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On September 13 2012 05:19 Z-BosoN wrote:Guys, I will have to go soon, and won't be able to post through the night. However, I don't want to die tonight, because I'm starting to get some decent scum reads, so I'm actually gonna claim here. I am a Mad Hatter And I absolutely know Toad is scum. His goodbye post, claiming that he is townie in supposedly a "Good-bye" post. His disappearance in day 3. His switch from grush + gravan to me and BM out of nowhere. His reluctance to post in D3. His flimsiness on forumite. His bullshit straight above. I'm not gonna bother making a whole case on this, because there is one thing that makes me go from 80% scum to 100%. I'm not gonna go into details, but if you want you can find it out for yourselves. I did a SHITTON of reading on N1 and N2, reading as carefully as I possibly could, turning on my hidden message finder mode. It is insanely subtle, but fuck yea, I saw it. Anyways, hats off to you wrote it, but what I don't understand is why you didn't go after him, knowing what you knew. When both me and hapa were on his tail after that post, you could have very well given us support... So yea, trust me when I say this, toad is absolutely 100% scum. Anyways, I've always thought him scum ever since that N1 post, and my bomb has always been, and will be tonight as well, on him. Thus, I am at no fear of death, because mafia wouldn't make this 1:1 trade, not in a million years. Of course Toad is going to throw is bullshit at us once again, saying how I'm making this up, how that's impossible because he's townie, etc... but trust me when you say this - he's in fact bullshitting us, he's scum. If you want to confirm it for yourselves, just read the posts in N1/N2 super-carefully, and you'll see what I mean, especially in them nested quotes. To the rest of you little lurking scum shitheads, I'll find you.
An aggressive play.
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I guess that's a fakeclaim to get you killed and test wether or not mafia wants me dead or not? Because from what you post it sounds like you found something that you consider to be a scumslip. If that's the case why don't you just post it? That shouldn't take too long.
However, I'm not mafia and therefore you won't find something like that but you're probably getting yourself killed. Have fun being dead and all, unless of course you are mafia YOURSELF, won't shoot yourself tonight (obviously I'd say) and want to play the "see that confirms Toad as mafia. If he was town mafia would have shot me to get 2 kills out of 1KP!" game tomorrow.
So I propose this: Trackers go and track Z-Boson. If he's a Mad Hatter as he says he is and he genuinely believes me to be mafia he already has the bomb placed on me (as he just claimed) and therefore doesn't need to visit someone as he doesn't need to change the bomb and can just leave it on me. If that guy visits someone we've got ourselves a mafia :p
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oh and if we've got a watcher, watch Z-boson as well. If that guy really is a townie he's going to get shot.
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Nope, if I get killed so will you. I'm certain you are mafia. I found something quite conclusive. If it's a scumslip, why am I addressing the person who wrote it? He knows who he is, and by now he realized as well that you are mafia. Don't waste tracks on me as my claim is legit, and Toad will die. But should a tracker not feel comfortable with this, go right ahead, the bomb is already on you, SCUM! Again, I won't get shot, because you are scum.
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so it really is a fakeclaim
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Anyways, I have to go. Interested to see what's gonna happen. Be back later tonight. Cheers PS: my claim is legit, don't listen to this monster.
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Guess I'll be going through N1/N2.
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Screw the watcher we need a Vig here.
Just Shoot Z-Boson tonight.
If he's really stupid enough to be a Mad Hatter and claim like that I'm dead anyways because Mafia will shoot him to get 2 kills out of 1 KP. If he's not he's fakeclaiming that on purpose because he's mafia and wants to play a wifom game because obviously he's not going to get shot, which will result in me not being blown up.
Either way it's a perfect scenario for mafia thanks to Z-Boson. Worst case: He really is a stupid townie he's dead by now and wether or not he gets single-stacked or doublestacked really isn't that much of a difference. All we lose is a single bullet while the townie was dead anyways Best case: You kill a mafia
You really can't go wrong on this one if you're a vig. So please no protection on him and if we still got a vig just shoot him.
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Anyone know the chance that there's a second suicide bomber? Because if there could be one, I really don't think every blue role should jump on ZB right now... Just sayin'.
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Well that was an unlikely turn of events lol. Mad Hatter and "100% read" on Toad? Hmm....
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doubt there's a 2nd suicide bomber. I've never seen a game of mafia with mafia having a role (besides Goon of course) twice. Not even the casual ones and Suicide bomber is a really rare one.
But if you're scared a vig on Z-Boson will do just fine, as mentioned no Watchers needed. Trackers are only needed if we don't have a vig, which we don't know
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@Z-Boson I don't know if you've completely buggered off till after the day post but it would really help your claim if you actually told us why you are 100% sure toad is scum.
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Actually, with all actions happening simultaneously, he should be able to move the bomb should he get killed by the mafia (if hes town). So mafia should still be wary shooting him for that reason, the bomb might end up anywhere.
I'd still prefer not tracking him though, if hes mafia theres no way he'll do the night kills, and even if the claim is true that doesnt mean anything because he wont necessarily move the bomb. Watchers might wanna watch him though.
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On September 13 2012 05:19 Z-BosoN wrote:Guys, I will have to go soon, and won't be able to post through the night. However, I don't want to die tonight, because I'm starting to get some decent scum reads, so I'm actually gonna claim here. I am a Mad Hatter And I absolutely know Toad is scum. His goodbye post, claiming that he is townie in supposedly a "Good-bye" post. His disappearance in day 3. His switch from grush + gravan to me and BM out of nowhere. His reluctance to post in D3. His flimsiness on forumite. His bullshit straight above. I'm not gonna bother making a whole case on this, because there is one thing that makes me go from 80% scum to 100%. I'm not gonna go into details, but if you want you can find it out for yourselves. I did a SHITTON of reading on N1 and N2, reading as carefully as I possibly could, turning on my hidden message finder mode. It is insanely subtle, but fuck yea, I saw it. Anyways, hats off to you wrote it, but what I don't understand is why you didn't go after him, knowing what you knew. When both me and hapa were on his tail after that post, you could have very well given us support... So yea, trust me when I say this, toad is absolutely 100% scum. Anyways, I've always thought him scum ever since that N1 post, and my bomb has always been, and will be tonight as well, on him. Thus, I am at no fear of death, because mafia wouldn't make this 1:1 trade, not in a million years. Of course Toad is going to throw is bullshit at us once again, saying how I'm making this up, how that's impossible because he's townie, etc... but trust me when you say this - he's in fact bullshitting us, he's scum. If you want to confirm it for yourselves, just read the posts in N1/N2 super-carefully, and you'll see what I mean, especially in them nested quotes. To the rest of you little lurking scum shitheads, I'll find you. If you wanted him to die whyd u post that during night....
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On September 13 2012 06:05 Kreb wrote: Actually, with all actions happening simultaneously, he should be able to move the bomb should he get killed by the mafia (if hes town). So mafia should still be wary shooting him for that reason, the bomb might end up anywhere.
I'd still prefer not tracking him though, if hes mafia theres no way he'll do the night kills, and even if the claim is true that doesnt mean anything because he wont necessarily move the bomb. Watchers might wanna watch him though. If people think that way it's a pretty decent reason for mafia to choose him as the guy dealing the KP. That's why I want trackers on him, to deny him that chance.
It's really only about whether he's smart or "not-so-smart" right now. What I've said was said for a reason but I stand behind what I said: If we got a vig shoot that guy no matter what you think about him. If he's town he's dead anyways and I'm as well if he really told the truth.
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All right, I in fact didn't have to go and wanted to try to get some actual information, because it's pissing me off how much this game is lame and lacks any real info, and I think I'd die tonight anyways. Even my case on BM had one thing wrong (he did in fact claim austin was vig during N1, and not after it, like I said. Got confused on the time stamps.). Funnily enough, no one noticed this, because no one actually gave a shit, because this town IS TOO FUCKING SHEEPY. Anyways. There are a few cases here depending on the outcome of the kill. Here we go:
First off, I lied completely about seeing the crumb. Sorry if any of you actually tried finding something lololol I did in fact read very carefully, but didn't find shit.
I assume there is a medic, and I am also heavily dependent on medic's/jk's ability to make decisions. I also presume that Toad is town.
All kills go through
1) Toad is town and got saved by medic Then medic will know I am full of shit and will have sent his save on me, because he knows they tried to kill Toad, knows he's innocent, and will not risk mafia getting two active townies dead. However, since all kills went through, either mafia suspected this to be a trap and this failed miserably, or medic decided to take the night off and I actually died.
2) Toad is mafia Then medic didn't save him, and will not protect me. However, I will not die because they will not risk losing a scum. Since all kills went through, medic failed on the save.
One kill is missing
1) Toad is town and got saved by medic Same thing. However, mafia fell for my lame little trap and decided to shoot me, with medic saving me. If this happens, we are in starlight. Both me and toad will become confirmed townies, medic will know so, and mafia will lose 1 kp.
2) Toad is mafia Medic luckily saved someone else. I live.
Important Conclusions
If I die, then Toad is not Mafia, unless mafia took my bluff or thought I could get Toad lynched anyways, which I don't find likely. So, go with him being 97% town/assassin.
If I don't die and one kill goes through, medic saved me and neither nor toad are mafia. If I don't die and both kills go through, we learn shit, because either mafia suspected a trap or toad is in fact scum.
Also, I am in fact Mad Hatter, but my bomb is with someone else, surprise surprise! 
I write this post before I send in the claiming one, just to see if the plan has any bearing. I'm going to try to send the claiming one at a time to both get the medic to do the right thing, and for mafia to not have enough time to discuss this. I'm thinking around 1h-2h before the deadline. This is a rather weak trap, but I guess it's better than nothing. At least hopefully the trackers/watchers don't waste themselves on me. In case we don't actually learn anything, I will still be alive and have more time to think, so yea. And if I do die, at least you guys can sleep better at night that Toad is not Mafia.
Since I'm not actually gone, down here is where I'll be responding everything that came AFTER my post, as well as my thoughts.
I'm counting heavily on medic saving me. I don't know if you thought of this when you said:
On September 13 2012 05:50 Toadesstern wrote: Screw the watcher we need a Vig here.
Just Shoot Z-Boson tonight.
If he's really stupid enough to be a Mad Hatter and claim like that I'm dead anyways because Mafia will shoot him to get 2 kills out of 1 KP. If he's not he's fakeclaiming that on purpose because he's mafia and wants to play a wifom game because obviously he's not going to get shot, which will result in me not being blown up.
Either way it's a perfect scenario for mafia thanks to Z-Boson. Worst case: He really is a stupid townie he's dead by now and wether or not he gets single-stacked or doublestacked really isn't that much of a difference. All we lose is a single bullet while the townie was dead anyways Best case: You kill a mafia
You really can't go wrong on this one if you're a vig. So please no protection on him and if we still got a vig just shoot him.
Because if a medic really did indeed save you, then he will fucking absolutely know that he has to save me. Unless he thinks that I am mafia, which screws everything apart. I certainly hope he won't risk me actually being a mad hatter.
Also, this response is perfect, if the medic knows his shit, I think. Because he will know he has to save me (omg I hope he doesn't think it makes sense for me to do this as mafia, sticking my neck out like a boss...), and because you are basically telling mafia that I won't be saved and urging them to shoot me, in a way. Nice job if this was intentional lol.
This served at least to get some info. fuba now is almost definitely not scum due to his post. I have reason to think that Gravan and DP are not scum, less sure on DP. This brings the list of scum to grush, mementoss, BM, maverick, Shiaopi, imallinson SS Rewok, S&B, Kreb, Hopeless, out of which (i assume) three of them are most likely scum. Right now I'm going with imallinson and Shiaopi, as my top scumreads.
Omg I love toad for not considering a medic save. I think his reaction to my post was townie enough, and quite fast.
Also, Mafia would most likely not want to answer my post right away. I'm sure they didn't expect this and are probably trying to discuss with themselves what they should do. This makes shiaopi and imallinson ever more suspicious, granted imallinson showed he was in thread, when I questioned him about Gravan:
On September 13 2012 03:04 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 02:43 Z-BosoN wrote: @imallinson What do you make of Gravan? I was really suspicious of him night 1, he was one of my top scum reads due then. I kind of forgot about him after that because he started actually contributing a bit and the BKE case was much stronger. The way he dealt with the day 3 voting has made me suspicious of him again. Before the start of day 3 he says how much he dislikes the meta arguments + Show Spoiler +On September 10 2012 03:52 Gravan wrote: There is a lot of "in this game x player played like this" or, "y is a veteran, therefore the following is probable...". While I think these are fine as supporting arguments (since past tendencies/experience are relevant things to consider) I feel like all this talk of veterans and meta play is clouding and overtaking what people have actually said and how people have actually been playing. . The first thing we get day 3 is this + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2012 04:54 Gravan wrote: At this point, my viewpoint is as follows (on the big topics):
Bill Murray is still suspicious, but, really, who the fuck knows? Z-Boson is highly suspicious.
Forumite is highly suspicious, and very shifty. For somebody who is posting somewhat regularily, he hasn't done too much to defend himself other than point as many fingers as he can as quickly as he can - something that seems really scummy.
I wish we had another day to talk about this, heh.
##Vote Forumite. On September 12 2012 04:56 Gravan wrote: To be a bit more clear:
Bill Murray's posting is very difficult to read, and he claims to have had more knowledge than he really ought to have had. That said, he has apparently been playing mafia for a while so he could also have just made a good read.
Z-Boson is far too defensive for my liking - it seems like he thinks that every post that isn't in agreement with him, or that pulls the discussion away from his posts, is targeted at him. which seems to be the opposite of what he said in the previous post. If you look at what BM, Z-Boson and Forumite actually posted this game BM is by far the most scummy looking. It's only if you look at the meta argument that this changes. Yet Gravan votes for Forumite anyway. I look at that and see someone who tried to look like they were contributing in the first post then trying to hide and sheep the popular vote in the second which seems awfully scummy.
Of course he will claim he just left or whatever. Nah.
Man, I sure hope the blues here don't actually think I would make this stick my neck out this much as scum. I want the medic to save me rofl...
Also, since now I think I may actually die (why did you call the vig shot on me?? If I'm telling the truth you are a dead man toad) I also bothered to include some of my thoughts in this post. Read the nested quote, the bolded part. Shiaopi actually answered throwing suspicion, and answering Shiaopi's question. This would go along with the predictions I made here:
On September 12 2012 08:04 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 07:18 grush57 wrote:On September 12 2012 07:13 Z-BosoN wrote:What a bad case, has so many wrong information on it, and much of it I've already gone over. Makes me HIGHLY suspicious of you for coming with it so late. On September 12 2012 06:48 mkfuba07 wrote:My vote is going to go to Z-BosoN. There are just too many aspects of his play that rub me the wrong way. BKE played awfullyFollowing the BKE lynch, ZB's response was to point out how it was the veterans' fault because they wouldn't answer his question regarding whether or not there were likely to be multiple watchers. Nope, wrong. I already explained this, not going over that again. Keep in mind that Toad actually did address his question in this post. missed this. big deal..He also points out how he would have constantly repeated the question if he hadn't been forced to keep defending himself "unnecessarily". He points the finger at the remaining vets, says how townish he would have been had he been under less pressure to defend himself, and then martyrs himself by saying that he shouldn't have put up with the silly cases against him. All of this means absolutely nothing. Odds are, scummies will be the first ones to react negatively to this post. Keep this in mind. His entire massive post seems like a waste of time to me, but it's clear that he's trying to turn it into townie points for himself. I already said, I thought I was onto something at the time. Not going to repeat this, read my response to imallinson's caseFollowing the "vets are all suspicious now" paragraphs, he tells austinmcc to save his case against [him] for day 3, should [they] both live. He then elaborates on what he *would have thought* if austin's case *had come a little bit later.* Not only is he trying to completely stiffle a case being brought against him in order to pursue the illogical suspicions of all of the remaining vets, but, again, this entire section says nothing whatsoever. I expect fuba to react, but I have a town read on him. If this would have happened, then I would have found you scummy. Don't you think I could have found you scummy? But really, you're just thick. I still stand by what I said. Wasting time discussing me at night would prove useless. Since the odds were high that one of the vets would die, we should just have tried to get as much input from them as possible. I gave my thoughts on why I thought this was a good choice, but you choose to ignore them.Then there's his death post. Another post that I felt was unnecessary. So yea, whoever has the weakest vote on me and reacts negatively here has a very high chance of being scum. He says that he thinks Hapa is town because Hapa thought he was town, and then points out how what Hapa said could just be a scumplay trying to gain townie points. I don't even know what we're supposed to have taken from that, but all it did for me was plant the idea of Hapa swindling town points out of our pockets using ZB's sterling reputation. It feels like he's subtly boosting his own towncred while calling Hapa's into question. No. I said that hapa is almost surely townie UNLESS I die and he doesn't, and I explained why.He then says that he didn't like Toad's good-bye post. ... Why are you writing a good-bye post if you don't like that someone else did it? Yes, that's exactly what I said. I don't like good-bye posts. I didn't even say why I thought his good-bye post was scummy, and neither did hapa. We just don't like good-bye posts. What a dumb point.He follows it up by saying that if Forumite flips red, then Toad *might* be confirmed town. He also points out how very good at bussing Toad is. Again, this entire paragraph tells us nothing. As does this one. Actually, no, mine actually says that it didn't look like a bus, so if forumite was scum, toad would not likely have been scum.Finally, we get to the "Lurkers" section, where he points fingers at everyone else in the game. He also repeats the fact that the scum vigi hasn't used his shots yet. First of all, he seems too certain of there being a scum vigi. He mentions it repeatedly. I honestly thought there was guaranteed. Also, the first one to say this as an assumption was imallinsonOn top of town not knowing if one exists, there's nothing we can gain from that reasoning. There's too much wifom involved. This is another case of ZB trying to follow a line of reasoning that doesn't help town (just like his irrational obsession with the number of watchers in the game) and only wastes time. Wastes time in regards to what? Sheeping? I'm constantly trying to figure stuff out. I don't pause and think if I will look suspicious or not if I find something. I've made bad points and I've made good points. On top of that, he calls for someone who hasn't even been a part of the game yet to be the top lynch candidate for D3. What were we supposed to discuss? How Lvdr didn't post and how I had to read 80 pages to get caught up? This part is a little OMGUS-y, but it's a ridiculous claim that can't be supported in any way. It casts dispersions on me when I haven't done anything. He was attempting to find scummy behaviour where there was none, and distract the town with it. Again, I was assuming that mafia had a vig. I also said later that I was wrong for thisI apologize that this is appearing so late. I had to attend class and then ride the bus home. It takes forever <.< ##Vote Z-BosoN I urge you to read everything instead of nitpicking things that could make me suspicious in your narrow little view. Half the stuff I've already explained. Don't bother me with shit cases please. You only show you are biased when making cases and can't read He didn't vote the guy that flipped town so he is scum? Didn't say he was scum, said it made me suspicious. Also, I agree that I am playing extremely bad in a sense that you can easily find things in my filter. I don't pause and think about every little detail I write. In the sense of actually doing shit, I'm doing a much better job than you.
Let me make some things clear here if we want to win this. First off: THOU SHALT NOT SHEEP! Forumite's case was brought by toad and hopeless. Toad's was a meta read. The rest was just stupid dumb sheeping. I hope that at least his death can make you realize why sheeping is bad. What did we learn with this lynch? absolutely nothing. Why? Because Forumite's case was extremely weak. You guys overlooked real standing cases on mav, Bill Murray, and some pre-existing ones on gravan and ShiaoPi, which actually had real arguments, and not the "He looks suspicious and doesn't make reads" garbage I've ranted so much about. As much as you felt Forumite was scum, it couldn't have been more than a "feeling" he was scum, just how forumite, despite all I've said, had a dumb "feeling" I was scum and would not let it go, despite there being much better lynches. Now we are still stuck with the BM case, with an increasingly suspicious Toad, and with tons of lurkers just reading and having fun in the scum QT. Scum are having the time of their lives with this, they don't even have to bother with making cases. And are just laying back and chillin. So I will propose the following. Some of you haters will not like this, but think about it one bit and see it makes sense. THOU SHALT NOT LYNCH ACTIVE PLAYERS! Of course, this being namely me. We're starting to get into a bad position where we cannot afford to make baseless lynches. I'm posting a lot, and I don't think whether a post will make me look suspicious or not, but either way I'm actually trying to scumhunt. If I indeed am scum, then keeping me alive is actually great, because I will make interactions with a bunch of people, with my scumbuddies, and blues will eventually find out later on. And once that happens my filter will become a pool of gold. I am not scum, however, and I would like to focus on actually making decent reads and going after decent targets with real evidence on them, not just the superficial crap I'm getting handed to me and the weak of a case that foru had. Keep in mind that scum want me dead, and will support making cases on me, so don't get easily swayed in this regard. I've given good reason to stop with these "cases" against me, considering both me being scum and me being townie. Why am I doing this? As townie, it's because I want to scumhunt without having to keep defending myself. If I am scum, I'm playing very stupidly, as it is much much easier to sit and lurk, and I will also be giving extra evidence through my filter, the more I post. Mafia gains nothing in stalling my death. And once again, as this bears repeating: THOU SHALT NOT SHEEP! Keywords: LOGIC. REASON. ARGUMENTS. MAKES SENSE. Taboo: SEEMS. SCUMMY. SUSPICIOUS. WAY HE'S BEEN ACTING. Now please let us get our heads straight.
Of course this doesn't mean much, but, again, better than nothing. Also, I felt Toad's response was incredibly townie. If he's scum, then he's sure fooled me... consider him town.
Anyways, it's close to the deadline, whatever happens, at least this shitty boring game is more fun now 
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Toad plant your bomb on me we will have a huge chain reaction!
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@ZB Why out of all the people do you think I'm scum? I actually answered your post as soon as I saw it. Mainly I was just confused by it but I still answered. It would be nice to actually have a reason seeing as you are the third person to say they are suspicious of me without one.
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Nvm, I just thought Toad claimed mad hatter.
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Day 4 mkfuba07 the Vanilla townie was murdered by pigeons
Z-boson the Vanilla townie was also killed but by seagulls
You have 48 hours to decide the lynch
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