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Release the tape then. The passive-aggressive 'oh, but I have proof' without actually....you know....showing any.... Is wasting all our time. Judging by what I've read and seen alone, things imploded rather completely on more than one front. What's the common factor? Who, at the end of the day, is responsible for keeping on top of issues inside the team? I don't read Korean, but judging from some of the 'threats' going around, there's some fear of her 'status' in the korean scene? If the Korean scene is based so much on say-so and hush orders and boycotts and bans.... Maybe they're better off getting out soonest and just let it implode.
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On October 22 2012 03:04 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 02:44 Chillax wrote:
Are people seriously upset that he released it in an audio format instead of text? The guy is on holiday with his wife celebrating his wedding anniversary..... He read it verbatim, thus a written format exists. Whether he is celebrating or not has no context in the matter. Releasing audio takes more time and effort than to release a written format that already exists prior to the audio recording. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 02:10 Intricacy wrote:
Apologies that our initial statement was not also written down. I found that releasing text-based statements, while professional, are not always the best at portraying a team's passion in standing by their players. Team press releases always come off really sterile in my opinion.
As owner and manager of Axiom, I would like to say that even though Jessica has issued a response to our statement, we refuse to engage in a drawn out drama that would have little actual benefit to anyone. Right now, we are focusing on our upcoming November schedule where CranK will compete at MLG Dallas, Lonestar Clash 2 and IPL5.
Thank you to those who have listened to our statement with an open mind. Alright, I'm of the same opinion on the statement. Yet, I believe in releasing both. It makes for an easy way for either side to refer to it and state their comments. Now they have to transcript it first. If I haven't stressed it enough before, I really do applaud the effort on releasing an audio recording though. Might I also add that, maybe unwittingly, you've only lengthened the drama by accusing the other party instead of solely disproving accusations thrown at your player? Which, I may aswell mention did not include any evidence to which TotalBisquit alluded, such as chatlogs. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 02:19 shiroiusagi wrote:On October 22 2012 02:14 jellyjello wrote:
TB, you don't understand how big of a mess Mr. Won created when he isolated slayers by imposing other teams from practicing. Bullying is no fucking joke here in Korea. Ever wondered why all those players in TSL wanted to get the fuck out of the team a while ago? Yeah... That's right, the same reason why slayers were seemingly losing players for a dubious reason. For you to state that bullying from eSF was only a part of the problem indicates that you simply don't get it, because bullying was THE problem and Mr. Won knew exactly what he wanted to accomplish when he issued the banning. And TSL is still around. Indeed, because they chose to kiss eSF's butt straight after the ban. Besides, TSL was part of eSF thus it's only fair for them to be punished, instead of a team that's not even part of the organisation that embodies the majority of the scene. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 01:21 mrtomjones wrote:On October 21 2012 21:24 Shival wrote:
I am deeply disappointed in the statement released by TotalBisquit/Axiom/Crank. First of all it's solely an audio recording, even though he's reading it verbatim. Thus a written account must exist. Why is that written account not released to the public, as that's how one should release statements in this situation. While I do applaud your effort for releasing audio, solely it's just not enough.
Secondly, it's solely based on Crank's words. No so called chatlogs or evidence has been released by TotalBisquit which he did allude to earlier. This entire statement is a farce and not nearly enough to dispell any accusations.
Because it's an audio statement it will take me a while to transcript parts of it to respond to, but I'll try to make an effort to show where I feel it's insufficient or simply a faulty thought process. Wow you are ridiculous. Most of what Crank has said seems to be based on personal conversations. A lot of what Jessica has said was based on conversations too. You can either choose to believe Crank which seems fairly plausible to me or not but getting mad about TB doing it in audio form is retarded. Thanks, but I wasn't mad, I was disappointed, which is an entirely different emotion. Disappointed because it lacks professionalism which eSports teams sorely need. I tend to believe Jessica, Boxer and Cella because they so far have released the only evidence in this case. Sure, the evidence didn't pertain Crank, but she sure did show she was prepared and hasn't lied. This gives credit for other accusations. You should first of all realize that it's Jessica that gives Crank the option to humbly apologize before releasing evidence. Which in my opinion is a very saintly thing to give. You may also want to read my analysis of Crank's statement as it has contradictions and holes in it, without even using Jessica's statement as reference.
Your dissapointment is completely illogical and ridiculous.. the fact that people want everything RIGHT NOW on the internet is disgusting
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On October 22 2012 07:03 Thomanson wrote:
Release the tape then. The passive-aggressive 'oh, but I have proof' without actually....you know....showing any.... Is wasting all our time. Judging by what I've read and seen alone, things imploded rather completely on more than one front. What's the common factor? Who, at the end of the day, is responsible for keeping on top of issues inside the team? I don't read Korean, but judging from some of the 'threats' going around, there's some fear of her 'status' in the korean scene? If the Korean scene is based so much on say-so and hush orders and boycotts and bans.... Maybe they're better off getting out soonest and just let it implode.
Hey man, speak for yourself. I'm loving the drama.
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Axiom is setting an ideal for other teams to strive for. I always see things handled unprofessionally but this is the first breath of fresh air I've seen in eSports
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On October 21 2012 19:14 Endymion wrote:
totalbiscuit is sexy and i love him.
that is all.
#1 #1 reply
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On October 22 2012 07:04 Jepsyn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:04 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 02:44 Chillax wrote:
Are people seriously upset that he released it in an audio format instead of text? The guy is on holiday with his wife celebrating his wedding anniversary..... He read it verbatim, thus a written format exists. Whether he is celebrating or not has no context in the matter. Releasing audio takes more time and effort than to release a written format that already exists prior to the audio recording. On October 22 2012 02:10 Intricacy wrote:
Apologies that our initial statement was not also written down. I found that releasing text-based statements, while professional, are not always the best at portraying a team's passion in standing by their players. Team press releases always come off really sterile in my opinion.
As owner and manager of Axiom, I would like to say that even though Jessica has issued a response to our statement, we refuse to engage in a drawn out drama that would have little actual benefit to anyone. Right now, we are focusing on our upcoming November schedule where CranK will compete at MLG Dallas, Lonestar Clash 2 and IPL5.
Thank you to those who have listened to our statement with an open mind. Alright, I'm of the same opinion on the statement. Yet, I believe in releasing both. It makes for an easy way for either side to refer to it and state their comments. Now they have to transcript it first. If I haven't stressed it enough before, I really do applaud the effort on releasing an audio recording though. Might I also add that, maybe unwittingly, you've only lengthened the drama by accusing the other party instead of solely disproving accusations thrown at your player? Which, I may aswell mention did not include any evidence to which TotalBisquit alluded, such as chatlogs. On October 22 2012 02:19 shiroiusagi wrote:On October 22 2012 02:14 jellyjello wrote:
TB, you don't understand how big of a mess Mr. Won created when he isolated slayers by imposing other teams from practicing. Bullying is no fucking joke here in Korea. Ever wondered why all those players in TSL wanted to get the fuck out of the team a while ago? Yeah... That's right, the same reason why slayers were seemingly losing players for a dubious reason. For you to state that bullying from eSF was only a part of the problem indicates that you simply don't get it, because bullying was THE problem and Mr. Won knew exactly what he wanted to accomplish when he issued the banning. And TSL is still around. Indeed, because they chose to kiss eSF's butt straight after the ban. Besides, TSL was part of eSF thus it's only fair for them to be punished, instead of a team that's not even part of the organisation that embodies the majority of the scene. On October 22 2012 01:21 mrtomjones wrote:On October 21 2012 21:24 Shival wrote:
I am deeply disappointed in the statement released by TotalBisquit/Axiom/Crank. First of all it's solely an audio recording, even though he's reading it verbatim. Thus a written account must exist. Why is that written account not released to the public, as that's how one should release statements in this situation. While I do applaud your effort for releasing audio, solely it's just not enough.
Secondly, it's solely based on Crank's words. No so called chatlogs or evidence has been released by TotalBisquit which he did allude to earlier. This entire statement is a farce and not nearly enough to dispell any accusations.
Because it's an audio statement it will take me a while to transcript parts of it to respond to, but I'll try to make an effort to show where I feel it's insufficient or simply a faulty thought process. Wow you are ridiculous. Most of what Crank has said seems to be based on personal conversations. A lot of what Jessica has said was based on conversations too. You can either choose to believe Crank which seems fairly plausible to me or not but getting mad about TB doing it in audio form is retarded. Thanks, but I wasn't mad, I was disappointed, which is an entirely different emotion. Disappointed because it lacks professionalism which eSports teams sorely need. I tend to believe Jessica, Boxer and Cella because they so far have released the only evidence in this case. Sure, the evidence didn't pertain Crank, but she sure did show she was prepared and hasn't lied. This gives credit for other accusations. You should first of all realize that it's Jessica that gives Crank the option to humbly apologize before releasing evidence. Which in my opinion is a very saintly thing to give. You may also want to read my analysis of Crank's statement as it has contradictions and holes in it, without even using Jessica's statement as reference. Your dissapointment is completely illogical and ridiculous.. the fact that people want everything RIGHT NOW on the internet is disgusting
I don't share that opinion. I think it's fair to expect evidence in some form if TotalBisquit earlier alluded to them reviewing chatlogs and other evidence.
On October 22 2012 07:03 Thomanson wrote:
Release the tape then. The passive-aggressive 'oh, but I have proof' without actually....you know....showing any.... Is wasting all our time. Judging by what I've read and seen alone, things imploded rather completely on more than one front. What's the common factor? Who, at the end of the day, is responsible for keeping on top of issues inside the team? I don't read Korean, but judging from some of the 'threats' going around, there's some fear of her 'status' in the korean scene? If the Korean scene is based so much on say-so and hush orders and boycotts and bans.... Maybe they're better off getting out soonest and just let it implode.
This was released at the most inopportune timing for Jessica. She has been filming in Thailand, and if I'm correct, is at the moment on the plane to South Korea. When she lands she has 2 hours to go to her next filming appointment in South Korea. Give her some slack, we had to wait 3 days or somesuch for TotalBisquits statement.
On October 22 2012 06:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I would like to add one thing. There is no lie in regards to CranKs physical state. He is receiving physio for his condition and he did indeed suffer from it while in the SlayerS house. He has had this condition on record since his time at SKT1, it is not some mystery or fake illness. He suffers from flare ups, it occurred during MLG Raleigh though he hid it well and continued to play, he is currently at home resting after going in and out of hospital for this condition over tne last week, which is why he had to pull out of MvP, a tournament he was winning his bracket in I might add.
Discontent with SlayerS conditions and having to rest due to medical reasons are not mutually exclusive factors. Indeed, one aggravates the other.
On the subject of spoken statement, this is standard across the world, expect more of them and rightly so. This is a professional eSports scene, we should act the part.
Isn't it strange however that he has been released from Slayers because of his neck problems, while streaming for 8-10 hours a day from that very same day he got released?
As for the last part: Thanks for showing the willingness to improve upon your organization TotalBisquit, I'm sure you have only the best of ideals regarding eSports in mind. 
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On October 22 2012 03:08 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 02:43 [NSL]BansheeHero wrote:On October 22 2012 02:40 Megabuster123 wrote:On October 22 2012 02:26 Soap wrote:
Sorry, but this is absolutely pathetic. I cringe to think of all the hardworking koreans that would give a limb to be where he was, hell, people were sexually abused in WeRRa and this brat stands up to complain that fucking Boxer does not treat him well enough? Is this really the attitude we want to support? What are you talking about? He is trying to say its ok to work at a broken company as long as there are enough molested kids around. From such statement, one could make a great judgment of his intellect. Woah woah woah, don't joke about molesting kids dude. That's just wrong even as sarcasm
Thats not me joking thats him being serious. (I just pointed out that he is not just obviously wrong, but also morally bankrupt)
I already made a sarcastic remark sooner.
EDIT: That is the mentioned WERRA scandal.
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On October 22 2012 07:17 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:04 Jepsyn wrote:On October 22 2012 03:04 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 02:44 Chillax wrote:
Are people seriously upset that he released it in an audio format instead of text? The guy is on holiday with his wife celebrating his wedding anniversary..... He read it verbatim, thus a written format exists. Whether he is celebrating or not has no context in the matter. Releasing audio takes more time and effort than to release a written format that already exists prior to the audio recording. On October 22 2012 02:10 Intricacy wrote:
Apologies that our initial statement was not also written down. I found that releasing text-based statements, while professional, are not always the best at portraying a team's passion in standing by their players. Team press releases always come off really sterile in my opinion.
As owner and manager of Axiom, I would like to say that even though Jessica has issued a response to our statement, we refuse to engage in a drawn out drama that would have little actual benefit to anyone. Right now, we are focusing on our upcoming November schedule where CranK will compete at MLG Dallas, Lonestar Clash 2 and IPL5.
Thank you to those who have listened to our statement with an open mind. Alright, I'm of the same opinion on the statement. Yet, I believe in releasing both. It makes for an easy way for either side to refer to it and state their comments. Now they have to transcript it first. If I haven't stressed it enough before, I really do applaud the effort on releasing an audio recording though. Might I also add that, maybe unwittingly, you've only lengthened the drama by accusing the other party instead of solely disproving accusations thrown at your player? Which, I may aswell mention did not include any evidence to which TotalBisquit alluded, such as chatlogs. On October 22 2012 02:19 shiroiusagi wrote:On October 22 2012 02:14 jellyjello wrote:
TB, you don't understand how big of a mess Mr. Won created when he isolated slayers by imposing other teams from practicing. Bullying is no fucking joke here in Korea. Ever wondered why all those players in TSL wanted to get the fuck out of the team a while ago? Yeah... That's right, the same reason why slayers were seemingly losing players for a dubious reason. For you to state that bullying from eSF was only a part of the problem indicates that you simply don't get it, because bullying was THE problem and Mr. Won knew exactly what he wanted to accomplish when he issued the banning. And TSL is still around. Indeed, because they chose to kiss eSF's butt straight after the ban. Besides, TSL was part of eSF thus it's only fair for them to be punished, instead of a team that's not even part of the organisation that embodies the majority of the scene. On October 22 2012 01:21 mrtomjones wrote:On October 21 2012 21:24 Shival wrote:
I am deeply disappointed in the statement released by TotalBisquit/Axiom/Crank. First of all it's solely an audio recording, even though he's reading it verbatim. Thus a written account must exist. Why is that written account not released to the public, as that's how one should release statements in this situation. While I do applaud your effort for releasing audio, solely it's just not enough.
Secondly, it's solely based on Crank's words. No so called chatlogs or evidence has been released by TotalBisquit which he did allude to earlier. This entire statement is a farce and not nearly enough to dispell any accusations.
Because it's an audio statement it will take me a while to transcript parts of it to respond to, but I'll try to make an effort to show where I feel it's insufficient or simply a faulty thought process. Wow you are ridiculous. Most of what Crank has said seems to be based on personal conversations. A lot of what Jessica has said was based on conversations too. You can either choose to believe Crank which seems fairly plausible to me or not but getting mad about TB doing it in audio form is retarded. Thanks, but I wasn't mad, I was disappointed, which is an entirely different emotion. Disappointed because it lacks professionalism which eSports teams sorely need. I tend to believe Jessica, Boxer and Cella because they so far have released the only evidence in this case. Sure, the evidence didn't pertain Crank, but she sure did show she was prepared and hasn't lied. This gives credit for other accusations. You should first of all realize that it's Jessica that gives Crank the option to humbly apologize before releasing evidence. Which in my opinion is a very saintly thing to give. You may also want to read my analysis of Crank's statement as it has contradictions and holes in it, without even using Jessica's statement as reference. Your dissapointment is completely illogical and ridiculous.. the fact that people want everything RIGHT NOW on the internet is disgusting I don't share that opinion. I think it's fair to expect evidence in some form if TotalBisquit earlier alluded to them reviewing chatlogs and other evidence. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:03 Thomanson wrote:
Release the tape then. The passive-aggressive 'oh, but I have proof' without actually....you know....showing any.... Is wasting all our time. Judging by what I've read and seen alone, things imploded rather completely on more than one front. What's the common factor? Who, at the end of the day, is responsible for keeping on top of issues inside the team? I don't read Korean, but judging from some of the 'threats' going around, there's some fear of her 'status' in the korean scene? If the Korean scene is based so much on say-so and hush orders and boycotts and bans.... Maybe they're better off getting out soonest and just let it implode. This was released at the most inopportune timing for Jessica. She has been filming in Thailand, and if I'm correct, is at the moment on the plane to South Korea. When she lands she has 2 hours to go to her next filming appointment in South Korea. Give her some slack, we had to wait 3 days or somesuch for TotalBisquits statement. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I would like to add one thing. There is no lie in regards to CranKs physical state. He is receiving physio for his condition and he did indeed suffer from it while in the SlayerS house. He has had this condition on record since his time at SKT1, it is not some mystery or fake illness. He suffers from flare ups, it occurred during MLG Raleigh though he hid it well and continued to play, he is currently at home resting after going in and out of hospital for this condition over tne last week, which is why he had to pull out of MvP, a tournament he was winning his bracket in I might add.
Discontent with SlayerS conditions and having to rest due to medical reasons are not mutually exclusive factors. Indeed, one aggravates the other.
On the subject of spoken statement, this is standard across the world, expect more of them and rightly so. This is a professional eSports scene, we should act the part. Isn't it strange however that he has been released from Slayers because of his neck problems, while streaming for 8-10 hours a day from that very same day he got released?
??? do u know how many people suffer in quiet daily pain with physical problems whilst at work? "oh no ive got contact dermatitis and look/feel like a burn victim" , "oh no i fell over in the bathroom and bruised/cracked my ribs", "oh no i have an agonising rash on my balls", "oh no i have rediculous acne and flaking skin and just want to drop dead and not be seen by anyone" -> you still go to work , keep your reputation/opportunities in standing , pay the bills and endure until things hopefully get better or the next big issue comes along. this isnt like getting the flu and someone covers your ass because your company doesnt really care if you're away for 3 days. this is making a real life living where nomatter how much relentless physical & mental suffering & torture you are put through you just keep on going
ps WTF do i have so many problems
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On October 22 2012 07:58 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:17 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 07:04 Jepsyn wrote:On October 22 2012 03:04 Shival wrote:On October 22 2012 02:44 Chillax wrote:
Are people seriously upset that he released it in an audio format instead of text? The guy is on holiday with his wife celebrating his wedding anniversary..... He read it verbatim, thus a written format exists. Whether he is celebrating or not has no context in the matter. Releasing audio takes more time and effort than to release a written format that already exists prior to the audio recording. On October 22 2012 02:10 Intricacy wrote:
Apologies that our initial statement was not also written down. I found that releasing text-based statements, while professional, are not always the best at portraying a team's passion in standing by their players. Team press releases always come off really sterile in my opinion.
As owner and manager of Axiom, I would like to say that even though Jessica has issued a response to our statement, we refuse to engage in a drawn out drama that would have little actual benefit to anyone. Right now, we are focusing on our upcoming November schedule where CranK will compete at MLG Dallas, Lonestar Clash 2 and IPL5.
Thank you to those who have listened to our statement with an open mind. Alright, I'm of the same opinion on the statement. Yet, I believe in releasing both. It makes for an easy way for either side to refer to it and state their comments. Now they have to transcript it first. If I haven't stressed it enough before, I really do applaud the effort on releasing an audio recording though. Might I also add that, maybe unwittingly, you've only lengthened the drama by accusing the other party instead of solely disproving accusations thrown at your player? Which, I may aswell mention did not include any evidence to which TotalBisquit alluded, such as chatlogs. On October 22 2012 02:19 shiroiusagi wrote:On October 22 2012 02:14 jellyjello wrote:
TB, you don't understand how big of a mess Mr. Won created when he isolated slayers by imposing other teams from practicing. Bullying is no fucking joke here in Korea. Ever wondered why all those players in TSL wanted to get the fuck out of the team a while ago? Yeah... That's right, the same reason why slayers were seemingly losing players for a dubious reason. For you to state that bullying from eSF was only a part of the problem indicates that you simply don't get it, because bullying was THE problem and Mr. Won knew exactly what he wanted to accomplish when he issued the banning. And TSL is still around. Indeed, because they chose to kiss eSF's butt straight after the ban. Besides, TSL was part of eSF thus it's only fair for them to be punished, instead of a team that's not even part of the organisation that embodies the majority of the scene. On October 22 2012 01:21 mrtomjones wrote:On October 21 2012 21:24 Shival wrote:
I am deeply disappointed in the statement released by TotalBisquit/Axiom/Crank. First of all it's solely an audio recording, even though he's reading it verbatim. Thus a written account must exist. Why is that written account not released to the public, as that's how one should release statements in this situation. While I do applaud your effort for releasing audio, solely it's just not enough.
Secondly, it's solely based on Crank's words. No so called chatlogs or evidence has been released by TotalBisquit which he did allude to earlier. This entire statement is a farce and not nearly enough to dispell any accusations.
Because it's an audio statement it will take me a while to transcript parts of it to respond to, but I'll try to make an effort to show where I feel it's insufficient or simply a faulty thought process. Wow you are ridiculous. Most of what Crank has said seems to be based on personal conversations. A lot of what Jessica has said was based on conversations too. You can either choose to believe Crank which seems fairly plausible to me or not but getting mad about TB doing it in audio form is retarded. Thanks, but I wasn't mad, I was disappointed, which is an entirely different emotion. Disappointed because it lacks professionalism which eSports teams sorely need. I tend to believe Jessica, Boxer and Cella because they so far have released the only evidence in this case. Sure, the evidence didn't pertain Crank, but she sure did show she was prepared and hasn't lied. This gives credit for other accusations. You should first of all realize that it's Jessica that gives Crank the option to humbly apologize before releasing evidence. Which in my opinion is a very saintly thing to give. You may also want to read my analysis of Crank's statement as it has contradictions and holes in it, without even using Jessica's statement as reference. Your dissapointment is completely illogical and ridiculous.. the fact that people want everything RIGHT NOW on the internet is disgusting I don't share that opinion. I think it's fair to expect evidence in some form if TotalBisquit earlier alluded to them reviewing chatlogs and other evidence. On October 22 2012 07:03 Thomanson wrote:
Release the tape then. The passive-aggressive 'oh, but I have proof' without actually....you know....showing any.... Is wasting all our time. Judging by what I've read and seen alone, things imploded rather completely on more than one front. What's the common factor? Who, at the end of the day, is responsible for keeping on top of issues inside the team? I don't read Korean, but judging from some of the 'threats' going around, there's some fear of her 'status' in the korean scene? If the Korean scene is based so much on say-so and hush orders and boycotts and bans.... Maybe they're better off getting out soonest and just let it implode. This was released at the most inopportune timing for Jessica. She has been filming in Thailand, and if I'm correct, is at the moment on the plane to South Korea. When she lands she has 2 hours to go to her next filming appointment in South Korea. Give her some slack, we had to wait 3 days or somesuch for TotalBisquits statement. On October 22 2012 06:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I would like to add one thing. There is no lie in regards to CranKs physical state. He is receiving physio for his condition and he did indeed suffer from it while in the SlayerS house. He has had this condition on record since his time at SKT1, it is not some mystery or fake illness. He suffers from flare ups, it occurred during MLG Raleigh though he hid it well and continued to play, he is currently at home resting after going in and out of hospital for this condition over tne last week, which is why he had to pull out of MvP, a tournament he was winning his bracket in I might add.
Discontent with SlayerS conditions and having to rest due to medical reasons are not mutually exclusive factors. Indeed, one aggravates the other.
On the subject of spoken statement, this is standard across the world, expect more of them and rightly so. This is a professional eSports scene, we should act the part. Isn't it strange however that he has been released from Slayers because of his neck problems, while streaming for 8-10 hours a day from that very same day he got released? ??? do u know how many people suffer in quiet daily pain with physical problems whilst at work? "oh no ive got contact dermatitis and look/feel like a burn victim" , "oh no i fell over in the bathroom and bruised/cracked my ribs", "oh no i have an agonising rash on my balls", -> you still go to work , keep your reputation/opportunities in standing , pay the bills and endure until things hopefully get better or the next big issue comes along. this isnt like getting the flu and someone covers your ass because your company doesnt really care if you're away for 3 days. this is making a real life living where nomatter how much relentless physical & mental suffering & torture you are put through you just keep on going
Yes I do know, which is exactly what makes me wonder about Crank's reasoning. I don't see what made you think I didn't. If you'd like to read up further on why I think the way I do, here's a little quote I made in another thread about this subject with some more details.
However he does seem to have used it as an excuse in the matter. Here's a couple of facts and statements (gained through various threads, even older ones), make of it what you will.
- He first mentioned his disk problem somewhere close, but before the 21st of july 2012. He asked to go home to practice for the RO4 of the GSTL. (side comment: what difference does home make in the case of neck problems?)
- During this time he told Cella that he wasn't going to practice at home and to keep it a secret.
- On the 21st of july 2012 he asked if he could be removed from the roster of the GSTL. No reply to either of Jessica's messages on that day. Even though it was the RO4 on that day.
- Some time later but between the 21st and 26th of july 2012, Cella told Jessica that Crank told him he would be quitting the game. He (Crank) stated himself to Jessica that he wanted to rest, and had no thoughts of joining another team be it foreign or otherwise.
- He was released (voluntarily) by Slayers on the 26th due to disk problems and tiredness.
- On that very same day he was found streaming for 8 to 10 hours. This continued for at the very least a couple more days.
- During his streams he actively tried to find new teams to support him.
Isn't this a very short term to change your mind so completely, not to mention apperantly not having as much problems with your neck at the time as you were making them/and us believe.
Also:
"Crank claims that he only planned to play SC2 till the end of this year, and he left the team so he could play the game comfortably, but we'll have to see if that's true. Just in case he wants to change his story later, I recorded his call."
Now I assume that's the Korean new year (Februari 10th, 2013), so let's see shall we? I don't know why Axiom thinks it's a good idea to sign a player that claims to play for such a short term only. Oh well...
Also, I get the feeling you yourself have had physical pain during your job. I'm sorry to hear that if so, I know how difficult it can be.
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Shival I am curious, where did you get the information that CranK was "found streaming for 8 to 10 hours" on the 26th of July?
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idk anything about that, at first glance to me honestly it seems more like he'd simply HAD ENOUGH and when released from the burden and stress of it all could chill out streaming for the day
i have no idea anyway what this thread is even about
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Very interesting. Nice to hear both sides of the story.
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On October 22 2012 08:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Shival I am curious, where did you get the information that CranK was "found streaming for 8 to 10 hours" on the 26th of July?
Well first of all it was something I personally could remember when he was dismissed from his team. There was quite a controversy at that time aswell. I know this isn't proof enough, as I've been hammering this home for a while now in regards to Crank's statement.
So give me a minute to gather what I've looked up a while ago. I'll edit this post.
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On July 25 2012 23:41 Ingebrigtsen wrote:
wow, he should really get some love, waking up at 6 am just so that he could stream at a good time, big props
On July 26 2012 11:21 Heh_ wrote:
Wait a sec... Crank has a slipped disc (sounds like it) and he's streaming like a boss? Something seems strange to me.
On July 26 2012 11:30 skyrunner wrote:
Pretty obvious that something else going on with crank.
Yesterday he said several times that he was teamless and not on slayers. Now when he saw the news he stopped streaming...
On July 26 2012 11:32 Waxangel wrote:
neck disk? "hyper enteritis" woulda been more believable
On July 26 2012 16:58 herbie wrote:
♥ Genius, He would be unstoppable with the right practice.
The Crank situation seems very shady, I saw him say several times say "no team" in a skype conv. Why would he change his twitter and everything for an injury. "Secret House", "Can't show my face", why not just announce it sooner. Something went on that they are trying to cover up.
On July 27 2012 11:15 Isillian wrote:Thanks for streaming, I hope you keep doing it .
On July 27 2012 10:17 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 07:09 opterown wrote:On July 27 2012 07:00 jinorazi wrote:On July 27 2012 05:10 Wuster wrote:On July 27 2012 02:43 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I am quite surprised to see such a lazy player like Genius enter a team which places such a focus on constant practice and repetition which Genius seems to hate. Still, hope he finds a good home in SlayerS, and Crank finds a good team. I think Genius' aversion to practice is overstated. He likes to brag that he doesn't put much effort into maintaining Code S, but in season 1 we saw he had the ability to turn it on. Plus he was an ex-BW pro (fellow Terran b-teamer with Idra in fact). So it's not like he doesn't know how to grind out games. The Crank thing just gets stranger by the day... I wonder if it's related to the MMA thing; but I guess we won't be finding out. "Regarding their released protoss player, Crank, Slayers stated that "Crank had a problem with the disk of his neck and is currently recieving treatment at home.Accusations of him leaving due to a fight within the team is false. We Hope Crank concentrates only on his recovery and we hope that everything turns out well. We hope we can see him back in the future.:" still smells fishy haha Exactly, I read the op, I just don't buy it (especially with what people are saying about Crank's stream).
Thanks to Darmuth for pointing out to me that I forgot to mention something here. So here goes. I quoted this because I found it important to show that Crank made a new streaming account instead or made a thread for it. Obviously what is being said in this quote had been edited later than July the 28th. Last edit is: 2012-10-07 00:22:19. I'm sorry for this mistake.
On August 06 2012 12:28 Clefairy wrote:After several weeks of Jessica's random spats of rage on Twitter at someone she didn't mention. Crank:As expected. I definitely spent over 2 hours talking with them and thought we came to an understanding. I'm an idiot for even attempting to talk it out. I really want to applaud their determination. If there's something you want to say please do it over the phone whoever it is. Don't write it on Twitter. I had neck pain so I returned home to rest, and I couldn't see eye to eye with the team's management policies so I tried many times to talk with them but nothing changed so I left the team. But then the next day the article says I had neck disk problems. Is there even time to bother about a nobody like me. Please just stop talking behind my back. I'm getting so much stress. https://twitter.com/CranK829
That's all the info I could find in a short time a while back. While I certainly agree that never is the amount of time said in these quotes. I hope we both can agree that the general tone is that he's been streaming quite religiously those days. Apperantly it also started a bit earlier than what I could remember (25th or earlier of July instead of 26th).
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<3 TB.
Thanks so much for posting this.
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wow it is nice to hear from Crank! Gives a different perspective from everything else! Too bad this issue is still yet to be resolved.
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I am so sick of Jessica. So sick. Always drama. Always bullshit. Very often on the wrong end, but even in cases where she is proven right, I am left with such a sour taste in my mouth. It saddens me to say this, because I have such respect for Boxer and Slayers, but I am happy that they disbanded if only for players to get proper management and for Jessica to stop being involved in all of this crap.
Enough is enough. She deserves, and thankfully receives, very little respect.
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On October 22 2012 02:29 KivTM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 01:23 mrtomjones wrote:On October 22 2012 01:13 KivTM wrote:
I like you total biscuit but I thought it was a poor statement. Very little evidence, a whole lot of sympathy fishing and no specifics on how exactly the team was being mismanaged. I also disagree with you when you say that it would be difficult for a few players to bring down an oranisation. Once a seed of mistrust is planted, it stays there especially if planted by influential players like MMA. Saying that, the main reason of disbanding was probably due to what Manager J told the players about Jessica embezzling money (which I can't believe because it doesnt make any sense for Boxer to spend loads of cash to form a team just to steal from the players) Without picking a side anyone could tell that stuff was not good in Slayers at a certain point. Even before they had to bench MMA and such there were things that looked bad for them. I agree but what Im questioning is Cranks insistence on Boxer/Jessica doing nothing to solve the problems or those problems arising from a lack of management. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling Crank a liar, I'd just like some specifics, evidence etc. This statement offers very little and doesnt really add much to anything much less clear the air. Saying that, I can understand if axiom is hesitant releasing any specifics until they are sure about what they can say (im sure theres alot of behind the scenes chit chat going on).
"I didn't believe the living conditions were fair, so I made sure everyone else knew I thought the living conditions were unfair. Then, when living conditions didn't get better, I asked to leave so that I could go to a place with better living conditions. My house. But it turns out that was really hard on me... so I got angry and left the team, burning as many bridges as possible along the way. Oh, and I made sure to tell all of my teammates what fuckers those bastards in management were for not listening to my complaints even though I contributed almost nothing in terms of value for the team in all of the time I was being fed and housed by the team. This may or may not have caused a significant amount of friction between my teammates and the management, which may or may not have played a part in the team disbanding... but all in all, I've done nothing I regret and believe things turned out about as well as they could have in the end."
Yeah... I know I'm skewing what he said... but that's probably how the majority of the collectivist minded Koreans see Crank's situation...
That's how I see it anyways. BoxeR SPECIFICALLY made the team to have better conditions than the ones he had when he started out as a progamer... I guess the "improved conditions" weren't good enough for the players on SlayerS. I don't mean to make them sound ungrateful... but what other job out of middle school gives you the ability to become famous and make hundreds of thousands of dollars on pure hard work alone? While also giving you free food and lodging and practice equipment and coaching? Especially in Korea... the land of three college degrees per waiter...
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On October 22 2012 08:40 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Yeah... I know I'm skewing what he said...
I'm not entirely sure why we release statements if people are willing to just make up their own.
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On October 22 2012 08:36 LaM wrote:
I am so sick of Jessica. So sick. Always drama. Always bullshit. Very often on the wrong end, but even in cases where she is proven right, I am left with such a sour taste in my mouth. It saddens me to say this, because I have such respect for Boxer and Slayers, but I am happy that they disbanded if only for players to get proper management and for Jessica to stop being involved in all of this crap.
Enough is enough. She deserves, and thankfully receives, very little respect.
I think you speak for pretty much everyone with this. I couldn't have voiced how I feel better myself.
This stuff really needs to get aired. She really needs to stay far away from anything involved with managing people. I'm sure she has many talents, and can be successful in other things, but for her own and everyone she deals with's sake, she should stay away from this kinda stuff.
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On October 22 2012 08:19 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Shival I am curious, where did you get the information that CranK was "found streaming for 8 to 10 hours" on the 26th of July? Well first of all it was something I personally could remember when he was dismissed from his team. There was quite a controversy at that time aswell. I know this isn't proof enough, as I've been hammering this home for a while now in regards to Crank's statement. So give me a minute to gather what I've looked up a while ago. I'll edit this post. Edit: That's all the info I could find in a short time a while back. While I certainly agree that never is the amount of time said in these quotes. I hope we both can agree that the general tone is that he's been streaming quite religiously those days. Apperantly it also started a bit earlier than what I could remember (25th or earlier of July instead of 26th).
Whoa that is amazing research there considering that Axiom was not anouced until September 26, and MLG Summer Championship in which TB sponsored him and went by the name of Cynical Crank was August 24 through 26 and yet you're claiming that he anouced he was part of Axiom in July? Before it even existed? Either you need to do better research or you're lying outright to prove a point. Do you happen to work in politics?
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