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On November 03 2012 12:29 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:21 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 12:17 Rad wrote:
@debears
I don't remember too many jokes from cheese throughout last game. Just pregame. Oh, and his "Sandy" response to the hurricane question. Anyway, it doesn't matter, I get a null read from his joke.
@djo
Why are you bringing up the idea of a discussion on plurality lynch? That's not even in our control, is it? Host said plurality, so it's plurality, end of story, unless I'm missing something? He did joke in game. I can't quote on my phone. Here are some from memory "Holy meta argument batbears" "A wild djo appears" "Lurkerception" "Why djodref is scum : a compilation of quotes by mr. Cheesecake" @ debearsYou just have showed that he was using jokes when they were serving his scum agenda.
If you could explain how any of those statements successfully served my scum agenda... please tell me. LOL
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On November 03 2012 12:27 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:20 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 12:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 12:12 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 12:09 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 12:07 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 12:02 Djodref wrote:
It is confusing, especially when you are attacking the same guy over semantics just after your joke. It could be also a nice way to influence our read on debears while looking clean.
I agree that he was making a joke but please consider the motivations for it.
Town motivations
I don't see town motivations for making a joke about a scumtell
Mafia motivations
Creates confusion and disturbs the thread. Allows to influence our read on debears while looking clean You have to be kidding me. Cheese jokes a lot. Did you not read the scum qt from last game? The motivation from both perspectives is to have fun, especially early d1 when there's nothing to talk about."Influence your read on debears". Really? Its early day 1. You all have plenty of time to read me.. ill have a big filter most likely. That's bullshit. Scummy bullshit Please expand on the bolded part of your post I quoted debears. D1 starts out with nothing to actually talk about. That's why policy is a starter in newbies. Everything starts out of complete nothingness in terms of accusations Okay, but you just meant early D1 right, not the entirety of it? It seems rather odd to go: "Yeah we should just joke around for now" On November 03 2012 12:13 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 12:08 Rad wrote:
@djo
I don't think there's too much mafia motivation in throwing out 1 joke this early in day 1, especially with us all coming from the other game and it being a pretty friendly environment at the moment. I'd consider it the pre-game bleeding into the real game. I'm sure we will all start hating each other soon enough. Rad cheeses joking is a null tell. Check the scum qt from last game. Its his personality He kept it to the QT though, he was serious in the thread, as he pointed out. We shouldn't try to meta read someone with a sample size of 1, but he is acting quite different than last game, and he was scum in that. So if he's scum and he didn't joke in the game (which he did) while joking in the qt a lot, wouldnt you say he is being more genuine, which is a townie trait? Why are defending cheese's personality this game? We all get he's a funny guy and likes to joke. We only have 1 game from him to go on, and a scum QT. He could be acting different here for a variety of reasons. Why do you want us to get a town read on him just from being more genuine this game? Town motivation: Be more open and honest and townie. Scum motivation: Everyone knows his real personality now from the scum QT, he needs to switch it up or we'll be suspicious. It's a null tell. Why are you pushing the idea that it's a town tell?
I said its a null tell. And when i said he was "genuine", that would be under the assumption that he didn't post jokes last game, which he did
So, its a null tell
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Holy crap guys, it wasn't even a decent joke. >_>
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I don't think that getting a read off of whether or not Cheese has a joking tone or not really means anything at all. At least, the fact that he's aware of it means that he could manipulate it either way.
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On November 03 2012 12:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:06 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 12:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 10:50 Djodref wrote:
@ debaers
I don't think this one deserves a FoS. When Alsn says that it is technically a lie, that's just Alsn arguing about math and logic. On November 03 2012 11:52 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:09 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Debears you seem really paranoid. On November 03 2012 10:42 debears wrote:
Yeah i am. He calls me a liarin red and then peaces out without wanting to hear my thoughts. Aint that scummy? Considering how active he was around lynch time last game, which was only an hour before this He didn't call you, Debears the person, a liar. You're taking Alsn's nit-pick of a post awfully personally. The quick, useless FoS is also the same exact tactic you used last game. Old hat, Debears, old hat.
1) i don't wear a hat2) i rescind my argument. The red text threw me off Scumtell. Howso? Mafia usually wear hats. He's so adamant that he most certainly does NOT wear a hat. Therefore, scumtell. @ CheesecakePlease refrain from joking when talking about scumtells. It's confusing. FoS Cheese The logic is strong with this one. @ CheeseI was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. There is no reason to tell us that you were reading the thread. We should know you are. This is the exact thing that Nack picked up about my scumplay last game. "This game is serious business" It's a couple hours into the first day, and most of the thread isn't even around. You're really trying to come off as town by plucking this insignificant little fact that everyone else giggled about and passed on by. And - mafia motivation for making a joke? We should get some George Carlins as scum if there is mafia motivation for making someone snicker a little. Also: My humor was mainly kept to the QT last game. Only a few stupid things in the thread were let through. /Engagecheesecakeseriousmode
@ Cheese
Your joke didn't pose any problem for me the first time (same for everyone I suppose) but I found it weird the second time I past through it. I have no problems with jokes and I'm making some myself. They are a null tell in general.
But joking about scum tells is not really acceptable in my opinion and I've explained the possible mafia motivations I've seen behind it.
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On November 03 2012 12:29 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:21 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 12:17 Rad wrote:
@debears
I don't remember too many jokes from cheese throughout last game. Just pregame. Oh, and his "Sandy" response to the hurricane question. Anyway, it doesn't matter, I get a null read from his joke.
@djo
Why are you bringing up the idea of a discussion on plurality lynch? That's not even in our control, is it? Host said plurality, so it's plurality, end of story, unless I'm missing something? He did joke in game. I can't quote on my phone. Here are some from memory "Holy meta argument batbears" "A wild djo appears" "Lurkerception" "Why djodref is scum : a compilation of quotes by mr. Cheesecake" @ debearsYou just have showed that he was using jokes when they were serving his scum agenda.
None of the jokes i quoted served a scum agenda. The only one that would come close to that was the title of his case on you. But the title wasnt serving a scum agenda, the case was
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On November 03 2012 12:35 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 12:06 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 12:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 10:50 Djodref wrote:
@ debaers
I don't think this one deserves a FoS. When Alsn says that it is technically a lie, that's just Alsn arguing about math and logic. On November 03 2012 11:52 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:09 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Debears you seem really paranoid.
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He didn't call you, Debears the person, a liar. You're taking Alsn's nit-pick of a post awfully personally.
The quick, useless FoS is also the same exact tactic you used last game. Old hat, Debears, old hat.
1) i don't wear a hat2) i rescind my argument. The red text threw me off Scumtell. Howso? Mafia usually wear hats. He's so adamant that he most certainly does NOT wear a hat. Therefore, scumtell. @ CheesecakePlease refrain from joking when talking about scumtells. It's confusing. FoS Cheese The logic is strong with this one. @ CheeseI was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. There is no reason to tell us that you were reading the thread. We should know you are. This is the exact thing that Nack picked up about my scumplay last game. "This game is serious business" It's a couple hours into the first day, and most of the thread isn't even around. You're really trying to come off as town by plucking this insignificant little fact that everyone else giggled about and passed on by. And - mafia motivation for making a joke? We should get some George Carlins as scum if there is mafia motivation for making someone snicker a little. Also: My humor was mainly kept to the QT last game. Only a few stupid things in the thread were let through. /Engagecheesecakeseriousmode @ CheeseYour joke didn't pose any problem for me the first time (same for everyone I suppose) but I found it weird the second time I past through it. I have no problems with jokes and I'm making some myself. They are a null tell in general. But joking about scum tells is not really acceptable in my opinion and I've explained the possible mafia motivations I've seen behind it.
So first you say his jokes last game served a scum agenda, which means they are scummy.. now you say jokes are a null tell, unless they are specifically joking about scumtells.
Riddle me this.
Why havent you fosed me for my joke fos on cheese in the beginning?
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On November 03 2012 12:29 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:21 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 12:17 Rad wrote:
@debears
I don't remember too many jokes from cheese throughout last game. Just pregame. Oh, and his "Sandy" response to the hurricane question. Anyway, it doesn't matter, I get a null read from his joke.
@djo
Why are you bringing up the idea of a discussion on plurality lynch? That's not even in our control, is it? Host said plurality, so it's plurality, end of story, unless I'm missing something? He did joke in game. I can't quote on my phone. Here are some from memory "Holy meta argument batbears" You did this one in response of the meta defense of dandel from debears. Debears was trying to cover up for the dandel explosion in the thread and you are emphasizing how "good" his meta research was"A wild djo appears" This one was discrediting me. You were strongly implying that I was doing some active lurking, without calling the word"Lurkerception" Casting some suspicion on the lurkers, which were all town players"Why djodref is scum : a compilation of quotes by mr. Cheesecake" I bet you were not comfortable while posting your case so you added this little touch to free up your guilty conscience. @ debearsYou just have showed that he was using jokes when they were serving his scum agenda.
@ Cheese
Please find my comments in bold font in the quote.
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@djo
That was addressed to cheese right? I would like to see him defend himself time
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Also answer my very important question to you
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On November 03 2012 12:34 Obzy wrote:
I don't think that getting a read off of whether or not Cheese has a joking tone or not really means anything at all. At least, the fact that he's aware of it means that he could manipulate it either way.
I agree, this isn't much better than making a Djodref smiley case.
I think the two things to take away from all this though:
- Debears defended Cheese
- Djodref tunneling Cheese
Might become useful later.
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On November 03 2012 12:38 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:35 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 12:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 12:06 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 12:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 10:50 Djodref wrote:
@ debaers
I don't think this one deserves a FoS. When Alsn says that it is technically a lie, that's just Alsn arguing about math and logic. On November 03 2012 11:52 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:09 debears wrote:
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1) i don't wear a hat
2) i rescind my argument. The red text threw me off Scumtell. Howso? Mafia usually wear hats. He's so adamant that he most certainly does NOT wear a hat. Therefore, scumtell. @ CheesecakePlease refrain from joking when talking about scumtells. It's confusing. FoS Cheese The logic is strong with this one. @ CheeseI was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. There is no reason to tell us that you were reading the thread. We should know you are. This is the exact thing that Nack picked up about my scumplay last game. "This game is serious business" It's a couple hours into the first day, and most of the thread isn't even around. You're really trying to come off as town by plucking this insignificant little fact that everyone else giggled about and passed on by. And - mafia motivation for making a joke? We should get some George Carlins as scum if there is mafia motivation for making someone snicker a little. Also: My humor was mainly kept to the QT last game. Only a few stupid things in the thread were let through. /Engagecheesecakeseriousmode @ CheeseYour joke didn't pose any problem for me the first time (same for everyone I suppose) but I found it weird the second time I past through it. I have no problems with jokes and I'm making some myself. They are a null tell in general. But joking about scum tells is not really acceptable in my opinion and I've explained the possible mafia motivations I've seen behind it. So first you say his jokes last game served a scum agenda, which means they are scummy.. now you say jokes are a null tell, unless they are specifically joking about scumtells. Riddle me this. Why havent you fosed me for my joke fos on cheese in the beginning?
I didn't like this one as well but I have noticed that you didn't use bold font so it guessed it was not a serious one. It was your reaction to marv flavor also.
Jokes are in general a null tell but some of them can serve a mafia agenda. Please look again at my comments regarding your quotes from Cheese.
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@Djo
The first one doesn't say anything. Holy ______ batman just means something is big, basically. Debears had a big case. Never even once mentioned it was good.
The second - lolwut?
Third - The entire post was "Am I the only one who finds it odd that the replacement of a lurker is a lurker? Lurkerception. That isn't casting any suspicions at all.
The last - The only thing "funny" was the byline. Nobody puts a byline on their case. I chose to because I'm awesome, and I wanted credit for that shit.
Are we really still talking about a crappy joke?
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@ debears
The difference for me is also in the follow-up. Maybe both of your jokes were not serious but Cheese followed his joke by attacking you over semantics (the "he called me a liar" thing).
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On November 03 2012 12:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:34 Obzy wrote:
I don't think that getting a read off of whether or not Cheese has a joking tone or not really means anything at all. At least, the fact that he's aware of it means that he could manipulate it either way. I agree, this isn't much better than making a Djodref smiley case. I think the two things to take away from all this though: - Debears defended Cheese - Djodref tunneling Cheese Might become useful later.
Besides stating the obvious, do you agree with me or djo on this?
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On November 03 2012 12:53 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 12:34 Obzy wrote:
I don't think that getting a read off of whether or not Cheese has a joking tone or not really means anything at all. At least, the fact that he's aware of it means that he could manipulate it either way. I agree, this isn't much better than making a Djodref smiley case. I think the two things to take away from all this though: - Debears defended Cheese - Djodref tunneling Cheese Might become useful later. Besides stating the obvious, do you agree with me or djo on this?
I agree with you. The joking is a null tell and we should note it and move on, that was the point of my post.
I'm actually more interested why djo talking about the fact that it's a plurality lynch, he never actually talked about it, he just mentioned it. What of it, Djodref?
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@ Cheese
I'm pretty sure that the following quote was totally serving your mafia agenda in the last game. But I guess I should better trust you because I don't really see why you should be dishonest right now about it.
On October 29 2012 13:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Holy meta argument Batbears. Are you saying that Dandel under pressure is basically = Kush in terms of meta?
Let's take a look at the second one
On October 28 2012 09:20 Rad wrote:
Djo NOW YOU SHOW UP?
On October 28 2012 09:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
A wild Djo appears?
I don't know if you have seen Rad post or not before posting yours but I really felt that you were both accusing me of active lurking. Why the lolwut by the way ? What did you not understand in my comment ?
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On November 03 2012 12:56 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 12:53 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 12:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 12:34 Obzy wrote:
I don't think that getting a read off of whether or not Cheese has a joking tone or not really means anything at all. At least, the fact that he's aware of it means that he could manipulate it either way. I agree, this isn't much better than making a Djodref smiley case. I think the two things to take away from all this though: - Debears defended Cheese - Djodref tunneling Cheese Might become useful later. Besides stating the obvious, do you agree with me or djo on this? I agree with you. The joking is a null tell and we should note it and move on, that was the point of my post. I'm actually more interested why djo talking about the fact that it's a plurality lynch, he never actually talked about it, he just mentioned it. What of it, Djodref?
@ Clarity
Please check my opening post again. The poor format made it not easy to read and follow but I was already talking about plurality lynch here.
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Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch?
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On November 03 2012 12:48 debears wrote:
Also answer my very important question to you
@ debears
Did I answer your question ? I'm not sure which one you were talking about. I guessed it was the one about "why cheese and not me?"
I need to go to attend a wedding at Souel Gardien Hoteal soon so I would like to know you have more questions.
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