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Jhuyt
Sweden365 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
@Golbat: You have a lot of explaining to do for your lurking, so please start there. Also, if you would kindly explain this quote: On August 18 2012 15:59 Golbat wrote: Apologies. I didn't mean to come off as defensive, just that I'm not intentionally lurking, just not posting uselessly. in my last game I died before I could make a big contribution, and I just want to help catch a scum before I die this game. Now is the time to step it up I guess. I've already explained what I felt was scummy about this, but in case you need a reminder: You seem more interested in staying alive right now than in actually scumhunting. "Not posting uselessly" is not an excuse for not posting at all. Even one one-line post explaining your absence would have been useful at this point, and you wouldn't even contribute that. You argue to not be lurking intentionally, but I would argue that yes, lurking for 48 hours is rather intentional. There's no way that you haven't thought up anything worthwhile in that time unless if between then and now you have forgotten altogether about this thread. And why would you do that if you want to "make a big contribution" that leads to the lynch of a scum? One more question: Why did you tunnel Thrawn so hard? ##Vote: Golbat | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
So it's really just a question of your read on gk. If you think he's town, vote for Golbat. If you think he's not, vote for GK. If GK and DP are mafia then wp because they've been nothing but active and helpful (and terribly wrong yesterday). I haven't done nearly enough independent work, and it's hurt me because I've been taken in by bad logic following others, but ultimately it's a lesson learned. I don't even think Golbat is the greatest lynch candidate ever because lurking is a often a null tell but I'm seeing that it's come down to the choice I said. I'd go with Obvious myself but I don't even trust any reads I have after D1 and D2. ##Vote: Golbat | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
If you feel Obvious is the better lynch choice, lay clearly out why you feel that is so all of us can see it. As I mentioned in my post, we have some time to all make our cases and viewpoints known in the first 24 hours. The proposed "sheeping" part of things is for the sake of vote consolidation at the end of the vote cycle (the second 24 hours). | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On August 21 2012 09:40 DarthPunk wrote: I was roleblocked again. And I don't understand the jhuyt NK at all. I was expecting either myself or goodkarma to get shot. I am guessing it was to try and confuse us. Ditto. I was expecting one of you guys and if they were going to try and throw us off probably a vote on me. Kinda surprised Jhuyt of all people. That post by GK right before the deadline is good though. It really comes down to if you believe GK is town or not and I currently do. I'm going to re-read the thread and try and get some better ideas. This is our last shot town, lets make it count. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
I think regardless of who we decide to lynch next, we should consider no lynch today. Allowing the mafia to make the first move is good so we have more information. Currently we have 5 town and 3 scums. If we lynch incorrectly, we would be down to 4 towns and 3 scums and the game is likely to be over outside a medic save. Instead, by letting the scums to kill first, we will have more time to discuss and smaller pool (one fewer person) to pick the mafia from. This will increase our chance of correct lynch. Only down side to this strategy is that in 4 town 3 scum scenario, with exception of busing, all 4 town players have to agree to lynch the scum. A good measure to bypass this is for everyone to claim tomorrow, aggregate our reports, and decide on the town leader among confirmed townies. Claiming in the beginning is bad, of course, because power roles do not have much information. I think claiming at this point (or tomorrow) is a good strategy because we can combine information from everyone to possibly secure a scum lynch. We can probably establish confirmed townies as well, to pick the town leader from. Then we examine and try to make sense players' earlier actions based on whatever reports we can aggregate. This could obviously help the scums to decide on the future target, but this matters LESS because near the end of the game, there are only few more days to use their power anyway. And possibly with help of roleblocker or medic to delay the death of our investigator roles. This would be IMMENSELY helpful as our investigators would have very small pool of players to suspect scums from. Also, based on our reports, we pick the town leader from the confirmed townies. This town leader ultimately should have the power to select the lynch candidate. This way we can stop scum's number advantage, and overcome the difficulty of all four townies' ability to gang up against one scum. Otherwise, the townie consensus on one scum would be almost impossible to be reached. I would like to hear other people's thoughts on no lynch today. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
GK/Darth: They never suspected each other once this game. This seems suspicious, especially after Thrawn mislynch. They state they arrived at similar reads on Thrawn, for different reasons, but as townies I would expect them to at least be suspicious of each other after Thrawn flipped town. But scums never attacking each other the whole game is not a common practice, and with my imagination acting up again, I tend to believe the alternate theory that they are both towns. The fact that they changed their reads based on Thrawn flipping town (especially me not being the top scum reads anymore) is consistent with the theory. I would have expected scum GK/Darth to continue to tunnel me, despite Thrawn lynch. Golbat: He is lynching for sure, but Jhyut being targeted should make him less scummy. This is because after GK outlined his case on Jhyut being the top scum read and Golbat being the second person we should lynch, I cannot imagine scum team including Golbat to NK the top scum read to make it dangerous for Golbat to be lynched. Solar: Solar seems scummy for sheeping GK to vote against Golbat. He readily says that he believes GK as town, and this is the reason for voting GK (though he rather vote for Obvious himself). While this makes sense based on GK's post asking for townie to follow the leader to choose the lynch candidate, the day just started. I would expect that town Solar to gather more evidence and understand the reasoning behind Golbat lynch, rather than so quickly trying to jump on the bandwagon against Golbat. This makes it seem that scum Solar just wants to mislynch one more townie for the win. And by association, I think if Solar is scum, Obvious is likely to be his scum partner based on Solar's publicly announced finding of Obvious scum YET voting for Golbat. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
I don't think it is bad to ask this question at this point. I don't think other power roles should claim, but I think this question would help the town. GK and Darth, are you guys mason brothers? | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Can you explain to me exactly why Jyuht's death makes Golbat look any better? I don't follow that at all... You do realize that scum had zero time to react to my post before day post, right? And then I see a bunch of association based WIFOM case points made that, quite honestly, we don't need right now. Let's stick to case points based on scum-reads please. We don't need another Thrawn-like mislynch this turn. And regarding a "no-lynch:" this is a terrible idea. We have three scum to catch. I can't imagine that one less town is really going to raise our odds all that much. Further, if we mislynch and get a lucky save tonight (assuming there's a medic) we can still turn it around. We won't even have that if we wait... @Obvious: I haven't forgotten about you. If you want to establish yourself as town, you're going to have to work hard at presenting solid cases and providing a pro-town atmosphere. Your night post was a good start. However, if we mislynch this is (most likely) the end of the game. I need to hear more from you. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
The first 24 hours of today we should be discussing scum reads. I expect EVERYONE to share their reads. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
Z-boson's suspect list went: me, Jhyut, Golbat Darth's suspect list: Golbat, Jhyut, Solar GK's suspect list: Golbat, Jhyut, Obvious Maybe WIFOM. But to me, I still can't get my head around scum Golbat lynching town Jhyut, who seemed to be scum Golbat's only way out. Regards to no lynching, the only caveat for choosing to lynch today rather than tomorrow is the medic save. But if we decide to go ahead with our lynch today, I think claiming today is a good idea. We NEED a scum lynch today. And everyone claiming would make that much easier. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Yet again, this is WIFOM. Seriously, cut it out. What you posted had nothing to do with Golbat or Jhyut directly. If you want to post about Golbat or Jhyut, then post about something they actually said or did... I have absolutely no idea why you felt your latest post was worth mentioning. And yet again, where are these ideas coming from? Role claiming is a terrible idea. If you need to ask why, you badly need some coaching -_-. Instead of contributing anything of value, you add more WIFOM soft defense of Golbat, and introduce policy ideas to attempt to draw out people's roles... So I'd like to ask you: if you were me, how do you think you look right now? ##FoS: YourHarry | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On August 21 2012 13:24 YourHarry wrote: Good point on scums not having time to respond to your latest post. But there were common suspicions between Golbat and Jhyut that were posted hours before deadline: Z-boson's suspect list went: me, Jhyut, Golbat Darth's suspect list: Golbat, Jhyut, Solar GK's suspect list: Golbat, Jhyut, Obvious Maybe WIFOM. But to me, I still can't get my head around scum Golbat lynching town Jhyut, who seemed to be scum Golbat's only way out. Regards to no lynching, the only caveat for choosing to lynch today rather than tomorrow is the medic save. But if we decide to go ahead with our lynch today, I think claiming today is a good idea. We NEED a scum lynch today. And everyone claiming would make that much easier. Sorry I am kind of busy and am not following the thread right now. but I agree with a mass claim. we are at the stage of the game where we need as much info as possible because we cannot afford a mistake. I feel really out of my depth here, scum are either afk winning or playing really well. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
However, I am still convinced that claiming could help the town. In two of my last three games, we decided to mass claim toward the end of the game. Of course it helps the scum to decide how to use their actions, but it also helps the town to find the scum. I will think about this more. And I don't think it is something that we should ignore. | ||
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) my post was not a personal attack but rather a call to all lurkers to contribute something.
