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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On June 13 2012 00:11 [17]Purple wrote: Would people consider NaNiwa a "StarTale" Protoss? He would be wouldn't he since he has lived and trained there for such a long time and would SaSe count as well? I think he is a Startale Protoss much like Huk was an oGs Protoss. He's lived in the Startale house for about 8 months now (and iirc he lived in it before that for a while before the Complexity/MVP partnership) which is a long, long time in Sc2 terms. No doubt they've shaped his play far more than Quantic, Dignitas or Complexity ever did. On June 13 2012 00:26 -TesteR- wrote: despite nani saying pvz is his worst, it should be okay. especially considering his closest teammate (SaSe) just killed stephano's "unbeatable zvp" Only in the mind of the delusional foreign fanboy would this make even the least bit of sense. It's so unfathomably ridiculous it barely merits comment. Inca and MC were pretty close too, but MC slays Zergs in his sleep and Inca is the worst PvZ player (alongside Mana) in professional Starcraft. As for the Sase/Stephano series Stephano was due a loss in ZvP given he hasn't lost vs a foreign Protoss in what seems like forever. Despite the result I thought Stephano looked the better player and Sase took a lot of big risks (realising he wasn't going to beat Stephano without gambling) and I would expect Stephano to win if it was a best of 7 or should they meet again. Naniwa's only played 8 games on PvZ in the last three months (and none since April) in which he managed: vs Hyun 0-2 Loss vs Nerchio 0-2 Loss vs Slivko 0-2 Loss vs Denkan 2-0 Win. I have no idea who Denkan is and his 0-6 overall record on TLPD suggests he's an ameatur so vs actual players Naniwa's manage 0 wins and 6 losses since March suggest his PvZ is at best unproven and at worst a liability. Three months is definitely enough time to turn things around but given he's not played Zergs for months I imagine he hasn't been training his PvZ much either so isn't too likely to have stumbled across a revolution in his play. Not that having terrible PvZ (theoretically, it's unproven really) stops him being a Code S level player. Loads of Code S level players are a bit useless in one matchup. | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
On June 13 2012 01:48 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: I think he is a Startale Protoss much like Huk was an oGs Protoss. He's lived in the Startale house for about 8 months now (and iirc he lived in it before that for a while before the Complexity/MVP partnership) which is a long, long time in Sc2 terms. No doubt they've shaped his play far more than Quantic, Dignitas or Complexity ever did. Only in the mind of the delusional foreign fanboy would this make even the least bit of sense. It's so unfathomably ridiculous it barely merits comment. Inca and MC were pretty close too, but MC slays Zergs in his sleep and Inca is the worst PvZ player (alongside Mana) in professional Starcraft. As for the Sase/Stephano series Stephano was due a loss in ZvP given he hasn't lost vs a foreign Protoss in what seems like forever. Despite the result I thought Stephano looked the better player and Sase took a lot of big risks (realising he wasn't going to beat Stephano without gambling) and I would expect Stephano to win if it was a best of 7 or should they meet again. Naniwa's only played 8 games on PvZ in the last three months (and none since April) in which he managed: vs Hyun 0-2 Loss vs Nerchio 0-2 Loss vs Slivko 0-2 Loss vs Denkan 2-0 Win. I have no idea who Denkan is and his 0-6 overall record on TLPD suggests he's an ameatur so vs actual players Naniwa's manage 0 wins and 6 losses since March suggest his PvZ is at best unproven and at worst a liability. Three months is definitely enough time to turn things around but given he's not played Zergs for months I imagine he hasn't been training his PvZ much either so isn't too likely to have stumbled across a revolution in his play. Not that having terrible PvZ (theoretically, it's unproven really) stops him being a Code S level player. Loads of Code S level players are a bit useless in one matchup. I agree that NaNi's PvZ is likely his worst matchup, but the results you cited are fairly useless. I believe all of them came from Dreamhack while NaNi was still practicing for his matches with MVP and had previously been facing all terrans in the GSL. As a result he hadn't practiced PvZ for 3 weeks before the tournament. This doesn't mean he's actually good in PvZ, but it does mean losing to someone like Denkan is kind of an anomaly. You could tell at DH he had no idea what he was doing. | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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hayata2.0
Canada655 Posts
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gedatsu
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
On June 13 2012 02:04 hayata2.0 wrote: Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume. im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good | ||
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Cuh
United States403 Posts
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On June 13 2012 02:06 radiantshadow92 wrote: im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good Yeah Naniwa never beat MVP and Nestea or anything. | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
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Kkxtrouble
Brazil575 Posts
On June 13 2012 02:06 radiantshadow92 wrote: im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good Well, he did beat TheStc. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On June 13 2012 02:10 MattBarry wrote: Yeah Naniwa never beat MVP and Nestea or anything. Results from seven months ago are very relevant. Seven months ago MMA was the best player in the world and MarineKing was a washed up has been. | ||
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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On June 13 2012 01:48 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Only in the mind of the delusional foreign fanboy would this make even the least bit of sense. It's so unfathomably ridiculous it barely merits comment. Inca and MC were pretty close too, but MC slays Zergs in his sleep and Inca is the worst PvZ player (alongside Mana) in professional Starcraft. stupidity of this comment astounds me. Teammates may have similar styles/strengths/weaknesses, I don't see what's so hard to grasp about that concept. Of course there are some who don't (Inca and MC) and some who might (Naniwa and SaSe), but it is absolutely retarded to think a players skill isn't at least somewhat impacted by their teammates... | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
On June 13 2012 02:04 hayata2.0 wrote: Naniwa manages to (magically) dodge PvZ again. A good thing for him, I'd presume. I think he would have practiced a ton of pvz for this group since there were all 3 races | ||
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Dotq
Norway235 Posts
On June 13 2012 02:06 radiantshadow92 wrote: im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good One word for you: Ignorant. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On June 13 2012 01:48 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:As for the Sase/Stephano series Stephano was due a loss in ZvP given he hasn't lost vs a foreign Protoss in what seems like forever. Despite the result I thought Stephano looked the better player and Sase took a lot of big risks (realising he wasn't going to beat Stephano without gambling) and I would expect Stephano to win if it was a best of 7 or should they meet again. What big risks did SaSe take? Stephano was the one who did a baneling bust mate | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On June 13 2012 02:06 radiantshadow92 wrote: im really getting tired of him getting by with pvp. It makes him look like the best foregnor when his pvz and pvt probably arent as good this is like saying how MMA was getting by on TvT when he won the gold.. a win is a win regardless of race he played against. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On June 13 2012 02:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Results from seven months ago are very relevant. Seven months ago MMA was the best player in the world and MarineKing was a washed up has been. People like you seriously should never post on these forums. You act like you know "exactly" how a player is playing at that moment in time due to tournament results. Here is a new tip: Players may not "seem" as good as they are due to brackets, schedules, how they feel, etc they may not do as well in that exact setting as another player. Therefore, just because one player appears better than another to main stream viewers this does not mean he's "actually" better. MMA and MKP have been, and always will be, very good players. MMA always has the chance to do incredibly well, and MKP has the same talent. Saying one was a washed up has been proves you have zero knowledge of how volatile this game is, and this is amplified even more so for other races. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On June 13 2012 02:10 MattBarry wrote: Yeah Naniwa never beat MVP and Nestea or anything. Or DRG, Leenock, Nestea again, STC today. Naniwa is just bad. He had luck to get that undeserved seed. /lame haters Everything related with Naniwa is bad but if every other foreigner were in his place statues would have been raised and babies sacrificed in his name. | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25648 Posts
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