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On April 27 2012 21:19 insectoceanx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 15:40 Zealos wrote:
I'm fine with lynching a lurker
##ViteL imallinson
@Maju, I didn't see where you initially responded to my argument, and must have missed it, my apologies, however, coming up with a 2nd argument against someone is to add to the initial case. I am assuming you meant vote: and and not viteL. Any other reasoning behind why you want to vote imallinson other than he is a lurker? What else has stuck out for you?
Wow, just noticed this, wtf? o.O
Yeah, I meant vote, and not really, but I think we gotta lynch him due to the pure lack of posing.
Even if he isn't scum, it'll send a neat little message to anyone else that thinks they can slip under the radar.
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Oh and, ##Vote: Imallinson
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On April 28 2012 07:47 Zealos wrote:
Even if he isn't scum, it'll send a neat little message to anyone else that thinks they can slip under the radar.
Not sure how it sends that message when half the thread is doing it.
We lynch to hit scum, not send messages.
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I meant it as a side effect >.>
I just think it's a much better scum hunting environment when people are all posting actively, rather than watching the townie's squabble.
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On April 28 2012 07:36 Zealos wrote:
It seems all you've done recently is question and complain about me, along with half the thread (The other half attacking Immalision)
How can accuse me of only attacking you when I've called out EVERY lurker and asked questions of every single person who's posted in the past 3 days? O.o The only reason you feel like you're being tunneled is because you keep saying that ONE post cleared your name. It didn't. It made you seem a *little* less scummy. Then you attacked dream with some sarcastic bullshit when he made a valid point against you. That makes you more scummy. Then you kept defending yourself, badly, without asking any new questions, cluttering up the thread with worthless shit. That makes you MORE scummy.
It's frustrating how much you just flat out don't get it, and I almost wish I'd voted you instead of imallinson when I had the chance. I have to wait for tomorrow for your lynch now and keep hearing you repeat the same thing over and over and over.
My 3rd scum read behind you and imallinson is either oneplus or insectoceanx. Both have given me a lot of reason to be suspicious of them, and I outlined why in my post at the end of Night 1. If I had to pull the trigger on one of them at this exact moment, it would be insectoceanx. He's able to slip by posting trash that nobody's really looking at because the only conversation that's getting had is how scummy you still are.
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Alright well, I think I'll go back to lurking. People seem safer there, as opposed to the classic - More Activity = More Scummy mindset that occupies newbie games. The only reason that I keep defending myself, is that you keep attacking me. I have to say though, the people who don't respond when you call them out are much more likely to be town and we should all use them as a shining example. In fact, why would a townie ever even post in this game? It's so scummy afterall.
(Yeah, I'm back to being aggressive)
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Ofc, me being aggressive is a mafia trait, not a character one, so you should totally vote for me and not worry about anything else.
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On April 28 2012 08:13 Zealos wrote:
Alright well, I think I'll go back to lurking. People seem safer there, as opposed to the classic - More Activity = More Scummy mindset that occupies newbie games. The only reason that I keep defending myself, is that you keep attacking me. I have to say though, the people who don't respond when you call them out are much more likely to be town and we should all use them as a shining example. In fact, why would a townie ever even post in this game? It's so scummy afterall.
(Yeah, I'm back to being aggressive)
And it's these pointless gems that make you scum. If you're town, you're not playing to win at all.
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You really don't get it at all do you? It's irritating running round in circles with you while everyone else sits back with popcorn in hand. So yeah, those posts don't help town at all, but I'm annoyed, so I'm not in the mindset to care right about now.
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On April 28 2012 08:19 Zealos wrote:
You really don't get it at all do you? It's irritating running round in circles with you while everyone else sits back with popcorn in hand. So yeah, those posts don't help town at all, but I'm annoyed, so I'm not in the mindset to care right about now.
Then go somewhere, wash your face, relax, and come back when you're useful.
If you're actually town, giving us more ways to think you're scum is ridiculous.
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On April 28 2012 08:14 Zealos wrote:
Ofc, me being aggressive is a mafia trait, not a character one, so you should totally vote for me and not worry about anything else.
Do you *really* want me to go meta on you? Because I read your Mafia LI, where you acted exactly like this, and your GoT, where you were actually useful.
I can go into detail, if you really want this.
I'd prefer to end the distraction already myself.
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EBWOP -- Where you were scum in LI and blue in GoT
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Ok. Here is my current mindset
Whatever I posted gets scrutinised to the point where it makes me mafia. It genuinely feels like whatever I post is another way to think I am scum. I understand the mindset of pressuring an opponent till he cracks and makes a scumslip, but atm I am 95% sure you are town, so I can't pressure you to make you slip, so all I can try to do is convince you (And the rest of town) that I am on your side. The scumteam can just sit there laughing at us, ready to kill the most useful posters during the night.
So here is what I propose/have decided. Any more arguing between us will not promote a town environment. I am going to stop trying to defend myself from you until at least some of the lurkers have posted their thoughts on the current discussion. As it stands, most of town are voting Imallision. What do you think about that Imallision? Other towns, do you think I am scum? Give reasons, make arguments, and tell us who you want dead. To the 2 new players, why are you not scum? And if you're not, why are you not contributing *anything* not to mention things of use?
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On April 28 2012 08:29 Zealos wrote:
Ok. Here is my current mindset
So here is what I propose/have decided. Any more arguing between us will not promote a town environment. I am going to stop trying to defend myself from you until at least some of the lurkers have posted their thoughts on the current discussion. As it stands, most of town are voting Imallision. What do you think about that Imallision? Other towns, do you think I am scum? Give reasons, make arguments, and tell us who you want dead. To the 2 new players, why are you not scum? And if you're not, why are you not contributing *anything* not to mention things of use?
Thank God, this is all I asked you to do from the start.
It doesn't take much to seem town. All you have to do is not act like scum. This kind of thing is a GREAT start.
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On April 28 2012 07:47 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 21:19 insectoceanx wrote:On April 27 2012 15:40 Zealos wrote:
I'm fine with lynching a lurker
##ViteL imallinson
@Maju, I didn't see where you initially responded to my argument, and must have missed it, my apologies, however, coming up with a 2nd argument against someone is to add to the initial case. I am assuming you meant vote: and and not viteL. Any other reasoning behind why you want to vote imallinson other than he is a lurker? What else has stuck out for you? Wow, just noticed this, wtf? o.O Yeah, I meant vote, and not really, but I think we gotta lynch him due to the pure lack of posing. Even if he isn't scum, it'll send a neat little message to anyone else that thinks they can slip under the radar.
By this do you mean that absolutely the only reason for your vote is lurking or do you agree with other posters accusations of imallinson?
@Maju, I didn't see where you initially responded to my argument, and must have missed it, my apologies, however, coming up with a 2nd argument against someone is to add to the initial case.
Ok, I guess the part of my accusation corresponding to this can be ignored.
The part about you not contributing much content at the start still stands though. It is not explainable by ego. And why the sudden return to aggressive posting? I know you're being accused but there's no need to be acrimonious.
You do sound like a broken record. I could not be more clear about this. 1. You have no content, and your 2. tone goes back and forth between abrasive/abusive and friendly townie, 3. plus you didn't post anything for 2 straight days, saying "oh the content's coming, oh I'm just waiting for deadline....no wait, I'm actually asleep at deadline," then when the grand post came around, 4. it said nothing new, and 5. you've made no action to question people since then, only asking our opinions of your opinions, and 6. bristling every time someone mentions you're scum.
1. I have more content than a few people at least, so that shouldn't put me too high up top.
2. Me being human.
3. RL comes before Mafia, sorry.
4. When you say nothing new, you just mean I agree with some people. I said before, in a game as short of this, it's absurd to think I won't end up agreeing with people on some points.
5. I've wanted to focus on clearing my own name first.
6. I fail to see how this is a scum trait at all. It seems pretty irrelevant. Scum don't want people to think they are scum, but neither do town players.
1. The people you have more content than have barely posted at all. You have posted many times but still have little content.
2. Everyone else is human as well yet few have the tone swings you do. This is even further highlighted by your recent posts. If a post was aggressive why didn't you just wait a bit and calm down? There's no need to respond immediately.
4. You could both agree with people and post new content. You have not done the latter.
5. Once again, you could do both.
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1. So I have got more content than them? Good, thats what I thought.
2. Humans are not all equal. Look at my GoT mafia game. I was blue, and was just as *Volatile*
4. I don't have a great deal more to add. I've written about Draco/Stossel, which has new stuff to add to it.
5.. It's not awfully useful posting new content if everyone thinks I am scum. The most useful thing a town player can do is prove his innocence (Straight out of Ace's guide IIRC)
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On April 28 2012 08:37 Zealos wrote:
5.. It's not awfully useful posting new content if everyone thinks I am scum. The most useful thing a town player can do is prove his innocence (Straight out of Ace's guide IIRC)
Also straight out of Ace's guide, the best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum.
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Oh, and yes, as it stands I'm voting Imallinson due to his lurking. He's taken it to a somewhat extreme level, and is useless to the town whether he flips red or not.
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On April 28 2012 08:38 ArcticFox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 08:37 Zealos wrote:
5.. It's not awfully useful posting new content if everyone thinks I am scum. The most useful thing a town player can do is prove his innocence (Straight out of Ace's guide IIRC) Also straight out of Ace's guide, the best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum.
Fair enough, I should have focussed on that more. I'll bear that in mind. However, I think my scumlist for now is pretty clear.
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