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On July 14 2012 06:31 sciberbia wrote:
@keirathi
you make some decent points. I find a couple of those points slightly suspicious (disruptive posting, bad case on vivax), but overall I could easily see him as just being a frustrating townie.
I'm not convinced Risen is scummy, so I don't share your suspicion there.
I'm inclined to believe dropbear that he was ninja'd by marv in his original vote post for vivax. It's just too random of a lie to be made up. As I said, I think his "case" on vivax is a bit too blatant for it to be from a scum. Scum should be careful about making bad cases.
That said, I'd be willing to consolidate on dropbear because the only players I find definitively scummier than him (you and Vivax) don't seem to be getting lynched.
Vivax is tied with DropBear. People who aren't on vivax have said they find him scummy but being scummy is his meta or something. There is more chance for Vivax to be lynched today than DropBear imo
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Okay I'm back
Fuck I don't know if I have the time to reread all these last few pages.
Very quickly: Is the voting close or not? Is NL already set (as I imagined it would) or is there a candidate for lynch?
Is my vote needed right now? Because if so I'll skim these pages very quickly instead of reading them thoroughly
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On July 14 2012 06:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:33 sciberbia wrote:
@marv
I'd be really adverse to an austin lynch why?
Because it's too late and we need to consolidate our votes on someone. Now.
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On July 14 2012 06:36 gonzaw wrote:
Okay I'm back
Fuck I don't know if I have the time to reread all these last few pages.
Very quickly: Is the voting close or not? Is NL already set (as I imagined it would) or is there a candidate for lynch?
Is my vote needed right now? Because if so I'll skim these pages very quickly instead of reading them thoroughly
Yes it is. Go read my case on Vivax. Then go read the case on DropBear. Choose who you find scummier and vote. Here is votecount as it stands.
On July 14 2012 06:34 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:27 Risen wrote:
DropBear(3)
talismania
Miltonkram
Keirathi
Vivax(3)
Risen
sciberbia
DropBear
keirathi(2)
strongandbig
gonzaw
s0Lstice(2)
strongandbig
austinmcc
Risen(2)
Vivax
s0Lstice
austinmcc(1)
marvellosity
sciberbia(1)
Mattchew
From high votes to low.
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I think s&b, gonzaw, and talis would vote with me on austin at least
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EBWOP: Reminder we need 7 votes on someone to lynch them or it's a no lynch.
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On July 14 2012 06:24 Vivax wrote:Sciberbia, the question: has not been answered. You accused me of jumping on a Risen bandwagon. With zero posts to back it up. You know that if Risen flips scum, that defense is gonna get you lynched next. You lied. I was the first to vote for Risen.
I assumed that the question was rhetorical because you would not be asking it if you were not the first to vote Risen.
There were 4 posts on the page before yours of people throwing suspicion on risen:
marv: + Show Spoiler +On July 14 2012 02:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 02:18 Mattchew wrote:
I am going to sheep marv, on solistice most likely
I'm not at all sure about s0lstice, for my timing reasons given earlier. I need to exercise/eat now, but I want people to seriously consider Risenaustin and s0lstice (I think) both brought up points about his meta (defending townreads/connection scumhunting or some such). A couple of other people have noted his desire to change how he plays. however there is a significant difference from not playing too aggressive and not actually contributing or scumhunting. Remember way back earlier in the cycle when austin made his first case against Risen? Well Risen has done jack shit since then either and it's pretty late in the day to have done jack shit in. Other than that, general concerns: Keirathi is still quite uninvolved Some of austin's posts still seem misplaced Can't work out the angle behind Milton's attack on talismania Dropbear hasn't strayed too far from null for me s&b hasn't done anything particularly alignment indicating for me gonzaw doesn't know how to read towntells (this is a pointless jab actually) Overall I don't want to lynch any of s&b, dropbear, talis (I liked his last big post a lot) But yeah, please look at Risen and his contributions and tell me if you think he's townie (no 'he's playing nicer' excuses)
s0Lstice+ Show Spoiler +On July 14 2012 02:33 s0Lstice wrote:
Yes, I will support a lynch on Risen. I think he has a decent chance at flipping scum.
austin+ Show Spoiler +On July 14 2012 02:36 austinmcc wrote:Risen man, if you think I'm sketchy because of my town read on you, then you're in luck. Because I'm pretty concerned that you're still doing nothing. You look less like you're trying to control yourself, part of my finding you townie, and more like you're just lurking. Seriously. Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 08:42 Risen wrote:
Hey so I'm driving to vegas atm and then working out once I'm there. Sorry I dropped off the map. My vote won't be staying where it is. Reading while driving is stupid but from what I've scanned austin looks sketchy as shit with his town read on me. I'll be more thorough tonight when I'm able to sot down and read. Afaik we have a good day and a half left right? Or is it just a day Where are these thoughts? When are you going to contribute? Nobody but me really responded to Gonzaw's slight suspicions of Risen. Solstice is of two minds - + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 23:38 s0Lstice wrote:
quick ninja post while I should be working, regarding my thing with Risen
there are two conflicting ideas that I had some difficulty assignment weight to
-Risen is genuinely trying to improve his town play, and will deviate from his meta as a result
-Risen is matching a few key things in his scum meta
His desire to change his playstyle did seem genuine, especially in the post-game of SSB. I ended up assigning more weight to the second idea though because I believe it is very difficult to escape one's meta, as it is something that largely stems from the subconscious. However, the difficulty involved in ending up where I did was enough to make me want to pursue Milton primarily.
- and I'm back to being of two minds as well. This isn't just not offering reads anymore, this is doing nothing D1 but talking about yourself and how you're going to post, reading DropBear as a 5-dimensional town/mafia being, and then being entirely absent through all of yesterday's activity. Thread got crazy active yesterday afternoon, Risen's had no comment on any of it.
Oh fuck you Marv, ninjaing me. I'll go ahead and post this.
gonzaw+ Show Spoiler +On July 14 2012 02:49 gonzaw wrote:I don't like it at all that Risen hasn't shown up, he even promised to show up here: Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 08:42 Risen wrote:
Hey so I'm driving to vegas atm and then working out once I'm there. Sorry I dropped off the map. My vote won't be staying where it is. Reading while driving is stupid but from what I've scanned austin looks sketchy as shit with his town read on me. I'll be more thorough tonight when I'm able to sot down and read. Afaik we have a good day and a half left right? Or is it just a day ...but damn, there's something that doesn't make me comfortable with lynching him  I don't really know how to explain it, but I actually think his "I don't like making reads right now" post may work in his favour (mostly because of the way he said it, like I don't think he'd say that if he was scum the way he did it at that point in time). But it's damn hard to figure out if he's town or scum (for now I kind of feel about him what I felt about Greymist in the MTG game, he could go either way, did "scummy" things but some tiny teeny things give me a gut town tell). I wouldn't oppose his lynch as a talis/Vivax/solstice lynch, but I'm not that comfortable with it, or rather I don't really feel confident in it at this point (although its D1 so maybe it's the best thing to do anyways). However I don't like that above post at all, but it's possible he's just late or something. I agree with marv that Keirath has not been involved in anything since a long time. I did notice some "townie" stuff he might have done (calling Dropbear out for calling him town, coming out of nowhere to defend Milton); but I get a more "noob scum" feel from the rest of his post (differently than other players like solstice for instance, where I get a "noob town" feel from their post but may have done some little "scummy" stuff), so I don't really take those into account. Hmm, I think I'll keep my vote on Keirath for now, him doing nothing since posting those reads like a day ago doesn't convince me to unvote him.
@VIvax:Show nested quote +I'll post more about Keirathi and Dropbear soon, they offer quite interesting connections. Gonna try to interprete Dropbears mistake and draw conclusions. Since lynch time is closing in pretty fast I'd like those opinions soon, also on Risen as well.
Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 02:43 Mattchew wrote:On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target. He posted 1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck. 2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy. My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here. 3. On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.
Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing: On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players. still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali. He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him. I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense. I'll defend Milton for you  He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started. Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play. In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much? There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations. Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter. You should be less obvious in defending your buddy. SCUM TEAM
Vivax
talismania gonzaw, scum don't usually do this. so i don't want to vote dropbear. Scum don't usually defend other guys and accuse people....? Could you be a little bit more specific? What about the rest of his posts?
Holy crap 20 minutes to deadline
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On July 14 2012 06:37 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:36 gonzaw wrote:
Okay I'm back
Fuck I don't know if I have the time to reread all these last few pages.
Very quickly: Is the voting close or not? Is NL already set (as I imagined it would) or is there a candidate for lynch?
Is my vote needed right now? Because if so I'll skim these pages very quickly instead of reading them thoroughly Yes it is. Go read my case on Vivax. Then go read the case on DropBear. Choose who you find scummier and vote. Here is votecount as it stands. Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:34 Risen wrote:On July 14 2012 06:27 Risen wrote:
DropBear(3)
talismania
Miltonkram
Keirathi
Vivax(3)
Risen
sciberbia
DropBear
keirathi(2)
strongandbig
gonzaw
s0Lstice(2)
strongandbig
austinmcc
Risen(2)
Vivax
s0Lstice
austinmcc(1)
marvellosity
sciberbia(1)
Mattchew
From high votes to low.
I thought this was majority lynch...?
Or is it plurality lynch?
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On July 14 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:
no-one's gonna come with me on austin?
I kinda want to but I kinda don't. My feelings atm are that worst comes to worst, if I have to be wrong about someone I'd rather have a dead town dropbear than a dead town austin because at least austin seems to be trying.
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There's 20 minutes to deadline and you make a fucking post asking taht when you can just read the OP? Get a grip
It's majority
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Can keirathi still be lynched?
Also wtf marv and mattchew are still voting solstice/sciberbia? Or is that vote count outdated?
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DropBear has dropped off the map and is "lurking" or busy in the real world somewhere. Meanwhile Vivax has been scummy as all hell in the thread and you want to vote for DropBear?
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Dropbear is asleep because he's australian afaik
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On July 14 2012 06:39 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:37 Risen wrote:On July 14 2012 06:36 gonzaw wrote:
Okay I'm back
Fuck I don't know if I have the time to reread all these last few pages.
Very quickly: Is the voting close or not? Is NL already set (as I imagined it would) or is there a candidate for lynch?
Is my vote needed right now? Because if so I'll skim these pages very quickly instead of reading them thoroughly Yes it is. Go read my case on Vivax. Then go read the case on DropBear. Choose who you find scummier and vote. Here is votecount as it stands. On July 14 2012 06:34 Risen wrote:On July 14 2012 06:27 Risen wrote:
DropBear(3)
talismania
Miltonkram
Keirathi
Vivax(3)
Risen
sciberbia
DropBear
keirathi(2)
strongandbig
gonzaw
s0Lstice(2)
strongandbig
austinmcc
Risen(2)
Vivax
s0Lstice
austinmcc(1)
marvellosity
sciberbia(1)
Mattchew
From high votes to low. I thought this was majority lynch...? Or is it plurality lynch?
Lol are you trying to see how much of this stuff you can get away with or something?
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On July 14 2012 06:40 gonzaw wrote:
Can keirathi still be lynched?
Also wtf marv and mattchew are still voting solstice/sciberbia? Or is that vote count outdated?
Marv is on austin. Look at my posted vote count!
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On July 14 2012 06:41 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:39 gonzaw wrote:On July 14 2012 06:37 Risen wrote:On July 14 2012 06:36 gonzaw wrote:
Okay I'm back
Fuck I don't know if I have the time to reread all these last few pages.
Very quickly: Is the voting close or not? Is NL already set (as I imagined it would) or is there a candidate for lynch?
Is my vote needed right now? Because if so I'll skim these pages very quickly instead of reading them thoroughly Yes it is. Go read my case on Vivax. Then go read the case on DropBear. Choose who you find scummier and vote. Here is votecount as it stands. On July 14 2012 06:34 Risen wrote:On July 14 2012 06:27 Risen wrote:
DropBear(3)
talismania
Miltonkram
Keirathi
Vivax(3)
Risen
sciberbia
DropBear
keirathi(2)
strongandbig
gonzaw
s0Lstice(2)
strongandbig
austinmcc
Risen(2)
Vivax
s0Lstice
austinmcc(1)
marvellosity
sciberbia(1)
Mattchew
From high votes to low. I thought this was majority lynch...? Or is it plurality lynch? Lol are you trying to see how much of this stuff you can get away with or something?
yeah it's actually getting ridiculous.
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On July 14 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote:
There's 20 minutes to deadline and you make a fucking post asking taht when you can just read the OP? Get a grip
It's majority
It stoke me some doubt since Risen was all "vote Vivax/Dropbear" which made me think it may have been a plurality lynch.
If it's majority then sorry to tell you but we'll NL if things keep up like this.
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OK guys we have to lynch today!
I think there is least resistance to a dropbear lynch. I'd be willing to consolidate on dropbear. Is anyone strongly opposed to a dropbear lynch?
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On July 14 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
Dropbear is asleep because he's australian afaik
Boom. There ya go people, dude was busy and is now in a slumber, don't lynch him. Lynch the person you find scummy but you're afraid to lynch based on "meta" (even though he's a newbie and has a total of 1 scum game)... VIVAX!!!
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