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On May 31 2012 21:13 Eishi_Ki wrote: I also noted you agreed with Sciberbia (or at least acknowledged his line of thought) on the issue of policy but still did not sway your recommendation. Show nested quote +Your reasoning makes sense, sciberbia, it also allows to choose a lynch with more information available, however returning less information in the beginning.
I would still go for the lynch. At least to get rid of pesky lurkers and inactives, in case there's noone stinking of scum already. Just observations
Forgot to add this between last quotation and last statement, which doesn't concern heist, but still Eishi_Ki.
Also, I wouldn't call this a duel. Eishi_ki expressed his opinion in light of two other posts against me, however with a selective argument he used to blend in.
I don't accuse everyone who accuses me without proper reasons, by that logic i would have accused others before Eishi_Ki.
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My two current reads are one Cattivik and Unforgiven_ve.
I find Cattivik's voting on Eishi_ki misguided. I think Eishi_ki's posts are, while limited, atleast adding to the discussion. Cattivik gives me the impression of someone who is trying to post a lot without saying much and is squirming under bit of pressure and trying to bandwagon.
If you read his filter you will see a broad range of players name in his posts, however rather than posting any solid analysis on ANYTHING he is recounting what they have said. I can read all the posts mate. he the proceeds to attack Eishi_ki on some fairly shaky reasoning.
As s0lstice pointed out, Unforgiven_ve has contradicted himself. I like s0lstices case on him and will back it.
Today my 4 lynch candidates are: Cattivik, Unforgiven, Superouman and Ange777.
The second 2 are for lurking. And i f**king hate lurkers after that last game.
xo
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 21:57 Cattivik wrote:Regarding Superouman: + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 21:05 Superouman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 20:20 Cattivik wrote:
Superouman: Stop making fun of a tragedy and sleeping all day, but more especially, stop lurking. I'll vote for you too when the time is ripe.
I am totally not making fun of anything here, i'm just ready to kick some mafia butt. And considering your lynch logic, what if all the mafia already talked, you would just kill townies and make mafia's life easier. I wasn't all that serious about the marked part, just a bit of roleplay  Back to the topic: By my lynch logic I want to hear something useful from the lurkers. Since you don't know what to say, you're still a lurker. No target set, no analysis. If you look at the posts, who would you want to lynch? If all the mafia already talked, we might lose townies who don't know what to say or assert. An acceptable loss in light of the information retrieved. No offense. On May 31 2012 21:13 Eishi_Ki wrote:What would you like to know about my thought processes? I can't tell you how my brains works, only that I analyse details at face value and then have a lot of time to think about them further. I noted initially that you were trying to sell that you were a Townie without saying so outright. Oh, you can tell me what you thought. This argument of yours makes you appear even more scummy. Why? It's selective! Did you read Heists' post?It's even more recent than mine, he uses the collective form more times than me, yet you say i'm suspicious. Either you were sloppy, or you are scum trying to let me look suspicious, in latter case: Does that mean I was on the right track?Or that Heist is scum aswell? Before going on, I'll quote Heist: On May 31 2012 09:34 heist wrote:
Sciberbia, you wanted our opinion on the matter of a NL Day 1.... I strongly,strongly disagree with a NL.
The issue isn't with the unknown setup. It doesn't matter. No matter what the setup is, we should always go through with a Day 1 lynch. The flaw with your logic is that the lynches are not pure probability. We are not condemning some poor soul to death from a name in a hat. It is based on people's reactions to pressure, contradictions, activity level, and other information generated by discussion. When someone dies, most of us should be feeling comfortable with it. If anything, the purpose of a Day 1 lynch is not some slim chance of lynching mafia, but for information. Information we can use to lead the course of Day 2 and onward.
In your scenario, every lynch is an isolated incident. The lynches of each day are not independent. The outcome of a Day 1 lynch WILL affect the outcome of the Day 2 lynch, and only for the better because of all us will have a clearer picture of the situation.
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In other news: I wanted to suggest a few things to town that you may or may not find useful:
1. DO NOT claim you are a vanilla townie. We won't believe you AND you should be glad to die in place of a blue. We don't want to limit the pool of possible blues.
2. Attention DT (if we have one) - Let's say you get a lucky check on scum. Do not reveal yourself day 2. Do not come screaming into the thread with your pants still at your feet. You are not guaranteed a medic. Breadcrumb your result. Look at their behavior and create an accusation. Anything is better than a reveal.
3. This is a newbie game. Most people don't know what to do as a blue role. Pretend you don't have it. Seriously, most people with a blue role are afraid to stick their head out and, as a result, are often mistaken for scum. We don't want to hang you so please don't give us a reason. Be active.
4. Try not to bandwagon with a simple "I agree with ___". We want to limit our lynch candidates. The voting patterns of Day 1 may end up leading us to an excellent mafia candidate day 3 or later. If we have people voting all over the place, the usefulness of the day 1 lynch becomes diluted. That's not say don't be aggressive. Don't be afraid to poke the bear right in the eye if you feel good about an accusation.
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@Cattivik
"Sciberbia is the most active poster so far, also he's not promoting a NL, he's questioning day1 lynch.
Whatever, I'm pretty sure he's clean, no mafia would go for the first post in a newbie game."
That defense is borderline scummy. There is nothing that mafia won't do. Do not assume he's clean because he's the first post in a newbie game. Obviously this is only your first impression, but your reasoning is a little off here.
Yes, i never supported a NL, but aknocwledged sciberbias point I suggest that you keep the discussion to yourself, you talk a lot about me, not about the accusations towards you. If you admit you are scum now, you may choose the way you get lynched, Eishi_Ki, like being drowned in single malt whisky to have a last taste of your country. I'll keep the vote locked in.
What exactly are you accusing me of which I should be rebutting? Posting my thoughts which, you may note, were not solely about you? Or of not being available at 4-7am? I'm not sure exactly what I was voted for. You called me out on my thoughts and I justified them. You are inflating what I said into a full blown accusation on my part which I don't really think is necessary.
Maybe I am Mafia. Maybe I'm not. Opinion has no bearing on the truth and I can honestly say; I'm not one of the ones you are looking for. All there is to say about this really.
Anyway, onto others.
Suki has so far been very vague so far and has not committed to any camp. He also hasn't posted in a while so I'd like to hear his stances on the last page or so of updates.
Finally, Xatalos. You have been judging many people's posts so far and accusing them of not being committed enough, threatening them if they don't improve their posts or praising them for doing a good job, all the while not actually contributing very much yourself. Any reason ser? What are your thoughts on people outside of the quality of their posts?
And Superouman, I liked the RP for what it's worth, but let's try and keep the spam to a minimum
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EBWOP: My two current SCUM reads, rather.
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@Eishi_ki: Consider if Xatalos is scum. This is opinion on Cattivik, who i think is scum.
"Another player I noticed was Cattivik. So far he has been analyzing the game, posting reads, calling out lurkers - all in all, playing for town's win condition. I didn't like him giving sciberbia a free pass just because he was the "first to post", but disregarding that, his filter looks good."
Food for thought.
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I have been out all day and will only be back later. I'll catch up with the thread then!
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 17:31 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 13:46 Unforgiven_ve wrote:Try not to bandwagon with a simple "I agree with ___". We want to limit our lynch candidates. The voting patterns of Day 1 may end up leading us to an excellent mafia candidate day 3 or later. If we have people voting all over the place, the usefulness of the day 1 lynch becomes diluted. That's not say don't be aggressive. Don't be afraid to poke the bear right in the eye if you feel good about an accusation. Sorry, i missed this, im REALLY against bandwagons, specially at the last hours of the day, i think on day 1 we dont have much information to work on, but we need to have our eyes open for a mafia slip, yes, lets pressure people, if they evade/lurk/start attacking other people whitout a real reason, then thats our day 1 candidate. Also, i like to save my vote to the last hours of the day, mafia is always much more active at day last hours just to see if they can change the decision or who is going to die. If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest. Something feels off about Unforgiven_ve. His contributions so far are "safe" generalities to say about the game. In addition, he wants to move the spotlight away from himself by asking for a town leader to easily sheep, and then he even says that he won't vote until the last hours (when it's extremely easy to bandwagon and blend in as Mafia). As things stand, I'm ready to go for a Unforgiven_ve lynch. However, I want to see your response first, Unforgiven_ve. You better impress with your next post or your filter looks really bad already.
Sorry, i wont play to "impress" you or anyone, i play for town benefit.
1) What "contributions"? what filter are you talking about? I just posted one time after the day started, of course is "safe", its one post about generalitys and how i think the game shoud be played.
2) Town should discuss everything, i agree on that, but in a newbie game we need to have some kind of structure (same as normal games i think)...im not saying we should vote or choose a leader, i ment, if someone wants to take that spot, take in account all i said in that post
If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest
3) If you really read and interpret my post, you'd find this especially those lurkers who goes super active the last hours of the day, we have to keep an eye on them
+ Show Spoiler +he even says that he won't vote until the last hours (when it's extremely easy to bandwagon and blend in as Mafia)
At day 1 (at least for me) we have to use timing and votting patterns to our gaing, when you just throw a bunch of FoS and Votes in every post you do you are actually helping the mafia, just making townies reasoning harder whit every post you do.
I agree we have to pressure people and make them talk, but we have to do this whitout being PARANOICS, again, this just helps mafia. Raise your case, make a couple post pointing out what you belive about someones filter, keep your FoS to yourself AT LEAST FOR THE BEGGINING OF THE DAY.
(i see it coming) Dont interpret this as some kind of "HEY GUYZ HE'S JUST TRIYING TO MAKE US PASSIVE AND DONT DISCUSSS LETS LYNCH HIM LOLZ I LOVE LOLCATZ"...im saying Play it smart, lets take safe steps every vote counts, every FoS counts, every post someone makes about finding something suspicious SHOULD count.
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On May 31 2012 22:37 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Finally, Xatalos. You have been judging many people's posts so far and accusing them of not being committed enough, threatening them if they don't improve their posts or praising them for doing a good job, all the while not actually contributing very much yourself. Any reason ser? What are your thoughts on people outside of the quality of their posts?
It's better to force the lurking and wishy-washy players to take some stances before starting a major lynch effort. My biggest mistake in the previous game was to start pushing a lynch right at the start, while the actual Mafia just coasted by and lurked in peace. An active and transparent player like sciberbia is less likely to be Mafia than someone who doesn't post any content.
On May 31 2012 22:40 O.Golden_ne wrote:
@Eishi_ki: Consider if Xatalos is scum. This is opinion on Cattivik, who i think is scum.
"Another player I noticed was Cattivik. So far he has been analyzing the game, posting reads, calling out lurkers - all in all, playing for town's win condition. I didn't like him giving sciberbia a free pass just because he was the "first to post", but disregarding that, his filter looks good."
Food for thought.
Be careful of connection play. It can lead to many bad judgement calls and trap you in a bad line of thought. The right time to make connections is after someone flips Mafia, not after you think someone might flip Mafia.
If I had to vote right now, I'd vote for Unforgiven_ve. He seems like the one most likely to flip Mafia (as I already detailed). It's hard to make sense of what Superouman is posting, but unless he starts doing something townie at last, he's also pretty high up there. Ange777 hasn't done anything for the discussion either.
My initial impression of Cattivik was town, and it hasn't still changed. The bandwagon against him feels out of place, considering there are several undoubtedly more suspicious players than him out there. Look at the filters of Unforgiven_ve, Superouman, Ange777 and Cattivik and tell me why Cattivik should be our lynch for today. I'm pretty sure at least one of the other three are Mafia, and that there is at least one Mafia among the Cattivik bandwagon.
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For the first day, i think we should lynch one of the lurkers. They maybe think if they do nothing, they will pass under the radar. Or if they are townies, well... they should just have said something to be less suspect
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On May 31 2012 23:25 Xatalos wrote:t's hard to make sense of what Superouman is posting, but unless he starts doing something townie at last, he's also pretty high up there.
I try to figure out how to play the game right now, i just understand the rules for now
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On May 31 2012 23:17 Unforgiven_ve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 17:31 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 13:46 Unforgiven_ve wrote:Try not to bandwagon with a simple "I agree with ___". We want to limit our lynch candidates. The voting patterns of Day 1 may end up leading us to an excellent mafia candidate day 3 or later. If we have people voting all over the place, the usefulness of the day 1 lynch becomes diluted. That's not say don't be aggressive. Don't be afraid to poke the bear right in the eye if you feel good about an accusation. Sorry, i missed this, im REALLY against bandwagons, specially at the last hours of the day, i think on day 1 we dont have much information to work on, but we need to have our eyes open for a mafia slip, yes, lets pressure people, if they evade/lurk/start attacking other people whitout a real reason, then thats our day 1 candidate. Also, i like to save my vote to the last hours of the day, mafia is always much more active at day last hours just to see if they can change the decision or who is going to die. If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest. Something feels off about Unforgiven_ve. His contributions so far are "safe" generalities to say about the game. In addition, he wants to move the spotlight away from himself by asking for a town leader to easily sheep, and then he even says that he won't vote until the last hours (when it's extremely easy to bandwagon and blend in as Mafia). As things stand, I'm ready to go for a Unforgiven_ve lynch. However, I want to see your response first, Unforgiven_ve. You better impress with your next post or your filter looks really bad already. Sorry, i wont play to "impress" you or anyone, i play for town benefit. 1) What "contributions"? what filter are you talking about? I just posted one time after the day started, of course is "safe", its one post about generalitys and how i think the game shoud be played. 2) Town should discuss everything, i agree on that, but in a newbie game we need to have some kind of structure (same as normal games i think)...im not saying we should vote or choose a leader, i ment, if someone wants to take that spot, take in account all i said in that post Show nested quote +If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest 3) If you really read and interpret my post, you'd find this Show nested quote +especially those lurkers who goes super active the last hours of the day, we have to keep an eye on them + Show Spoiler +he even says that he won't vote until the last hours (when it's extremely easy to bandwagon and blend in as Mafia) At day 1 (at least for me) we have to use timing and votting patterns to our gaing, when you just throw a bunch of FoS and Votes in every post you do you are actually helping the mafia, just making townies reasoning harder whit every post you do. I agree we have to pressure people and make them talk, but we have to do this whitout being PARANOICS, again, this just helps mafia. Raise your case, make a couple post pointing out what you belive about someones filter, keep your FoS to yourself AT LEAST FOR THE BEGGINING OF THE DAY. (i see it coming) Dont interpret this as some kind of "HEY GUYZ HE'S JUST TRIYING TO MAKE US PASSIVE AND DONT DISCUSSS LETS LYNCH HIM LOLZ I LOVE LOLCATZ"...im saying Play it smart, lets take safe steps every vote counts, every FoS counts, every post someone makes about finding something suspicious SHOULD count.
Finally you posted something, but it's not what I was hoping for from a town Unforgiven_ve. More like what I expected from a Mafia Unforgiven_ve.
Your post reeks of anger and fear, not something town should be feeling in your situation. You even admit you're looking really bad right now: "(i see it coming)". Why not do something to change your situation then? Why continue being useless, angry and antagonizing?
This response convinced me. It's time to get the ball rolling.
##Vote Unforgiven_ve
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Hello everyone. I just woke up so I apologize for the lack of posts on my part. I went through what happened in the thread after I left off last night, so let me post some observations...
MiltonKram
On May 31 2012 16:13 Miltonkram wrote:
Since you have pointed out the flaws in my logic... and math, I will hereby
##UnVote: sciberbia
Apologies.
First, the ability to change your vote kind of lessens the importance of Milton's extremely fast voting, and sort of discounts a lot of my initial suspicions of him, but his response to criticism is... lackluster at best. I find it interesting that after making such a big action early on, he's content to simply apologize, meekly acknowledge that sciberbia's math was right and recede his vote...
On May 31 2012 19:11 Miltonkram wrote:
I'm still suspicious of sciberbia, just like I'm suspicious of everyone else in this game...
And yet he still sits on the fence about sciberbia, and 'everyone else'. Just like s0lstice, I find it suspicious that he's so aggressive without conviction. Only after prodding (5 hours after he receded his vote), does he start sharing his thoughts about other players, and even then he only targets three, two for being lurkers and one for a glaring contradiction. He fails to make any committing calls for action.
Finally, although I suspect that his apology was directed to everyone, he did not respond to my question, when my entire first post was directed towards asking him his motivations in voting (the fact that he didn't respond to me is suspicious to me regardless of how valid my points actually were).
Miltonkram, I'm keeping my eye on you.
Eishi_Ki
On May 31 2012 13:18 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Anyway, so far what I've got is that Cattivik seems the most likely candidate for scum (overuses collectives such as 'us' and 'we') and doesn't provide any evidence for initially supporting Scib and then saying he wants to LD1 anyway.
However, I'm also cautious of Milton. Sciberbia seems like the obvious guy who is going against the grain here and I feel that was jumped on at the first available opportunity. Promoting Townies to be active for more information helps everyone, not just the Townies but his post was tendered towards the Townies which I feel may be a guise.
Needz moar infos
Eishi_Ki seems bandwagon-y in his first post. By the time he posts, Cattivik already has heist and golden posting their suspicions on him. He then calls out Milton for targetting sciberbia for... going against the grain? It doesn't seem to contribute anything.
The rest of his posts are defending himself, and then he calls out me, Xatalos and Super. His insight on Xatalos is interesting... but I feel like Xatalos has been contributing his thoughts quite a bit in the thread and calling out people for scummy behaviour.
In any case, I don't think Eishi is scum, but he hasn't contributed that much to the thread as of yet.
Unforgiven
Unforgiven seems to be the hot topic of the day, for his inconsistencies. I agree that he seems really suspicious. He also hasn't even accused anyone yet, much less contributed anything other than generalities and apologize for his english.
Really scummy. For the sake of brevity, I'll keep this short, but I'm willing to expand on my thoughts on Unforgiven if asked.
##Vote Unforgiven_ve
It may change later but for now I feel he is the most suspicious one in the game.
I'd also be up for a lurker vote on day 1.. From reading everyone's opinions it seems lurkers can be really dangerous. In which case, I'll call out Ange777 and superouman.
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EBWOP: By 'it may change later' I mean my vote may change, not my read on unforgiven.
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'Cause i dont have to change anything, there's not a "situation" its just you triying to take that "leader" spot im talking about.
I guess "reek" means "full of" or something like that, not what im triying to project i guess.
The only thing i feel is a overeager feeling from you to start a bandwagon, seeing as we still have one whole day left i see this unnecessary.
also, i see you are not a pretty good reader, im not saying im looking bad, im saying people (like you) will try to decontextualize everything someones post.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 20:20 Cattivik wrote:
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Miltonkram has finally understood the point sciberbia was trying to make
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Also, there is one more tell for him being actually town: It's unlikely that such a mistake would happen to three mafia at the same time, who without doubt know each others' posts before they are out. In fact, posting in blue font confirms him as townie. Aswell as the fact that it would require a pretty solid plan for mafia to start with the first post, I don't see anything unfolding here though
Obviously I took him into defense cause I don't want the most active posters to die first cause they have the balls to expose their neck to easy triggers who do all the work for the mafia by doing so.
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You confused something, first I said i want to LD1, then i defended sciberbia.
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I'll wait to see how he reacts to his arguments' dismissal now that sciberbia should be a confirmed townie.
If I was scum, I'd know about his status and wouldn't have taken him into defense against a majority.
Cattivik's entire defence of his innocence in the initial stages of the game seems to revolve around him either knowing or not knowing whether sciberbia is a townie.
He also throws out a vote for Eishi, because he claims Eishi says he has 'a reason to keep lurking.' I didn't see anything of this sort in Eishi's posts. The only thing close is the very reasonable statement that he lives in Korea so his schedule is different from everyone else. It feels like his vote is purely a defensive reaction to Eishi calling him out.
Add Cattivik to my scum list.+ Show Spoiler +
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So I first wanted to address your response Cattivik.
On May 31 2012 20:20 Cattivik wrote:I'll answer to some of the accusations towards me here, also revealing more important information: + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 11:47 O.Golden_ne wrote:
@Cattivik
Your posting reads so early, with not alot of actual content to date. Early days yet, though remember i'm watching you.
Miltonkram what a great post before work. I agree with all points you've said and want anyone who want's to discuss policy to just read that post. I slightly agree with your position on sciberbia as he is promoting policy discussion about no-lynch, however i agree that mafia first post is improbable. My main suspicion lies with Cattivik, though once sciberbia posts some responses to your accusation i will consider a vote on him.
##FOS: Cattivik Miltonkram has finally understood the point sciberbia was trying to make, you also agree on my point about him most likely not being mafia due to first post. His post has generated most discussion so far. Probably more than by just voting for someone based on a gut feeling. From the start of the game the majority, including me, was for D1 lynching, making sciberbias post obsolete cause we won't be discussing policy anyway.It is clear that someone will hang at the end of the day. On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote:Let's have a look at Cattivik. Show nested quote +Your reasoning makes sense, sciberbia, it also allows to choose a lynch with more information available, however returning less information in the beginning.
I would still go for the lynch. At least to get rid of pesky lurkers and inactives, in case there's noone stinking of scum already. Look at this beginning statement. He agrees with Sciberbia's plan, but decides to support the complete opposite? CONTRADICTION. To me, this looks like he's going with the popular opinion (afraid to rock the boat) while simultaneously seeming to offer him support and defense. Either you agree or you don't. I never agreed to a plan: On May 31 2012 07:48 Cattivik wrote:
Giovanni Falcone reporting in.
Pro lynch, any information better than no information.
Also, Sciberbia, the blue font is reserved for the mods.
Let's see who's active, i also remember a guy announcing exams, anyone silent will hang from the towns' tree. On May 31 2012 07:58 Cattivik wrote:
Sounds like he thought that a medic setup could save a townie from being lynched, but what for?
As far as i know the alignment isn't revealed unless the target dies, in this case it won't. But I was able to understand his logic concerning the difference between D1L/NL once he explained it. Also, there is one more tell for him being actually town: It's unlikely that such a mistake would happen to three mafia at the same time, who without doubt know each others' posts before they are out. In fact, posting in blue font confirms him as townie. Aswell as the fact that it would require a pretty solid plan for mafia to start with the first post, I don't see anything unfolding here thoughObviously I took him into defense cause I don't want the most active posters to die first cause they have the balls to expose their neck to easy triggers who do all the work for the mafia by doing so. First and foremost, the lurkers and cautious ones have to get votes, else they can just keep lurking. On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote:
He seems to really trust Sciberbia based solely on his activity and the notion that "first post can't be mafia" (I mentioned this before). His further reasoning: "Sciberbia is not promoting a NL, he's questioning a day 1 lynch". No. Sciberbia is definitely promoting a NL. It's been obvious since his reasoning. He attempts to remove heat from Sciberbia, over promoting his townie-ness and attacking others who place suspicion on him. He tries to deflect all opposition from Sciberbia, which at this point, is frankly strange. (look at his analysis on Solstice and Miltonkram).
He goes out of his way to defend him and his plan while being careful not stick his neck out by staying with the town majority.
Based on the response to the previous quotes, I'm not just 'with' the majority, I've been part of it from the start of this game (for a D1 lynch before even knowing what sciberbias reasoning was). And it's in the best interest of the town to keep productive townies alive, sciberbia among them. I also don't like all this fingerpointing between active townies, if there are mafia still lurking, they can lean back. On May 31 2012 13:18 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Sorry for delaying, I was washing the blood off me knife. Skinning a pig can be tiring work....
Anyway, so far what I've got is that Cattivik seems the most likely candidate for scum (overuses collectives such as 'us' and 'we') and doesn't provide any evidence for initially supporting Scib and then saying he wants to LD1 anyway.
However, I'm also cautious of Milton. Sciberbia seems like the obvious guy who is going against the grain here and I feel that was jumped on at the first available opportunity. Promoting Townies to be active for more information helps everyone, not just the Townies but his post was tendered towards the Townies which I feel may be a guise.
Needz moar infos You confused something, first I said i want to LD1, then i defended sciberbia. I've never even considered a NL in this game, but I don't claim that it doesn't make sense in any situation. In summary, the controversy about the policy talk seems to be dead to me. There is gonna be a D1 lynch. This is also a tl;dr version of the post for people who trust me anyway. Here, my updated statements regarding some of the players posting so far: Heist: I'll wait to see how he reacts to his arguments' dismissal now that sciberbia should be a confirmed townie. If I was scum, I'd know about his status and wouldn't have taken him into defense against a majority. However, given that i suspect others more for their passivity, I dont think that Heist is scum. Ange777: Stop lurking. I'll vote for you. Superouman: Stop making fun of a tragedy and sleeping all day, but more especially, stop lurking. I'll vote for you too when the time is ripe. Eishi_Ki: Pretty poor arguments to accuse me, but blends in well with the opinions of the former posts.You also say you have a reason to keep lurking. A win/win situation for mafia. You also suspect those who are most active here. Then there's this: Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 14:04 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Yeah just a note on my activity times, I live in Korea so 7am KST actually 7am (whodathunk) and I gotta work, so activity time before the deadline will be minimal I'm afraid (or maybe it's a good thing, hmm) Dude, what. How is it a good thing? You are basically saying that you won't contribute much to the scumhunt while the scumjuice flows out of your every pore. I don't even want to go on with other players cause I think you should start telling us more about your thought processes: ##VOTE :Eishi_Ki
I'll try to break it down.
Sciberbia is NOT a confirmed townie. I think that's what the rest of us has a hard time seeing. Your faith in him is just ridiculously high at this point that it's creating a lot of suspicion. You keep using these short justifying statements such as "he posted first, he can't be mafia" "he accidentally used blue font, he can't be mafia" that in all honesty don't say anything at all about alignment. Just because someone mistakenly uses blue font, you cannot confirm them as town.
Sciberbia doesn't even need to be mafia. You can be scum, trying to win over a fellow townie by being the only one coming to his defense.
And the one time you branch out of Sciberbia defense, you hastily vote to lynch someone that is accusing you. Your subsequent attack on eishi seems really out of place and reactionary. I'm just not seeing how after all this he's the one you think is most scummy.
Sciberbia I would really like your opinion on Cattivik. Go through his filter, almost every single one of his posts is him defending you. Naturally I'm still quite suspicious.
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On June 01 2012 00:45 heist wrote:
Sciberbia is NOT a confirmed townie.
This, i don't understand why he could be a "confirmed" townie, even the most townie-looking person can be toying with us
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Eishi_Ki seems bandwagon-y in his first post. By the time he posts, Cattivik already has heist and golden posting their suspicions on him. He then calls out Milton for targetting sciberbia for... going against the grain? It doesn't seem to contribute anything.
The rest of his posts are defending himself, and then he calls out me, Xatalos and Super. His insight on Xatalos is interesting... but I feel like Xatalos has been contributing his thoughts quite a bit in the thread and calling out people for scummy behaviour.
In any case, I don't think Eishi is scum, but he hasn't contributed that much to the thread as of yet.
I'm not trying to increase the level of suspicion but I will say that just because he has been calling people out as having scummy behaviour, does not mean he himself is scum-free.
Regarding Unforgiven; commenting on this is a lose-lose-lose for me. People have noted my behaviour as being bandwagony so if I vote for him, I have that. If I say he is innocent, that is also highly suspicious and if I don't comment, I'm avoiding the biggest issue of the day. Know that I do have my opinions on the matter, if anyone cares to broach the subject, they can PM me.
Good time to ask, are we allowed to PM?
If not, I'll post my opinions here tomorrow.
@Superouman, there are plenty of posts by now to gather how to type, you just need to post with some more substance
Haven't heard from sciberbia in a while, what's the happy hap with you? It seems after your flurry of activity, you went very silent...
And finally my suspicions regarding Suki have been somewhat alleviated, but not entirely. If you want me to comment on someone, ask me to.
I'm away to bed now, I'll check back in the morning for you guys.
and for the record, I'd like to die via freefall from 40000ft. Drowning in whisky just isn't rock and roll enough
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On June 01 2012 01:06 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Good time to ask, are we allowed to PM?
On May 27 2012 03:41 Toadesstern wrote:
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.
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On June 01 2012 00:08 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
The only thing i feel is a overeager feeling from you to start a bandwagon, seeing as we still have one whole day left i see this unnecessary.
It's the opposite, really. I've been very patient with you, considering your horrible first posts, long absence, and now this angry and useless response. Why don't you do something to convince everyone of your innocence instead of dodging the issue?
On June 01 2012 00:57 Superouman wrote:This, i don't understand why he could be a "confirmed" townie, even the most townie-looking person can be toying with us
Cattivik has indeed posted some questionable statements. It's still not enough to make me think he is Mafia. He was the very first poster to push the Mafia hunt, to call out lurkers, to call out suspicious behaviour. If that isn't town play, I don't know what is. Some stupid statements like "confirmed town" don't yet make someone Mafia.
More importantly, I want to see something from you, Superouman. So far you have just posted generalities and useless banter. Do you think Cattivik is Mafia? Do you think Unforgiven_ve is Mafia? Do you have any other opinions?
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