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Code S RO16 Preview - herO, Reynor, soO, GuMiho

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Code S RO16 Preview - herO, Reynor, soO, GuMiho

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May 8th, 2024 04:23 GMT

2024 GSL Code S Season 2

RO16 Group B Preview: herO, Reynor, soO, GuMiho

Thursday, May 09 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

by Wax

herO, what have you done? As far as we can tell, the top Korean Protoss made the boldest GSL group selection pick since 2013, directly picking Reynor to be his first opponent in his group.

Days of such youthful bravado seemed far behind us, giving way to the boring pragmatism of veteran players. What caused herO to take on such a challenge? We'll learn when GSL shows us some clips of the pre-recorded group selection prior to the group, but this pick makes you really miss the days when the selections were done in a live, in-studio show.

Add soO and GuMiho to the mix, and Group B becomes an unusually difficult group for the first round of the GSL. Maybe it's not a true 'group of death,' but it will force at least one playoff-caliber player to depart the tournament prematurely.

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Speaking of herO, one can partially understand the confidence behind his pick (if it was indeed confidence that caused it). He now looks fully recovered from his long slump where he couldn't play worth a lick in offline events, finishing runner-up in the latest season of Code S. While herO did lose 1-4 to Maru in a rather one-sided Code S final, he did manage to give the champ his only loss of their tournament in their RO8 group (a convincing 2-0). Overall, herO is back to being the clear #1 Protoss player in the world, and is just behind Maru as the #2 player in Korea.

Even so, one has to hope he won't come to regret facing Reynor in his very first match of the new season. While I won't go too deep on Esports World Cup qualification scenarios, it will suffice to say that herO has a good, but hardly guaranteed chance of qualifying for the $1,000,000 event. Bombing out of this event won't directly doom herO to watching the richly prized tournament from home, but finishing as high as possible would help him cover all his bases.

As perplexing as herO's choice may be, I have to say I love it on a personal level. Right now, my head cannon is that herO had an epiphany during a grueling practice session, where he thought back on why he became a progamer in the first place. As a boy, there was no worrying about making money, charting hypothetical paths in a tournament, or calculating qualification scenarios to the next event. No, it was just about enjoying the game for its own sake, and there was no greater enjoyment than beating a strong opponent. Then, he came to a realization: If he were to forget that joyous feeling entirely, then what meaning was there to this path he had walked for over a decade? In that moment, he knew what he had to do… …Look, just let me indulge in this fantasy for the next thirty hours or so.

Amusingly enough, my fanfic actually does describe the reason Reynor came to Korea—at least partially. Sure, Reynor has talked about how he enjoys spending time in Korea, and I imagine he would never have returned for a third GSL attempt if that wasn't the case (he's spent multiple stints in Korea since he was 16 years old). At the same time, he's also talked about how he simply wants to win the GSL (albeit, I wish he had used more corny, inspirational, anime protagonist verbiage), and he sacrificed a golden opportunity to win $15,000 in the Serral-less EPT Europe to do so.

With such compelling motivation behind him and a sterling tournament resume that includes IEM Katowice 2021 and Gamers8 world championships, Reynor's return to Code S for the first time since 2022 is being justifiably hyped up. But as great a competitor as Reynor has proven himself to be, his last nine months in StarCraft II haven't exactly seen him play at that world champion level. In particular, he had some awful lowlights in the winter months, dropping out of EPT Winter/Atlanta in the top 24 (albeit, he was one of the pros laid low by the illness going around at the event), and he was one of the victims of the IEM Katowice 2024 group of death. Reynor has cracked jokes about being "washed" at his own expense, but one has to wonder how seriously this 'slump' is gnawing at him at a deeper level.

herO has been one of the contributors to Reynor's woes, knocking him out of the online Master's Coliseum 7 tournament and dishing out one of the losses that resulted in the Katowice catastrophe. Looking at the content of the games, I'm not sure if there's enough there for herO to feel like he has the edge against Reynor—at least to an outside observer it looked like two closely matched players faced each other and one just happened to be better on the day. Still, herO will have run into Reynor quite a few times on the ladder since he traveled to Korea to practice, so perhaps he has good reason to think he has the Italian's number.

In the big picture, I'm not seriously concerned about Reynor's tepid run of form. Right now, he feels a bit like 2019-2022 Dark—a player whose day-to-day consistency can vary, but is good for a handful of explosive runs every year. However, I don't think it's guaranteed that we'll get that virtuoso performance from him in this specific season of GSL, and a third straight RO16/20 exit in Code S remains a very real, if unlikely, possibility.

The peculiar first match between Reynor and herO has taken center stage in this group, but there are, in fact, two other players vying for RO8 tickets. Last season, soO proved he wasn't just some washed up veteran who was only showing up to pick up the RO16 paycheck and supply easy wins to the real contenders. Okay, well, he did go out immediately in the RO16, but taking wins against him was anything but easy. He stole a map off of Maru in a straight-up macro game, and even in his losses, his mid-game macro looked quite credible before his notoriously faulty late-game play failed him in the end (well, it will fail almost anyone when they're playing vs Maru).

Even though soO is playing more casually than during his prime, his baseline level is high enough that he's an outside threat to advance in the right RO16 group. Beating an in-form herO seems like a longshot, but the inconsistent GuMiho is eminently beatable on the right day. And, while Reynor is the better player in ZvZ, he's not so much better that he can't avoid the peril of the coinflip (WTL viewers will know this well). In fact, soO very recently demonstrated this danger to Reynor in the weekly Kung Fu Cup, beating him 2-1 (and even beating ShoWTimE 2-1 after that).

Finally, we have GuMiho, who's the real 'victim' of herO's shenanigans. While soO must know he's essentially out of Esports World Cup contention, GuMiho is trying his damndest to hold onto his provisional ticket. He's currently set to qualify from the EPT Korea region based on points, put there's plenty of room for other players to overtake him depending on how this season of Code S and the upcoming EPT Spring/Dallas tournament goes. Thus, the prospect of facing both herO and Reynor in the RO16 must have left him feeling quite aggrieved.

That's not to say GuMiho can't beat the two favorites in the group. He has a well-earned reputation as the ultimate agent of chaos, due to his love of unorthodox strategies, the extreme high-ceiling/low-floor nature of his play, and his utter lack of hesitation in triggering a basetrade the moment he thinks he's losing.

GuMiho's current form seems to be in that tricky, good-but-not-great zone, as he comes into this tournament with a RO12 finish at IEM Katowice and top eight finish in Code S Season 1. Yet, as has been said in many TL.net previews in the past, it feels pointless trying to predict GuMiho's performance based off of his latest results. There was little portending his Code S runner-up run in 2023's Season 3, nor were there many prior indicators that he'd take the silver at DreamHack Jonkoping 2023. Sometimes, you just have to roll the chaos dice and see what happens. Sometimes they come up snake eyes, sometimes it shows a "◼☸🕴ⓘ🚑🛳 ⓘ💍 🚄🚑🎁 🚲🎁?🚄," and sometimes it results in a championship caliber GuMiho performance.

Predictions

The almighty Aligulac sees herO as a strong favorite to advance, soO as being dead in the water, and Reynor having a moderate edge over GuMiho in the race for second place. This also aligns with with TL.net user predictions, and I'm going to make it three for three by saying it's herO advancing in first and Reynor following in second place.

I want to say that the caveat here is that this group is full of volatile players who can play extremely well at their best, so there's plenty of room for upsets. But, we tend to write that in 50% of the Code S previews—it just goes to show there's not that much separating the players good enough to make it to the RO16 (well, except for that one guy who won GSL nine times).

herO 2 - 1 Reynor
GuMiho 2 - 1 soO
herO 2 - 0 GuMiho
Reynor 2 - 1 soO
Reynor 2 - 0 GuMiho

herO and Reynor to advance

Credits and acknowledgements

Writer: Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Records and Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

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bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary373 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-08 18:08:01
May 08 2024 04:50 GMT
#2
gogo Reynor, good luck
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2196 Posts
May 08 2024 11:34 GMT
#3
Thursday is May 9th, not 2nd Great writeup, excited for the games!! I'm thinking Reynor is gonna bomb out in last place, but I'd be very happy to be wrong!
Cogito, ergo Toss
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany474 Posts
May 08 2024 11:53 GMT
#4
I am rooting for Reynor but I fear the strategies, which his opponents will come up with. Especially if he plays against GuMiho on the new maps.
Have a nice day!
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13967 Posts
May 08 2024 13:51 GMT
#5
Smiling Assassin really became a goofy goober with this one
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
May 08 2024 14:04 GMT
#6
It feels like Reynor is taking this a lot more seriously this time. Hopefully it pays off for him, this is definitely a tough group. I'd say Group D is still a little tougher, but if he does advance from this group it will be a nice comeback accomplishment for him.
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Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3323 Posts
May 08 2024 14:10 GMT
#7
Reynor will be knocking out a former champ tomorrow. It's gonna get spicy!
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Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States129 Posts
May 08 2024 16:18 GMT
#8
My prediction to advance is HerO and GuMiHo.

That being said, I've done a little trolling around Reynor's past GSL performances, but I really am rooting for him. The kid is a nice guy with a fun style.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3220 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-08 17:17:27
May 08 2024 16:47 GMT
#9
Being selected into the group with all 3 matchups to prepare for is quite tough for Reynor, and Bo3 against wild players like herO and Gumiho, or a possible ZvZ is not simple. If Reynor can take down herO, his chance to advance will be enormous.
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States442 Posts
May 08 2024 17:40 GMT
#10
My prediction is the lr thread is gonna be twice as many pages as group a

You have to think reynor is going to come out guns blazing after his last gsl performance. herO and Reynor advance imo but either way excited to see this group play out
NeWHoriZonS69
Profile Joined June 2019
11 Posts
May 08 2024 18:48 GMT
#11
On May 09 2024 01:18 Telephone wrote:
My prediction to advance is HerO and GuMiHo.

That being said, I've done a little trolling around Reynor's past GSL performances, but I really am rooting for him. The kid is a nice guy with a fun style.


Mandatory "It's herO not HerO"
veniss
Profile Joined August 2018
73 Posts
May 08 2024 19:53 GMT
#12
Rooting for Reynor. Wreck 'em.
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States669 Posts
May 08 2024 21:50 GMT
#13
Y'all don't realize that the latency in Korea makes local tournaments an entirely different gaming experience than in other parts of the world. Reynor is an absolute beast in tournaments with EU latency... but compared to Korea? It's just not the same. Hero chose Reynor because Reynor has the worst GSL results out of any of the players he could pick.
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2825 Posts
May 09 2024 00:06 GMT
#14
Best GSL group. I'd like at least 3 players to advance plz.
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DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany318 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-09 07:43:57
May 09 2024 06:35 GMT
#15
Im really looking forward to this group and i think that the predictions will become true.

One small mistake in the good articel. the right sentence would be: "in offline play the clear #1 Protoss player the world" ;-)
goldensail
Profile Joined May 2022
132 Posts
May 09 2024 12:11 GMT
#16
Reynor is living proof, yet again, that while GSL isn't what it used to be, it's still at least one of the most difficult tournaments to win.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12761 Posts
May 09 2024 12:15 GMT
#17
On May 09 2024 15:35 DarkGamer wrote:
Im really looking forward to this group and i think that the predictions will become true.

One small mistake in the good articel. the right sentence would be: "in offline play the clear #1 Protoss player the world" ;-)

Online warriors don’t matter.
Offline is where you need to perform (plus herO is better than MaxPax atm anyways)
WriterMaru
Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States129 Posts
May 09 2024 13:37 GMT
#18
Now that I said before the group happened that I was rooting for Reynor... He said before "I want to win a GSL just to shut them up." Yeah, a lot of people want to win a GSL.
Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States129 Posts
May 09 2024 16:51 GMT
#19
Also, how fun were GuMiHo's builds?? Never change, gumigod.
Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
186 Posts
May 09 2024 18:31 GMT
#20
While GSL is not as competitive as it once was, top 16 in GSL is still way higher average skill than a top 16 in Europe.
Top 16 players in GSL are all capable of taking bo3's of any player. So many people the past years thinking ESL tournaments somehow rival GSL it's just not the case. Europe has 4 players that belong in the top 16 in a GSL and Serral is probably the only one of those who would be a even favorite to win a GSL, but I think Serral would need several seasons before he would take a GSL, even if GSL is at it's lowest level of competitiveness it would still be tough.
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