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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 13 2012 21:08 GMT
#521
im willing to vote austin but marv what do you think about sol now? still scum but less sure than austin, or are you doubting your earlier read on him?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 13 2012 21:08 GMT
#522
On July 14 2012 06:04 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 06:00 talismania wrote:
@risen I don't know what to make of the risen v vivax to be honest. I liked your case against him but I'm still stuck on dropbear. and if dropbear is scum I can't see vivax being scum either. mmm I better not be tunneling again like I did last time to HiroPro.


You're tunneling. I'm telling you you're tunneling. Just look at viv's recent posting. I'm serious. It is that bad, but no one in this thread seems to be giving it any credit beyond "oh he's playing to his crazy town meta"

I'm tunneling too, though. I honestly think my case is stronger than yours tali. Do you feel your case on drop is stronger than my case on viv?


I dunno. I'm starting to think my case on austin is actually stronger than my case on dropbear was in the first place to be perfectly honest. However milton and keirathi also brought up good points on dropbear I think. Unless they were just trying to nudge a bandwagon along? Mmm shit.

Where has gonzaw gone? I kinda expect him to be in here cracking the whip near deadline.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2012 21:11 GMT
#523
On July 14 2012 06:08 strongandbig wrote:
im willing to vote austin but marv what do you think about sol now? still scum but less sure than austin, or are you doubting your earlier read on him?


this is about to sound pathetic, but i got townie vibes from s0lstice saying he was disappearing shortly but then hanging around longer than he should have :/
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 13 2012 21:12 GMT
#524
Alright well no lynch is bad. I'm willing to lynch anyone at this point, myself included. We need someone lynched so that we can draw conclusions from his flip. I wish there was an updated vote count. Seriously......
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 13 2012 21:12 GMT
#525
On July 14 2012 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 06:08 strongandbig wrote:
im willing to vote austin but marv what do you think about sol now? still scum but less sure than austin, or are you doubting your earlier read on him?


this is about to sound pathetic, but i got townie vibes from s0lstice saying he was disappearing shortly but then hanging around longer than he should have :/


How is that townie? Isn't that scummy?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 13 2012 21:13 GMT
#526
On July 14 2012 05:56 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 05:32 Keirathi wrote:
On July 14 2012 05:25 Risen wrote:
On July 14 2012 05:22 Keirathi wrote:
On July 14 2012 05:16 Risen wrote:
Keirathi please update your thoughts on me regarding the case I have just posted.........


I will if you will respond to what I said about you, particularly the part involving austin.


What about it? I thought he was being scummy b/c who makes a case that big and concludes towny? After logical thinking on my part, this isn't a reason to vote for him. As I said when I originally posted I would be voting for him I was driving and mainly just skimming the thread on my phone.

I also like how in order for you to actually do your job as a towny I have to respond to you. Really?


You asked me to update my thoughts on you. How you responded to the most important section of my post has more bearing on my thoughts towards you than your case on Vivax does.

I'll agree with you that your case on Vivax has some merit, but I feel like Vivax is playing like the crazy Vivax I've played with before as a townie. Not that that is proof, but its reason enough for me not to vote him today.


That's your response. That's your reasoning. My case has merit, but whatever I'm still not voting for him b/c of meta. Got it.


I think there are better cases today than Vivax. I fail to see how that is bad reasoning. Does your post have merit? Yes. Does it have more merit than cases against you or Drop? Not to me.

I'm not really sure what to make of you coming in all of a sudden at the deadline and balls-to-the-wall tunneling someone.

So I'm going to:

##Vote DropBear

For now.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2012 21:13 GMT
#527
In my experience scum usually take any excuse to not have to post further in the thread, he had his but he came back anyway.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 13 2012 21:17 GMT
#528
On July 14 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote:
In my experience scum usually take any excuse to not have to post further in the thread, he had his but he came back anyway.


Alright, makes sense.

I'm going to leave my vote on viv, and if someone needs one more vote (even if it's me) to be lynched I'll move to that person. We need a lynch today, and we need a vote count........
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 13 2012 21:18 GMT
#529
On July 14 2012 03:55 Miltonkram wrote:
@ sciberbia
I would be interested in hearing your opinion of DropBear.


Sorry I just spotted this while going through your filter.

In short, I am pretty neutral on him. His first post feels townie to me. His next couple posts feel sketchy. His vote on vivax is not a scumtell IMO. I think scum would be extremely wary of voting with so little reasoning. His conviction in a talis & vivax scumteam seems a bit suspicious. I really just don't have a strong feel on him one way or the other.




Goddamn this is messy. It doesn't feel like anybody has enough cumulative suspicion on them to get them lynched. I'm feeling like vivax would be my personal top choice right now followed by Keirathi, but nobody else seems that interested in lynching them.

Maybe I'm wrong, but as I see it these are the realistic lynch candidates at this point:
keirathi, vivax, risen, s0Lstice, dropbear, austin

For me, from most to least scummy, it is: vivax, keirathi, dropbear, s0Lstice, risen, austin

I really don't know which of them we can even get enough votes for, but I'm currently feeling more anti-vivax than anti-keriathi and I think the vivax case also has more steam behind it, so I will


##Unvote
##Vote Vivax


Can we get a votecount please?
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 13 2012 21:20 GMT
#530
@sciberbia: what about the fact that DropBear has literally posted 0 reasoning whatsoever behind why he's pushing Vivax so hard?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 13 2012 21:22 GMT
#531
EBWOP: for clarity, my read on him

DropBear
I still think his vote on Vivax was suspicious, but that's been talked to death, so I'll continue.

Along with tali, I feel like he was been entirely overaggressive and disruptive with thinks like + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:
On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax


the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said?

I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy?
, but he refuted that with some meta argument, so I'll give him the BotD for that just being the way he plays.

However, with Risen being my strongest read right now, this really bothers me:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 02:40 DropBear wrote:
I do not support a Risen lynch. He stated that he is busy and I liked some of his earlier stuff once he got past filler about smilies.


Maybe a scum wouldn't just outright defend a teamate like that on day1, but its such a flimsy reason that it feels like he could get away with it later if they are both scum.

Last point: he really hasn't made much of a case on Vivax despite voting him and continuing to vote him.

His only posts that even mention Vivax at all: + Show Spoiler +

On July 13 2012 01:39 DropBear wrote:
Vivax I am very confused as the reasoning behind your voting so far. Why did you choose strongandbig initially?

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 18:30 Vivax wrote:
@ NSH

It's cause of a habit. I just tend to expect links in underlined words <_<.

Back to the topic:

##unvote strongandbig
Very informative post about marv there.

Wanted to vote Milton next but he posted.
He tries to make himself pretty transparent by posting his games. It's a good sign, but nothing decisive.

Speaking of meta, sciberbia doesn't look good based on that.I was with him in two games and I feel like he's being different in this one.
s0lstice already pointed out the missing fast posts we're used to see from scib at the start of the game.

That alone is forgivable given the posted reasons. But the overall gut feeling is still bad cause of the overall style.


What do you mean by an informative post? Cos he made a case he must be town or something?

What are the differences in sciberbia you talk about?



On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax


On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:
On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax


the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said?

I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy?


On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:
I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target.

He posted

1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck.

2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy.

My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here.

3.
On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.


Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing:

On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players.


still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali.

He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him.

I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense.

I'll defend Milton for you

He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started.

Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play.

In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much?

There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations.

Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter.

You should be less obvious in defending your buddy.

SCUM TEAM

Vivax
talismania


On July 14 2012 02:40 DropBear wrote:
HOST YOU MISSED MY VOTE FOR VIVAX

I am not going to be here for lynch time, it's 4am my time.

I am voting for Vivax still. I would like to see the lynch between him and talismania.

I do not support a Milton lynch. I have already said this.

I do not support a Risen lynch. He stated that he is busy and I liked some of his earlier stuff once he got past filler about smilies.



On July 14 2012 02:55 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 02:43 austinmcc wrote:
On July 14 2012 02:40 DropBear wrote:
I do not support a Risen lynch. He stated that he is busy and I liked some of his earlier stuff once he got past filler about smilies.

Specifics please


This aimed at gonzaw. Made perfect sense, the thread was barely 4 pages old and gonzaw was saying people were lurking.
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early.


This because Vivax is scum.
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 16:38 Risen wrote:
On July 12 2012 16:29 Vivax wrote:
There's no link to a voting thread in the OP methinks.Add pls?

##Vote active lurk strongandbig


Yes, this is going places. I like your thinking. I just like your style, my dude. You have my vote!

##vote: Vivax


There's not a case in there, just a lot of saying Vivax is scum without any reasoning to back it up.

My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22027 Posts
July 13 2012 21:24 GMT
#532
Sciberbia, the question:

Who was the first to vote for Risen?


has not been answered.

You accused me of jumping on a Risen bandwagon.
With zero posts to back it up. You know that if Risen flips scum, that defense is gonna get you lynched next.

You lied. I was the first to vote for Risen.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 13 2012 21:27 GMT
#533
DropBear(3)
talismania
Miltonkram
Keirathi

Vivax(2)
Risen
sciberbia

austinmcc(1)
marvellosity

sciberbia(1)
Mattchew

keirathi(2)
strongandbig
gonzaw

s0Lstice(2)
strongandbig
austinmcc

Risen(2)
Vivax
s0Lstice
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 13 2012 21:28 GMT
#534
That's the votecount as it stands now I think.

On July 14 2012 06:24 Vivax wrote:
Sciberbia, the question:
Show nested quote +

Who was the first to vote for Risen?


has not been answered.

You accused me of jumping on a Risen bandwagon.
With zero posts to back it up. You know that if Risen flips scum, that defense is gonna get you lynched next.

You lied. I was the first to vote for Risen.


It's not a lie to say you hopped onto me. Just b/c you were the first to vote me doesn't mean you were the first to start the wagon. Just means you took advantage of an opportunity presented to you.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 13 2012 21:31 GMT
#535
@keirathi
you make some decent points. I find a couple of those points slightly suspicious (disruptive posting, bad case on vivax), but overall I could easily see him as just being a frustrating townie.

I'm not convinced Risen is scummy, so I don't share your suspicion there.

I'm inclined to believe dropbear that he was ninja'd by marv in his original vote post for vivax. It's just too random of a lie to be made up. As I said, I think his "case" on vivax is a bit too blatant for it to be from a scum. Scum should be careful about making bad cases.

That said, I'd be willing to consolidate on dropbear because the only players I find definitively scummier than him (you and Vivax) don't seem to be getting lynched.

marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2012 21:32 GMT
#536
no-one's gonna come with me on austin?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 13 2012 21:33 GMT
#537
@marv
I'd be really adverse to an austin lynch
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 13 2012 21:34 GMT
#538
On July 14 2012 06:27 Risen wrote:
DropBear(3)
talismania
Miltonkram
Keirathi

Vivax(3)
Risen
sciberbia
DropBear

keirathi(2)
strongandbig
gonzaw

s0Lstice(2)
strongandbig
austinmcc

Risen(2)
Vivax
s0Lstice

austinmcc(1)
marvellosity

sciberbia(1)
Mattchew


From high votes to low.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 13 2012 21:35 GMT
#539
Oops...

DropBear is on Vivax my bad. Sorry about two tallys so close to each other. Tell me if you find any mistakes, mine isn't official, but since there seems to be no host around thirty minutes before the deadline.........

Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2012 21:35 GMT
#540
On July 14 2012 06:33 sciberbia wrote:
@marv
I'd be really adverse to an austin lynch


why?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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