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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On September 14 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: Yeah I'd be willing to lynch anyone out of Gravan, Mementoss and Mav today (so far). But I'm willing to sheep someone else today, for the good of town! If your town we need you so stop trolling and put something legit together. If not just go in a corner and die. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
 See you happened to be my #1 out of these 3 2 hours ago. Now you're down to #3. That's a start, isn't it? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Out of the cases so far, the one on him (redone recently by mementoss) has by far the most meat to it. I don't have a town read on gravan like I do on grush and billmurray, so I'd be willing to consolidate on him, but the case on him just feels too "wtf where is he" without enough "also this is why he's scum." I think compared to those two, mementoss isn't a great lynch for today since he seems to have started giving a fuck. However, that could just be him being scum and realizing that he has to start giving a fuck or die. But I think mav is the best lynch out of those today. ##vote: maverickx | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Also also, I'd just like to point out how once again you're not including yourself when you do vet-balance stuff. This is like the fourth game I've been in with you where you've done that. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote: I'm voting for maverickx. Out of the cases so far, the one on him (redone recently by mementoss) has by far the most meat to it. I don't have a town read on gravan like I do on grush and billmurray, so I'd be willing to consolidate on him, but the case on him just feels too "wtf where is he" without enough "also this is why he's scum." I think compared to those two, mementoss isn't a great lynch for today since he seems to have started giving a fuck. However, that could just be him being scum and realizing that he has to start giving a fuck or die. But I think mav is the best lynch out of those today. ##vote: maverickx I'm sheeping this, specifically with respect to Maverick's posting around his vote between Forumite and Z-boson. There was this: On September 11 2012 08:44 Maverick32x wrote: Ok, I just want to start off by saying I suspect Forumite is mafia and I will be voting for him. That being said- the amount of bandwagoning that just occurred for him to be our prime suspect is disturbing. If Forumite is NOT mafia, we NEED to focus on the people who are not contributing to a case- and start putting some pressure on them because they are just allowing us to kill each other and are just going to sit back the entire time. Sl00sh's weak "that doesn't show he cares" case is such a knee-jerk reaction to a single post. Hopeless1der: Bandwagons- despite forumite asserting that he suppported someone that hopeless was suspecting (Z-boson). Rewok- gimme a break. Imallinson- your weak vote is pretty damning. etc. etc.. Not sure if lazy town or scum. Refer to my post for Forumite reasoning. On September 11 2012 08:45 Maverick32x wrote: Actually, no, I'm not going to vote for forumite. I'm voting for Z-Boson. ya-ya-ya- waffle/flip flopper whatever.. thats my vote. A list of crap, an insistence we need to pressure the lurkers and then...oh wait I'll just vote this other guy. Sorry I'm more inactive than usual today =\. I probably wont post much, if at all, before the deadline (i realize its tomorrow...) ##Vote: Maverick32x | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm sheeping this, specifically with respect to Maverick's posting around his vote between Forumite and Z-boson. There was this: A list of crap, an insistence we need to pressure the lurkers and then...oh wait I'll just vote this other guy. Sorry I'm more inactive than usual today =\. I probably wont post much, if at all, before the deadline (i realize its tomorrow...) ##Vote: Maverick32x Can you not sweep the Gravan case under the rug? Why Mav over Gravan? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:25 strongandbig wrote: Also toad, have you considered Sloosh as one of the assassins when you do your scummy-vet-balance stuff? It would explain why he only started playing for real when he got called out on not playing to his town meta. Also also, I'd just like to point out how once again you're not including yourself when you do vet-balance stuff. This is like the fourth game I've been in with you where you've done that. nah sloOsh is not a vet. And I'm including myself. I'm town :3 You're saying This is like the fourth game I've been in with you where you've done that. but I don't see the problem. Unless of course you just wanted to point out that you don't like that in general and want me to change that attitude in future games no matter of alignment. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
but wrt sloosh - you said that BM and I are the assassins, but I'm not a vet either | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote: I don't have a town read on gravan like I do on grush and billmurray, so I'd be willing to consolidate on him, but the case on him just feels too "wtf where is he" without enough "also this is why he's scum." How does any part of my case call him out for lurking? On September 13 2012 12:39 slOosh wrote: Gravan Seriously, this is the laziest post ever. In an explosive contrast between Toad and Z-boson, all he drops is a meaningless post. This is scum who is getting lazy because town has been lynching each other (everyone on Ottoxlol, BKEXE, lynch between Z-Boson & Forumite). With someone who might be scum that you are uncertain of, wouldn't you want to pursue a better read of them? Why would you lurk more when that is clearly what town is suffering from? Furthermore, everyone should check out imallinson's case here (as well as his newer case). Not only is it clear that there is a contradiction that he says Toad needs to be looked at (calling him scum in all but name) but he backtracks and doesn't call him scum, but the fact is that this Toad he found worth inspection is totally lacking from his filter at all. I believe we have let him get by because of highly polarized lynches. Well not this time. ##Vote: Gravan | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
So I don't really want to talk about it as it's incredible pointless right now. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On September 14 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote: You're more into a vet than sloOsh is for me. But that really doesn't matter anymore. I already said the moment foru flipped green that assumption of mine got either completely smashed or too complicated to figure out because we don't know if we have assassins to begin with. So I don't really want to talk about it as it's incredible pointless right now. Yes it is, now help us hunt scum. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:51 strongandbig wrote: Yeah I think people shouldn't do things that hurt their team when they're town just because they help their team when they're scum. but wrt sloosh - you said that BM and I are the assassins, but I'm not a vet either It's not hurting town. My town play doesn't include doing things I can't get rid of as mafia, it's actually the other way around: Being honest with what I say and including mistakes I'd make as town as well is what I'm doing as mafia. The thing is it's not hurting town because it's all based on the assumption that I'm town to begin with. If you don't think I'm town you obviously don't give a shit on my assertion about my assumptions either way. No need to post a "oh well and if I'm not town everything I said is obviously inevitably flawed". I trust people to be smart enough to figure that out themselves. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Why is sloosh and toad still alive day 4? Why was MKFuba killed? | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
##Vote: Maverick32x Also you guys don't get how BM plays. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:27 grush57 wrote: Nice find there sloosh. ##Vote: Maverick32x Also you guys don't get how BM plays. Why you voting Mav, its already been acknowledged that the problem of this game are posts exactly like this one. What do you think about slooshs find; Does it means SnB is scum or what If you could explain how BM plays that would be nice. | ||
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Gravan
59 Posts
On September 05 2012 00:41 Maverick32x wrote: Well, I must of skimmed past the FoS on me from Bill Murray, so I'll weigh in a bit. The reason I was hesitant to jump on Matt was because 'bad play' doesn't equal Scum play. And our goal is to hunt Scum, not hunt bad players. That being said, lying goes a bit beyond 'bad' and starts to seem more scummy. @Broodking- I re-read your post like 10 times and I have no idea what point you're trying to make... On September 04 2012 13:17 Maverick32x wrote: Hey guys- got a chance to catch up and I have a couple thoughts. First- Not totally comfortable voting Mattchew at this point.. I understand the potential for lying about the role claim.. and I'm not a big fan of role claiming in general... HOWEVER- I'd like to reiterate BlackMamba's post that said something to the tune of "ITT- Townies arguing with Townies" because I find that people are so quick to blame each other for stupid stuff that we end up wasting the first couple days with literally zero reason for voting someone besides "They drew a picture".... That being said- I'd like to draw a little bit of attention to the first voter for whom I feel like I can make an actual observation on- Toadesstern. The reason I want to focus on that is just because of the speed at which he strikes out just makes me wonder why that's beneficial from a town perspective? And I'm just wondering if he just wanted to try to promote chaos right away?? Also- consistently attacking other posters seems to be a trend.... Brief Interjection: On September 13 2012 23:21 DarthPunk wrote: Gravan - His filter is short and doesn't contain much . He seems to comment on the by play and never actually scum hunts. His Strongest scum reads were - Forumite and Z - Boson Who have both flipped green. His play is scummy and he is lurking but the same could be said for many players in this game. He jumped on the Forumite lynch late. The rational behind his vote seemed to be simple repetition of the case made by others. This seems to be a theme with him. With one exception. His assertion that matt was actually an Assassin seems to be his greatest personal input into the game. He was called on it immediately of course, and thus he backs away from any defense of matt at a rate of knots and votes for him anyway. He does actually put effort into a case on BM but it is quickly rebuked by Z -Boson and others and he then get's into a rather protracy.ted defense. Mild OMGUS on Shady and that's about it. Not much to go on. Definitely scummy but nothing concrete. TLDR; Seems to go along with the majority and has put little input into the game aside from Two major exceptions Defending mattchew then backing down and voting for him. A weak case on BM He jumps onto the Forumite mislynch late and gives very weak reasoning. Generally scummy and lurking. I did not 'back down and vote for him' - my vote was already unofficially on him (as I stated) before I posted my 'soft defence'. Continuing on: I am an 'active lurker' (along with Hopeless, Rewok, ShioPi, Shady), I have voted along popular lines (again, something else Hopeless, Rewok did). I have also not been a great contributer (also guilty: Rewok, Mementoss). So, fine, you say. There are a few other good lynch targets, but we think you are still the best one, you say. This would be okay, I think, if there were some kind of actual case putting me more forward as a guilty candidate than any of the others. There isn't though. Shady and imallinson have been driving my lynch on the basis of my soft defence and Shady's "why not Gravan?" questioning. While I understand that I haven't been that useful, there really is scant evidence against me. I did post quite a bit about the BKE lynch (something that is being ignored), before kinda dissapearing recently. Other than Bill Murray (who is essentially posting useless garbage at this point, ranging from how 'confirmed town' he is, to 'what a great spot we are in') and Mementoss (lurking still despite having had time to catch up at this point) there hasn't been any kind of drive to post anyone else. I suspect that, were I not in this game, Grush would be the popular lynch tonight. Because the town is generally sheepy, and, I think, the mafia have gained a heavy influence on the vote. This is just a baseless suspicion, but something I think that the town needs to start to actively try to combat before it is too late. I guess what I am trying to get at is, there are many other people who are just as lynchable as I am - I just stand out a little bit more because of one post that can be construed as scummy. I think that the only reason the vote is primarily focused on me at the moment is because the bandwagon began earlier on me than it did on anyone else (started by the mafia, I have no doubt) and it is easy to point at my D1 post about Matt, as well as my general lurkiness. Now, onto Shady: He says this: On September 09 2012 13:32 Shady Sands wrote: Basically, a lurker playing off his meta is a little less pressing a concern than someone who actively goes around and shits up the thread while making themselves unreadable. Why? Scum will never kill them, so they'll end up surviving. As the game draws closer and closer to MYLO/LYLO that player becomes more and more damaging to town. I made that mistake with Chez in Normal Mini III and I'm not making it again here. Then proceeds to leave Grush and BM alone. He also argued heavily for a lynch against hapa On September 09 2012 19:22 Shady Sands wrote: Anyhow, what does everyone think about Hapa? To recap: This + Hapa flipflopping on Ottox, while remaining adamant about BKE based on the same reasoning that led him to flip-flop on Ottox himself. If Palmar has put a vet in the scumteam, Hapa looks like the biggest candidate. He attributes his low posting time to being busy: On September 09 2012 19:26 Shady Sands wrote: On September 09 2012 19:22 Kreb wrote: On September 09 2012 18:40 Shady Sands wrote: Kreb, BM is just trolling. Can you look at the DP/me/Hapa exchange in the past few pages and give us your thoughts? Well, I didnt ask him about the "lulz gay" post (troll post). I asked him about him finding someone suspicious, which doesnt seem like trolling to me. Anyway. Hapa apparently was a pretty big part in the mislynch against BKE, and then afterwards comes out strong with vig call on ShiaoPi. My first feeling is it would be pretty ballsy for a mafia to that (which is obviously a good reason to do it as mafia yea yea I get that). But continuing down the discussion I do think he seems quite (emotianlly?) invested in his scumhunting and his frustration is relevant for someone who is feeling he is being questioned more than he might deserve. Apart from that, a lot of your argument seems to be based on meta. His read on Shiao, your read on him not questioning you for your supposed off-what-you-normally-do-meta. I cant really comment on much of that since I dont have any meta reads at all on any of you. In addition I do like and agree with your reasonign on Grush. Giving him "free pass" is a bad idea to me because of what the situation might turn into should we get closer to mylo/lylo with him still in it. If we're gonna have to do a 75/25 guess on him at some point anyway we might as well do it earlier since it gives us an extra cycle to discuss whatever target we might go on should we give Grush a pass. A lot of this is apparently about meta too, but people seem to agree his play is always trollish/anti-townish so I'll go with that for now. And since we're talking meta anyway, whats the reason for your meta to be so off from your normal? I did see you mentioning a being busy at work in an earlier post, but not sure if thats the whole reason.. Emotional involvement is a null tell. Scum get angry just as much as town (thank you Blazinghand). My read on Hapa basically boils down to two things: 1) Hapa is playing off his meta while ignoring my shift on meta. 2) Hapa is being very selective/arbitrary in his scumhunting, and so far has led us to mislynch someone. Note that neither part of #2 is scummy on its own, but when taken together, are a clear scumtell. As for my own quietness, I honestly was busy. Will still be busy tomorrow and the next few days. On September 13 2012 20:40 Shady Sands wrote: Back in thread. My activity level in this game has been slower because of IRL commitments (my day job involves finding investment projects for rich Chinese families, so they can get US green cards)--playing mafia actually takes a lot of careful reading... writing blogs is (comparatively) something I can do in my spare time. Yet has been previously active and still updates his blog. He started this bandwagon on me based on nothing, except forumite's green flip (something mafia would have known about beforehand). On September 12 2012 06:30 Shady Sands wrote: FYI--I still think Forumite is scum. However, as he posts more and more like this above, my read on him gets townier and townier. I don't share the opinion that Z-Boson or BM are scum yet, but I do believe they are worth watching. My main scumreads right now are Gravan and MMToss. Why? Because both came in at the eleventh hour and wagoned on Forumite late... plus their reads on Z-B or BM were woefully lacking for entering at such a late point in the debate. IF they want to wagon forumite at this hour, town Gravan and town MMToss would at least put some thought into why they chose him over ZB and BM. But they didn't. That's the biggest scumtell of today--lurkers who try to look active but don't actually "show their work" with regards to their reads. It's a bit late for a wagon so I will say this: town, please look into vigi-shooting one of these two tonight if Forumite flips green. Calls out for a vig hit with no further evidence: On September 12 2012 07:03 Shady Sands wrote: Vig please hit Gravan or MMToss. Going to flip a coin right now between them... and ## Vote Gravan Will check in once night is over. Then trys to keep the votes on me with deflective posts like: On September 13 2012 22:20 Shady Sands wrote: On September 13 2012 21:26 Bill Murray wrote: Also, Mementoss is where my vote is going to go. DYH was my first suspect, and Mementoss, since coming into the game, has a WHOPPING 3 POSTS. One says "hi", the 2nd is griefing/disruptive, and the 3rd is an excuse. Why not gravan? On September 13 2012 23:18 Shady Sands wrote: On September 13 2012 22:58 DarthPunk wrote: On September 13 2012 22:36 Shady Sands wrote: Why not Gravan is my question. I have a scumread on MMToss too, but he can wait until tomorrow. Why not Gravan is my question today. Why not MMToss? I am going to read both of their (short) filters again and see what I come up with. Toad. It seems as if you have a town read on BM now? The interplay between you both is going way over my head. Gravan's actively lurking; MMToss is completely lurking. Active lurking > completely lurking as a scumread in my book; also active lurking has more potential to disrupt town scumhunt than completely lurking. Also note that he also fits his own description of "active lurker". As a final aside, imallinson is critical of Mav's scumreads being based on lurkers, and is now voting on me on that very basis. [B]On September 12 2012 21:12 imallinson wrote: Does anyone else find this post really off. His 'top 3 scum reads' is just a list of lurkers there isn't anything substantive to go on. By now there should be more to build a case on than 'disappearing around the vote'. As OMGUS-y as it is, I have a mafia read on Shady. He posted nothing (and didn't even vote) D1, has been a bandwagon starter since, and has done relatively little to contribute other than to keep votes sticking onto the popular voting target. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:25 Mementoss wrote: I have two questions about the night: Why is sloosh and toad still alive day 4? Why was MKFuba killed? Are you reading the game? Or did you just forget that we had someone claim having a bomb on me? They shot Z-Boson, the guy who claimed Mad hatter who placed a bomb on me to get a free kill (hinthint: I was supposed to be the free kill). Why should they shoot the guy who is supposed to be a free kill on top of having the bomb do the job? Unless of course they didn't believe the claim, which can't be because if that's the case they could have just shot me without having to shoot Z-Boson. Furthermore the kills seemed to be rashly rearranged to fit the changed situation with Z-Boson claiming. I really don't get what you're asking here. Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:32 Mementoss wrote: Why you voting Mav, its already been acknowledged that the problem of this game are posts exactly like this one. What do you think about slooshs find; Does it means SnB is scum or what If you could explain how BM plays that would be nice. The sloosh post I'm talking about is about Maverick. BM does one liners regardless and makes jokes in half his posts, just how he plays you guys aren't going to get anywhere calling that scummy  | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote: Are you reading the game? Or did you just forget that we had someone claim having a bomb on me? They shot Z-Boson, the guy who claimed Mad hatter who placed a bomb on me to get a free kill (hinthint: I was supposed to be the free kill). Why should they shoot the guy who is supposed to be a free kill on top of having the bomb do the job? Unless of course they didn't believe the claim, which can't be because if that's the case they could have just shot me without having to shoot Z-Boson. Furthermore the kills seemed to be rashly rearranged to fit the changed situation with Z-Boson claiming. I really don't get what you're asking here. Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else. Yeah but if you were mafia you would have shot Zboson to make yourself look more townie. You said this DIRECTLY after the mad hatter claim: On September 13 2012 05:30 Toadesstern wrote: I guess that's a fakeclaim to get you killed and test wether or not mafia wants me dead or not? Because from what you post it sounds like you found something that you consider to be a scumslip. If that's the case why don't you just post it? That shouldn't take too long. However, I'm not mafia and therefore you won't find something like that but you're probably getting yourself killed. Have fun being dead and all, unless of course you are mafia YOURSELF, won't shoot yourself tonight (obviously I'd say) and want to play the "see that confirms Toad as mafia. If he was town mafia would have shot me to get 2 kills out of 1KP!" game tomorrow. So I propose this: Trackers go and track Z-Boson. If he's a Mad Hatter as he says he is and he genuinely believes me to be mafia he already has the bomb placed on me (as he just claimed) and therefore doesn't need to visit someone as he doesn't need to change the bomb and can just leave it on me. If that guy visits someone we've got ourselves a mafia :p So you being alive after Mad Hatter claim and boson is dead means nothing to me and should mean nothing to anyone. 1) If your town, mafia shoots ZBoson and hopes to kill you as well 2) If your mafia, you already were confident it was a fakeclaim and killed Zboson to somewhat confirm yourself. The fact that you act as it somewhat confirms you as town anymore than anything else is concerning. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
First off, he says I'm actively lurking. I'm not. Actively lurking would be posting heavily and having a 10 or 15 page filter without substance. I'm simply lurking. I even say it myself that my activity level is low. Second, he says I started a bandwagon on him based on Forumite's green flip. That's an oversimplification. I started the wagon on Gravan because he piled onto Forumite when the case on Forumite was all but assured, using other people's analysis as his own reasoning, in an attempt to look contributory. The fact that Forumite flipped green is just icing on the cake. Grav's trying to twist the truth here; don't fall for it. Third, the vig hit was called out because of my case on Gravan before the Day post came around. Gravan even quotes it in his post. It's a bit late for a wagon so I will say this: town, please look into vigi-shooting one of these two tonight if Forumite flips green. Vig please hit Gravan or MMToss. Again, don't fall for Grav's lies. I already called for a vig hit there with evidence, so why should I clutter up the thread and repeat what I wrote? Fourth, of course I'm going to keep the heat on Gravan: he is the scummiest read I have, so shouldn't I be trying to get my top scumread lynched? -- Now, onto his defense: Grav posts a lot about how he shares a ton of characteristics with many other people. This is a non-defense. How does sharing a bunch of scummy characteristics with other people make you less likely to be a scum? Then says that people who are voting for him specifically are voting because: I think that the only reason the vote is primarily focused on me at the moment is because the bandwagon began earlier on me than it did on anyone else (started by the mafia, I have no doubt) and it is easy to point at my D1 post about Matt, as well as my general lurkiness. Hang on a second: Grav wasn't the first wagon: the wagon on MMToss started at the same time as his did. (Another lie.) Second, the other reasons are all great reasons to vote for Grav specifically: The D1 post about Matt--soft defense of someone that was later a scum caught trying to fakeclaim. The active lurkiness--both of those reasons, if you believe them, should put Grav at the top of your list of scum reads. And to those reasons which he himself admits to, we can also add the reason of lying. Lynch Grav, the actively lurking, OMGUS-ing, lying, soft-defending, scum. | ||
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