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Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
July 16 2012 14:57 GMT
#1921
On July 16 2012 23:57 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 23:51 noddy wrote:
Yes Sannn!! Thank you for knocking Symbol out :D

Good news for MKP indeed


I don't know man, MKP has to face Yugioh in his match.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 16 2012 14:58 GMT
#1922
On July 16 2012 23:55 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 23:54 Dodgin wrote:
Symbol is gonna be so crushed over this, lose in GSL then lose in ODT after going up 1-0 in an epic game with Byun.

Byun would be even more crushed IMO, he was winning a large part of that game vs Symbol and his loss to San was mainly a BO loss. Hope it doesn't affect his performances on Thursday.


Seed should have the mental advantage now, that's for sure.

GSL ro4 is only a few days away.
HappyTimePANDA
Profile Joined March 2012
United States167 Posts
July 16 2012 14:58 GMT
#1923
San beat Symbol, I have lost all faith in life :/. Really wanted to see Symbol vs Kespa
Violet | Leenock | Life | Symbol | Jaedong | DRG
Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
July 16 2012 14:58 GMT
#1924
I am so glad that DRG won .
Fruitdealer, DongRaeGu, and Soulkey
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
July 16 2012 14:58 GMT
#1925
A protoss will take this OSL, bringing Protoss their first Korean championship in over a year. I can feel it. The Legend of the Fall.
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SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
July 16 2012 14:58 GMT
#1926
On July 16 2012 23:57 Prplppleatr wrote:
bo1 ftl...why osl..why

bo3 prelim's, but only bo1 in actual tourney...so lame


This. I don't get it. Bo1 are so frustrating to watch
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
July 16 2012 14:58 GMT
#1927
Everyone I advanced that I wanted to except Byun. Predicted DRG/San for this group on a hunch though so that makes me feel a little better I guess.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
July 16 2012 14:59 GMT
#1928
On July 16 2012 23:53 corumjhaelen wrote:
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On July 16 2012 23:51 Fubi wrote:
On July 16 2012 23:41 vthree wrote:
On July 16 2012 23:38 Fubi wrote:
On July 16 2012 23:35 Dodgin wrote:
On July 16 2012 23:34 Fubi wrote:
Bo1 is so retarded; OSL needs to realize that SC2 is much more volatile and less figured out than BW, pretty much anyone can beat anyone else in a Bo1, add the random map pool on top to ice the cake and you'll have these random games where anyone can advance


I think the games have been pretty high quality, and the better play has won.

Byun went for an all-in and failed, It's his fault.

Right, the Bo1's can still be high quality and the better players can still win in that one game, but that doesn't change the fact that the games can go either way, and it also makes the random map choice really retarded.


Yes, and an argument could be made Bo5 is even better and Bo7, Bo9... You can go on and on. But unless they only do 1 group per day, Bo3 just takes too long unless they are all cheese games. You can also argue dual tournament format could be unfair depending on who plays whom first and full round robin is better.

The difference is, Bo1 allows for the randomness in the game (and maps) to come into play a lot more. A player of lower league can still beat a top player if it's just a Bo1, but going up to Bo3 decreases this chance exponentially. Where as the jump going up from Bo7 to Bo9 is negligible because there is almost no chance the lesser player will win in either of this case anyways, that's why higher BoX series is only needed when player's skill gaps get closer and closer (as in the tournament goes higher and higher).

I mean yea, I agree there is always a trade-off between time and accuracy of determining the better players advancing. I just feel that the trade off is worth it for at least going up to Bo3

It doesn't decrease the chances exponentially at all. Do the maths with 60-40 for instance, the difference is actually pretty small.
Bo1 is perfectly fine, and I doubt OGN will change it.

pure mathematically yea it doesn't, but if you take into consideration the difference in maps, the fact that the better players usually have better mind-games in multi-set matches, and the better player has more variety of strategies (as oppose to the lesser player just all-inning in a Bo1 and hope to win), then yea, the chance for the better player to advance does increase exponentiallly
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 16 2012 14:59 GMT
#1929
On July 16 2012 23:58 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 23:55 pdd wrote:
On July 16 2012 23:54 Dodgin wrote:
Symbol is gonna be so crushed over this, lose in GSL then lose in ODT after going up 1-0 in an epic game with Byun.

Byun would be even more crushed IMO, he was winning a large part of that game vs Symbol and his loss to San was mainly a BO loss. Hope it doesn't affect his performances on Thursday.


Seed should have the mental advantage now, that's for sure.

GSL ro4 is only a few days away.

i think byun 1-1-1 to save his real strats for vsP though.
byun's always struck me as pretty mentally strong
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
July 16 2012 14:59 GMT
#1930
o san you super nerd way to go.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 16 2012 14:59 GMT
#1931
Wow, San beats Naniwa, Seed, Life to get here and beats Byun and Symbol today (losing to DRG)... So that is 2 Ro8s and 2 Ro4s in this GSL and losing only to another Ro4 (and the favorite to win it all). It just shows the number of Koreans at this level. Just because they might not be doing well in GSL, they still are good enough to take series off anyone. One bad day means elimination from GSL.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
July 16 2012 14:59 GMT
#1932
Wow, I didn't expect OZ and San to make it through.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
July 16 2012 14:59 GMT
#1933
looks like Symbol didnt expect to play a toss and lost with a stupid build
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
July 16 2012 15:00 GMT
#1934
On July 16 2012 23:58 Kiyo. wrote:
A protoss will take this OSL, bringing Protoss their first Korean championship in over a year. I can feel it. The Legend of the Fall.


Second championship in over a year, you mean. My man Jangbi will take the final BW OSL, mark my words.
IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
July 16 2012 15:00 GMT
#1935
On July 16 2012 22:13 opterown wrote:
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On July 16 2012 22:10 WArped wrote:
2 out of 3 maps in the pool are really Zerg unfavorable, luckily Z is strong right now anyway so I guess it balances out. :D

really?
ohana 46%
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/521_ESV_Ohana_RE/games/TvZ

that's terran vs zerg btw


Do not post false information.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/548_ESV_Ohana_LE/games

TvZ is 49.7%
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
July 16 2012 15:01 GMT
#1936
On July 17 2012 00:00 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 23:58 Kiyo. wrote:
A protoss will take this OSL, bringing Protoss their first Korean championship in over a year. I can feel it. The Legend of the Fall.


Second championship in over a year, you mean. My man Jangbi will take the final BW OSL, mark my words.


Jangbi is not beating either one of them. Fantasy played really bad last time and Flash was not at 100%. Whoever wins the FvF match today wins the whole OSL.
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
July 16 2012 15:01 GMT
#1937
On July 16 2012 23:47 figq wrote:
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On July 16 2012 23:43 stratmatt wrote:
Damn, as a terran player I was already getting bored playing starcraft with all these dumb patches coming out, but now I find myself not even enjoying watching the same damn thing over and over. This game is just not as fun to watch as it once was :/

Welcome to the down-to-earth reality of the other two races of about a year long GomTvT. As some guy at the NASL crowd shouted about terrans - "They had it coming".



Sorry, but gsl is not the only sc2 tournament. While GOm was terran-heavy, the international scene was well balanced. Now its just skewed everywhere and beyond enjoyment. Enjoy your constant pvz and the rare but severly hampered(and not what it used to be) tvz.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 16 2012 15:01 GMT
#1938
On July 16 2012 23:59 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 23:58 Dodgin wrote:
On July 16 2012 23:55 pdd wrote:
On July 16 2012 23:54 Dodgin wrote:
Symbol is gonna be so crushed over this, lose in GSL then lose in ODT after going up 1-0 in an epic game with Byun.

Byun would be even more crushed IMO, he was winning a large part of that game vs Symbol and his loss to San was mainly a BO loss. Hope it doesn't affect his performances on Thursday.


Seed should have the mental advantage now, that's for sure.

GSL ro4 is only a few days away.

i think byun 1-1-1 to save his real strats for vsP though.
byun's always struck me as pretty mentally strong

Yea I think Byun was hoping to dodge Protoss today and get through on beating Zerg so he wouldnt have to reveal anything
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 15:06:47
July 16 2012 15:01 GMT
#1939
On July 17 2012 00:00 IronManSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:13 opterown wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:10 WArped wrote:
2 out of 3 maps in the pool are really Zerg unfavorable, luckily Z is strong right now anyway so I guess it balances out. :D

really?
ohana 46%
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/521_ESV_Ohana_RE/games/TvZ

that's terran vs zerg btw


Do not post false information.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/548_ESV_Ohana_LE/games

TvZ is 49.7%

how come RE is still being played?
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Aeceus
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1278 Posts
July 16 2012 15:02 GMT
#1940
I quite enjoyed the Bo1 format today, had me on the edge of my seat for all the games.
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