On July 16 2012 23:52 ZenithM wrote:
LOL MAN YOU'RE THE SAN.
I'M ABOUT TO LOSE MY MANITY OVER HERE OLOLOL.

Edit: That didn't come out right, did it...

ahahaha

Jehct

New Zealand9115 Posts

July 16 2012 14:54 GMT

#1902

Nice play by San but I wish the map/positioning hadn't played such a big part. Symbol really got the worst breaks with a ZvT on Antiga and a ZvP on closer-pos Entombed. Great games all the same ^_^

pdd

Australia9933 Posts

July 16 2012 14:54 GMT

#1903

On July 16 2012 23:52 Daniel C wrote:
Where did San go for the past year or so? Is he making a resurgence?

He's done decently in team leagues. Also qualified for MLG Winter Arena. But yeah, has always fallen short of Code A even though he's got so much potential.

Dodgin

Canada39254 Posts

July 16 2012 14:54 GMT

#1904

Symbol is gonna be so crushed over this, lose in GSL then lose in ODT after going up 1-0 in an epic game with Byun.

Whatson

United States5356 Posts

July 16 2012 14:54 GMT

#1905

Is there going to be a rebroadcast of Group A?

Hassybaby

United Kingdom10823 Posts

July 16 2012 14:54 GMT

#1906

On July 16 2012 23:52 ZenithM wrote:
LOL MAN YOU'RE THE SAN.
I'M ABOUT TO LOSE MY MANITY OVER HERE OLOLOL.

Edit: That didn't come out right, did it...

The coming out may have been the issue

Juliette

United States6003 Posts

July 16 2012 14:55 GMT

#1907

goodnight all

minilance

Canada500 Posts

July 16 2012 14:55 GMT

#1908

San Is Back

SilentSC2

United States505 Posts

July 16 2012 14:55 GMT

#1909

Yes I got both of the results right in the poll!~ MVP and MANZENITH FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!

HaXXspetten

Sweden15718 Posts

July 16 2012 14:55 GMT

#1910

On July 16 2012 23:55 Juliette wrote:
goodnight all

dream of me hon'

pdd

Australia9933 Posts

July 16 2012 14:55 GMT

#1911

On July 16 2012 23:54 Dodgin wrote:
Symbol is gonna be so crushed over this, lose in GSL then lose in ODT after going up 1-0 in an epic game with Byun.

Byun would be even more crushed IMO, he was winning a large part of that game vs Symbol and his loss to San was mainly a BO loss. Hope it doesn't affect his performances on Thursday.

CAPSLOCKED

563 Posts

July 16 2012 14:55 GMT

#1912

On July 16 2012 23:54 Whatson wrote:
Is there going to be a rebroadcast of Group A?

http://www.twitch.tv/ooooophidian/b/325099852

opterown

Australia54748 Posts

July 16 2012 14:55 GMT

#1913

On July 16 2012 23:55 Juliette wrote:
goodnight all

good night! thanks again~

Tirr

Russian Federation122 Posts

July 16 2012 14:56 GMT

#1914

On July 16 2012 23:53 bokchoi wrote:
San: Even though I may currently be Code B, I believe I am a Code S caliber player so I'm not afraid of anybody.

MANZENITH! So good last days, SICK CreatorPrime play, and now San!
Well, as always, I know who to root for. As long as San is in play - my heart goes for him!

Ragnarork

France9034 Posts

July 16 2012 14:56 GMT

#1915

On July 16 2012 23:53 bokchoi wrote:
San: After losing to DRG, I thought I will just lose both games and get eliminated, but since I advanced like this I'm really happy.

San: Even though I may currently be Code B, I believe I am a Code S caliber player so I'm not afraid of anybody.

Epic statement !

But back it up now :D !

Daniel C

Hong Kong1606 Posts

July 16 2012 14:56 GMT

#1916

On July 16 2012 23:53 corumjhaelen wrote:

Show nested quote +

It doesn't decrease the chances exponentially at all. Do the maths with 60-40 for instance, the difference is actually pretty small.
Bo1 is perfectly fine, and I doubt OGN will change it.

With 60/40 split:

Bo1: better player has 60% chance to win.
Bo3: better player has 64.8% chance to win.

Wrong use of "exponential".

bokchoi

Korea (South)9498 Posts

July 16 2012 14:57 GMT

#1917

I just hope Koreans see today's matches (especially Group B) and see how amazing SC2 can be. OSL really couldn't have asked for better matches to open ODT!

dragonborn

4781 Posts

July 16 2012 14:57 GMT

#1918

On July 16 2012 23:51 noddy wrote:
Yes Sannn!! Thank you for knocking Symbol out :D

Good news for MKP indeed

Adreme

United States5574 Posts

July 16 2012 14:57 GMT

#1919

On July 16 2012 23:56 Daniel C wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 16 2012 23:53 corumjhaelen wrote:

On July 16 2012 23:51 Fubi wrote:

On July 16 2012 23:41 vthree wrote:

On July 16 2012 23:38 Fubi wrote:

On July 16 2012 23:35 Dodgin wrote:

On July 16 2012 23:34 Fubi wrote:
Bo1 is so retarded; OSL needs to realize that SC2 is much more volatile and less figured out than BW, pretty much anyone can beat anyone else in a Bo1, add the random map pool on top to ice the cake and you'll have these random games where anyone can advance

I think the games have been pretty high quality, and the better play has won.

Byun went for an all-in and failed, It's his fault.

Right, the Bo1's can still be high quality and the better players can still win in that one game, but that doesn't change the fact that the games can go either way, and it also makes the random map choice really retarded.

Yes, and an argument could be made Bo5 is even better and Bo7, Bo9... You can go on and on. But unless they only do 1 group per day, Bo3 just takes too long unless they are all cheese games. You can also argue dual tournament format could be unfair depending on who plays whom first and full round robin is better.

The difference is, Bo1 allows for the randomness in the game (and maps) to come into play a lot more. A player of lower league can still beat a top player if it's just a Bo1, but going up to Bo3 decreases this chance exponentially. Where as the jump going up from Bo7 to Bo9 is negligible because there is almost no chance the lesser player will win in either of this case anyways, that's why higher BoX series is only needed when player's skill gaps get closer and closer (as in the tournament goes higher and higher).

I mean yea, I agree there is always a trade-off between time and accuracy of determining the better players advancing. I just feel that the trade off is worth it for at least going up to Bo3

It doesn't decrease the chances exponentially at all. Do the maths with 60-40 for instance, the difference is actually pretty small.
Bo1 is perfectly fine, and I doubt OGN will change it.

With 60/40 split:

Bo1: better player has 60% chance to win.
Bo3: better player has 64.8% chance to win.

Wrong use of "exponential".

Its never that simple though. The reason Bo3 favors the best players often is because it lessens the impact of specific map imbalances but it seems like this OSL does not have a very diverse map pool anyway.

Prplppleatr

United States1518 Posts

July 16 2012 14:57 GMT

#1920

bo1 ftl...why osl..why

bo3 prelim's, but only bo1 in actual tourney...so lame