn't look like they did anything to advance town interests and the only thing they did was look spammy and unhelpful, so I've mostly been deleting them. I am, as mentioned, not really certain whether or not I'm judging things properly and taking a concrete stance on something that turns out to be stupid feels sort of dumb. No comment, it does move really fast. I didn't really want to call you out directly. You responded really strongly to Alsn's red font, and it seemed counterproductive - but stifling discussion is a problem; given that you've been the primary generator of discussion. I don't have a problem with posting, I don't want to post meaninglessly. Writing about things that are actually useful and will help everybody is difficult, because when I look at what I've drafted it looks moronic and doesn't help anybody. Answering being directly called out is a lot easier, since I don't have to cast about for what to say, I just have to explain how I'm playing. I wanted the conversation to shift away from talking about Cheese using jokes or not. It was a meaningless thing to discuss. Pointing it out so early and then dwelling on it for so long meant that it isn't a good scumtell for Cheese, while also making him aware of the fact he was doing it (Assuming that it WAS a scumtell, it no longer is). That entire discussion was just a waste of time, so I would say that it makes sense that my post, pointing it out, was equally useless. I definitely have been reading the thread, but haven't done a very good job of blending in. That's not really the point, anyways. You haven't been blending in, because you've been actively advancing the interests of town. I'm not a good enough judge to know if you're doing so genuinely, but you're the most active player currently (IMHO). I haven't read past this post yet, but I'll go ahead and do so now. If I see something, I'll comment. So what is your exact read on me? Scum, slightly scum, null, slightly town, or town? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 03 2012 14:22 Rad wrote: I'd like to point out that throughout the last newbie game, I kept pointing out that djo was still on my radar. I don't consider this a scum tell. Perhaps bad town, perhaps not, but certainly not necessarily scum tell (at least at this level, no idea if it is at a higher level). I considered it a "keep the pressure on" type move last game. I would agree it's a null tell on its own. But, I think if you combine it with his cruddy reasoning for attacking CC, and how he seemed to avoid me earlier, it makes some sense. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
@debears Honestly, I thought a lot of the arguments you were forcing were somewhat ridiculous. It's not stuff that I thought was worth commenting on, it just spammed the thread... However. Why would you even bother with that as mafia? Although your playstyle 120% is not mine, I think you have a town slant at the moment, I'll go look through your filter but would be surprised if it changed as a result of that. Rad and Clarity are playing in the same way I am, afai can tell. Slightly lurking but contributing when possible. I think both of them are town as a result, just because it's the way I am playing. (Again, I'll go look, but... if I haven't had something jump out at me in a normal read-through, I don't think filters will help much.) I'm most interested in da0ud and sylver, just because they haven't said anything at all. Not necessarily implying they are scum, just that non-posting is absolutely impossible to read. Ughhhh I'll reread the thread and see if anything stands out. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
If we're gonna lynch a lurker, I'd rather it be early game than late, at least. But I think that we have more... dedication among the townies this game. There wasn't a long wait for the last few signups - everyone here seems pretty pumped to play some mafia seriously. I don't think lurker policy lynch will come up at all. I kinda expected a bit more... substance in the thread by now. A lot of people are dicking around... lots of oneliners, debears and cheesecake geez you're firing off the oneliners like crazy, you've already got 4 and 3 page filters respectively (75% of it post-gamestart) You've got tons of posts within 1 minute of each other, and often at least one of them has no content. I mean, posting a lot is great, but you're posting a lot of nothing. You're also posting shit with content, but can you PLEASE make your posts a little more substantial so it isn't impossible to read your filter? Would be really helpful. I like Rad's suspicion about people labeling CC being funny as a towntell. Shit, last game people were calling "only posts towntells" as scummy (including on people who turned out to be townie when lynched/NK'd) Cheesecake is also filling this thread with fluff a lot too. I don't kno wwhat to think about Alsn or debears. Could be one of the two is scum, need to see more from them on this topic. Don't like debears fluff. da0ud, please post. Don't pull what you did last game and vacation your life away. (If you're on vacation again, I'm going to be mildly annoyed you even chose to /in) Obviously, morning over there now. You've got time. ##Vote debears Your fluff, and your reaction against Alsn seem odd to me. Also, your claim of always being perfect about on at lynchtime. Now we can't even use it (in the future) as a scumtell on you because it'd turn into WIFOM. + Show Spoiler [off-topic complaint] + TL went down for several minutes as I'm typing this. Frustrating, can't finish the post because I want to check more filters! | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 03 2012 14:41 Obzy wrote: I'm most interested in da0ud and sylver, just because they haven't said anything at all. Not necessarily implying they are scum, just that non-posting is absolutely impossible to read. Just wanted to point out real quick, Obzy, that this is the reason we were pushing the lurker policy lynch earlier. Hopefully you understand it a bit better now, when people lurk hardcore it's impossible to get a good read on them and thus becomes a coin flip for town (or even heavily distracting real cases, which can be even worse). I don't think we'll have an issue though. We have a long time before lynch and I think both will come through with some useful contributions (considering how last game went). If the issue remains, we lynch (scum or useless townie, both reasonable lynches at d1). And as I refresh before I post, there's sylver! | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
"The worst way to play day 1 is with apathy and disinterest and lynch the most outspoken/controversial player, who is never going to be mafia." Yes, he could have read that and tried to act like that intentionally. And I agree that a large number of posts lack purpose, it makes it hard to read the thread. But he's definitely the most active person, voting for him right now feels like a bad choice. =l (Also, not to imply that anybody is playing with apathy or disinterest!) | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
If you have time, check our last game (newbie XXIX) and watch debears d1. He ends up scum in that game, but he's "town leader" pretty much the whole game due to his d1 activities (very aggressive, very townie-like in that he's creating discussion). That probably has some influence on sylver's vote. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
@Rad I just finished reading through your filter. It's almost depressing - I really appreciate how you're encouraging - but I haven't seen any cases. MLG is a valid excuse IMHO, tomorrow I would also like to see some reads on players from you. I really want you to be town, but I don't know if there's anything backing up you being town any more than there is ME being town. ^^; I will be sure to take a look regarding dembearz, though - that filter is going to be sort of miserable to read haha :0 | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 03 2012 14:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler + *Sigh* Of course I'm focused on defending myself. I started to post some stuff you on Debears in regards to Alsn posting about you, but then Djo proceeds to tunnel me. Here's the obligitory OMGUS case on Djo. I learned a lot of stuff from Nack last game, despite him being an arrogant SOB. On November 03 2012 13:51 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese Regarding your pokemon joke explanation, I didn't like how you focused on the content instead of precising what were your motivations for this joke at that time. It would be acceptable if you just told me that it was genuine or an attempt to frame me (it occurred during last game after all). Nevertheless, I would agree that we should drop this discussion. But you are still on my radar. I made this exact mistake last game as scum, "Djo is not off the hook" thing. He wants to ensure that his suspicions for me are known. As town, he would not have to make this statement because he would have faith that we already know that. On November 03 2012 12:06 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. Again, another exact mistake I made last game. Feeling the need to tell people that you have been reading the thread. For the second part, he's assuring that we realize that he knows this game is important to him. As town, he wouldn't feel the need to tell us that the game is important. Then there is the entire "joke" case he makes, which is, no matter how you slice it, a terrible argument. He summons it up from nowhere and makes a huge deal about it. I want to drop the conversation because it's irrelevant and cluttering the thread. He insists that there is something there, but I reiterate, there is not. On November 03 2012 13:53 Djodref wrote: @ debears You really made me chuckle with this one ^^ Need I even mention how utterly hypocritical this post is? ##FOS: Djodref First thing I take issue with: I made this exact mistake last game as scum, "Djo is not off the hook" thing. He wants to ensure that his suspicions for me are known. As town, he would not have to make this statement because he would have faith that we already know that. Why does scum need to reiterate but town has faith that people are listening, especially early day 1.? I don't see anything different about the two factions concerning "whether people are listening to what they have to say" Given good players I'd expect people are listening to what you have to say, regardless of what your faction is. Null Tell. Rad Wrote: AHH, TELEPATHY.About sylver, considering his posts in the last newbie, he had a few posts around this time but his main posting time was not now. So, though we might see him jump in soon, I would not expect much as he goes to bed around this time. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Addendum: Furthermore, reiterating a point keeps pressure on, and makes it clear that you have not changed your mind. This is most applicable after they have either posted in response, or time has passed. This is a perfectly town-safe weapon to be using. Still not a scum tell. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
Tomorrow and Sunday I will be trying to figure out some sort of a case for sure. I made a lot of terrible reads my first game (newbie XXIX) that lead to dead townies, so I'm going to be trying to approach it differently this time (more like how I was approaching the game near end of XXIX, not that I expect you to know what I mean by that, but everyone else in this game might understand the differences). | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
There really hasn't been enough said. His entire contribution to the thread was a quick jab at debears, talking for 40 minutes past when he said he was going to bed, and leaving. I'll have to wait until tomorrow before I have any idea. @Clarity Is lurking a bit, responding when relevant. Similar to Rad. Similar to myself but better, not like that's difficult :[. Also was watching MLG; hopefully tomorrow he has reads on people, rather than lurking and commenting when relevant to try to move discussion along. Still reading ._.;; | ||
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