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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Golbat Post Search - TL Search Last post in this game: Golbat United States. August 19 2012 07:30. Posts 294 Idra threads: Idra Fanclub - Golbat United States. August 22 2012 07:34. Posts 294 Happy Birthday Idra - Golbat United States. August 22 2012 08:11. Posts 294 | ||
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DarthPunk
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On August 22 2012 09:55 DarthPunk wrote: I have reconsidered and am now FIRMLY AGAINST a role claim. I am still reading filters and trying to find something. But I want everyone to look closely at those who have sheeped cases and not actually scum hunted whilst appearing to be pro town. I think that is where we can find scum. Mind explaining why? | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
I was about ready to start my post when I read yours, so I mostly skimmed over it. I've read it though, and thank you for contributing. But my point about analyzing his intentions and such still stands, I still think it's useless. I don't think any of his posts have any intentions or any purpose at all other than just being random. @Obvious Well, he might just be not visiting this thread anymore, I dunno... whatever his reasons, he's insanely inactive and hopefully will just get modkilled... | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
confused and demoralised. However I am back with a clear mind, and I realised this was a stupid idea. I am going to trust my reads and build my cases and catch those scum. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On August 22 2012 10:18 Z-BosoN wrote: @Stutters I was about ready to start my post when I read yours, so I mostly skimmed over it. I've read it though, and thank you for contributing. But my point about analyzing his intentions and such still stands, I still think it's useless. I don't think any of his posts have any intentions or any purpose at all other than just being random. @Obvious Well, he might just be not visiting this thread anymore, I dunno... whatever his reasons, he's insanely inactive and hopefully will just get modkilled... Means everyone who has a case against him, including myself, should start considering alternate people and working on cases immediately in the event that he's removed. If Golbat is modkilled, will it be done after 72 hours inactive or just flipped with the lynch today? | ||
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Z-BosoN
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On August 22 2012 10:21 Obvious.660 wrote: Means everyone who has a case against him, including myself, should start considering alternate people and working on cases immediately in the event that he's removed. If Golbat is modkilled, will it be done after 72 hours inactive or just flipped with the lynch today? At the flip. While I'm here, please don't refer to people's out of thread activity. It's not explicitly in the rules, so I'll just leave it as a from-now-on thing. | ||
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DarthPunk
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
In no particular order: YourHarry Z-Boson Stutters Golbat At this point I don't even think it can hurt me to speculate that there is only 1 hyper-active scum in this game. I speculate Golbat is going down quietly as scum. So far the only person I think I saw mentioned to be defending Golbat was Thrawn, who is now dead? If anyone else remember people defending Golbat and wants to chime in that would be great. So essentially I have a coin-flip between Stutters and Z-Boson from my POV, based on process of elimination of who I get the feeling is town and who is not. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On August 22 2012 11:09 Obvious.660 wrote: Well. I went through the people who I felt most strongly were town to the least town and I came up with this list by process of elimination. As already stated, the lurking is killing this town. We're past 24 hours of today's day portion of the cycle and still haven't heard much from quite a few people. Golbat is on his way to a modkill. YourHarry is presumably making his case since he checked in a little while ago but it has been some time and we have heard nothing yet. In no particular order: YourHarry Z-Boson Stutters Golbat At this point I don't even think it can hurt me to speculate that there is only 1 hyper-active scum in this game. I speculate Golbat is going down quietly as scum. So far the only person I think I saw mentioned to be defending Golbat was Thrawn, who is now dead? If anyone else remember people defending Golbat and wants to chime in that would be great. So essentially I have a coin-flip between Stutters and Z-Boson from my POV, based on process of elimination of who I get the feeling is town and who is not. What is your view on Solar? | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On the phone right now, just got a call, I'll take a second look after I'm done. Is he one of your suspects or are you confused as to why he didn't make my short list? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On August 22 2012 11:37 Obvious.660 wrote: On the phone right now, just got a call, I'll take a second look after I'm done. Is he one of your suspects or are you confused as to why he didn't make my short list? I am about to post a case on him. would like your thoughts. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On August 22 2012 11:45 DarthPunk wrote: I am about to post a case on him. would like your thoughts. Okay, I'll take a look after this call, promise. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
First interesting post in a back-and-forth with Shady Sands: On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote: Starting here. What this looks like to me is an antagonizing relationship between Solar and Shady Sands. Going back to the context of the interaction, Shady Sands makes his first read loud and clear that he feels Solar is scummy, and this is a sort of emotional reaction to being targeted right off the bat in your second mafia game ever. Understandable reaction, I am still guilty of this from time to time, even my entrance to this game was characterized as semi-emotional and confusing. Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything. I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information. The remainder of that previous post, the first paragraph here: On August 15 2012 09:32 Solarsail wrote: basically endorses having an active and talkative town. Basically, condoning town play. If I were to have an issue with this, I would say that he's breaking his own town-rule if he's town. Three-page filter and still alive at this stage of the game makes me look to the rest of his filter for quality posts over the quantity.Reading the many guides linked on the library which are incredbly helpful, the most important thing I saw is that the town needs to stay active and stay on point. If we are to lynch anyone it has to be because of real information and evidence, and that has to be readily available from the thread. If we're trying to learn we need a long record to practise analysing. Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out. This is follow by tons of short posts, which goes against my expectations based on his vision of being a town player (again, being active), which are either mocking or taunting, or the word I guess would be trolling? It's a ton of posts and useless to quote them all here. You can see for yourself that all of them up to his "Good morning" post are intentionally inciting and not very useful to us. Interestingly enough, the end of that post has this small gem which has now planted the seeds of doubt to his alignment: On August 15 2012 20:35 Solarsail wrote: Solar had everything to gain from changing his playstyle. Use Shady Sands as an example in the context of this thread. Anyone who was outspoken and posting quick one-liners has been looked at with great scrutiny. In fact, I would say that he has not presented much by way of original ideas to the thread since his posting style changed. His votes/FOSes have been: Shady Sands, Thrawn, YourHarry, Jhuyt, and myself. All of us have had suspicions against us from other players, and as you can see here, there is definitely a pattern of targeting confirmed (by way of lynch/NK) or near-confirmed (in my case, I don't expect you all to believe Ochrow/Obvious is town but for the purposes of this argument since it's coming from me I will use it as fact). YourHarry is currently the only unconfirmed suspicion in this list.Good morning. + Show Spoiler [snip] + I intend to be civil and not emotional from now on. My posts were very deliberately an attempt to get discussion going and see what people's alignments were, and this was a success in that I want to point out two people. My behaviour was consistently anti-town, so a good town player would be telling me to stop being erratic but not defending me. So, first I want to discuss Shady Sands. Apart from one-line questioning of me, and the unneeded insistence on filters as has been pointed out, he has done little else and none of his arguments have been reasonable or backed up by evidence. His enduring suspicion of me based on the first post doesn't make sense because it was just the second post and neither town nor mafia would have a motivation to start accusing someone at that point. If it was just to start discussion in itself why would he persist in asserting it for the next eight pages as if it was substantial. Secondly, the continued defence of me by Thrawn has no basis. I was clearly being anti-town. Some evidence: "I am still of the opinion that solar's posts are somewhat likely to be emotional overreactions rather than scummy." "Shady, can you explain your reasoning for initially jumping all over solar?" "Most of the discussion right now is about solarsail. I don't think there's anything wrong with this because so far his posts haven't seemed very useful but we have still yet to hear from several players. He could easily be town and just reacting to everyone immediately jumping on his case as soon as the game starts." "Suspicion of a soft accusation is hardly good evidence that he should be lynched especially when there has been so little discussion so far so I am not sold on your case against him." There is little reason to defend me so much unless your motivation is to defend someone he knows to be town player for deflection reasons. -- I am unvoting because my original vote was baseless and I want to hear Shady's response before making a serious attempt at voting him. Unvote The thread consensus has been that I'm town. Thus if I am mafia I have nothing to gain from changing my playstyle now. His last post, here: On August 21 2012 09:30 Solarsail wrote: If Golbat is town and dies by modkill tonight, that's another confirmed townie on his list of suspicions. That's a pretty awful track record in terms of hurting town via mislynches, even for a member of the town, which makes me think that perhaps he is indeed scum and knows players' alignments. Suspicious enough for me to feel confident moving my vote off Golbat and onto him.We're not going to realistically win this game without three good mafia lynches. Being decisive is exactly what is needed, so we need a leader and gk has stepped up. If this devolves into eight lynch candidates we have poor odds of picking the right one even if our accusations of certain behaviours are correct. So it's really just a question of your read on gk. If you think he's town, vote for Golbat. If you think he's not, vote for GK. If GK and DP are mafia then wp because they've been nothing but active and helpful (and terribly wrong yesterday). I haven't done nearly enough independent work, and it's hurt me because I've been taken in by bad logic following others, but ultimately it's a lesson learned. I don't even think Golbat is the greatest lynch candidate ever because lurking is a often a null tell but I'm seeing that it's come down to the choice I said. I'd go with Obvious myself but I don't even trust any reads I have after D1 and D2. ##Vote: Golbat ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Solarsail | ||
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Golbat
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Golbat
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
On August 21 2012 17:59 goodkarma wrote: -First, YourHarry is fond of withholding information from us. YourHarry starts the game by making a weak WIFOM case on me, claiming if I'm not a mason I'm scum. He withholds his read on me for a long time until pressured to provide it, and while here maybe you could argue he had some justification, this is a recurring theme. Over and over again he's done this. With this "mason case," with vote swapping history, with providing reads on certain people (most recently, Golbat). This behavior is clearly anti-town. Obviously withholding information would be advantageous for scum as it could make it harder for others to get a good read on him. Could a townie also do this? Maybe, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. GK says that I am fond of withholding information. To restate GK's case in a more organized manner, it's this: GK admits that Harry may have had "maybe" acceptable reasoning for suspecting GK, but Harry has been withholding information, continuing to change his reads and swapping his votes through-out the game. This behavior is anti-town. And withholding information is advantageous for scums. (This is not a misrepresentation of GK's case. I wanted to organize the contents of his post, so it's easier to analyze) You may disagree with the reasoning for changing my reads, but not with the frequency with which I changed my reads. As I incorporate more information and re-analyze previous posts, I AM GOING to change reads, and therefore my votes. I have been wrong in my reads this game, but being wrong does not mean I am scum. To be fair, GK does say that I am scummy because I base many of my cases on WIFOM. So if you think that my reasoning for my reads generally have been poor, wait a minute as I will address that soon. But GK's particular point above regarding my changing of reads, has no substance. Do scums change their reads and swap their votes more often than town? If you think so, I would argue that such belief is a common mis-perception. Scums want to survive. They want to avoid attention. They don't have to change their reads, if they think such change will buy much suspicion. At best, it is WIFOM. People's reads change. And mine changed frequently (Also see my previous games, which links have been provided for. I am not saying that my changing my reads means I am town, just because I have done so in the past. But it should be taken as a proof that changing reads does not mean that Harry is scum). You can argue that maybe I am trying to match my town meta as scum. But as town, I may inadvertently match my town meta from previous games. So aside from paranoia, this cannot be used to say I am scum for trying to match my previous town meta. GK's second point: withholding information is advantageous for scums. This is wrong. Some information should be revealed, but some should not be. For example, a detective's investigation on a confirmed town or a confirmed scum would be advantageous for town if detective can somehow share such information without claiming. This is because scums already know who towns and scums are, so no additional is gained from scums' perspectives. But townies can use such information to limit and focus on which players to lynch. But should a mason, in the beginning of the day, claim mason and reveal identity of his mason brother? Some information help town more than scums. Let's suppose that I was right about Solar and GK being mason brothers. Would it have been advantageous for town for me to reveal this information? No. The information I thought I had was going to benefit the scums more than the town. And because of that, I decided to not share the information I thought I had despite being repeatedly being accused for not sharing it. My stubbornness was based on my thinking that I was correct in knowing the mason alignment. It should be noted that it was only after it became apparent that Solar and GK were not mason brothers, that I decided to reveal this information, since this information was no longer useful to scums. Related case against me previously brought up: it has been talked about whether scum Harry would have had an easier time identifying mason alignment than town Harry. It is true that scums have more information, and in general I would agree that scum Harry would have had an easier time. However, the style and the choice of words used by GK in his defense of Solar resulted in town Harry to deduce mason alignment. The explanation for this has been described a couple of times, but I can try to explain myself more clearly upon request. And maybe the question should be asked: what is scum Harry's motivation behind instantly dismissing case against Solar in such an awkward and suspicious manner? Even if scum Harry wanted to defend scum Solar, would scum Harry have done it in such a ridiculous fashion? No. However, such action does make sense if town Harry belief that GK and Solar are mason buddies. I think whether I am town or scum, it is reasonable to be aware that such sudden change in suspicion would have looked scummy. Again, if you agree that scums want to avoid suspicion more than townies, then Harry's decision to express his read on Solar because Harry really thought Solar was town would make sense. Weak deduction? Maybe. Reading too much into the wording and the style in which GK defended Solar? Maybe. Scum motivation? No. This is just the tip, GK says. But I feel that I have defended against this tip of the iceberg. If there is any remaining suspicion, please address it. My change in voting pattern was based on my changing reads as I continued my analysis. And even GK admits some of them have acceptable reasoning behind them. And definitely, my decision to withhold the mason alignment information was pro-town. On August 21 2012 17:59 goodkarma wrote: -YourHarry is a fan of last-minute vote swapping. He has now twice last minute switched his vote to secure the mislynch of the top candidate. This behavior simply can't be ignored anymore. There is clear scum motivation here. -The use of WIFOM first, actual use of reasoning when pressured later. He already did that today with Golbat. He started today with soft defending him, and then decides he will actually "read his filter." I'll say that again: only after defending Golbat with WIFOM does he decide it's a good idea to read his filter. Then, finally, he decides to actually present a case which is in fact against Golbat. In other words, he's demonstrated a lack of interest in actually contributing meaningfully to scumhunting. -On top of this, today he has focused a large degree of effort on getting people to role claim. If my theory on scum's motive for the night kills is to be believed, YourHarry is trying to draw important town roles out of hiding as easy scum targets. There's loads of scum motivation to be seen behind YourHarry's actions, and there are several cases that have already been made against him. Yet somehow he seems to have avoided getting lynched. My biggest issue with lynching him, and why he hasn't been higher on my "scum reads," has been that his play is consistently bad, and it would be easy to mislynch a town YourHarry. But if you look at his actions, they fit a scum agenda. Fan of last minute vote swapping. Definitely guilty of that. On day 1: 1) I had my vote on Shady. Was a choice between Thrawn and Shady. 2) I changed my vote to Archrun, who I felt confident about turning scum. 3) It was apparent that Archrun lynch was not going to happen. So I changed my vote to Shady, who I preferred over Thrawn. Swapped my votes, I did. BUT: What is scum motivation here?? Did Shady not flip town? Did Archrun not flip town? Did Thrawn not flip town? If Thrawn flipped scum, I may have to come up with some defense outlining why I thought Thrawn was town over Shady or why I thought Archrun was scum. BTW, I did this already, especially at one point when I was convinced Thrawn was scum. But what scum motivations even exist for scum Harry to choose town Archurn lynch over town Thrawn lynch? Or town Shady lynch over town Thrawn lynch? I would argue that above course of events, if anything, indicates that I am NOT scum. If scum was trying to save his scum partner, such changing vote could be scum motivated? Oh wait, I must have forgotten about the possibility that scum Harry just felt like goofing around for the heck of it. I cannot even begin to understand why my switching my votes can be interpreted as scum motivated. My reads change. I explained my reasons. If you disagree with my reasons, argue why you reasons sucked, but don't say that my change of vote was scum motivated. My WIFOM first, logical reasons later What can I say. When I read posts... when I see night kills... I try to analyze. And GK, you will say again and again and again my analysis is WIFOM. But technically, everything is. Scums tend to lurk. WIFOM, some townies lurk too! And scums can try not to lurk. Scums tend to be wishy washy. WIFOM! Some townies are unsure of their reads so they are wishy washy. Some scums will outline focused case and show commitment. Scums tend to want to avoid suspicion? They tend to have bad logic? All WIFOM!! But these are basically how we are taught to scum hunt. To be fair, I guess the key phrase is "tend to". Scums do tend to lurk overall, Scums do tend to be wishy washy, sheep easy cases and often have bad logic. But for these very same reasons, my analysis is no more WIFOM than the other cases you have presented before. Will scum Thrawn have killed Archurn? Possibly, but scums tend not to target the easy lynch - especially if such lynch will make the scum suspicious. Would scum Golbat decide to NK Jhyut? Maybe, but scums again tend to spare townies who have high chance of getting mislynched. [b]My attempt to role hunt/b] First, I agree with Darth's retraction for asking people to role claim. Blues should claim upon their discretion. I guess it was my mistake in thinking that role claims could help the town more than it could scum. Since we have to get today lynch correct, gathering as much information as possible could help us reduce the pool from which we need to draw the scum from. But I blue roles have more information than vanilla, so it should be up to their discretion. I acknowledge my mistake here. In regards to Stutter's claim that I was trying to role hunt throughout the whole game. Stutter, if you think my line of thinking that Gk and Solar are masons and making that public only after we found out that my theory was wrong... I explain this above. You cannot argue that there is scum motivation. Or if you are thinking about Thrawn's case... do you think it was Harry's scum agenda was to role hunt and suspect the blue breadcrumb in Thrawn and kill him? Yes, it makes perfect sense. I may have wondered about different roles, but there is no scum motivation here. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
Or if you are thinking about Thrawn's case... do you think it was Harry's scum agenda was to role hunt and suspect the blue breadcrumb in Thrawn and not kill him? Yes, it makes perfect sense. I may have wondered about different roles, but there is no scum motivation here. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
We all know the dramatic shift in his behaviour and the quality of his posting on day one. He was acting strangely and was called out day one after which his posting became highly erratic and panicked. The next day there was a SUDDEN AND SIGNIFICANT turn around in his posting behaviour. He says that his day one behaviour was intentional and that was generally accepted by the people in order to pursue cases on the more obvious suspects. (thrawn, shady, harry etc) and since that point has done ZERO SCUMHUNTING and FLOWN UNDER THE RADAR. He has only commented on the most popular candidates and only when they were the flavour of the moment. Day one he votes for shady after he is by far the most popular vote candidate. But his explanation is very weak and he brought nothing of substance to the table. On August 17 2012 01:53 Solarsail wrote: On Shady: I was never completely satisfied by his explanation of jumping on me second post to stimulate discussion, nor persisting with it. The encouragement of baseless voting is another strike there for me. None of his suspicions have had sufficient evidence for ##Vote Shady Sands Can't shake the feeling that Thrawn has set Shady up as his own worst enemy and Shady is just playing very badly to fall in. DarthPunk is my strongest Town read this far and he is saying the opposite. But I have had so many problems with Shady this game, and while Thrawn is not off my radar I can't ignore this. On August 17 2012 01:53 Solarsail wrote: On Shady: I was never completely satisfied by his explanation of jumping on me second post to stimulate discussion, nor persisting with it. The encouragement of baseless voting is another strike there for me. None of his suspicions have had sufficient evidence for ##Vote Shady Sands Can't shake the feeling that Thrawn has set Shady up as his own worst enemy and Shady is just playing very badly to fall in. DarthPunk is my strongest Town read this far and he is saying the opposite. But I have had so many problems with Shady this game, and while Thrawn is not off my radar I can't ignore this. He even expresses doubt over this vote, and the reasoning behind his doubt is far better than the justification behind his vote. He is taking the safe choice. Joining a bandwagon with little to no case. He has not participated in scum hunting at all day one. His filter mainly consists of small comments on the interplay between others, it looks as if he is a participant in the discussion but is not contributing. On August 17 2012 01:58 Solarsail wrote: Sorry I missed DP's new post. That is very strong. I would like to see Thrawn defend that. Now that DP's argument is there in full with evidence, the line "mkfuba07, after reading my post do you agree with my claim that YH is town? If not, why not?" is really, really out of place. On August 17 2012 08:07 Solarsail wrote: Archrun didn't mention the possibility that they are both town and just got trapped fighting each other. Golbat your explanation better follow very, very quickly. Day 2 opens and he immediately sheeps the most popular lynch candidate. (thrawn) that myself and shady have made a case on. On August 18 2012 10:28 Solarsail wrote: The Archrun death completely validates gk's post. I was already wavering on Thrawn yesterday early on and Ochrow's most recent post (before GK even said anything) I'm less convinced on YourHarry since there is no direct link and I had a soft town read from yesterday, but there's two good candidates right there. Lol Thrawn your vigilante claim is ridiculous. Vigilantes do not reveal that they are vigilantes over such a trivial matter as defending themselves, as the role is so powerful that scum have no choice but to kill you immediately. ##Vote: Thrawn ##FoS: Ochrow No scum hunting. No participation or addition to the discussion. He is sheeping myself and GK with a short justification for his vote. On August 20 2012 06:44 Solarsail wrote: My current vote, thrawn. He did a very poor job of defending himself initially with the WIFOM and the claim (which if real is both highly convenient and misplaced), but then he's improved by responding to more accusations. I know 'lack of reading' is a general accusation against him but D1 I thought he was responding quite well, in full and with evidence, to all questions asked. So I would say it's just a D2 behaviour to be missing things a little. I agree with much of gk's posting minus the initial shared QT accusation because that is unlikely to have produced the coincidental posts with the same agenda. The lying to us, lurking, nonaggression and general avoidance of Ochrow/Obvious stands out a lot more (oh and the OMGUS vote) and YH has demonstrated some serious read errors and flip flops if he is indeed town. So my case against Thrawn is mostly by association with YH and Ochrow than directly. I will keep my vote on him because it is a combined one from gk's case and thrawn's individual behaviour. However /unlike/ GK I will not switch around as people's defences go up and down with each post. I will be around at the deadline but I don't plan to switch. The lurkers simply have not posted enough to make any case as strong as vs Thrawn or vs Obvious so I can't justify voting for them instead of those two. This is possibly by design; if so they are lucky that D1 was intense and D2 was focused on a single case to avoid attention. Elaborates on his thrawn vote. Does not scum hunt and justifies his vote by sheeping GK. Note that despite really weak justification he states that: I will be around at the deadline but I don't plan to switch. this is not a pro-town. Despite the large discussion on thrawn/ your harry throughout the day does not comment again.He has not added anything original yet to the thread. On August 20 2012 08:06 Solarsail wrote: gk, I want to make clear: my read on thrawn stands on its own. I am prepared to lynch Ochrow for being my strongest read but only if it goes through, because thrawn/YH/ochrow are so close in verbal support that if we have in fact made a mistake like one of the three isn't mafia then the mafia members we could easily see a switch close to deadline. When questioned by GK he then says his thrawn read 'stands on its own' despite adding nothing to the case and purely sheeping others opinions. More side comments, not scumhunting but seeming to participate. On August 20 2012 08:19 Solarsail wrote: You can move your vote with an even stronger case on someone else. I encourage you to do so because your initial vote against Thrawn wasn't with much evidence. Asking your harry, Who although scummy has provided far more analysis and justification for his positions is kind of a stretch but reinforces that he is trying to participate without actually finding scum His last vote. On August 21 2012 09:30 Solarsail wrote: We're not going to realistically win this game without three good mafia lynches. Being decisive is exactly what is needed, so we need a leader and gk has stepped up. If this devolves into eight lynch candidates we have poor odds of picking the right one even if our accusations of certain behaviours are correct. So it's really just a question of your read on gk. If you think he's town, vote for Golbat. If you think he's not, vote for GK. If GK and DP are mafia then wp because they've been nothing but active and helpful (and terribly wrong yesterday). I haven't done nearly enough independent work, and it's hurt me because I've been taken in by bad logic following others, but ultimately it's a lesson learned. I don't even think Golbat is the greatest lynch candidate ever because lurking is a often a null tell but I'm seeing that it's come down to the choice I said. I'd go with Obvious myself but I don't even trust any reads I have after D1 and D2. ##Vote: Golbat Sheeping GK on the popular choice once again. not actually scum hunting. Playing safe and flying under the radar. SOLAR SAIL IS SCUM AND MUST BE LYNCHED. | ||
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