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Bill Murray
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Bill Murray
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 13 2012 21:26 Bill Murray wrote: Also, Mementoss is where my vote is going to go. DYH was my first suspect, and Mementoss, since coming into the game, has a WHOPPING 3 POSTS. One says "hi", the 2nd is griefing/disruptive, and the 3rd is an excuse. Why not gravan? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
the guy has 3 posts since he replaced in days upon days ago, one of them is one word, and the most recent is an excuse to be lurking. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 13 2012 21:22 Bill Murray wrote: cute you're still scum. role=/=alignment. I'm not talking about roles unless of course I want to make it look like I'm talking about roles, in that case I'm totally talking about roles. But I guess you're good. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
Second, nothing in Gravan's filter has changed my read on him between that point in time and now, so my vote stays on him. Third, in terms of other reads, right now BM is very scum. He's soft-defending Gravan on the basis of a converse-associative tell versus Krebs. (Krebs = scum therefore Gravan =/= scum). This is bad play, because:
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 13 2012 22:31 Bill Murray wrote: Why not respond to any of my points? the guy has 3 posts since he replaced in days upon days ago, one of them is one word, and the most recent is an excuse to be lurking. Why not Gravan is my question. I have a scumread on MMToss too, but he can wait until tomorrow. Why not Gravan is my question today. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On September 13 2012 22:36 Shady Sands wrote: Why not Gravan is my question. I have a scumread on MMToss too, but he can wait until tomorrow. Why not Gravan is my question today. Why not MMToss? I am going to read both of their (short) filters again and see what I come up with. Toad. It seems as if you have a town read on BM now? The interplay between you both is going way over my head. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 13 2012 22:58 DarthPunk wrote: Why not MMToss? I am going to read both of their (short) filters again and see what I come up with. Toad. It seems as if you have a town read on BM now? The interplay between you both is going way over my head. Gravan's actively lurking; MMToss is completely lurking. Active lurking > completely lurking as a scumread in my book; also active lurking has more potential to disrupt town scumhunt than completely lurking. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
His Strongest scum reads were - Forumite and Z - Boson Who have both flipped green. His play is scummy and he is lurking but the same could be said for many players in this game. He jumped on the Forumite lynch late. The rational behind his vote seemed to be simple repetition of the case made by others. This seems to be a theme with him. With one exception. On September 05 2012 09:38 Gravan wrote: First, the straightforward part. It seems to me that Matt is most likely an assassin, or a very careless player. As many have said before me, there is no case for him to do what he did from a town perspective. To me, it seems that if he were mafia or town, we would likely have seen at least some kind of attempt at an explanation - either to strengthen his fellow mafia by giving them 'towncred' as they jump on his bandwagon or to try to convince us we are making a mistake as a town blue. As an assassin, he could just be seeing his end and giving up - this is of course moot if he decides to put in his piece later. Since he is apparently not a random newbie (who is a random newb, anyway  ?), and clearly likes to be an active player, it shouts assasinto me. Since it is day 1 and we only have so much information, we essentially have to lynch him anyway (even if we were nearly certain he is an assassin. At this time, I'll be throwing my vote his way. The post where I make my comments on the information currently present (as in, not to do with the matt bandwagon) is coming up later. I just wanted to put down somehing somewhat solid so thanI can start to develop a post hostory, watery as it might be. His assertion that matt was actually an Assassin seems to be his greatest personal input into the game. He was called on it immediately of course, and thus he backs away from any defense of matt at a rate of knots and votes for him anyway. He does actually put effort into a case on BM but it is quickly rebuked by Z -Boson and others and he then get's into a rather protracy.ted defense. Mild OMGUS on Shady and that's about it. Not much to go on. Definitely scummy but nothing concrete. TLDR; Seems to go along with the majority and has put little input into the game aside from Two major exceptions Defending mattchew then backing down and voting for him. A weak case on BM He jumps onto the Forumite mislynch late and gives very weak reasoning. Generally scummy and lurking. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
##vote: Gravan see you guys tomorrow...zzzzzzz | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
BM seems to think Gravan is town though. And I think I know why. BM. What is your position on Sloosh? Also I went through Rewok's filter and something jumped out at me. On September 09 2012 10:43 Rewok wrote: I get where you're coming from. After today's vote, I'm pretty shaky on my position as well. The truth is: I made cases for Mattchew, BKE and Mav. Pretty much the same as every other town in this game. If you're going to try to prove me red, you've got to prove every other player as well (minus the lukers.) All I can say is this: I'm gonna need a ton of reading before I put down another vote like that one. On September 11 2012 04:07 Rewok wrote: I've been wrong every time I voted on my own instinct and right the time I followed Toade so my vote is for Forumite. ##vote: Forumite These combined with his epic list post which contained a null read on everybody makes me like him as a lurker lynch. There is a shit ton of scummy stuff in his filter. On September 05 2012 09:48 Rewok wrote: Been keeping up my reading. Here's how the situation seems to me: We're voting Mattchew today. Pretty much no getting out of that. If he turns up scum, Ottox and a few others could be on the chopping block. If he's town, we've got a whole new set of reads. But it seems to me that our whole strategy hinges on how Mattchew turns up after he's killed. Is there any way we can get another read / another kill set up for D1? One which doesn't hinge on Mattchew's alignment? I'm asking because you guys are way more familiar with the way TL mafia runs. The above seems to completely contradict this next post. On September 06 2012 11:44 Rewok wrote: Been keeping up on this, just nothing to add. I thought Matt would flip red, he did, so I'm suspicious of Otto still. Until Otto is cleared or dead, I don't have much else to add. Great D1 though :-) Hapa also had some suspicion on him. On September 09 2012 07:29 Hapahauli wrote: Rewok Since BKE flipped town, this caught my eye: First he's hesitant to lynch BKE. Then he wants to vote for him because "it's better to get some blood than no blood" - NOT because he thinks BKE is mafia. He then points fingers at two people (Mav and ShiaoPi). Vigi shot anyone? Thoughts? | ||
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DarthPunk
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On September 13 2012 22:46 Toadesstern wrote: voting for Mementoss to get lynched seems like a good plan for today. Thoughts? wat Trying to kill all discussion like your let happen in day 3? You seem so scummy but the events that happened last night were such a mindfuck im trying to wrap my head around it. But, you are one of the best scum players around so your confidence in knowing about Zbosons fakeclaim then killing him to confirm yourself would be a game winning move for yourself. This is how you usually play as scum, big moves, that win you games. I'm not convinced about the WIFOM garbage from last night and neither should anyone else. Treat Toad by his filter, not by the zboson scandal. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Maverickx32: This guy is so obviously scum its unreal how he is still alive. The only reason he was ignored in day 1 was because of ottoxlols crazy play (typical of him). Lets take a walk through his filter. On September 04 2012 13:17 Maverick32x wrote: Hey guys- got a chance to catch up and I have a couple thoughts. First- Not totally comfortable voting Mattchew at this point.. I understand the potential for lying about the role claim.. and I'm not a big fan of role claiming in general... HOWEVER- I'd like to reiterate BlackMamba's post that said something to the tune of "ITT- Townies arguing with Townies" because I find that people are so quick to blame each other for stupid stuff that we end up wasting the first couple days with literally zero reason for voting someone besides "They drew a picture".... That being said- I'd like to draw a little bit of attention to the first voter for whom I feel like I can make an actual observation on- Toadesstern. The reason I want to focus on that is just because of the speed at which he strikes out just makes me wonder why that's beneficial from a town perspective? And I'm just wondering if he just wanted to try to promote chaos right away?? Also- consistently attacking other posters seems to be a trend.... Here, this statement is so wishy washy and shitty its unbelievable. He doesn't say he thinks mattchew is scum or town, he says he feels uncomfortable voting. You know who feels unconfortable voting? Scum. Voting promotes discussion and allows town to get consolidation on the best lynch for the end of the day. Also, waiting until other people vote allows for you to more easily blend in. This post alone was worth a vig shot after mattchew flipped scum. On September 04 2012 23:52 Maverick32x wrote: I voted for Matt due to the lying- but I would be curious to hear if he has a defense of some kind?? This is basically him pleading his scum buddy who fucked up to somehow fix it. On September 06 2012 08:01 Maverick32x wrote: Why am I being casually FoS'ed? I don't think I've ever seen a solid case against me, but I keep seeing people just drop my name into the list as an add-on without any reason? I find THAT a bit suspicious. Yes, people has been name dropping your scummy play all game, and it keeps getting brushed under the rug? You know why, because scum is diverting attention to more popular cases. Also, nice trying to shift the attention off yourself onto the accusers. Also, you never once comment on ANY of the cases put on you. On September 07 2012 10:14 Maverick32x wrote: I don't even know what Dwarf Fortress Mafia is?? How is that relevant? And yes- I acknowledge I defended Matt because I had no reason NOT to. He had just made a post and a couple people started to jump on him about it. I honestly would not of voted him if Palmer didn't say that NN were not self-aware. I'm not too concerned with 'looking better' but rather trying to scum hunt and win. Its not that you defended matt, its that you wouldnt give a solid stance on him at all. Only commented on it so you could be seen as being 'active'. BTW if you'd rather scum hunt than why haven't you at all this game? Pre-game you stated you haev lots fo time for the game, however, your filter is 2 pages in a 100 page game. Strange. You obviously just made the few short cases to say "hey I made casez guyz" Because just shortly later your like, yeah I guess I'm wrong, lets lynch a lurker. Cause thats always a safe thing to say to be town right? Even though you yourself are the one lurking in plain sight. On September 07 2012 22:05 Maverick32x wrote: Because you're posting. And that's atleast an indication of some kind of engagement. BKE has fluffy posts, defends Matt a bit, and then just kinda floats around....however, I'm sticking with my lurking instincts and just going to take ShiaoPi out. On September 08 2012 02:13 Maverick32x wrote: I honestly have no problem voting BKE. I thought I was clear with reason I voted for Shiao... I wanted him to post... And look!! He's had more posts after be called out than all game! Also yes- I'm considering more than one person as scummy or pointing out odd behaviors... Not going to lie, by voting with your instincts, It really sounded like you wanted people to think he was scum, but wait it was just a pressure vote. Also I think the real reason you voted Shio was to keep off the bad BKE bandwagon for as long as you could. Then you basically make a case on BKE after the fact that he is the popular choice for the day. It feels so forced, you aren;t scum hutning to find scum, you are scum hunting because you need to blend in. On September 11 2012 13:19 Maverick32x wrote: 1) I'm voting Z-Boson... 2)- I made a whole post on forumite.... 3)- Yup. I think my post did rustle up some friction.... On September 07 2012 09:40 Maverick32x wrote: Dang, you guys know my play style better than I do!! Okay, I'm flipping through filters and I don't want to OMGUS , but come on Forumite..... your scumminess is showing... ^ Circumstantial connections. And a lot of hypothetical connections in this defense. Not to mention he kind of alludes to the fact that by now the scum have jumped on the band wagon. Also he is REALLY trying to distance himself from Matt.. excessively so... I'll be posting more shortly- but this one just made me /facepalm and I wanted to post while still fresh in my mind. Another thing that I was thinking- Forumite accuses me and Hapahauli as his number 1 and 2 scum reads. I have 2 problems with this- 1) I'm not scum. 2) Hapahauli was one of the people who seemed adamant about asking if NN is self-aware.... that seems awfully townie to me. Guys look how town I am, I have to announce it almost every chance I get. On September 09 2012 12:43 Maverick32x wrote: Well- with BKE's flip, I think we need to look at people who weren't involved in any discussion and voted anyways, or people who are lurking.... Lurking seems to be really popular in this game? I'm thinking that we need to start putting pressure on the lurkers to try to stir something up there. I will start to look through some filters to get a better idea of who these people would be, but I figure that may be a good start. Lurking and not invloved in dicusssion. Like yourself? You have been saying this shit ALL game, but you have done NOTHING to change it or even try to be invloved yourself. On September 12 2012 07:50 Maverick32x wrote: Okay. Just read through the latest lynch... I was planning on dropping my notes but it just would look cluttered so I'm going to settle with the people that I'm REALLY sure are mafia and give my explanation for it. I am ranking them in the order of my confidence in my read. My top 3 are tied for number 1 reads. ShiaoPi - Scummy. Really scummy. DISAPPEARS when the vote comes. <- this is copied straight out of my notes that I was taking.... Honestly.. just read through his filter/posts!! There is no way this guy is town. 0. No chance. I think he voted Z-Boson because he knew it would be a throw-away vote. Shady Sands- just scummy. Hard defends Shiao. Argues with Hapa (town). DISAPPEARS when the vote comes. <- So similar to the play style of ShiaoPi and there seems to be some really slight buddying occurring. He continues to live in "Matthchew" land and never seems to snap into the current thread which kind of shows me a lack of understanding. His most recent attack on Gravan to be honest is just an attempt to push an early vote while scum is being successful. Rewok- side steps responsibility constantly. He has ONE PAGE OF FILTER. (@!#*(@!* So either awful town, or scum. DoYouHas Mementoss- Totally uninvolved. Voted me besides it having zero impact on the game. Scummy. His ONE saving grace is that he repped DoYouHas... the only problem with that is DoYouHas was kind of scummy.... and Mementoss is doing just about nothing to save that... Also Shady's 'coin flip' indicates that one of his options is scum... and its Mementoss. Toadesstern- Random poker talk? Discusses roles bit. Rustles up the forumite case based off a different game. Makes an interesting accusation that either Grush OR sandy is scum… makes me think Grush is likely town and Shadey is scum based on my reads above. Defends Shady shortly after that "Or" post and soft attacks him same post indicating some sort of ambivalence about being too closely connected. DISAPPEARS when its voting time, even though he kind of was a major advocate of the Forumite lynch at the start..... slosh- posts late. Softly attacks forumite. References past games a lot. Afks most of the game when discussions are getting active. Gets active on Forumite then gone. He references that scum's plan is likely to lay low.. which is exactly what he is doing. So there you have it. It will take a miracle from God to get me to vote anyone but those top 3. The bottom 3 have some leverage to work with, but not much. This is just awful. Lets make cases on all the lurkers so if someone decides to kill a lurker it wont be maverick. Also it's really easy to do this as scum to look liek contributing but really, doing a case on 6 players doesn;t put ANY pressure on any of them to do anything. The cases are so short and bad they have no leverage to gain steam and force any discussion. Even if it did gain steam scum could jsut redirect maverick throguh one of the scum list that is actually town. God damn man. On September 13 2012 12:45 Maverick32x wrote: Though a decent argument could be started with Darth's latest post... Its pretty obvious why Toad would be considered 'confirmed town' based off Z-boson's threat that he would take a mafia down with his role..... Sounds like you're playing ignorant? Either way, you avoided my top 3 list, so I'll let it slide. Toad is not anywhere close to confirmed town don't be ignorant. On September 13 2012 12:43 Maverick32x wrote: voting ShiaoPi... Nice lets have another day 3 where nobody talks. This is really getting the town involved in discussion... not. And just to let you guys know. Mav is no noob. His first game was like 9 months ago with my first game. In that game he was town and was emotionally invested in what happened in the game. He was helping to lead the town and actualyl cared aout what happened. This game he is just going with the motions and actively lurking to slide by. The feel is a million times different. This is just supplemental to all the scummy shit he did all game. I know its old meta but take a look. None of the cases on maverick take off and he never gets enough votes to feel any pressure. This is because his team is fucking helping him slide by. He's been at least a target or mentioned by a couple people every cycle. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315941 I have more to come later but I'm on lunch at work. So vote maverick cause hes obviously scum and its a start. | ||
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Mementoss
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
But I'm willing to sheep someone else today, for the good of town! | ||
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