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My point is that risk is not pushing a lynch on sent at all...
Yeah he voted him but come on. Do you see anyone backing him up? Do you see anyone saying stuff along the lines "well that's great logic! That makes me sure you are town risk"?
I don't see that, therefore I don't consider it a push, therefore I don't care about his vote right now because it could be just to stick with his "thing" right now, whatever that thing might be.
I'm not saying risk is town, although if he really is the janitor he is most likely town. I'm saying that I have no clue who the liar right now, all I have is a guess based on my reads but I'm not willing to lynch into one based on a guess when we have enough time to figure out a better lynch.
And it's really easy to figure out what's going on between risk / marv / sent within 1 or 2 days. Why would you guys be willing to lynch into that BEFORE we know what's going on in that constellation if it is really obvious that we WILL have a better idea about it the next couple of days.
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I don't get it Qatol. Most of what I interpreted from your case is that PaqMan is going with common opinions rather than uncommon ones. Of course he'd be abrasive and assertive when he has an opinion different from town; he needs to convince town. On a game where his opinion is shared with most people, what use is there for him to be abrasive about it?
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Qatol what's your opinion on Sandro?
Anyone else willing to answer that one is welcome to answer that one as well.
I still think he is by far the most scummy player we have right now but the decunduo flip really doesn't fit that read.
Not that I think a Sandro + decunduo mafia team should be considered imba (at all) but it doesn't really fit.
Qatol was very open when disagreeing with Sandroba before and while drafting and told us exactly where Sandroba was wrong in his (and my) opinion, yet he never said Sandroba is scummy.
Now look at what Decunduo did: He posted no walls of text like Sandro did. He basicly agreed with it in a very useless fashion but he disagreed with Sandroba. He as well never said Sandroba is looking weird for it, too.
However, given the flip don't you think he usually would have done it?
Decunduo was mafia. He had all the reasons to say Sandroba looks weird after how I and ESPECIALLY after how Qatol dismanteled Sandroba in a way everyone agreed. What Qatol did was very clear, he explained his thoughts and why what Sandroba said is wrong and both know that Sandroba is a monster as town.
So why didn't Decundo drop the m-word? Again, he had all the reasons to just say he thinks Sandroba looks weird but didn't,
I think Sandroba is the best lynch for today and we need to get people like blue in here, which is the reason I voted him but I should have done so earlier and clearly a pressure vote at this point of time is not going to help anymore so I'm taking it off blue.
If blue isn't going to contribute soon I'd say he's still a decent Plan-B but Sandro is the by far best shot we have today imo if it weren't for the dayvig that's confusing me SO HARD....
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On May 18 2012 06:40 Toadesstern wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Qatol what's your opinion on Sandro?
Anyone else willing to answer that one is welcome to answer that one as well.
I still think he is by far the most scummy player we have right now but the decunduo flip really doesn't fit that read.
Not that I think a Sandro + decunduo mafia team should be considered imba (at all) but it doesn't really fit.
Qatol was very open when disagreeing with Sandroba before and while drafting and told us exactly where Sandroba was wrong in his (and my) opinion, yet he never said Sandroba is scummy.
Now look at what Decunduo did: He posted no walls of text like Sandro did. He basicly agreed with it in a very useless fashion but he disagreed with Sandroba. He as well never said Sandroba is looking weird for it, too.
However, given the flip don't you think he usually would have done it?
Decunduo was mafia. He had all the reasons to say Sandroba looks weird after how I and ESPECIALLY after how Qatol dismanteled Sandroba in a way everyone agreed. What Qatol did was very clear, he explained his thoughts and why what Sandroba said is wrong and both know that Sandroba is a monster as town.
So why didn't Decundo drop the m-word? Again, he had all the reasons to just say he thinks Sandroba looks weird but didn't,
I think Sandroba is the best lynch for today and we need to get people like blue in here, which is the reason I voted him but I should have done so earlier and clearly a pressure vote at this point of time is not going to help anymore so I'm taking it off blue.
If blue isn't going to contribute soon I'd say he's still a decent Plan-B but Sandro is the by far best shot we have today imo if it weren't for the dayvig that's confusing me SO HARD....
EBWOP Walls of text like Qatol did. Not Sandro.
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@Toad What exactly is your reasoning for me being mafia? You keep saying I look weird and I'm scummy but you don't provide any reasoning. And because I didn't agree on the cpr thing being denied is not a good reason, but I'm not going to get into that, because I don't wanna flood the thread with obsolete discussion.
So the facts we got so far are the following:
Risk claims he didn't try for janitor. I know you said you wouldn't, but can you explain why, since you posted that you thought that role was worth denying?
Marvelocity claims he didn't go for janitor nor cpr. Again, why is that?
Sentinel claims he tryed janitor and didn't get it, thus vanilla. A role or bulletbill check could work in his case, narrowing it down to marv or risk, or finding out he is mafia.
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On May 18 2012 06:59 sandroba wrote:
@Toad What exactly is your reasoning for me being mafia? You keep saying I look weird and I'm scummy but you don't provide any reasoning. And because I didn't agree on the cpr thing being denied is not a good reason, but I'm not going to get into that, because I don't wanna flood the thread with obsolete discussion.
So the facts we got so far are the following:
Risk claims he didn't try for janitor. I know you said you wouldn't, but can you explain why, since you posted that you thought that role was worth denying?
Marvelocity claims he didn't go for janitor nor cpr. Again, why is that?
Sentinel claims he tryed janitor and didn't get it, thus vanilla. A role or bulletbill check could work in his case, narrowing it down to marv or risk, or finding out he is mafia.
My reasoning for you being scummy is that you are usually a very smart man but so far I haven't read anything smart yet.
And yes I would consider what you posted so far as not-smart-at-all. 
@2nd paragraph: And if mafia has a framer we're screwed big time.
See what I am referring to when I said you are usually a smart man?
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I'm thinking we should murder Qatol. Need to read a bit more before I make up my mind. I will post a few more things tomorrow.
Sandroba, how do you feel about that?
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On May 18 2012 06:59 sandroba wrote:
Marvelocity claims he didn't go for janitor nor cpr. Again, why is that?
On May 17 2012 22:00 marvellosity wrote:I chose neither, I felt the fact that I explicitly stated I would do so on more than one occasion would be enough to keep the players above me in line.
Also, spell my name right, dear.
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@toad you are just not smart enough to realize what i posted previously is smart 
@palmar based on what? I see no reason to do so as of now, specially on day 1.
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On May 18 2012 07:33 sandroba wrote:@toad you are just not smart enough to realize what i posted previously is smart @palmar based on what? I see no reason to do so as of now, specially on day 1.
so who do you think is the best lynch for d1?
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I actually think no lynching might be the best choice.
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On May 18 2012 06:15 Zephirdd wrote:
I don't get it Qatol. Most of what I interpreted from your case is that PaqMan is going with common opinions rather than uncommon ones. Of course he'd be abrasive and assertive when he has an opinion different from town; he needs to convince town. On a game where his opinion is shared with most people, what use is there for him to be abrasive about it?
That was why I mentioned his discussion of the situation in which people don't follow the plan. He was concerned about it but was anything but assertive.
On May 18 2012 06:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Qatol what's your opinion on Sandro?
Anyone else willing to answer that one is welcome to answer that one as well.
I still think he is by far the most scummy player we have right now but the decunduo flip really doesn't fit that read.
Not that I think a Sandro + decunduo mafia team should be considered imba (at all) but it doesn't really fit.
Qatol was very open when disagreeing with Sandroba before and while drafting and told us exactly where Sandroba was wrong in his (and my) opinion, yet he never said Sandroba is scummy.
Now look at what Decunduo did: He posted no walls of text like Sandro did. He basicly agreed with it in a very useless fashion but he disagreed with Sandroba. He as well never said Sandroba is looking weird for it, too.
However, given the flip don't you think he usually would have done it?
Decunduo was mafia. He had all the reasons to say Sandroba looks weird after how I and ESPECIALLY after how Qatol dismanteled Sandroba in a way everyone agreed. What Qatol did was very clear, he explained his thoughts and why what Sandroba said is wrong and both know that Sandroba is a monster as town.
So why didn't Decundo drop the m-word? Again, he had all the reasons to just say he thinks Sandroba looks weird but didn't,
I think Sandroba is the best lynch for today and we need to get people like blue in here, which is the reason I voted him but I should have done so earlier and clearly a pressure vote at this point of time is not going to help anymore so I'm taking it off blue.
If blue isn't going to contribute soon I'd say he's still a decent Plan-B but Sandro is the by far best shot we have today imo if it weren't for the dayvig that's confusing me SO HARD....
Sandroba is on my "look at later if he's still alive" list. Basically, he hasn't said anything that stood out to me as being blatantly scummy, but he also hasn't done enough to establish himself as innocent to me. I think he's his experience will make him a decently high priority target for either the scum or the SK (or both). I didn't like that he was emphasizing an early godfather pick, just like deconduo. That being said, his claim that he was taking the mason role made him a lower priority to me because it seems like a pretty pro-town selection which can be verified easily enough if we start a serious discussion of lynching sandroba.
On May 18 2012 07:29 Palmar wrote:
I'm thinking we should murder Qatol. Need to read a bit more before I make up my mind. I will post a few more things tomorrow.
Sandroba, how do you feel about that?
I'd like to hear your reasoning on that one. It would be the most useful/constructive post you've made all game by far.
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On May 18 2012 08:02 sandroba wrote:
I actually think no lynching might be the best choice.
becaaaause?
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On May 18 2012 08:22 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 08:02 sandroba wrote:
I actually think no lynching might be the best choice. becaaaause?
just to make it clear because apparently people (hint: marv) are not getting what I am talking about when I am not explaining it explicitly and while I usually do that on purpose it's 1:30 am right now for me, so no time for games.
I was referring to this one:
On May 15 2012 02:08 sandroba wrote:
I would totally pick cpr. Give me kp and I'll give you dead scum. Trust me it's more effective to leave it up for grabs. Mafia can't pick it safely, they might end up vanilla.
You are the guy who says "give me KP and I'll give you dead scum".
You are the guy who thinks CPR doc is equally good in towns hand because it's an infinite bullet vig. Clearly you don't want a noob to take it but someone like you would be really good with a CPR.
Clearly you know that you tend to die early a lot if you are mafia. Remember saying something along the lines of "I'm sick of getting shot n1 as town" when we hydraed?
Your train of though is just way off.
1) You want CPR to shoot n1, because apparently you die early A LOT as townie and if you don't shoot n1 what's the point of infinite vig because you usually get shot as townie n1 or n2.
2) You don't want noobs to get the CPR (I hope) because noone wants another AC happening.
3) Yet you still say it's incredible powerful due to the fact that it's infinite bullets which is just not adding up considering what I just said.
4) And you get in here telling us that we should no lynch now because you are apparently not sure at all about people.
What happened to the guy "give me CPR and I'll give you a dead mafia" down the road? What happened to "cpr is awesome for town as well", what's the reasoning behind thinking CPR is awesome for town.
How is that guy town.
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+ Show Spoiler [EBWOP] +On May 18 2012 08:32 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 08:22 Toadesstern wrote:On May 18 2012 08:02 sandroba wrote:
I actually think no lynching might be the best choice. becaaaause? just to make it clear because apparently people (hint: marv) are not getting what I am talking about when I am not explaining it explicitly and while I usually do that on purpose it's 1:30 am right now for me, so no time for games. I was referring to this one: Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 02:08 sandroba wrote:
I would totally pick cpr. Give me kp and I'll give you dead scum. Trust me it's more effective to leave it up for grabs. Mafia can't pick it safely, they might end up vanilla. You are the guy who says "give me KP and I'll give you dead scum". You are the guy who thinks CPR doc is equally good in towns hand because it's an infinite bullet vig. Clearly you don't want a noob to take it but someone like you would be really good with a CPR. Clearly you know that you tend to die early a lot if you are town. Remember saying something along the lines of "I'm sick of getting shot n1 as town" when we hydraed? Your train of though is just way off. 1) You want CPR to shoot n1, because apparently you die early A LOT as townie and if you don't shoot n1 what's the point of infinite vig because you usually get shot as townie n1 or n2. 2) You don't want noobs to get the CPR (I hope) because noone wants another AC happening. 3) Yet you still say it's incredible powerful due to the fact that it's infinite bullets which is just not adding up considering what I just said. 4) And you get in here telling us that we should no lynch now because you are apparently not sure at all about people. What happened to the guy "give me CPR and I'll give you a dead mafia" down the road? What happened to "cpr is awesome for town as well", what's the reasoning behind thinking CPR is awesome for town. How is that guy town.
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On May 17 2012 20:28 zelblade wrote:
First off regarding the decundo shot. I agree with a few others who have already stated so - this shot, whilst actually managing to luck into scum, actually had terrible grounds. I can easily see a whole host or reasons why a mafia team wouldnt have any of their members pick [1,1], one of them mainly being that positions 1,2,3 suck for scum this game unless they have something like both positions 1 and 3, allowing them to drop the role somewhere. Copy Cat definately needs to claim asap if hes town, in which case mattchew is probably town (though theres still the vauge possibility that scum failed on a copy cat pick, I dont see a scum mattchew going through with his shot in that case). I highly doubt hes SK though considering that day vig sucks for SK.
Anyway, moving on, Janitor needs to claim. I am relatively sure there has been some shenanigans occuring at the top.
Qatol's case on Paqman is interesting. To be honest - I think that paqman's reasonings for his posting are actually pretty decent. I can understand what he means by not being able to contribute much due to fact that plans were discussed during his absense - this is actually similar for me - I was in school for most of the draft phase, and by the time I got back there wasnt much to do other than give opinions on the plan.
Explain this.
You made this statement before
1) Marv claimed that he wasn't Janitor
2) Marv claimed that he did not RNG between Janitor and CPR and in fact picked something else
3) Before Sentinel claimed that he did not get Janitor
4) Before Risk.nuke said he wasn't Janitor
Essentially, before all the "shenanigans". How are you so prescient?
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Toad:
Why would I do that as we were not discussing any lynch targets, I can't just say like 'Hmm so CPR' 'NONONONOONONO HES TOWN KK" at that time.
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On May 18 2012 07:29 Palmar wrote:
I'm thinking we should murder Qatol. Need to read a bit more before I make up my mind. I will post a few more things tomorrow.
Sandroba, how do you feel about that?
Palmar don't pull a Palmar vs Mr.Wiggles from Purgatory :3 (As in Purgatory Mr Wiggles like Qatol has contributed a ton and his effort is very clear, but Palmar seems very scummy though.)
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My suspicions on Bottom 10:
Misder has only 1 pager of filter and has done little to no scum hunting.
Please, feel free to request me for more opinions.
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I think there is definitely mafia in between risk.nuke, marvellosity, and sentinel. I don't see how there is any benefit to town lying about having the Janitor role at all. I also think we should deal with the Janitor role first.
Qatol: If you thought that Janitor is a really strong role for mafia that it warranted a denial, why is lynching Paqman more ideal?
Paqman: Who do you think is Janitor?
Sentinel: Why are you not voting risk.nuke?
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