03/11 OSL Semi Final 2 - Page 33
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4129 Posts
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
He will always be strong (like Yellow), but never great He just don't have that "mojo" | ||
HonestTea
5007 Posts
On November 03 2006 06:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: just watched the vod too. Midas fucked up really, unexcusably bad by trying to get his tank up the ramp and also blocking with scvs at the same time, causing him to lose the second tank because anytime had more goons than he should due to midas not killing any goons with the gundam. And more importantly midas only saw 2 gates, not the 3rd, not the robo. So in retrospect I retract all my conspiracy theory statements and will accept that midas, simply, fked up. 1. Not seeing the third gate nor robo really screwed up Midas' build. In particular, I think he decided to not cancel his nat with that (flawed) information. 2. I was wondering what he was building with his fac - why did Midas only have 3 tanks when Anytime's goons came? The answer: 3 vultures. But instead of spreading mines and stalling, Midas tried to sneak in backdoor with the vultures for what I assume is probe harrass or gateway mining. Unfortunately for him, Anytime was able to kill all the vultures with his goons before moving out. In the end, Midas' forces were seperated at the worst possible moment. If the three vultures were with the three tanks when Anytime's goons moved in, Midas probably would have put up a better fight. | ||
PoP
France15446 Posts
On November 03 2006 06:24 zulu_nation8 wrote: You have to think in the way that every build has a purpose, why expand later when you can expand sooner, you expand later cuz you want to gain in some other area or you want to have more control early on in sacrifice of economy. 4-6 rines = 200 to 300 min + vult = another 75 min + mine research = 100 more minerals, why spend all that when you can, perfectly safe, expand with one tank and maybe 2-3 rines less? Well it's a goon-rush-safe, dt-rush-safe build (and not particularly less fast-drop-safe than any other one, esp. tanks/CC) + you have your expo quite early and can still move out if your opponent goes 14 CC or a late second gate, meaning he can't really be too greedy either. Of course it's better if you use your marines early because they won't be nearly as useful later on (though if you plan to go for a timing push they can be handy to kill obs or even help as support). So it's a good, solid build which can either lead to a gundam-kind of rush or to a fast nat/rush-safe situation, depending on what you see. My point is that moving out *whatsoever* is not a good idea. You've gotta adapt to what you see. Esp. when the build has been overused and every P knows how to stop it easily. DT's don't can still be stopped by mine and turret regardless if you come out or not. Can? Can't? Early spider mines stop DTs anyway unless you place them like a retard, that was my point. Of course he would've liked to kill 1-2 goons, but it really doesn't matter. I think losing all your gundam force for seeing anytime's base in game 5 of the OSL semi-finals is a no-brainer, gundam armies get destroyed pretty often. I'm not sure how helpful it is as a scouting purpose either. I don't know how Midas could scout Anytime's base in today's game but most of the time thoses FD rushes get stopped before the T even gets close to the P's main ramp. | ||
SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On November 03 2006 07:10 PaleMan wrote: Midas will never be great He will always be strong (like Yellow), but never great He just don't have that "mojo" WRONG! He definately has that Mojo. Top 4 MSL, Top 4 OSL. PL Ace... Don't worry, Midas is young. He is also consistant. Midas will not fall from Starcraft for a very disgustingly long time. And Yeah, I talked to Zulunation on MSN and said the same things Honesttea did cept I also added Midas probably made those vultures seeing only 2 gate and expected slower obs so he chose a mine stall over Siege for his expo and it all bit him in the ass. | ||
Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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pyrogenetix
United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
On November 03 2006 07:56 Elsi wrote: The problem with Midas he isnt an exciting player, he's just a solid macroer, that's all he is, with good timing and game sense, he hasn't got the flare of the likes of NaDa and JulyZerg, that's why he'll never win an OGN or MBC, to become a champion you need more than one thing, in my opinion, Midas has only got one thing, macro, nothing else. I've always believed that Midas' exceptional strength was not macro, but timing. But everything else I agree with | ||
Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
Anytime 9-5 Group 2-1 RO16 2-1 RO8 2-1 RO4 3-2 Nada 10-1 Group 3-0 RO16 2-1 RO8 2-0 RO4 3-0 Though Anytime arguably had a tougher road. Small margins oftentimes between success and failure. | ||
Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 03 2006 08:15 Wasabi wrote: I agree. Back when I wasn't a GoodFriend fan, I always thought they were the same when it comes to a lot of things, including their standard play. Midas has good timing in TvP though. GF does the same eventually (against Bisu in Peaks of Baekdu, and his slow aggressive push style in Arcadia 2: that play style looks like he was playing TvT, haha). yeah i felt like that before too gf and midas pretty similar except that gf used to own midas in tvt all the time midas' tvp is better and gf's tvz is better than midas' tvz (before at least..?) | ||
Red_Dragon
Croatia2861 Posts
The winner Midas fails one more time and also stays in the studio. Sad to see. Here are other pictures: http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_photo_read.asp?cat=PHO&idx=1730 | ||
Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
i only knew anytime would won game 4 because there were still 10 pages to read! but the battle report was so gg for anytime ù.ú yayy gogog anytime! | ||
ChApFoU
France2981 Posts
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SCNewb
Canada2210 Posts
aww that pic of midas.......... | ||
Vo-
United States435 Posts
I believe in the Legend of the Fall! | ||
PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
On November 03 2006 07:19 SuperJongMan wrote: WRONG! He definately has that Mojo. Top 4 MSL, Top 4 OSL. PL Ace... Don't worry, Midas is young. He is also consistant. Midas will not fall from Starcraft for a very disgustingly long time. And Yeah, I talked to Zulunation on MSN and said the same things Honesttea did cept I also added Midas probably made those vultures seeing only 2 gate and expected slower obs so he chose a mine stall over Siege for his expo and it all bit him in the ass. well, well, well remember Junwi? I remember him being 4th for three consecutive OGN seasons (if memory serves) Everyone was "oh, the public enemy, next generation of zerg, watch out for this guy" etc. Where is he now? Struggling in ODT and Survival... | ||
LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
On November 03 2006 06:24 zulu_nation8 wrote: ok i lied not last post :p. You have to think in the way that every build has a purpose, why expand later when you can expand sooner, you expand later cuz you want to gain in some other area or you want to have more control early on in sacrifice of economy. 4-6 rines = 200 to 300 min + vult = another 75 min + mine research = 100 more minerals, why spend all that when you can, perfectly safe, expand with one tank and maybe 2-3 rines less? DT's don't can still be stopped by mine and turret regardless if you come out or not. Of course he would've liked to kill 1-2 goons, but it really doesn't matter. I think losing all your gundam force for seeing anytime's base in game 5 of the OSL semi-finals is a no-brainer, gundam armies get destroyed pretty often. it is not worth it to lose 6 rine and a vult to scout if protoss goes hardcore goon/obs or just normal gate-robo-gate obs, you need a bunker or you are dead, there is no amount of micro that can stop 6-7 goons with 2 tanks without having a bunker, siege or not is irrelevant, if midas managed to secure his ramp, the 6 goons would proceed to kill the cc freely while p expands or gets shuttle. 2 tanks are not going to stop 6 goons, and even if the p is scared he can wait for that zealot bomb shuttle, 4-5 tanks will not stop zeal bomb + many goons midas should have properly scouted before suiciding his shit (not possible since he scouts after he starts his factory), or backed off immediately when he saw 4 goons above ramp, he would see the obs/goon attack with mines placed on anytime's nat and have enough time to build a bunker | ||
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