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On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
I felt bad shooting you Arctic. Real bad, you were the only one really posting much of anything.
lol, hey, that's how the game goes. If you're mafia, you take out the top townies and make the rest sheep you. You did what you needed to to win.
I will say you got crazy lucky N1 with that medic hit, else I would have made your Day 3 a living hell. 
Of course, even as vet I would have been dead N2 since I got vig shot and mafia shot. So many bullet holes. x.x
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This is so sad T.T I wan a lynch between draco and zealos since day2. Well sorry Arctic i shoot you because you are not supporting my proposal which is lynch between draco and zealos which make me think that you are in their gang.
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The problem with your case, oneplus, that it was based on a hypothesis on those that did not vote for Yomi. I don't understand how you could imagine a case from there, and with you among them with you saying "I am not mafia". You did this hypothesis after focusing on those that voted for Yomi. It wasn't really a case. With both Zealos and I making huge risks of Yomi not being lynched should have paid off, since it was very unscummy. Insect secured the lynch at the last moment, not Zealos or I.
It is more odd than the case from mallinson against me. Both easy to tear apart. Problem as I see it, is that town didn't do anything at all with the information being presented to them, and seemed like lost most of the game, and mostly asked someone else - "What do you think?", which in general meant they were lost, and didn't even bother to read what had been written and make an analysis of probability from there. Same goes with the most active Town player.
MVP for me was Stossel and with a wide margin. I know this game was hard, due to erratic plays, inactivity, replacements, but town seemed paralyzed for the most part.
The ending was poetic though; justice will prevail. A tear appeared in the corner of my eye, when FTD made a case against Insect.
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On May 05 2012 00:03 oneplus wrote:
This is so sad T.T I wan a lynch between draco and zealos since day2. Well sorry Arctic i shoot you because you are not supporting my proposal which is lynch between draco and zealos which make me think that you are in their gang.
First off, I was totally for a Zealos lynch. By the time you showed up in the day though, it was way too late to get the vote switched off (again, Extended Majority Lynch sucks T_T), so I stuck with the vote I thought I could get pushed through, seeing as I thought both were scum. Draco I wasn't sure about just yet, but I was getting there.
Second....why not shoot either Draco or Zealos then?!?!?! Shooting me made absolutely no sense. T_T
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I tried reading through the posts, but I don't get it.
Can someone give me a "For Dummies" explanation of this game. I wanna try.
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On May 05 2012 00:15 b0mBerMan wrote:
I tried reading through the posts, but I don't get it.
Can someone give me a "For Dummies" explanation of this game. I wanna try.
Here!
(and if its "too long to read" then you probably aren't cut out for mafia :-P)
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Or what GMarshal linked 
I'm happy to answer any questions if you wanna PM me though. Bear in mind I'm not a gosu player or anything ^^
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On May 04 2012 11:54 Stossel wrote:
As my first game, I felt really bad about scumreading people I knew were innocent. I'll definitely have to get over that!
I know what you mean. I got three townies killed in my first game and two of them didn't really deserve it
Inactivity is town's fault though. The only player you should really feel sorry for in this game is ArcticFox.
On May 04 2012 12:30 Adam4167 wrote:
I made 2/3 of the mafia team within the first hours of D1, but was stumped as to the 3rd (mutant/Ydriel), until he was mod-killed.
Draco's first post was one of the scummiest I've seen. List-summary of the game, vague criticism of town, dissuading people from posting, giving no opinions on anyone. Zealos was a great night 1 vig shot - even if he was town, he was just going to waste a lynch.
Unfortunately the remaining three townies at LYLO all played scummy from day 2 onwards, so even Zealos wasn't looking like certain scum at the end, what with Mutant bussing him. I think if I read a similar game in the future I'll put a much stronger priority on my day 1 reads.
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Yeah, spot on Jaj.
That first post from Dracholic pinged my scum radar badly. On top of everything you mentioned, it also emphasized how new he was and discouraged aggression from townies.
The main mark against Zealos from my perspective was that he just seemed to lack any drive to find scum. I mean being obnoxious and obstructive to town isn't helpful, but we have several regular players that are known for doing that as town, so that alone isn't indicative of him being scum.
I figured the 3rd scum had to be either bussing the two scum id already found or completely inactive, turns out it was both. Had I been playing in this game, id have led the lynch on the first two, see who was hesitant to play along, then they die next.
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On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
On May 04 2012 23:30 Zealos wrote:
I don't know why I felt like playing so damn aggressive haha.
A note here: Aggression and obnoxiousness can and should be separated. Aggression is a town trait, while obnoxiousness without genuine aggression is a scum trait. Players posting abusive one-liners rather than clear accusations should be considered scummy.
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Draco's first post was one of the scummiest I've seen. List-summary of the game, vague criticism of town, dissuading people from posting, giving no opinions on anyone. Zealos was a great night 1 vig shot - even if he was town, he was just going to waste a lynch.
Yeah, I have never played this game before and tried to both act against what I thought was great happening in the thread, and to divert attention from the Zealos attention. A clear lack of experience.
However, I did find it odd that acting against what I thought was the best way, was perceived as scummy. Guess what works best is saying "I am scum", and this reversed psychology works wonders.
Guess this game isn't my game. Though my warnings of obfuscation apparently worked while I obfuscated.
I figured the 3rd scum had to be either bussing the two scum id already found or completely inactive, turns out it was both. Had I been playing in this game, id have led the lynch on the first two, see who was hesitant to play along, then they die next. I would have loved, if you would have been in the game then.
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On May 05 2012 02:16 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:30 Zealos wrote:
I don't know why I felt like playing so damn aggressive haha.
A note here: Aggression and obnoxiousness can and should be separated. Aggression is a town trait, while obnoxiousness without genuine aggression is a scum trait. Players posting abusive one-liners rather than clear accusations should be considered scummy. All traits can be simulated.
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I wrongly assumed he was actually shot for being somewhat on the right track, blue sniping seems so silly
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Well, also that.
More or less, among the people on track, we though he was the most likely to be blue.
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Mutant answers are pretty spot on. There were a lot of reasons for the Nreekay kill. The element of surprise of killing him was one.
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On May 05 2012 06:25 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:16 jaj22 wrote:On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
On May 04 2012 23:30 Zealos wrote:
I don't know why I felt like playing so damn aggressive haha.
A note here: Aggression and obnoxiousness can and should be separated. Aggression is a town trait, while obnoxiousness without genuine aggression is a scum trait. Players posting abusive one-liners rather than clear accusations should be considered scummy. All traits can be simulated.
They certainly can. However, there's a strong tendency for scum to play a quieter game for fear of making mistakes, and it's largely justified. The more content you post, the harder it is to keep your story straight. The longer you're in the spotlight, the more likely it is that someone notices your mistakes.
The best way to play aggressive as scum is to do what Mutant tried: Call your scumbuddies as you'd see them as town. The disadvantage is that you can anger your scumbuddies and even end up using your hidden knowledge against your team. Sometimes your scumbuddies aren't as scummy as they look to you.
Mutant totally killed my reads though. I normally rely on connection play with newbie games because newbie townies play so damn scummy
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On May 04 2012 23:36 ArcticFox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
I felt bad shooting you Arctic. Real bad, you were the only one really posting much of anything. lol, hey, that's how the game goes. If you're mafia, you take out the top townies and make the rest sheep you. You did what you needed to to win. I will say you got crazy lucky N1 with that medic hit, else I would have made your Day 3 a living hell. Of course, even as vet I would have been dead N2 since I got vig shot and mafia shot. So many bullet holes. x.x Here is mine line of thinking, ArcticFox:
1) Had Mutant continued playing, you would have been a bad kill, because you thought him to be very likely town. And being desperate, you needed to count on some.
2) The kill on you only meant a very little bit, because you were nearly the only active at the time it happened. Basically to kill the motivation of the town.
3) However, you really didn't do anything, but post. As active as you were, you could have pretty much been the driving force of the town(with FTD away), but you never were, just most active, and therefore most likely town, with few gonna question that. I hope you understand what I mean with this. If you thought you were gonna be killed, you should have guided the town somewhere other than inactivity(for the most part). Mafia basically just continued with that.
4) It was crazy lucky that Insect voted for Yomi. I had forgotten about the majority vote, and wasn't online after I gave my vote, so never read Scum QT till next day. That Nreekay was medic was a lucky hit, bluerole, not so much. He was aimed at for being read as one of the best players, though hadn't participated much, and what I thought was a breadcrumb - furthermore with little notice of him - and him on to Zealos, made him a good early kill - and most of my focus throughout was finding blueroles. It can't be done with so little without luck, and we were lucky to some degree, but not as much as you thought throughout, and you should have delved more into the kill, rather than just thinking it was a lucky hit, and now you could die.
I really felt sorry for you, and from what you say, you have spent a lot of time into the game,but as it seems you didn't trust your own gut very much. And though I am more than certain wherebugsgo, have been a superb help in himself, it seemed to have a paralyzing effect on you. Of course I do take into account that your premises were very poor, and motivation would be hard.
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On May 05 2012 08:20 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:36 ArcticFox wrote:On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
I felt bad shooting you Arctic. Real bad, you were the only one really posting much of anything. lol, hey, that's how the game goes. If you're mafia, you take out the top townies and make the rest sheep you. You did what you needed to to win. I will say you got crazy lucky N1 with that medic hit, else I would have made your Day 3 a living hell. Of course, even as vet I would have been dead N2 since I got vig shot and mafia shot. So many bullet holes. x.x Here is mine line of thinking, ArcticFox: 1) Had Mutant continued playing, you would have been a bad kill, because you thought him to be very likely town. And being desperate, you needed to count on some. 2) The kill on you only meant a very little bit, because you were nearly the only active at the time it happened. Basically to kill the motivation of the town. 3) However, you really didn't do anything, but post. As active as you were, you could have pretty much been the driving force of the town(with FTD away), but you never were, just most active, and therefore most likely town, with few gonna question that. I hope you understand what I mean with this. If you thought you were gonna be killed, you should have guided the town somewhere other than inactivity(for the most part). Mafia basically just continued with that. 4) It was crazy lucky that Insect voted for Yomi. I had forgotten about the majority vote, and wasn't online after I gave my vote, so never read Scum QT till next day. That Nreekay was medic was a lucky hit, bluerole, not so much. He was aimed at for being read as one of the best players, though hadn't participated much, and what I thought was a breadcrumb - furthermore with little notice of him - and him on to Zealos, made him a good early kill - and most of my focus throughout was finding blueroles. It can't be done with so little without luck, and we were lucky to some degree, but not as much as you thought throughout, and you should have delved more into the kill, rather than just thinking it was a lucky hit, and now you could die. I really felt sorry for you, and from what you say, you have spent a lot of time into the game,but as it seems you didn't trust your own gut very much. And though I am more than certain wherebugsgo, have been a superb help in himself, it seemed to have a paralyzing effect on you. Of course I do take into account that your premises were very poor, and motivation would be hard.
I didn't send messages to wbg until Night 2, where I was already fucked. XD And let me quote something from that PM that I sent him:
"My weakness, on the other hand, is that my analysis skills are piss poor -- being the towniest town that ever towned a town is fucking useless if I sheep the town into lynching other town every time. Right now, based on what I perceive as "scum", over half the town could be scum."
As JJ was mentioning earlier, I need to stick to my Day 1 reads harder and push those -- Zealos and Draco/Stossel would have been lynched Day 2 and 3 in that case. I end up WIFOMing and second-guessing myself all day. I didn't have anyone to bounce ideas off of either and keep me on the right track, because the only other person talking was scum. -_-
That's why we have newbie games though, to learn.
At least I didn't quit halfway through the game like some people. *glares in your general direction*
And actually, I also *was* the driving force in town, just, as mentioned, my scumreading skills were godawful. I got yomi lynched D1, and I did my damnedest on Day 2 to get imallinson lynched, just nobody showed up to finish it off. =/
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