herO, what have you done? As far as we can tell, the top Korean Protoss made the boldest GSL group selection pick since 2013, directly picking Reynor to be his first opponent in his group.
Days of such youthful bravado seemed far behind us, giving way to the boring pragmatism of veteran players. What caused herO to take on such a challenge? We'll learn when GSL shows us some clips of the pre-recorded group selection prior to the group, but this pick makes you really miss the days when the selections were done in a live, in-studio show.
Add soO and GuMiho to the mix, and Group B becomes an unusually difficult group for the first round of the GSL. Maybe it's not a true 'group of death,' but it will force at least one playoff-caliber player to depart the tournament prematurely.
Speaking of herO, one can partially understand the confidence behind his pick (if it was indeed confidence that caused it). He now looks fully recovered from his long slump where he couldn't play worth a lick in offline events, finishing runner-up in the latest season of Code S. While herO did lose 1-4 to Maru in a rather one-sided Code S final, he did manage to give the champ his only loss of their tournament in their RO8 group (a convincing 2-0). Overall, herO is back to being the clear #1 Protoss player in the world, and is just behind Maru as the #2 player in Korea.
Even so, one has to hope he won't come to regret facing Reynor in his very first match of the new season. While I won't go too deep on Esports World Cup qualification scenarios, it will suffice to say that herO has a good, but hardly guaranteed chance of qualifying for the $1,000,000 event. Bombing out of this event won't directly doom herO to watching the richly prized tournament from home, but finishing as high as possible would help him cover all his bases.
As perplexing as herO's choice may be, I have to say I love it on a personal level. Right now, my head cannon is that herO had an epiphany during a grueling practice session, where he thought back on why he became a progamer in the first place. As a boy, there was no worrying about making money, charting hypothetical paths in a tournament, or calculating qualification scenarios to the next event. No, it was just about enjoying the game for its own sake, and there was no greater enjoyment than beating a strong opponent. Then, he came to a realization: If he were to forget that joyous feeling entirely, then what meaning was there to this path he had walked for over a decade? In that moment, he knew what he had to do… …Look, just let me indulge in this fantasy for the next thirty hours or so.
Amusingly enough, my fanfic actually does describe the reason Reynor came to Korea—at least partially. Sure, Reynor has talked about how he enjoys spending time in Korea, and I imagine he would never have returned for a third GSL attempt if that wasn't the case (he's spent multiple stints in Korea since he was 16 years old). At the same time, he's also talked about how he simply wants to win the GSL (albeit, I wish he had used more corny, inspirational, anime protagonist verbiage), and he sacrificed a golden opportunity to win $15,000 in the Serral-less EPT Europe to do so.
With such compelling motivation behind him and a sterling tournament resume that includes IEM Katowice 2021 and Gamers8 world championships, Reynor's return to Code S for the first time since 2022 is being justifiably hyped up. But as great a competitor as Reynor has proven himself to be, his last nine months in StarCraft II haven't exactly seen him play at that world champion level. In particular, he had some awful lowlights in the winter months, dropping out of EPT Winter/Atlanta in the top 24 (albeit, he was one of the pros laid low by the illness going around at the event), and he was one of the victims of the IEM Katowice 2024 group of death. Reynor has cracked jokes about being "washed" at his own expense, but one has to wonder how seriously this 'slump' is gnawing at him at a deeper level.
herO has been one of the contributors to Reynor's woes, knocking him out of the online Master's Coliseum 7 tournament and dishing out one of the losses that resulted in the Katowice catastrophe. Looking at the content of the games, I'm not sure if there's enough there for herO to feel like he has the edge against Reynor—at least to an outside observer it looked like two closely matched players faced each other and one just happened to be better on the day. Still, herO will have run into Reynor quite a few times on the ladder since he traveled to Korea to practice, so perhaps he has good reason to think he has the Italian's number.
In the big picture, I'm not seriously concerned about Reynor's tepid run of form. Right now, he feels a bit like 2019-2022 Dark—a player whose day-to-day consistency can vary, but is good for a handful of explosive runs every year. However, I don't think it's guaranteed that we'll get that virtuoso performance from him in this specific season of GSL, and a third straight RO16/20 exit in Code S remains a very real, if unlikely, possibility.
The peculiar first match between Reynor and herO has taken center stage in this group, but there are, in fact, two other players vying for RO8 tickets. Last season, soO proved he wasn't just some washed up veteran who was only showing up to pick up the RO16 paycheck and supply easy wins to the real contenders. Okay, well, he did go out immediately in the RO16, but taking wins against him was anything but easy. He stole a map off of Maru in a straight-up macro game, and even in his losses, his mid-game macro looked quite credible before his notoriously faulty late-game play failed him in the end (well, it will fail almost anyone when they're playing vs Maru).
Even though soO is playing more casually than during his prime, his baseline level is high enough that he's an outside threat to advance in the right RO16 group. Beating an in-form herO seems like a longshot, but the inconsistent GuMiho is eminently beatable on the right day. And, while Reynor is the better player in ZvZ, he's not so much better that he can't avoid the peril of the coinflip (WTL viewers will know this well). In fact, soO very recently demonstrated this danger to Reynor in the weekly Kung Fu Cup, beating him 2-1 (and even beating ShoWTimE 2-1 after that).
Finally, we have GuMiho, who's the real 'victim' of herO's shenanigans. While soO must know he's essentially out of Esports World Cup contention, GuMiho is trying his damndest to hold onto his provisional ticket. He's currently set to qualify from the EPT Korea region based on points, put there's plenty of room for other players to overtake him depending on how this season of Code S and the upcoming EPT Spring/Dallas tournament goes. Thus, the prospect of facing both herO and Reynor in the RO16 must have left him feeling quite aggrieved.
That's not to say GuMiho can't beat the two favorites in the group. He has a well-earned reputation as the ultimate agent of chaos, due to his love of unorthodox strategies, the extreme high-ceiling/low-floor nature of his play, and his utter lack of hesitation in triggering a basetrade the moment he thinks he's losing.
GuMiho's current form seems to be in that tricky, good-but-not-great zone, as he comes into this tournament with a RO12 finish at IEM Katowice and top eight finish in Code S Season 1. Yet, as has been said in many TL.net previews in the past, it feels pointless trying to predict GuMiho's performance based off of his latest results. There was little portending his Code S runner-up run in 2023's Season 3, nor were there many prior indicators that he'd take the silver at DreamHack Jonkoping 2023. Sometimes, you just have to roll the chaos dice and see what happens. Sometimes they come up snake eyes, sometimes it shows a "◼☸🕴ⓘ🚑🛳 ⓘ💍 🚄🚑🎁 🚲🎁?🚄," and sometimes it results in a championship caliber GuMiho performance.
Predictions
The almighty Aligulac sees herO as a strong favorite to advance, soO as being dead in the water, and Reynor having a moderate edge over GuMiho in the race for second place. This also aligns with with TL.net user predictions, and I'm going to make it three for three by saying it's herO advancing in first and Reynor following in second place.
I want to say that the caveat here is that this group is full of volatile players who can play extremely well at their best, so there's plenty of room for upsets. But, we tend to write that in 50% of the Code S previews—it just goes to show there's not that much separating the players good enough to make it to the RO16 (well, except for that one guy who won GSL nine times).
Thursday is May 9th, not 2nd Great writeup, excited for the games!! I'm thinking Reynor is gonna bomb out in last place, but I'd be very happy to be wrong!
It feels like Reynor is taking this a lot more seriously this time. Hopefully it pays off for him, this is definitely a tough group. I'd say Group D is still a little tougher, but if he does advance from this group it will be a nice comeback accomplishment for him.
That being said, I've done a little trolling around Reynor's past GSL performances, but I really am rooting for him. The kid is a nice guy with a fun style.
Being selected into the group with all 3 matchups to prepare for is quite tough for Reynor, and Bo3 against wild players like herO and Gumiho, or a possible ZvZ is not simple. If Reynor can take down herO, his chance to advance will be enormous.
My prediction is the lr thread is gonna be twice as many pages as group a
You have to think reynor is going to come out guns blazing after his last gsl performance. herO and Reynor advance imo but either way excited to see this group play out
On May 09 2024 01:18 Telephone wrote: My prediction to advance is HerO and GuMiHo.
That being said, I've done a little trolling around Reynor's past GSL performances, but I really am rooting for him. The kid is a nice guy with a fun style.
Y'all don't realize that the latency in Korea makes local tournaments an entirely different gaming experience than in other parts of the world. Reynor is an absolute beast in tournaments with EU latency... but compared to Korea? It's just not the same. Hero chose Reynor because Reynor has the worst GSL results out of any of the players he could pick.
Now that I said before the group happened that I was rooting for Reynor... He said before "I want to win a GSL just to shut them up." Yeah, a lot of people want to win a GSL.
While GSL is not as competitive as it once was, top 16 in GSL is still way higher average skill than a top 16 in Europe. Top 16 players in GSL are all capable of taking bo3's of any player. So many people the past years thinking ESL tournaments somehow rival GSL it's just not the case. Europe has 4 players that belong in the top 16 in a GSL and Serral is probably the only one of those who would be a even favorite to win a GSL, but I think Serral would need several seasons before he would take a GSL, even if GSL is at it's lowest level of competitiveness it would still be tough.
On May 10 2024 03:31 Drahkn wrote: While GSL is not as competitive as it once was, top 16 in GSL is still way higher average skill than a top 16 in Europe. Top 16 players in GSL are all capable of taking bo3's of any player. So many people the past years thinking ESL tournaments somehow rival GSL it's just not the case. Europe has 4 players that belong in the top 16 in a GSL and Serral is probably the only one of those who would be a even favorite to win a GSL, but I think Serral would need several seasons before he would take a GSL, even if GSL is at it's lowest level of competitiveness it would still be tough.
I think so too, not because of skill, but because of the ype of preparation needed.
They've been honing this for a decade and a half now. The Gumiho's and SoO's. They are never true contenders for Season finals or any type of weekenders, but when it comes to GSL, they're monsters, and can tumble anyone other than Maru - who should wake up every day, kneel and thank to God that Serral wasnt born in Korea.
On May 10 2024 03:31 Drahkn wrote: While GSL is not as competitive as it once was, top 16 in GSL is still way higher average skill than a top 16 in Europe. Top 16 players in GSL are all capable of taking bo3's of any player. So many people the past years thinking ESL tournaments somehow rival GSL it's just not the case. Europe has 4 players that belong in the top 16 in a GSL and Serral is probably the only one of those who would be a even favorite to win a GSL, but I think Serral would need several seasons before he would take a GSL, even if GSL is at it's lowest level of competitiveness it would still be tough.
I think so too, not because of skill, but because of the ype of preparation needed.
They've been honing this for a decade and a half now. The Gumiho's and SoO's. They are never true contenders for Season finals or any type of weekenders, but when it comes to GSL, they're monsters, and can tumble anyone other than Maru - who should wake up every day, kneel and thank to God that Serral wasnt born in Korea.
Nah, I think he should thank that Rogue got to go to the military, imagine Rogue got G5L before him would be more devastating. If Serral was born in KR, and play in the WOL era, I do not know how far he would have gotten through all that. People just assume Serral is immediately a world-champion the moment he touch SC2 or soemthing.
On May 10 2024 03:31 Drahkn wrote: While GSL is not as competitive as it once was, top 16 in GSL is still way higher average skill than a top 16 in Europe. Top 16 players in GSL are all capable of taking bo3's of any player. So many people the past years thinking ESL tournaments somehow rival GSL it's just not the case. Europe has 4 players that belong in the top 16 in a GSL and Serral is probably the only one of those who would be a even favorite to win a GSL, but I think Serral would need several seasons before he would take a GSL, even if GSL is at it's lowest level of competitiveness it would still be tough.
I think so too, not because of skill, but because of the ype of preparation needed.
They've been honing this for a decade and a half now. The Gumiho's and SoO's. They are never true contenders for Season finals or any type of weekenders, but when it comes to GSL, they're monsters, and can tumble anyone other than Maru - who should wake up every day, kneel and thank to God that Serral wasnt born in Korea.
The idea that Maru should be grateful Serral isn't in Korea is false. Serral is in no way the main problem for Maru in terms of lack of results that would make him the definitive goat. Maru could've been like a 7-8 time world champion without changing his record vs Serral at all because in most big tournaments he simply isn't required to beat Serral to win. There's no reason to think GSL wouldn't be the same. He'd still be able to win most of his GSLs without needing to beat Serral even if Serral was in Korea.
That's also ignoring the possibility that Maru does better vs Serral in Korea than elsewhere which is a pretty big possibility to ignore considering Maru already does much better vs most other players in Korea. Most of Maru's international eliminations are at the hands of other Koreans he is usually favored against in Korea.
If anything Serral should be grateful he was born in Finland because without that he wouldn't have been able to farm region locked events and have a guaranteed qualifying slot into every major international. Serral being born in Korea would have impacted his legacy a lot more than Maru's. You immediately have to remove all his region locked events, most of his HSCs, and a sizable chunk of his other internationals from a combination of: HSC conflicts with GSL Koreans having less slots than they should in internationals, Serral isn't going to be top 6-8 in Korea every single season or every single KR qualifier, even if he is most of the time he will falter sometimes and the punishment will be much worse than in EU Jetlag (memed about but it's real, EU players have a small but real advantage at the internationals that take place in EU COVID era online events favoring EU players for start time and server switching
On May 10 2024 03:31 Drahkn wrote: While GSL is not as competitive as it once was, top 16 in GSL is still way higher average skill than a top 16 in Europe. Top 16 players in GSL are all capable of taking bo3's of any player. So many people the past years thinking ESL tournaments somehow rival GSL it's just not the case. Europe has 4 players that belong in the top 16 in a GSL and Serral is probably the only one of those who would be a even favorite to win a GSL, but I think Serral would need several seasons before he would take a GSL, even if GSL is at it's lowest level of competitiveness it would still be tough.
I think so too, not because of skill, but because of the ype of preparation needed.
They've been honing this for a decade and a half now. The Gumiho's and SoO's. They are never true contenders for Season finals or any type of weekenders, but when it comes to GSL, they're monsters, and can tumble anyone other than Maru - who should wake up every day, kneel and thank to God that Serral wasnt born in Korea.
The idea that Maru should be grateful Serral isn't in Korea is false. Serral is in no way the main problem for Maru in terms of lack of results that would make him the definitive goat. Maru could've been like a 7-8 time world champion without changing his record vs Serral at all because in most big tournaments he simply isn't required to beat Serral to win. There's no reason to think GSL wouldn't be the same. He'd still be able to win most of his GSLs without needing to beat Serral even if Serral was in Korea.
That's also ignoring the possibility that Maru does better vs Serral in Korea than elsewhere which is a pretty big possibility to ignore considering Maru already does much better vs most other players in Korea. Most of Maru's international eliminations are at the hands of other Koreans he is usually favored against in Korea.
If anything Serral should be grateful he was born in Finland because without that he wouldn't have been able to farm region locked events and have a guaranteed qualifying slot into every major international. Serral being born in Korea would have impacted his legacy a lot more than Maru's. You immediately have to remove all his region locked events, most of his HSCs, and a sizable chunk of his other internationals from a combination of: HSC conflicts with GSL Koreans having less slots than they should in internationals, Serral isn't going to be top 6-8 in Korea every single season or every single KR qualifier, even if he is most of the time he will falter sometimes and the punishment will be much worse than in EU Jetlag (memed about but it's real, EU players have a small but real advantage at the internationals that take place in EU COVID era online events favoring EU players for start time and server switching
You're seriously stating that the ONLY player in the world who has a head to head advantage against - ALL THE TOP - players in the world worries about not classifying to tournaments?
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
When i say that Maru should be thankful, im only considering that in all the premier tournaments that both of them competed at the same time, Serral won double the times Maru won, which translates to Maru probably having developed a unique form of gratitude towards no meeting the finnish in korean soil.
Dont come with region locked stuff, no one needs to consider them for acknowledging that Serral > Maru.
On May 10 2024 03:31 Drahkn wrote: While GSL is not as competitive as it once was, top 16 in GSL is still way higher average skill than a top 16 in Europe. Top 16 players in GSL are all capable of taking bo3's of any player. So many people the past years thinking ESL tournaments somehow rival GSL it's just not the case. Europe has 4 players that belong in the top 16 in a GSL and Serral is probably the only one of those who would be a even favorite to win a GSL, but I think Serral would need several seasons before he would take a GSL, even if GSL is at it's lowest level of competitiveness it would still be tough.
I think so too, not because of skill, but because of the ype of preparation needed.
They've been honing this for a decade and a half now. The Gumiho's and SoO's. They are never true contenders for Season finals or any type of weekenders, but when it comes to GSL, they're monsters, and can tumble anyone other than Maru - who should wake up every day, kneel and thank to God that Serral wasnt born in Korea.
The idea that Maru should be grateful Serral isn't in Korea is false. Serral is in no way the main problem for Maru in terms of lack of results that would make him the definitive goat. Maru could've been like a 7-8 time world champion without changing his record vs Serral at all because in most big tournaments he simply isn't required to beat Serral to win. There's no reason to think GSL wouldn't be the same. He'd still be able to win most of his GSLs without needing to beat Serral even if Serral was in Korea.
That's also ignoring the possibility that Maru does better vs Serral in Korea than elsewhere which is a pretty big possibility to ignore considering Maru already does much better vs most other players in Korea. Most of Maru's international eliminations are at the hands of other Koreans he is usually favored against in Korea.
If anything Serral should be grateful he was born in Finland because without that he wouldn't have been able to farm region locked events and have a guaranteed qualifying slot into every major international. Serral being born in Korea would have impacted his legacy a lot more than Maru's. You immediately have to remove all his region locked events, most of his HSCs, and a sizable chunk of his other internationals from a combination of: HSC conflicts with GSL Koreans having less slots than they should in internationals, Serral isn't going to be top 6-8 in Korea every single season or every single KR qualifier, even if he is most of the time he will falter sometimes and the punishment will be much worse than in EU Jetlag (memed about but it's real, EU players have a small but real advantage at the internationals that take place in EU COVID era online events favoring EU players for start time and server switching
You're seriously stating that the ONLY player in the world who has a head to head advantage against - ALL THE TOP - players in the world worries about not classifying to tournaments?
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
When i say that Maru should be thankful, im only considering that in all the premier tournaments that both of them competed at the same time, Serral won double the times Maru won, which translates to Maru probably having developed a unique form of gratitude towards no meeting the finnish in korean soil.
Dont come with region locked stuff, no one needs to consider them for acknowledging that Serral > Maru.
Even from EU he failed to make two season finals and WCG. The idea that he would qualify for everything if he was in Korea is crazy. He would still qualify for most events but would occasionally lose out before the top 6/8 or however many players the event allowed from Korea.
The thing is Maru isn't losing those events because of Serral the vast majority of the time. The fact that he is in them is mostly irrelevant. In offline matches they've only played like 4 elimination matches in their entire match history and Maru won one of them so it's really only 3 times that Serral has eliminated him from important events. Additionally in the majority of those events he could have won them without beating Serral. More often than not it was another GSL player who eliminated him. There's no reason to think GSL with Serral wouldn't go a similar way. They would very rarely meet but the majority of the time either one of them could win without playing the other.
On May 12 2024 18:06 Poopi wrote: Why are we bringing up Maru / Serral in every thread where they aren’t. I mean, sure, Reynor getting + Show Spoiler +
bopped
gives us a nice clue about the level of play in the GSL (+ Show Spoiler +
it’s higher than most tournaments despite the ridiculously low prizepool
), but there are dedicated threads for these discussions. Namely #1 goat article of Maru, or #2 () article for Serral
I dont think Reynor's run indicates anything.
He hasnt been a real contender for some time.
Even though we know he CAN have the highest spikes in performance.
On May 12 2024 18:06 Poopi wrote: Why are we bringing up Maru / Serral in every thread where they aren’t. I mean, sure, Reynor getting + Show Spoiler +
bopped
gives us a nice clue about the level of play in the GSL (+ Show Spoiler +
it’s higher than most tournaments despite the ridiculously low prizepool
), but there are dedicated threads for these discussions. Namely #1 goat article of Maru, or #2 () article for Serral
I dont think Reynor's run indicates anything.
He hasnt been a real contender for some time.
Even though we know he CAN have the highest spikes in performance.
Point 1: - low PING / LAN allows for discrepancies in players skill to shine.
Then if that particular run doesn't indicate anything, maybe his previous run, when he was in peak form but couldn't defeat Bunny, is indicative?
It's the same pattern: in Korea, you have the "best" ping in the world. In Europe, even with top quality fiber, you get around 20ms (on sc2 interface, idk about real ping) ping. In Korea, afaik it's sub 10ms, which makes a big difference in terms of possibility. To put it simple, the higher the ping, the less the difference in skill / skill gap between players matters, since the possibilities in terms of gameplay (micro / macro etc.) are limited. On the other hand, the lower the ping is compared to true LAN, the more you can do with your units / buildings etc. That's why you can see INSANELY sharp 2base all-ins from terrans (and probably from protoss as well but I watched a bit less PvX) in the GSL, namely the ones that beat Reynor in his previous GSL run (see the Bunny series).
When you watch Cure play in European qualifiers with insanely high ping from Korea, he is very limited in terms of gameplay, so he adjusts his strategies to suit that.
Point 2: - being able to "DOWNLOAD" your opponent matters at the top level in every esport.
Jet lag / living in a foreign country etc matter, but imo those are small points that can be "countered" by the players rather easily (for KR players travelling to EU, or EU players travelling to KR, with melatonin, coming in early, etc.) so that's not why the level of play is higher in the GSL and why Reynor didn't manage to perform well recently.
Imho, on top of point 1, why Reynor performed poorly (compared to the expectations) in his last two runs of GSL is the same reason he performed VERY WELL (compared to the expectations) in his first actual GSL run. The infamous "downloading" other players. KR players can practice with each other and more importantly talk to each other very easily, that's why we get the intel from Mizenhauer that GuMiho knew "all" he had to do vs Reynor was to play "weird" / non standard. Because the collective intelligence of players in KR atm was enough (or GuMiho's own practice, whatever) for most players in the GSL to have a feel for how to counter Reynor. That's also probably why herO first picked Reynor, not just because of his "form", but because herO had a good idea on how to play versus Reynor in this period of time.
On the other hand, when Reynor first got to play in the GSL, most KR players probably had no clue who this guy was or how to play against him. That's what allowed him to perform as well. Sure, he was skilled / in form or whatever, but he also was in top shape in his previous run. The main difference (on top of point 1 / ping) was the knowledge of the opponent.
Conclusion: - why Reynor's runs in the GSL give us a nice idea about Code S level of play.
As to why those two points make Code S one of the most difficult tournaments, it's rather understandable: top 16 players in the world are mainly Koreans, while EU+NA+CN have 4-5 players max in this top 16. Having the best collective force of players + insanely low ping allowing skill gap to matter, gives you one of the highest level of play.
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
I think that's your memory playing tricks on you. It's not a completely accurate statement.
In H2Hs where race balance is taken out of the picture: - Dark beat Serral 4:0 in '20 and between '20-'22, a H2H between the two is not Serral favored. - Similarly between '20-'21, Rogue was heavily favored in H2H against Serral. - In contrast, no Terran ever beat Maru 4:0.
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
I think that's your memory playing tricks on you. It's not a completely accurate statement.
In H2Hs where race balance is taken out of the picture: - Dark beat Serral 4:0 in '20 and between '20-'22, a H2H between the two is not Serral favored. - Similarly between '20-'21, Rogue was heavily favored in H2H against Serral. - In contrast, no Terran ever beat Maru 4:0.
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
I think that's your memory playing tricks on you. It's not a completely accurate statement.
In H2Hs where race balance is taken out of the picture: - Dark beat Serral 4:0 in '20 and between '20-'22, a H2H between the two is not Serral favored. - Similarly between '20-'21, Rogue was heavily favored in H2H against Serral. - In contrast, no Terran ever beat Maru 4:0.
That’s expected though, Maru is the fourth race while Serral is « merely » the best Zerg in the world. Maru would probably be best protoss / Zerg in the world if he fancied playing those races seriously
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
I think that's your memory playing tricks on you. It's not a completely accurate statement.
In H2Hs where race balance is taken out of the picture: - Dark beat Serral 4:0 in '20 and between '20-'22, a H2H between the two is not Serral favored. - Similarly between '20-'21, Rogue was heavily favored in H2H against Serral. - In contrast, no Terran ever beat Maru 4:0.
Congratulations, you mastered cherry picking
If someone is making a blanket statement, I only have to give one example to refute it and sure, that one example will be cherry picked. That's just how basic logic works but it looks like many people don't even know that.
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
I think that's your memory playing tricks on you. It's not a completely accurate statement.
In H2Hs where race balance is taken out of the picture: - Dark beat Serral 4:0 in '20 and between '20-'22, a H2H between the two is not Serral favored. - Similarly between '20-'21, Rogue was heavily favored in H2H against Serral. - In contrast, no Terran ever beat Maru 4:0.
Congratulations, you mastered cherry picking
If someone is making a blanket statement, I only have to give one example to refute it and sure, that one example will be cherry picked. That's just how basic logic works but it looks like many people don't even know that.
The guy said "Serral has a winning record against every korean."
You said "well actually if I narrow the time-frame down to these specific time-frames he doesn't."
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
I think that's your memory playing tricks on you. It's not a completely accurate statement.
In H2Hs where race balance is taken out of the picture: - Dark beat Serral 4:0 in '20 and between '20-'22, a H2H between the two is not Serral favored. - Similarly between '20-'21, Rogue was heavily favored in H2H against Serral. - In contrast, no Terran ever beat Maru 4:0.
Congratulations, you mastered cherry picking
If someone is making a blanket statement, I only have to give one example to refute it and sure, that one example will be cherry picked. That's just how basic logic works but it looks like many people don't even know that.
The guy said "Serral has a winning record against every korean."
You said "well actually if I narrow the time-frame down to these specific time-frames he doesn't."
That's not responsive to the original statement.
His statement was "Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years."
I showed periods of time within 6 years when that's not true.
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
I think that's your memory playing tricks on you. It's not a completely accurate statement.
In H2Hs where race balance is taken out of the picture: - Dark beat Serral 4:0 in '20 and between '20-'22, a H2H between the two is not Serral favored. - Similarly between '20-'21, Rogue was heavily favored in H2H against Serral. - In contrast, no Terran ever beat Maru 4:0.
Congratulations, you mastered cherry picking
If someone is making a blanket statement, I only have to give one example to refute it and sure, that one example will be cherry picked. That's just how basic logic works but it looks like many people don't even know that.
The guy said "Serral has a winning record against every korean."
You said "well actually if I narrow the time-frame down to these specific time-frames he doesn't."
That's not responsive to the original statement.
His statement was "Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years."
I showed periods of time within 6 years when that's not true.
Those two statements don't directly contradict each other though: First statement: The timeframe:6 years the statement was "in this timeframe Serral does better (than anyone else?) against any korean player"
Your statement: your timeframe: A rainy night with a fullmoon and a yellow cab was driving by the statement: he (serral) does not because he lost a game in that timeframe
Serral stans unite to support Reynor in this tough time of defeat We Maru fans have more difficult times because our guy sometimes lose On the other hand Serral fans only sweat in mirror match-ups when it's balanced game
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
I think that's your memory playing tricks on you. It's not a completely accurate statement.
In H2Hs where race balance is taken out of the picture: - Dark beat Serral 4:0 in '20 and between '20-'22, a H2H between the two is not Serral favored. - Similarly between '20-'21, Rogue was heavily favored in H2H against Serral. - In contrast, no Terran ever beat Maru 4:0.
Congratulations, you mastered cherry picking
If someone is making a blanket statement, I only have to give one example to refute it and sure, that one example will be cherry picked. That's just how basic logic works but it looks like many people don't even know that.
The guy said "Serral has a winning record against every korean."
You said "well actually if I narrow the time-frame down to these specific time-frames he doesn't."
That's not responsive to the original statement.
His statement was "Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years."
I showed periods of time within 6 years when that's not true.
Those two statements don't directly contradict each other though: First statement: The timeframe:6 years the statement was "in this timeframe Serral does better (than anyone else?) against any korean player"
Your statement: your timeframe: A rainy night with a fullmoon and a yellow cab was driving by the statement: he (serral) does not because he lost a game in that timeframe
I have no idea what you're saying. My examples span across 1~2 years with Serral suffering several one-sided losses. It was hardly a case of him "losing a game on a rainy night".
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
I think that's your memory playing tricks on you. It's not a completely accurate statement.
In H2Hs where race balance is taken out of the picture: - Dark beat Serral 4:0 in '20 and between '20-'22, a H2H between the two is not Serral favored. - Similarly between '20-'21, Rogue was heavily favored in H2H against Serral. - In contrast, no Terran ever beat Maru 4:0.
Congratulations, you mastered cherry picking
If someone is making a blanket statement, I only have to give one example to refute it and sure, that one example will be cherry picked. That's just how basic logic works but it looks like many people don't even know that.
The guy said "Serral has a winning record against every korean."
You said "well actually if I narrow the time-frame down to these specific time-frames he doesn't."
That's not responsive to the original statement.
His statement was "Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years."
I showed periods of time within 6 years when that's not true.
Those two statements don't directly contradict each other though: First statement: The timeframe:6 years the statement was "in this timeframe Serral does better (than anyone else?) against any korean player"
Your statement: your timeframe: A rainy night with a fullmoon and a yellow cab was driving by the statement: he (serral) does not because he lost a game in that timeframe
I have no idea what you're saying. My examples span across 1~2 years with Serral suffering several one-sided losses. It was hardly a case of him "losing a game on a rainy night".
Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years. And since he doesnt play weeklies, it means that those statistics are from offline premier events.
I think that's your memory playing tricks on you. It's not a completely accurate statement.
In H2Hs where race balance is taken out of the picture: - Dark beat Serral 4:0 in '20 and between '20-'22, a H2H between the two is not Serral favored. - Similarly between '20-'21, Rogue was heavily favored in H2H against Serral. - In contrast, no Terran ever beat Maru 4:0.
Congratulations, you mastered cherry picking
If someone is making a blanket statement, I only have to give one example to refute it and sure, that one example will be cherry picked. That's just how basic logic works but it looks like many people don't even know that.
The guy said "Serral has a winning record against every korean."
You said "well actually if I narrow the time-frame down to these specific time-frames he doesn't."
That's not responsive to the original statement.
His statement was "Serral does better against any korean player that has touched the game in the last 6 years."
I showed periods of time within 6 years when that's not true.
Great, you guys can agree. It seems like you just misinterpreted his sentence. He's saying that anyone whose played in the last six years, Serral has a winning record against him. He's not saying throughout those six years Serral has maintained a winning record at all periods of time.
Oh man....i'm a long time and big Reynor Fan but the last two attempts at the GSL and his performance since last summer after the Gamers8 is such a disappointment. He should stop talking about winning the whole GSL right at the beginning...first of all win one single match "budget Serral" (imo no good idea to bring this Joke with such again disappointment performance).
Really hope he will get back to his real form, soon!
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Great writeup, excited for the games!! I'm thinking Reynor is gonna bomb out in last place, but I'd be very happy to be wrong!
