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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 03 2006 04:30 mrmin123 wrote: I'm going to get less than 2 hours of sleep because I stayed up to watch this but it was fucking worth it. God fucking damn it was worth it. rofl are you in the US or sometihng? xd | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On November 03 2006 04:18 zulu_nation8 wrote: better placed mines, more mines, cancel cc, build 2 rines, bunker on ramp, scv blocking, build cc in base and he still wouldve been up. is there a respectable terran player here that can comment on this. I do not believe that midas saw his gates and didn't do anything about it. Something feels wrong | ||
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Silver
New Zealand379 Posts
 and nice song luhh! well adapted ... i liked the prayer one too....ANYTIME FIGHTING! | ||
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-DaJ-
Switzerland539 Posts
but i dont want to comment on if this possibility would have worked. all i want to say is: he saw the gates warping. while midas was pressuring with his first push -> rinez,vults (mines) and tank he was up the ramp and saw 3 GWs... | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
FD was developed because of maps like Luna, where Terrans cannot wall their ramp. 1. Build up to 6 marines and close choke. 2. Fac->Shop->Tank while researching Mines 3. Send your marines and your tank (and one SCV) to push 4. Rally vulture to your forces 5. When you reach toss base, your vulture should have caught up. 6. Attack with rines, mines, and tanks 7. AND THIS IS MOST CRITICAL - Expand at nat FD Terran is most definetly not an anti-DT build. It is, when most effective, a counter to 1-gate expanding tosses (which was the trend a year ago). But the beauty of the strat is, even if it fails, with your mines and early pressure you can contain the toss and take your nat very, very safely while denying Toss nat. It's not even that big of a deal if you lose your initial push forces (although retreat your tank if you can). A successful FD will make it so Terran takes their nat with no pressure, while Toss is cut off from their nat and contained. This terrorized Tosses last year, until opening with two-gates became the norm. Midas' FD failed because 1. Anytime went ranged 3-gate goon 2. Anytime got quick obs, rendering Midas' mines useless. 3. Midas was formulaic I understand zulu is in disbelief, but I honestly think Midas just failed to react quickly enough. Even if he had reacted quickly he was in trouble, but his wits failed him I think. You can tell that he was desperate to do something, because he had his tanks and SCVs out at his ramp to make a last stand against the goon onslaught | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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DeathBlow
Romania117 Posts
Day(9) expressed exactly what i am feeling : "All my favorite players are protoss" But i wont be sad if NaDa take the Golden Mouse . May the best "," win . Edit - I think i miss a "," | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 03 2006 04:50 DeathBlow wrote: All i was able to say after Midas's gg , was " YUPIIIIII ! " Day(9) expressed exactly what i am feeling : "All my favorite players are protoss" But i wont be sad if NaDa take the Golden Mouse . May the best win . lol yeah omg i cant fuckin wait for nada vs anytime finals now >< i want the old nada times back, huge macro wars and a billion tanks running over everything. TORNADO TERRAN ftW!! | ||
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Zea!
9589 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
Game 1: Midas doesn't play very well, gets crushed after a mid-long game (Arcadia 2 both games) Game 2: Both go for weird builds and Midas' opponent totally fails, Midas wins (Arkanoid today, The Eye vs Savior) Game 3: Pretty standard game with Midas winning with rock-solid play (Tau Cross today, RH3 vs Savior) Game 4: Midas takes a comfortable lead then gets overconfident, doesn't attack at the right timings and screws up his micro when he does, ends up losing (Sin Peaks today, 815 vs Savior) Game 5: Midas loses badly (Arcacia 2 both games). | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 03 2006 04:58 PoP wrote: By the way, that time Savior won the finals 3-1 vs Nal_rA who was making a huge comeback and who'd won his semi 3-0 in a mirror matchup. lol sorry what do u mean ? dont get ur post >< who won his semi in a 3-0 mirror matchup?.. ra? | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On November 03 2006 05:01 alffla wrote: lol sorry what do u mean ? dont get ur post >< who won his semi in a 3-0 mirror matchup?.. ra? Yeah. Well I'm being contaminated by Plexa probably, seeing coincidences/"patterns" everywhere. :D | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
![[image loading]](http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs5/300W/i/2004/337/f/b/kill_bear_by_halley42.jpg) Finals gonna be great! | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On November 03 2006 04:40 HonestTea wrote: Midas' FD failed because 1. Anytime went ranged 3-gate goon 2. Anytime got quick obs, rendering Midas' mines useless. 3. Midas was formulaic I understand zulu is in disbelief, but I honestly think Midas just failed to react quickly enough. Even if he had reacted quickly he was in trouble, but his wits failed him I think. You can tell that he was desperate to do something, because he had his tanks and SCVs out at his ramp to make a last stand against the goon onslaught I just don't think you lose cuz you're "formulaic". I could be completely mistaken on this but I really don't think I am. There's no build that "counters" FD that well, especially on arcadia since the starting positions are pretty much as far as they could be. There's really not THAT many variations in tvp openings. At least there shouldn't be so many as to midas as not practiced 100 times vs them all. Something went wrong that game. Either midas didn't research siege at all, which i have no idea when you're supposed to, but i'm guessing right after you start your cc, midas lost on purpose, or midas got really really nervous and just forgot to react which is highly highly highly highly highly unlikely unless he's never seen the build before which is impossible, and even if he hadn't, it's 1 gate robo with another gate plus 2 more gates, I think even players like us could figure out the timing and how fast goons will get to your base. In other words, I don't think Midas failed to react quickly enough, he just didn't react. Midas is a progamer, his multitasking even for a progamer is excellent, anytime got observer before those goons, that rush was slow as hell, Midas had enough time to set up a defense. And I'm 1000% certain he knows that if he stopped the rush and built cc in base he still would've been up. So it's either, midas didn't research siege cuz I have no idea why, or Midas didn't react cuz i have no idea why. I'm confused, i don't know what just happened. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
On November 03 2006 04:32 zulu_nation8 wrote: is there a respectable terran player here that can comment on this. I do not believe that midas saw his gates and didn't do anything about it. Something feels wrong i believe that not losing 6 marines and a vulture like a moron would have helped, at least he then could have built a bunker at his nat, 4-rine bunker+2 tanks+scvs > goons after losing those units it was pretty hard to stop those goons and even if he stopped them, shuttle + 4 zealot would follow | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On November 03 2006 05:25 Sabbath wrote: i believe that not losing 6 marines and a vulture like a moron would have helped, at least he then could have built a bunker at his nat Agreed 100% with that. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
![[image loading]](http://image.fighterforum.com/MAIN/2006/11/FFMAIN20061103215222001.JPG) ![[image loading]](http://image.fighterforum.com/showImage.asp?realFile=FFPHOT20061103220652014.JPEG) more pics here | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On November 03 2006 05:25 Sabbath wrote: i believe that not losing 6 marines and a vulture like a moron would have helped, at least he then could have built a bunker at his nat, 4-rine bunker+2 tanks+scvs > goons after losing those units it was pretty hard to stop those goons and even if he stopped them, shuttle + 4 zealot would follow if he didn't lose the 6 rines and vulture he wouldn't have seen anytime's base let alone prepare for the rush. I don't think you can expand and defend a 1 base 4 gate bulldog and i'm sure midas knows that too so he would've used the ramp to help. | ||
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