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On May 05 2012 06:23 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +
Draco's first post was one of the scummiest I've seen. List-summary of the game, vague criticism of town, dissuading people from posting, giving no opinions on anyone. Zealos was a great night 1 vig shot - even if he was town, he was just going to waste a lynch.
Yeah, I have never played this game before and tried to both act against what I thought was great happening in the thread, and to divert attention from the Zealos attention. A clear lack of experience. However, I did find it odd that acting against what I thought was the best way, was perceived as scummy. Guess what works best is saying "I am scum", and this reversed psychology works wonders. Guess this game isn't my game. Though my warnings of obfuscation apparently worked while I obfuscated. Show nested quote +I figured the 3rd scum had to be either bussing the two scum id already found or completely inactive, turns out it was both. Had I been playing in this game, id have led the lynch on the first two, see who was hesitant to play along, then they die next. I would have loved, if you would have been in the game then.
We aren't shitting on your game, you're expected to be somewhat obvious to more experienced players as a first or second gamer.
We are pointing out to the town player that if they see posts like your first one in the future, they should react accordingly.
What comes naturally to newer scum is being passive, not making enemies, posting very neutral content. Basically keeping your head down while the town implodes. That is why we are looking for those very traits, hence why your first post caught our interest.
I heavily encourage you to sign up again, this 'is your game'. You (and your replacement) managed to survive the entire duration of the game, without attracting many votes along the way. That's your goal as scum, and you achieved it. It will be much more challenging next game, when you're faced with a more active town, but give it a try and see if you get hooked like most of us.
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On May 05 2012 09:51 ArcticFox wrote:
"Right now, based on what I perceive as "scum", over half the town could be scum."
Well, you were my only remaining town read by the end of day 2, so I'd say that's accurate 
If the whole town is playing scummy, all you can really do is pick a lynch and try to force it through. At least then it has less chance of being scum's choice of a lynch. However, in this game, there wasn't anything you could have done after the medic nightkill. It would have been impossible to lynch scum on day 2 due to the lurking and the majority rules.
And actually, I also *was* the driving force in town, just, as mentioned, my scumreading skills were godawful. I got yomi lynched D1, and I did my damnedest on Day 2 to get imallinson lynched, just nobody showed up to finish it off. =/
I think your biggest mistake in this game by far was your scum meta read on Yomi. I can't be sure what you're getting wrong there, but the basic principle of a one-game read is to look for the differences, not the similarities. It's the same person posting, so there will always be similarities. Yomi's play in this game was odd, but far townier by most metrics than his play in the last game.
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On May 05 2012 09:51 ArcticFox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:20 Dracolich70 wrote:On May 04 2012 23:36 ArcticFox wrote:On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
I felt bad shooting you Arctic. Real bad, you were the only one really posting much of anything. lol, hey, that's how the game goes. If you're mafia, you take out the top townies and make the rest sheep you. You did what you needed to to win. I will say you got crazy lucky N1 with that medic hit, else I would have made your Day 3 a living hell.  Of course, even as vet I would have been dead N2 since I got vig shot and mafia shot. So many bullet holes. x.x Here is mine line of thinking, ArcticFox: 1) Had Mutant continued playing, you would have been a bad kill, because you thought him to be very likely town. And being desperate, you needed to count on some. 2) The kill on you only meant a very little bit, because you were nearly the only active at the time it happened. Basically to kill the motivation of the town. 3) However, you really didn't do anything, but post. As active as you were, you could have pretty much been the driving force of the town(with FTD away), but you never were, just most active, and therefore most likely town, with few gonna question that. I hope you understand what I mean with this. If you thought you were gonna be killed, you should have guided the town somewhere other than inactivity(for the most part). Mafia basically just continued with that. 4) It was crazy lucky that Insect voted for Yomi. I had forgotten about the majority vote, and wasn't online after I gave my vote, so never read Scum QT till next day. That Nreekay was medic was a lucky hit, bluerole, not so much. He was aimed at for being read as one of the best players, though hadn't participated much, and what I thought was a breadcrumb - furthermore with little notice of him - and him on to Zealos, made him a good early kill - and most of my focus throughout was finding blueroles. It can't be done with so little without luck, and we were lucky to some degree, but not as much as you thought throughout, and you should have delved more into the kill, rather than just thinking it was a lucky hit, and now you could die. I really felt sorry for you, and from what you say, you have spent a lot of time into the game,but as it seems you didn't trust your own gut very much. And though I am more than certain wherebugsgo, have been a superb help in himself, it seemed to have a paralyzing effect on you. Of course I do take into account that your premises were very poor, and motivation would be hard. I didn't send messages to wbg until Night 2, where I was already fucked. XD And let me quote something from that PM that I sent him: "My weakness, on the other hand, is that my analysis skills are piss poor -- being the towniest town that ever towned a town is fucking useless if I sheep the town into lynching other town every time. Right now, based on what I perceive as "scum", over half the town could be scum." As JJ was mentioning earlier, I need to stick to my Day 1 reads harder and push those -- Zealos and Draco/Stossel would have been lynched Day 2 and 3 in that case. I end up WIFOMing and second-guessing myself all day. I didn't have anyone to bounce ideas off of either and keep me on the right track, because the only other person talking was scum. -_- That's why we have newbie games though, to learn. At least I didn't quit halfway through the game like some people. *glares in your general direction*And actually, I also *was* the driving force in town, just, as mentioned, my scumreading skills were godawful. I got yomi lynched D1, and I did my damnedest on Day 2 to get imallinson lynched, just nobody showed up to finish it off. =/ Yeah, I emoraged, and quit.
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On May 05 2012 11:35 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:23 Dracolich70 wrote:
Draco's first post was one of the scummiest I've seen. List-summary of the game, vague criticism of town, dissuading people from posting, giving no opinions on anyone. Zealos was a great night 1 vig shot - even if he was town, he was just going to waste a lynch.
Yeah, I have never played this game before and tried to both act against what I thought was great happening in the thread, and to divert attention from the Zealos attention. A clear lack of experience. However, I did find it odd that acting against what I thought was the best way, was perceived as scummy. Guess what works best is saying "I am scum", and this reversed psychology works wonders. Guess this game isn't my game. Though my warnings of obfuscation apparently worked while I obfuscated. I figured the 3rd scum had to be either bussing the two scum id already found or completely inactive, turns out it was both. Had I been playing in this game, id have led the lynch on the first two, see who was hesitant to play along, then they die next. I would have loved, if you would have been in the game then. We aren't shitting on your game, you're expected to be somewhat obvious to more experienced players as a first or second gamer. We are pointing out to the town player that if they see posts like your first one in the future, they should react accordingly. What comes naturally to newer scum is being passive, not making enemies, posting very neutral content. Basically keeping your head down while the town implodes. That is why we are looking for those very traits, hence why your first post caught our interest. I heavily encourage you to sign up again, this 'is your game'. You (and your replacement) managed to survive the entire duration of the game, without attracting many votes along the way. That's your goal as scum, and you achieved it. It will be much more challenging next game, when you're faced with a more active town, but give it a try and see if you get hooked like most of us. FTD acted on my post. And pretty much with those things you mention. Which was dead easy to bounce away. I wasn't really passive, and I did make "enemies". And I used that to manipulate. I pretty much wrote what I would be writing, if I was town in my opening post. And therein was my surprise, when FTD found it scummy. I found my way very unscumlike, because it was easy to blend into the crowd on day 1 with so many going at each other before I posted first time. I took another approach. Inexperienced, I think so.
Stossel(my replacement) picked up on it incredibly well, and used this with his opening post. He seems to have a greater understanding on Mafia.
Thanks for the encouragement, though, but I don't think my style mesh very well with Mafia. The game in itself, I still find very interesting.
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On May 05 2012 07:42 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:25 Dracolich70 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:16 jaj22 wrote:On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
On May 04 2012 23:30 Zealos wrote:
I don't know why I felt like playing so damn aggressive haha.
A note here: Aggression and obnoxiousness can and should be separated. Aggression is a town trait, while obnoxiousness without genuine aggression is a scum trait. Players posting abusive one-liners rather than clear accusations should be considered scummy. All traits can be simulated. They certainly can. However, there's a strong tendency for scum to play a quieter game for fear of making mistakes, and it's largely justified. The more content you post, the harder it is to keep your story straight. The longer you're in the spotlight, the more likely it is that someone notices your mistakes. The best way to play aggressive as scum is to do what Mutant tried: Call your scumbuddies as you'd see them as town. The disadvantage is that you can anger your scumbuddies and even end up using your hidden knowledge against your team. Sometimes your scumbuddies aren't as scummy as they look to you.Mutant totally killed my reads though. I normally rely on connection play with newbie games because newbie townies play so damn scummy Your disadvantage pretty much proves it isn't a good way to play.
And with so damn scummy newbie townies - well... then it is more strategically sound to make town insecure on each other, than directing town towards your scum mates.
Guess we see this game differently.
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