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On April 28 2012 07:36 Zealos wrote:
So I want to ask everyone, if me and Imallision became immortal for the day, who gets your vote, and give reasons. Anyone posting a name without any thoughts with it becomes super suspicious. Obviously I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I will be choosing: Stossel
His first and only post since replacing in involves regurgitating arguments that people have made time and time again, and not to mention - Pre-replacement, he was under a lot of pressure, and then out'ed for seemingly no reason. I don't know if this sort of meta argument should be used, but it certainly seems... odd. Not enough for me to lynch in front of Imallision, as I would like to give the new guy a chance to at least give some reads and what not, but he takes 2nd place by a cinch.
Stossel has actually posted, and posted useful things, which is more than I can say for the other two lurkers. imallinson's one post when he came back before he disappeared was to make a case on Dracolich, then disappear. Stossel's pretty strongly accusing imallinson as his #1 read (has yet to vote though for some reason). With a fairly light amount of suspicion on Dracolich even before imallinson made his case, what would be the point of them targeting each other in this situation if they're scumbuddies? It doesn't make a great deal of sense imo.
Right now, Stossel is neutral at best to me. Dracolich was only under pressure from Maju (and imallinson, but it's hard to count that if he's your scum target), so to say he was under heavy pressure is a bit of a stretch.
What do you think of oneplus and insectoceanx? And are you still reading Maju as scummy? It would be really hard to look back at Maju and Draco's filters and read them as scum together.
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EBWOP -- which is more than I can say for the other two replacements
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Sorry, I really really don't have time to make any more cases tonight, I'm just about to go to bed, but I will post thoughts on them both in the morning. I will say on Stossel, that it isn't so much I find Stossel scummy, but more I find Draco very scummy, but like I said, I wanna see more from Stossel before I would be willing to put my vote on him.
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Frankly, I don't like voting with so many people still not having posted anything. I don't really feel like choosing imallinson for his lurking alone is a particularly strong reason and it bothers me that everybody that votes for him just says that. At the risk of repeating myself, I originally found him more suspicious than others because his posts (especially his latest post) had the most fluff, giving me the impression that they were made to pretend to contribute. Now he apparently completely disappeared together with a bunch of others though, and I have to wonder how much that notion of mine is actually worth. Still, I have to make a decision now and I would rather take a shot at him than risk a no-lynch.
#Vote: imallinson
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[QUOTE]On April 28 2012 08:52 ArcticFox wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 28 2012 07:36 Zealos wrote:What do you think of oneplus and insectoceanx? And are you still reading Maju as scummy? It would be really hard to look back at Maju and Draco's filters and read them as scum together.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I'll bite anyway. On Maju - I think that my original points stand, however, I am learning more towards bad town, rather than as a scumread. I'd like to see him make a case against his #1 Scumread, but for now, there are better targets.
Insectoceanx: Looking back over his filter, looks very townie to begin with, due to his frequent and useful posts, however, he really seems to be posting less and less, but that could just because we have dominated discussion. I think his point to Oneplus is good, which leads me on to
Oneplus: If he wants to vote for me, fine, but he needs to work on convincing people, rather than just wasting his vote. I feel like he posts a lot of *stuff* but a lot of it is him repeating himself over the course of the game. However, I think he is mainly just bad town again.
[QUOTE]On April 27 2012 00:52 oneplus wrote:
Hey ArcticFox I doubt english is not my mother tongue which make you can't understand me. I am trying to bring a new topic out for everyone to discuss which is lynch Draco / zealos / me out today beacause it is so highly possible 1 scum among us I want to discuss about what you guys think about this suggestion and not pointing at this guy post alot so he is helpful, that guy post a little so he is a scum. I want to bring more concrete information out.
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This however, is a pretty scummy thing to do, where he says "He must be scum if this guy flips town" It gives him an excuse to get 2 mislynches off. However, with himself and Draco on the list, it becomes more of a "This is a scummy thing to do" rather than a "This makes him a scum player" sort of thing.
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On April 28 2012 08:52 ArcticFox wrote:
What do you think of oneplus and insectoceanx? And are you still reading Maju as scummy? It would be really hard to look back at Maju and Draco's filters and read them as scum together.
Ok, I'll bite anyway. On Maju - I think that my original points stand, however, I am learning more towards bad town, rather than as a scumread. I'd like to see him make a case against his #1 Scumread, but for now, there are better targets.
Insectoceanx: Looking back over his filter, looks very townie to begin with, due to his frequent and useful posts, however, he really seems to be posting less and less, but that could just because we have dominated discussion. I think his point to Oneplus is good, which leads me on to
Oneplus: If he wants to vote for me, fine, but he needs to work on convincing people, rather than just wasting his vote. I feel like he posts a lot of *stuff* but a lot of it is him repeating himself over the course of the game. However, I think he is mainly just bad town again.
On April 27 2012 00:52 oneplus wrote:
Hey ArcticFox I doubt english is not my mother tongue which make you can't understand me. I am trying to bring a new topic out for everyone to discuss which is lynch Draco / zealos / me out today beacause it is so highly possible 1 scum among us I want to discuss about what you guys think about this suggestion and not pointing at this guy post alot so he is helpful, that guy post a little so he is a scum. I want to bring more concrete information out.
This however, is a pretty scummy thing to do, where he says "He must be scum if this guy flips town" It gives him an excuse to get 2 mislynches off. However, with himself and Draco on the list, it becomes more of a "This is a scummy thing to do" rather than a "This makes him a scum player" sort of thing.
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Ok, I'll bite anyway. On Maju - I think that my original points stand, however, I am learning more towards bad town, rather than as a scumread. I'd like to see him make a case against his #1 Scumread, but for now, there are better targets.
On April 27 2012 11:32 MajuGarzett wrote:imallinsonImallinson has been heavily lurking this game. With 5 days of play gone he has only made 5 posts. Of these, the first post essentially mentioned two players and said that he was unsure of either of them. This added nothing to the game. His first act of any gravity was to vote for yomi but this vote was one of the last votes cast and yomi was already the most likely choice to get lynched.At this point voting for yomi was an extremely safe move for mafia as it was a common choice and a townie would be lynched. Now that we know yomi was townie this vote becomes more suspicious. Alone it might not be much but combined with the lurking and lack of solid posting it becomes suspicious. Looking back at the accusation against yomi, it initially seems to have content but reeally the only thing he used against yomi was Show nested quote +He then tries to defend his vote for maju and doesn't do very well at it. "Why not" isn't a sufficient answer and I'm not buying the pressure vote excuse. It was such a baseless accusation that maju would never felt any real pressure. Again this feels like someone trying to look like he is contributing while not doing anything of the sort. I personally see this accusation: Show nested quote +The asking everyone to post their previous games is strange. If you actually wanted to read through people's previous games you would just go and do it, especially given that the people in this game will have at most 2 other games. This seems to me to be trying to look like he is contributing. as rather weak. Imallinson recently contributed new ideas with his voting for Dracho (Gossemerr). We can see though that all the information used against Dracho in this post was posted before imallinson's initial list of reads. Why, imallinson, was none of this observed earlier? Also, Dracho was initially imallinson's third choice for scum behind yomi and Zealos. After yomi died Dracho suddenly moved up to first choice over Zealos with no explanation why his suspicions over Zealos diminished. After imallinsons first content filled post he finger of suspicions' Zealos while all the evidence that he later uses to vote Dracholich has already been posted. Also, he posted a lot more evidence against Dracho then against yomi. Assuming allin read everyone's posts carefully, his initial vote should have been for Dracho with yomi as a second choice. Why did that not happen imallinson? I think there is a chance that both Zealos and imallinson are both scum and that imallinson has been keeping Zealos as a second choice to avid suspicion then voted for townies.
Basically lurking, insubstantial posting, and strange accusations.
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5 minutes to deadline! 1 vote keeping imallinson alive! Will we see the rare triple modkill in a mini game? Will we see a hero last minute lynch vote? Tune in at 10pm to find out!
Ze suspense, it is killing me.
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On April 25 2012 19:19 nreekay324 wrote:yomi flipped town, confirming his claim that he was making a play to get real discussion going. yomi had only the minimum 7/7 votes to be lynched, however. By acting crazy in the beginning, yomi singled himself out; as my first theory of Maju getting thrown under the bus is wrong (maybe), it seems more likely yomi was to be that easy target to get bussed. Some notes on yomi votes, may be more useful later in the game then now; + Show Spoiler +0-1 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
This seems highly unlikely. As a townie gaining so much suspicion early on, the mafia probably put him on their agenda and wanted to push us to mislynch him. Because of yomi’s early suspicion, early votes AGAINST him seem less suspicious as well. According to Midnight’s prelim vote count, some 6 hours before deadline, only 5 people had their vote on yomi, and not until somewhat close to the end 2 votes changed. As I previously mentioned, early votes against yomi would be less prone to suspicion, especially because there was a (so-so) case on him early on.
2-3 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
Seems extremely likely. The duration of yomi’s erratic play, probably a little over a day, would surely be long enough for two scum to make a case against him, and vote so. (or one make a case and another simply cite their support of someone else’s). The majority of the mafia would need to vote for yomi as he had the minimum 7/7. And with enough town support, it would be favorable to have someone NOT voting yomi, as a safety-card for when yomi flips green (2 votes). There is then always the consideration all 3 mafia voted for yomi, but it would be unfavorable to tunnel vision the votes.
WIFOM? + Show Spoiler + (Am i using WIFOM right?) As I was looking at the votes and writing this, I wanted to look at 0, 1, 2, 3, votes individually. But I realized this would be circular logic because I’d be making too many assumptions about the mafia’s agenda. However, I am convinced that the mafia worked to get yomi mis-lynched because yomi did so much of the mafia’s work for them. So some of my reads come from this likely motive.
That lead me to here.... some of my reads, and my reasoning 1. ArcticFox + Show Spoiler + First to vote yomi, but only after yomi has had enough time to make a case against himself. Also, he pressures everyone to vote yomi as the deadline approaches, insisting yomi’s play has been too scummy, and not acting erratically. Also, looking at his filter, I notice that AF posts are 1)plentiful, 2)insistent on good town discussion 3)provide pressure to lurkers 4)continously PRESSURES lurkers. And then this post + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 10:26 ArcticFox wrote:That quote *was* originally mine btw. It keeps getting credited to nreekay and I don't appreciate it. >.> Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 10:07 yomi wrote:
you are being way way way way too passive right now. post. a lot more. don't let anyone lurk. make them just post whatever's on their mind. this is SUPER stressful for mafia. mafia have to re-read their posts 10 times before posting and are super super careful about everything. making them have to give an opinion on everything is awful for a mafia. so punish (really punish, not just threaten) the lurkers hard and anyone that won't come out with near-constant lists of their reads on everyone and why. mafia hate hate hate that environment. on the other hand don't let it get super cluttered. just make everyone come out with frequent clear posts. last game you guys really almost had us on day 2. it was super scary how the posting was going. very organized, very clear, very concise. I just managed to discredit xatalos to win it but otherwise you guys had us made, many of the lists had 3 or 4 players picked of which 2 were mafia.
firm, aggressive, but reasoned and frequent posting is mafia's enemy. Really good advice that I don't want to go unnoticed. Our last game had over twice the amount of posting by this time, and it's hard to scumhunt when half the thread is inactive. He insists on being a strong pro-town voice and contributing to good town environment. strikes me as TOWN. Insectoceanx + Show Spoiler +I originally read insectoceanx as probably town, but this was mostly because he had the same read on Zealos as me, that Zealos is scum. However, insectoceanx then is the final vote on a vote change to get yomi lynched. This wasn’t the suspicious part, as I woke up a little before the deadline to scope out the yomi vote count. Insectoceanx could honestly have wanted to see what yomi flipped, as yomi’s ending play wasn’t really enough to redeem him ( and people weren’t around to discuss this, myself included). But then he posts this; + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 11:07 insectoceanx wrote:
That is all I have to say about changing my vote to yomi, I think zealos is the greatest chance of being scum at this point but yomi is close behind and I changed my vote to him for the sake of getting a lynch.
While I have not posted often, what I have posted is a collection of my thoughts from everything going on. These thoughts have not been one liners or contentless.
imallinson does make me a little suspicous with his last post being a little recap of what everyone else has discussed without adding anything of substance, he then votes for yomi, which i don't know if he is just jumping on the bandwagon at the end or not.
I agree with imallinson's assement that fox is not scum.
I am unsure of everyone else besides that zealos seems really scummy.
Maju is hard to read as most of what he said is in defence to yomi's erratic voting towards him. This came shortly after Night 1 began. Over half this post is insectoceanx defending himself, (Not sure of the grammar of 1st clause), trying to divert suspicion onto imallinson / zealos. I can’t analyze it much further, but this post seemed overly anxious in defending himself. SUSPICIOUS Imallinson + Show Spoiler + Bandwagon’d yomi, few posts.SUSPICIOUS Oneplus + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 16:09 oneplus wrote:
@Maju, Nreekay got the same read as me on Yomi which he’s an idiotic towny playing scummy. We are not protecting him, we want to bring out the fact that this is a possibility on his play. We should think out of the box and evaluating all the possibility, it is too early to make comfirmation that "Yomi is a scum" yet in my point of view. I just want everyone to think twice before yomi.
Maju, suspecting someone who is not defending you is not a good town play. He was the main, only supporter of yomi. Whether or not this was a scum “oh I called it, I must be town” play, I’m not sure. But I do know that in the above quote, he includes me in his read of yomi as an idiotic towny playing scummy. But he seemed much, much more sure than I was (I mainly thought Zealos was safer lynch) I don’t see any reason for mafia to single themselves out this much, especially before yomi started revealing his accusation play. strikes me as TOWN. Zealos + Show Spoiler +I had originally thought scum, 100%. Now I think he may have been caught up in yomi’s play. Zealos didn’t set Maju up for yomi to accuse. It seems, now, rather Zealos got swept into the play. And the more he got accused, the more cynical he got. But Zealos has neither come up with a defense nor indirectly done so by contributing. As yomi pointed out (RIP), Zealos has still been setting up Maju. I’m at 75% right now, so for now FOS List FOS1. Zealos 2. Insectoceanx 3. Imallinson Better be town1. ArcticFox 2. oneplus + Show Spoiler + If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. + Show Spoiler + If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face
Looking back at this post by nreekay, it gives me one fear. This fear is only in my mind if imallinson ends up not being mafia...
If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face
+ Show Spoiler +Could this be the line that got nreekay killed?
What if Arcticfox is mafia. Case: He has been most active in routing out lurkers in a game filled by lurkers. All the lurkers cannot be mafia, and if the mafia were not lurkers they would be pretty high above suspicion. Case in point, Arcticfox who has spent his entire time confronting lurkers and has never been suspected. The downside of lynch all lurkers is that the active mafia could put all suspicion on townies that lurk. That part of nreekays post is the only thing that makes him stand out in anyway, all of his other posts never really said much. Again this may just be complete bs, but I also share nreekays fear, if he is mafia we are all in a lot of trouble.
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On April 28 2012 10:56 insectoceanx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 19:19 nreekay324 wrote:yomi flipped town, confirming his claim that he was making a play to get real discussion going. yomi had only the minimum 7/7 votes to be lynched, however. By acting crazy in the beginning, yomi singled himself out; as my first theory of Maju getting thrown under the bus is wrong (maybe), it seems more likely yomi was to be that easy target to get bussed. Some notes on yomi votes, may be more useful later in the game then now; + Show Spoiler +0-1 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
This seems highly unlikely. As a townie gaining so much suspicion early on, the mafia probably put him on their agenda and wanted to push us to mislynch him. Because of yomi’s early suspicion, early votes AGAINST him seem less suspicious as well. According to Midnight’s prelim vote count, some 6 hours before deadline, only 5 people had their vote on yomi, and not until somewhat close to the end 2 votes changed. As I previously mentioned, early votes against yomi would be less prone to suspicion, especially because there was a (so-so) case on him early on.
2-3 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
Seems extremely likely. The duration of yomi’s erratic play, probably a little over a day, would surely be long enough for two scum to make a case against him, and vote so. (or one make a case and another simply cite their support of someone else’s). The majority of the mafia would need to vote for yomi as he had the minimum 7/7. And with enough town support, it would be favorable to have someone NOT voting yomi, as a safety-card for when yomi flips green (2 votes). There is then always the consideration all 3 mafia voted for yomi, but it would be unfavorable to tunnel vision the votes.
WIFOM? + Show Spoiler + (Am i using WIFOM right?) As I was looking at the votes and writing this, I wanted to look at 0, 1, 2, 3, votes individually. But I realized this would be circular logic because I’d be making too many assumptions about the mafia’s agenda. However, I am convinced that the mafia worked to get yomi mis-lynched because yomi did so much of the mafia’s work for them. So some of my reads come from this likely motive.
That lead me to here.... some of my reads, and my reasoning 1. ArcticFox + Show Spoiler + First to vote yomi, but only after yomi has had enough time to make a case against himself. Also, he pressures everyone to vote yomi as the deadline approaches, insisting yomi’s play has been too scummy, and not acting erratically. Also, looking at his filter, I notice that AF posts are 1)plentiful, 2)insistent on good town discussion 3)provide pressure to lurkers 4)continously PRESSURES lurkers. And then this post + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 10:26 ArcticFox wrote:That quote *was* originally mine btw. It keeps getting credited to nreekay and I don't appreciate it. >.> Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 10:07 yomi wrote:
you are being way way way way too passive right now. post. a lot more. don't let anyone lurk. make them just post whatever's on their mind. this is SUPER stressful for mafia. mafia have to re-read their posts 10 times before posting and are super super careful about everything. making them have to give an opinion on everything is awful for a mafia. so punish (really punish, not just threaten) the lurkers hard and anyone that won't come out with near-constant lists of their reads on everyone and why. mafia hate hate hate that environment. on the other hand don't let it get super cluttered. just make everyone come out with frequent clear posts. last game you guys really almost had us on day 2. it was super scary how the posting was going. very organized, very clear, very concise. I just managed to discredit xatalos to win it but otherwise you guys had us made, many of the lists had 3 or 4 players picked of which 2 were mafia.
firm, aggressive, but reasoned and frequent posting is mafia's enemy. Really good advice that I don't want to go unnoticed. Our last game had over twice the amount of posting by this time, and it's hard to scumhunt when half the thread is inactive. He insists on being a strong pro-town voice and contributing to good town environment. strikes me as TOWN. Insectoceanx + Show Spoiler +I originally read insectoceanx as probably town, but this was mostly because he had the same read on Zealos as me, that Zealos is scum. However, insectoceanx then is the final vote on a vote change to get yomi lynched. This wasn’t the suspicious part, as I woke up a little before the deadline to scope out the yomi vote count. Insectoceanx could honestly have wanted to see what yomi flipped, as yomi’s ending play wasn’t really enough to redeem him ( and people weren’t around to discuss this, myself included). But then he posts this; + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 11:07 insectoceanx wrote:
That is all I have to say about changing my vote to yomi, I think zealos is the greatest chance of being scum at this point but yomi is close behind and I changed my vote to him for the sake of getting a lynch.
While I have not posted often, what I have posted is a collection of my thoughts from everything going on. These thoughts have not been one liners or contentless.
imallinson does make me a little suspicous with his last post being a little recap of what everyone else has discussed without adding anything of substance, he then votes for yomi, which i don't know if he is just jumping on the bandwagon at the end or not.
I agree with imallinson's assement that fox is not scum.
I am unsure of everyone else besides that zealos seems really scummy.
Maju is hard to read as most of what he said is in defence to yomi's erratic voting towards him. This came shortly after Night 1 began. Over half this post is insectoceanx defending himself, (Not sure of the grammar of 1st clause), trying to divert suspicion onto imallinson / zealos. I can’t analyze it much further, but this post seemed overly anxious in defending himself. SUSPICIOUS Imallinson + Show Spoiler + Bandwagon’d yomi, few posts.SUSPICIOUS Oneplus + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 16:09 oneplus wrote:
@Maju, Nreekay got the same read as me on Yomi which he’s an idiotic towny playing scummy. We are not protecting him, we want to bring out the fact that this is a possibility on his play. We should think out of the box and evaluating all the possibility, it is too early to make comfirmation that "Yomi is a scum" yet in my point of view. I just want everyone to think twice before yomi.
Maju, suspecting someone who is not defending you is not a good town play. He was the main, only supporter of yomi. Whether or not this was a scum “oh I called it, I must be town” play, I’m not sure. But I do know that in the above quote, he includes me in his read of yomi as an idiotic towny playing scummy. But he seemed much, much more sure than I was (I mainly thought Zealos was safer lynch) I don’t see any reason for mafia to single themselves out this much, especially before yomi started revealing his accusation play. strikes me as TOWN. Zealos + Show Spoiler +I had originally thought scum, 100%. Now I think he may have been caught up in yomi’s play. Zealos didn’t set Maju up for yomi to accuse. It seems, now, rather Zealos got swept into the play. And the more he got accused, the more cynical he got. But Zealos has neither come up with a defense nor indirectly done so by contributing. As yomi pointed out (RIP), Zealos has still been setting up Maju. I’m at 75% right now, so for now FOS List FOS1. Zealos 2. Insectoceanx 3. Imallinson Better be town1. ArcticFox 2. oneplus + Show Spoiler + If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. + Show Spoiler + If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face Looking back at this post by nreekay, it gives me one fear. This fear is only in my mind if imallinson ends up not being mafia... Show nested quote +If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face + Show Spoiler +Could this be the line that got nreekay killed? What if Arcticfox is mafia. Case: He has been most active in routing out lurkers in a game filled by lurkers. All the lurkers cannot be mafia, and if the mafia were not lurkers they would be pretty high above suspicion. Case in point, Arcticfox who has spent his entire time confronting lurkers and has never been suspected. The downside of lynch all lurkers is that the active mafia could put all suspicion on townies that lurk. That part of nreekays post is the only thing that makes him stand out in anyway, all of his other posts never really said much. Again this may just be complete bs, but I also share nreekays fear, if he is mafia we are all in a lot of trouble.
He also called you out as scum in the same post, you know.
If you want to build a case against me, go for it. There's almost 70 posts worth of material for you to work with. If your case is that I'm pressuring lurkers, you've got a long way to go.
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Night 2:
The assembled ministers made their decision quickly. A few dissenting voices were heard, but the consensus was clear: imallinson had to be guilty!
On the other side of the table, Gossemerr, Stossel, and Ydriel pulled out some old tapes of the Tiananmen Square protests, selecting Zhao Ziyang's famous speech on the morning before the troops were sent in.
"同学们，我们来得太晚了。对不起同学们了。不管你们说我们、批评我们，都是应该的。我这次来不是请你们原谅的。不是的，我想说的是，现在同学们身体已经非常虚弱，绝食已经到了第七天，不能再这样下去了。绝食时间长了，对身体会造成难以弥补的损害，这是有生命危险的。现在最重要的是，希望尽快结束这次绝食。我知道，你们绝食是希望党和政府对你们所提出的问题给以最满意的答复。我觉得，我们的对话渠道是畅通的，有些问题需要一个过程才能解决。比如你们提到的性质、责任问题，我觉得这些问题终究可以得到解决，终究可以取得一致的看法。但是，你们也应该知道，情况是很复杂的，需要有一个过程。你们不能在绝食已进入第七天的情况下，还坚持一定要得到满意答复才停止绝食。"
"You know," The Vice President interjected, "this isn't really the time for ---"
"你们还年轻，来日方长，你们应该健康地活着，看到我们中国实现四化的那一天。你们不像我们，我们已经老了，无所谓了。国家和你们的父母培养你们上大学不容易呀！现在十几、二十几岁，就这样把生命牺牲掉哇，同学们能不能稍微理智地想一想。现在的情况已经非常严重，你们都知道，党和国家非常着急，整个社会都忧心如焚。另外，北京是首都，各方面情况一天天严重，这种情况不能再继续下去了，同学们都是好意，为了我们国家好，但是这种情况发展下去，失去控制，会造成各方面的严重影响。"
The Minister of Security snarled at them. "Turn that goddamn thing off! We have work to do!"
"总之，我就是这么一个心意。如果你们停止绝食，政府不会因此把对话的门关起来，绝不会！你们所提的问题，我们可以继续讨论。慢是慢了一些，但一些问题的认识正在逐步接近。我今天主要是看望一下同学们，同时说一说我们的心情，希望同学们冷静地想一想这个问题。这件事情在不理智的情况下，是很难想清楚的。大家都这么一股劲，年轻人么，我们都是从年轻人过来的，我们也游过行，卧过轨，当时根本不想以后怎么样。最后，我再次恳请同学们冷静地想一想今后的事。有很多事情总是可以解决的。希望你们早些结束绝食，谢谢同学们。"
No one was lynched!
Please PM your night actions to both me and GMarshal. Day 3 will begin in 24 hours, at 19:00 PDT on April 28, 2012.
Non-voting players will be warned.
Votecount:
Stossel: 1
imallinson
imallinson: 5
ArcticFox
MajuGarzett
insectoceanx
Zealos
ForTheDr3am
Zealos: 1
oneplus
Not voting: 3
Gossemerr
Stossel
Ydriel
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Midnight, you have NO idea how hard I needed that laugh. That picture and those lines sum up how I feel so well.
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On April 28 2012 10:59 ArcticFox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 10:56 insectoceanx wrote:On April 25 2012 19:19 nreekay324 wrote:yomi flipped town, confirming his claim that he was making a play to get real discussion going. yomi had only the minimum 7/7 votes to be lynched, however. By acting crazy in the beginning, yomi singled himself out; as my first theory of Maju getting thrown under the bus is wrong (maybe), it seems more likely yomi was to be that easy target to get bussed. Some notes on yomi votes, may be more useful later in the game then now; + Show Spoiler +0-1 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
This seems highly unlikely. As a townie gaining so much suspicion early on, the mafia probably put him on their agenda and wanted to push us to mislynch him. Because of yomi’s early suspicion, early votes AGAINST him seem less suspicious as well. According to Midnight’s prelim vote count, some 6 hours before deadline, only 5 people had their vote on yomi, and not until somewhat close to the end 2 votes changed. As I previously mentioned, early votes against yomi would be less prone to suspicion, especially because there was a (so-so) case on him early on.
2-3 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
Seems extremely likely. The duration of yomi’s erratic play, probably a little over a day, would surely be long enough for two scum to make a case against him, and vote so. (or one make a case and another simply cite their support of someone else’s). The majority of the mafia would need to vote for yomi as he had the minimum 7/7. And with enough town support, it would be favorable to have someone NOT voting yomi, as a safety-card for when yomi flips green (2 votes). There is then always the consideration all 3 mafia voted for yomi, but it would be unfavorable to tunnel vision the votes.
WIFOM? + Show Spoiler + (Am i using WIFOM right?) As I was looking at the votes and writing this, I wanted to look at 0, 1, 2, 3, votes individually. But I realized this would be circular logic because I’d be making too many assumptions about the mafia’s agenda. However, I am convinced that the mafia worked to get yomi mis-lynched because yomi did so much of the mafia’s work for them. So some of my reads come from this likely motive.
That lead me to here.... some of my reads, and my reasoning 1. ArcticFox + Show Spoiler + First to vote yomi, but only after yomi has had enough time to make a case against himself. Also, he pressures everyone to vote yomi as the deadline approaches, insisting yomi’s play has been too scummy, and not acting erratically. Also, looking at his filter, I notice that AF posts are 1)plentiful, 2)insistent on good town discussion 3)provide pressure to lurkers 4)continously PRESSURES lurkers. And then this post + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 10:26 ArcticFox wrote:That quote *was* originally mine btw. It keeps getting credited to nreekay and I don't appreciate it. >.> Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 10:07 yomi wrote:
you are being way way way way too passive right now. post. a lot more. don't let anyone lurk. make them just post whatever's on their mind. this is SUPER stressful for mafia. mafia have to re-read their posts 10 times before posting and are super super careful about everything. making them have to give an opinion on everything is awful for a mafia. so punish (really punish, not just threaten) the lurkers hard and anyone that won't come out with near-constant lists of their reads on everyone and why. mafia hate hate hate that environment. on the other hand don't let it get super cluttered. just make everyone come out with frequent clear posts. last game you guys really almost had us on day 2. it was super scary how the posting was going. very organized, very clear, very concise. I just managed to discredit xatalos to win it but otherwise you guys had us made, many of the lists had 3 or 4 players picked of which 2 were mafia.
firm, aggressive, but reasoned and frequent posting is mafia's enemy. Really good advice that I don't want to go unnoticed. Our last game had over twice the amount of posting by this time, and it's hard to scumhunt when half the thread is inactive. He insists on being a strong pro-town voice and contributing to good town environment. strikes me as TOWN. Insectoceanx + Show Spoiler +I originally read insectoceanx as probably town, but this was mostly because he had the same read on Zealos as me, that Zealos is scum. However, insectoceanx then is the final vote on a vote change to get yomi lynched. This wasn’t the suspicious part, as I woke up a little before the deadline to scope out the yomi vote count. Insectoceanx could honestly have wanted to see what yomi flipped, as yomi’s ending play wasn’t really enough to redeem him ( and people weren’t around to discuss this, myself included). But then he posts this; + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 11:07 insectoceanx wrote:
That is all I have to say about changing my vote to yomi, I think zealos is the greatest chance of being scum at this point but yomi is close behind and I changed my vote to him for the sake of getting a lynch.
While I have not posted often, what I have posted is a collection of my thoughts from everything going on. These thoughts have not been one liners or contentless.
imallinson does make me a little suspicous with his last post being a little recap of what everyone else has discussed without adding anything of substance, he then votes for yomi, which i don't know if he is just jumping on the bandwagon at the end or not.
I agree with imallinson's assement that fox is not scum.
I am unsure of everyone else besides that zealos seems really scummy.
Maju is hard to read as most of what he said is in defence to yomi's erratic voting towards him. This came shortly after Night 1 began. Over half this post is insectoceanx defending himself, (Not sure of the grammar of 1st clause), trying to divert suspicion onto imallinson / zealos. I can’t analyze it much further, but this post seemed overly anxious in defending himself. SUSPICIOUS Imallinson + Show Spoiler + Bandwagon’d yomi, few posts.SUSPICIOUS Oneplus + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 16:09 oneplus wrote:
@Maju, Nreekay got the same read as me on Yomi which he’s an idiotic towny playing scummy. We are not protecting him, we want to bring out the fact that this is a possibility on his play. We should think out of the box and evaluating all the possibility, it is too early to make comfirmation that "Yomi is a scum" yet in my point of view. I just want everyone to think twice before yomi.
Maju, suspecting someone who is not defending you is not a good town play. He was the main, only supporter of yomi. Whether or not this was a scum “oh I called it, I must be town” play, I’m not sure. But I do know that in the above quote, he includes me in his read of yomi as an idiotic towny playing scummy. But he seemed much, much more sure than I was (I mainly thought Zealos was safer lynch) I don’t see any reason for mafia to single themselves out this much, especially before yomi started revealing his accusation play. strikes me as TOWN. Zealos + Show Spoiler +I had originally thought scum, 100%. Now I think he may have been caught up in yomi’s play. Zealos didn’t set Maju up for yomi to accuse. It seems, now, rather Zealos got swept into the play. And the more he got accused, the more cynical he got. But Zealos has neither come up with a defense nor indirectly done so by contributing. As yomi pointed out (RIP), Zealos has still been setting up Maju. I’m at 75% right now, so for now FOS List FOS1. Zealos 2. Insectoceanx 3. Imallinson Better be town1. ArcticFox 2. oneplus + Show Spoiler + If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. + Show Spoiler + If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face Looking back at this post by nreekay, it gives me one fear. This fear is only in my mind if imallinson ends up not being mafia... If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face + Show Spoiler +Could this be the line that got nreekay killed? What if Arcticfox is mafia. Case: He has been most active in routing out lurkers in a game filled by lurkers. All the lurkers cannot be mafia, and if the mafia were not lurkers they would be pretty high above suspicion. Case in point, Arcticfox who has spent his entire time confronting lurkers and has never been suspected. The downside of lynch all lurkers is that the active mafia could put all suspicion on townies that lurk. That part of nreekays post is the only thing that makes him stand out in anyway, all of his other posts never really said much. Again this may just be complete bs, but I also share nreekays fear, if he is mafia we are all in a lot of trouble. He also called you out as scum in the same post, you know. If you want to build a case against me, go for it. There's almost 70 posts worth of material for you to work with. If your case is that I'm pressuring lurkers, you've got a long way to go.
As I said this is not a full strung theory, and since there was no lynch it has no evidence behind it all. With no info on so many players as they have not posted, and now not even voted it seems to me as a somewhat valid fear.
The question now is where do we go from here? We have 3 days before we can lynch again and we lose another townie tomorrow night.
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On April 28 2012 11:11 insectoceanx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 10:59 ArcticFox wrote:On April 28 2012 10:56 insectoceanx wrote:On April 25 2012 19:19 nreekay324 wrote:yomi flipped town, confirming his claim that he was making a play to get real discussion going. yomi had only the minimum 7/7 votes to be lynched, however. By acting crazy in the beginning, yomi singled himself out; as my first theory of Maju getting thrown under the bus is wrong (maybe), it seems more likely yomi was to be that easy target to get bussed. Some notes on yomi votes, may be more useful later in the game then now; + Show Spoiler +0-1 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
This seems highly unlikely. As a townie gaining so much suspicion early on, the mafia probably put him on their agenda and wanted to push us to mislynch him. Because of yomi’s early suspicion, early votes AGAINST him seem less suspicious as well. According to Midnight’s prelim vote count, some 6 hours before deadline, only 5 people had their vote on yomi, and not until somewhat close to the end 2 votes changed. As I previously mentioned, early votes against yomi would be less prone to suspicion, especially because there was a (so-so) case on him early on.
2-3 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
Seems extremely likely. The duration of yomi’s erratic play, probably a little over a day, would surely be long enough for two scum to make a case against him, and vote so. (or one make a case and another simply cite their support of someone else’s). The majority of the mafia would need to vote for yomi as he had the minimum 7/7. And with enough town support, it would be favorable to have someone NOT voting yomi, as a safety-card for when yomi flips green (2 votes). There is then always the consideration all 3 mafia voted for yomi, but it would be unfavorable to tunnel vision the votes.
WIFOM? + Show Spoiler + (Am i using WIFOM right?) As I was looking at the votes and writing this, I wanted to look at 0, 1, 2, 3, votes individually. But I realized this would be circular logic because I’d be making too many assumptions about the mafia’s agenda. However, I am convinced that the mafia worked to get yomi mis-lynched because yomi did so much of the mafia’s work for them. So some of my reads come from this likely motive.
That lead me to here.... some of my reads, and my reasoning 1. ArcticFox + Show Spoiler + First to vote yomi, but only after yomi has had enough time to make a case against himself. Also, he pressures everyone to vote yomi as the deadline approaches, insisting yomi’s play has been too scummy, and not acting erratically. Also, looking at his filter, I notice that AF posts are 1)plentiful, 2)insistent on good town discussion 3)provide pressure to lurkers 4)continously PRESSURES lurkers. And then this post + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 10:26 ArcticFox wrote:That quote *was* originally mine btw. It keeps getting credited to nreekay and I don't appreciate it. >.> Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 10:07 yomi wrote:
you are being way way way way too passive right now. post. a lot more. don't let anyone lurk. make them just post whatever's on their mind. this is SUPER stressful for mafia. mafia have to re-read their posts 10 times before posting and are super super careful about everything. making them have to give an opinion on everything is awful for a mafia. so punish (really punish, not just threaten) the lurkers hard and anyone that won't come out with near-constant lists of their reads on everyone and why. mafia hate hate hate that environment. on the other hand don't let it get super cluttered. just make everyone come out with frequent clear posts. last game you guys really almost had us on day 2. it was super scary how the posting was going. very organized, very clear, very concise. I just managed to discredit xatalos to win it but otherwise you guys had us made, many of the lists had 3 or 4 players picked of which 2 were mafia.
firm, aggressive, but reasoned and frequent posting is mafia's enemy. Really good advice that I don't want to go unnoticed. Our last game had over twice the amount of posting by this time, and it's hard to scumhunt when half the thread is inactive. He insists on being a strong pro-town voice and contributing to good town environment. strikes me as TOWN. Insectoceanx + Show Spoiler +I originally read insectoceanx as probably town, but this was mostly because he had the same read on Zealos as me, that Zealos is scum. However, insectoceanx then is the final vote on a vote change to get yomi lynched. This wasn’t the suspicious part, as I woke up a little before the deadline to scope out the yomi vote count. Insectoceanx could honestly have wanted to see what yomi flipped, as yomi’s ending play wasn’t really enough to redeem him ( and people weren’t around to discuss this, myself included). But then he posts this; + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 11:07 insectoceanx wrote:
That is all I have to say about changing my vote to yomi, I think zealos is the greatest chance of being scum at this point but yomi is close behind and I changed my vote to him for the sake of getting a lynch.
While I have not posted often, what I have posted is a collection of my thoughts from everything going on. These thoughts have not been one liners or contentless.
imallinson does make me a little suspicous with his last post being a little recap of what everyone else has discussed without adding anything of substance, he then votes for yomi, which i don't know if he is just jumping on the bandwagon at the end or not.
I agree with imallinson's assement that fox is not scum.
I am unsure of everyone else besides that zealos seems really scummy.
Maju is hard to read as most of what he said is in defence to yomi's erratic voting towards him. This came shortly after Night 1 began. Over half this post is insectoceanx defending himself, (Not sure of the grammar of 1st clause), trying to divert suspicion onto imallinson / zealos. I can’t analyze it much further, but this post seemed overly anxious in defending himself. SUSPICIOUS Imallinson + Show Spoiler + Bandwagon’d yomi, few posts.SUSPICIOUS Oneplus + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 16:09 oneplus wrote:
@Maju, Nreekay got the same read as me on Yomi which he’s an idiotic towny playing scummy. We are not protecting him, we want to bring out the fact that this is a possibility on his play. We should think out of the box and evaluating all the possibility, it is too early to make comfirmation that "Yomi is a scum" yet in my point of view. I just want everyone to think twice before yomi.
Maju, suspecting someone who is not defending you is not a good town play. He was the main, only supporter of yomi. Whether or not this was a scum “oh I called it, I must be town” play, I’m not sure. But I do know that in the above quote, he includes me in his read of yomi as an idiotic towny playing scummy. But he seemed much, much more sure than I was (I mainly thought Zealos was safer lynch) I don’t see any reason for mafia to single themselves out this much, especially before yomi started revealing his accusation play. strikes me as TOWN. Zealos + Show Spoiler +I had originally thought scum, 100%. Now I think he may have been caught up in yomi’s play. Zealos didn’t set Maju up for yomi to accuse. It seems, now, rather Zealos got swept into the play. And the more he got accused, the more cynical he got. But Zealos has neither come up with a defense nor indirectly done so by contributing. As yomi pointed out (RIP), Zealos has still been setting up Maju. I’m at 75% right now, so for now FOS List FOS1. Zealos 2. Insectoceanx 3. Imallinson Better be town1. ArcticFox 2. oneplus + Show Spoiler + If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. + Show Spoiler + If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face Looking back at this post by nreekay, it gives me one fear. This fear is only in my mind if imallinson ends up not being mafia... If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face + Show Spoiler +Could this be the line that got nreekay killed? What if Arcticfox is mafia. Case: He has been most active in routing out lurkers in a game filled by lurkers. All the lurkers cannot be mafia, and if the mafia were not lurkers they would be pretty high above suspicion. Case in point, Arcticfox who has spent his entire time confronting lurkers and has never been suspected. The downside of lynch all lurkers is that the active mafia could put all suspicion on townies that lurk. That part of nreekays post is the only thing that makes him stand out in anyway, all of his other posts never really said much. Again this may just be complete bs, but I also share nreekays fear, if he is mafia we are all in a lot of trouble. He also called you out as scum in the same post, you know. If you want to build a case against me, go for it. There's almost 70 posts worth of material for you to work with. If your case is that I'm pressuring lurkers, you've got a long way to go. As I said this is not a full strung theory, and since there was no lynch it has no evidence behind it all. With no info on so many players as they have not posted, and now not even voted it seems to me as a somewhat valid fear. The question now is where do we go from here? We have 3 days before we can lynch again and we lose another townie tomorrow night.
My theory is that they were afraid to shoot me because they were afraid of a medic possibly being there, so they shot into the town got INCREDIBLY lucky with a blue snipe. You can confirm that theory when I turn up dead tonight.
You'll also notice that his suspect list lines up right with mine -- imallinson, zealos, and you. I add in oneplus as a suspect because I wasn't as convinced that his posting was as good as people thought. Now, with oneplus being the reason that we couldn't get imallinson lynched, there's even more reason to suspect him.
I'm almost certain that 3 out of the 4 of you are the scum team. The rest of the night is just figuring out who's who before I'm shot.
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EBWOP -- I had town/null reads on the people that the no-voters replaced, with the exception of Draco who could be scum. Stossel could still be scum. Hard to tell when they don't post, so my job is to get my strongest scum read lynched first (imallinson), and hopefully the replacements post so we can figure out which side they're on.
It's all we can really do.
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I am sorry, I had every intention of voting, but I thought I had more time.
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On April 28 2012 12:05 Stossel wrote:
I am sorry, I had every intention of voting, but I thought I had more time.
Who were you going to vote for?
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Oh wow. Come on guys :X
We've essentially just wasted an entire day. Please say someone has the Triple Dayvig role?
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This sux when Ydriel and Gosser are not even participating
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