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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Its pretty obvious why Toad would be considered 'confirmed town' based off Z-boson's threat that he would take a mafia down with his role..... Sounds like you're playing ignorant? Either way, you avoided my top 3 list, so I'll let it slide. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On September 12 2012 07:50 Maverick32x wrote: Shady Sands- just scummy. Hard defends Shiao. Argues with Hapa (town). DISAPPEARS when the vote comes. <- So similar to the play style of ShiaoPi and there seems to be some really slight buddying occurring. He continues to live in "Matthchew" land and never seems to snap into the current thread which kind of shows me a lack of understanding. His most recent attack on Gravan to be honest is just an attempt to push an early vote while scum is being successful. Hey Mav, why isn't Gravan on your scummy-lurker list? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:43 Maverick32x wrote: voting ShiaoPi... Lulz... Well if you want to continue ignoring my responses... /shrug | ||
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ShiaoPi
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slOosh
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Let's lynch Graven. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
we are still in great shape | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
Until I see something different from you I am going to lay a huge FoS Shady Sands on you. I am going to look at grushes filter and at those accusing grush. Austin was sure he was town. and the swiftness of those first few votes concerns me. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:45 Maverick32x wrote: Though a decent argument could be started with Darth's latest post... Its pretty obvious why Toad would be considered 'confirmed town' based off Z-boson's threat that he would take a mafia down with his role..... Sounds like you're playing ignorant? Either way, you avoided my top 3 list, so I'll let it slide. Please elaborate on what you are talking about? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On September 13 2012 15:04 DarthPunk wrote: Shady WTF is with that ninja vote. And not only that but sheeping the first case of the day, without adding anything to it even though the case is well established it is pretty weak. This game is so far removed from the games I have played/obs'd with you it's like you are in a different universe. It's just not how you play. If you are town. Please try and conform to your town meta. Not only will that alleviate my aching suspicion of you right now but that is the exact voice we need. Until I see something different from you I am going to lay a huge FoS Shady Sands on you. I am going to look at grushes filter and at those accusing grush. Austin was sure he was town. and the swiftness of those first few votes concerns me. if you vote shady, i will gladly join you | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On September 13 2012 12:55 slOosh wrote: Not confirmed but it's a strong indicator. There was somewhat of a potential lynch building up against Z-Boson so scum would only have taken the route to shoot for the benefit of 2 deaths for 1 KP. If Toad were scum then they could have just shot someone else and pushed for Z-Boson (as seen from flips supported by town), lynches being the only thing scum are afraid of since I'm pretty sure there aren't any vigs left. We know Toad isn't scum so he is either town or assassin, and in either case we leave him alone. Let's lynch Graven. That's exactly right. You can defiantly lean town on him but going from that to confirmed makes me uncomfortable. Especially when people are talking about sheeping him immediately. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On September 13 2012 15:15 Bill Murray wrote: if you vote shady, i will gladly join you Which makes me less inclined to vote shady at all. How are you confirmed town again? Oh wait you aren't despite your load assertions that you are. I am more willing to lynch you instead. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
ShiaoPi - Not posting much and lurking. I did read through his filters though and I dont really see much pointing him towards mafia compared to other lurkers. So not really feeling him right now, although hes pretty much a null read. Gravan - This is the lurker I feel best about. Apparently there were some suspicions of him D1 when he soft-defended Matt calling him 3rd party. Now, I do often attribute saying stupid things to bad town play (a lot more than others here seem to do at least, so much bad play being called suspicious all over here...) but this one doesnt fit inexperienced bad townie play to me at all. Why would you stick your head out like that calling him 3rd party already on D1? Also, the feeling the need to contribute (which definitely can be bad townie play, new players might not wanna lurk and look scummy as town because they often feel lurking = scummy. Being quite new myself I definitely felt the need to contribute sometimes even though I really dont have much to say) probably more often takes shape in calling out cases on random people with very little backing it up. But I dont feel it comes in the shape of calling 3rd party on someone already looking highly suspicious. Examples: This can easily be just bad townie play wanting to contribute: + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2012 10:16 Gravan wrote: I think Bill Murray is scum. This is the first time he mentions me. At this point, he hasn't put forward any kind of read on me at all. In addition, many of his posts up until this point (not to mention quite a few afterward) are pointless one-liners, or just generally non-contributing. The next thing he does is tell austin to read my filter as if I was scum (again, not argument put forward on his part - he is talking as if me being scum is a forgone conclusion). + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2012 07:18 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains. It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this. Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this: Matt got caught Ottoxlol tried to save him, without realizing how bad an idea it was Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was A decent scum player told him right after he got caught looking very odd that he couldn't back off his defense, because then he'd look even scummier So he went full bore nuts, and that's why he won't listen to anyone or anything It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this. Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot Then he goes on to say that hap is on his scumlist for "coaching" me. + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2012 07:23 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + Null. Deal with it. His posts/logic right now could come from either mafia or bad-townie. I don't have enough information to make a decision since hasn't posted much. Fortunately we have 48 hours to make a read on him. yeah youre on my scum list so is gravan you openly coached him Afterwards, he includes doyouhas in this list. + Show Spoiler + filter On September 06 2012 07:27 imallinson wrote: Show nested quote + I'd say Gravan looks real scummy right now. He attempted the same thing as Ottox, defending Matt by saying he was probably an assassin, but much more quietly and backed away as soon as he realised it was a bad idea. If anything that looks more scummy than Ottox at the moment. THANK YOU. Go read Gravan's filter, and tell me if you don't find hapa coaching him? 2nd person I've caught him coaching that looks like scum with him (Doyouhas is the other) His next two posts that mention me go on to mention (offhandedly) the apparently obvious need to have me shot by a vig. Further, if you read his filter he is very non-comittal on the otto-defending-matt-and-generally-acting-scummy issue. His posts are passively worded and just softly agree with the flow of the thread at the time. However this to me does like bad and scummy: + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2012 09:38 Gravan wrote: First, the straightforward part. It seems to me that Matt is most likely an assassin, or a very careless player. As many have said before me, there is no case for him to do what he did from a town perspective. To me, it seems that if he were mafia or town, we would likely have seen at least some kind of attempt at an explanation - either to strengthen his fellow mafia by giving them 'towncred' as they jump on his bandwagon or to try to convince us we are making a mistake as a town blue. As an assassin, he could just be seeing his end and giving up - this is of course moot if he decides to put in his piece later. Since he is apparently not a random newbie (who is a random newb, anyway  ?), and clearly likes to be an active player, it shouts assasinto me. Since it is day 1 and we only have so much information, we essentially have to lynch him anyway (even if we were nearly certain he is an assassin. At this time, I'll be throwing my vote his way. The post where I make my comments on the information currently present (as in, not to do with the matt bandwagon) is coming up later. I just wanted to put down somehing somewhat solid so thanI can start to develop a post hostory, watery as it might be. And the rest of his posts from there on does nothing to change this. If anything it does the opposite. - Bill Murray. Havent forgot about him, still would like him lynched. In addition to my previous reason to vote on him (read my filter) I would like to add that it seems like hes trying to taunt us with his constant "you should have listened to me" and "I knew about them flipping green all the time". Trying to analyze a troll might be futile, but I see that more fitting a scummy troll than just a regular troll. Its like hes having fun and wants to push it as far as he can get for shits n' giggles. - Strongandbig. Feeling his has gone a bit lately, and thats the problem. I pointed out in a previous post recently after I had joined about his non-committing posting. Theres a descent amount of post but very little scumhunting and committing to cases. And since then he hasnt really done anything except joining the wagon on Forumite and his posting quantity has gone down a bit. This kind of play fits very well with a mafia who wants to blend in and kinda knows how to do it without looking stupid (as opposed to Gravan) but still doesnt really add anything to the discussion of finding scum. If theres anyone I would like to see some extra discussion on when Im back, its S&B. Some people has also mentioned Shady and Mav. I've already covered Mav very fast in a previous post that I have very little on him but I do think he posted townish a while back so still likely not gonna vote him. For now, I'll also say the same about Shady. Grush - Id love to see some more pressure on him due to his stupid playstyle, but for now I dont see that happening and I really dont have much reason to believe him to be scummy over anyone else. Plus in the stupid playstyle category BM wins the scummy-looking award anyway. And Rewok, you seriously need to start posting anything too and starting to reply to stuff people say to you if you want to avoid later lynching. You're absolutely doing shit atm, but you're saved by the fact that theres enough cases on others. TLDR Im quite pro-lyncing Gravan and BM. And I would like to see some more discussion regarding S&B. If I am to vote anything else than that it will most likely be because of new info while Im gone. Wee, Im learning to use red colours too to add to my arguments too! They totally look stronger than without them! | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On September 13 2012 14:44 Bill Murray wrote: what a great game so far we are still in great shape I don't see how to consecutive mis-lynches and 5 dead townies is great shape to be honest. Unless you are scum and then It would make perfect sense. | ||
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DarthPunk
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On September 13 2012 16:55 DarthPunk wrote: @ Kreb. How do you feel about Shady and Allison? Gonna be pretty short: Shady - His discussion with Hapa way back seemed genuine (Hapa seemed to agree with Shady looking townish because of it). Since then, nothing I would consider scummy. His Forumite-vote didnt look all too convincing, but theres bound to be a bunch of townies joining that wagon too. Allison - Before looking through the filter, just nothing really, null read. After a very quick look through the filter: I do kinda like how hes actively trying to discuss he way through what happened during night. Though maybe thats because I do too and Im just applying my own town-motives on him. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On September 13 2012 16:19 DarthPunk wrote: Which makes me less inclined to vote shady at all. How are you confirmed town again? Oh wait you aren't despite your load assertions that you are. I am more willing to lynch you instead. Why, because I'm not scum with you and Sloosh? | ||
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Bill Murray
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