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Heading to bed. I really hope to hear from our other new members by the time I wake up. Goss has been lurking for 2 days, and we've yet to hear from Ydriel. Stossel, enjoy reading the thread and if anything else jumps out at you, feel free to chime in. There's 3 scum we need to find, after all.
I encourage everyone to start getting your votes in. We're over halfway through the day, and there's been some talking, but no voting. My vote's set and unlikely to change unless someone can really come up with a good reason why we shouldn't target imallinson.
If you have a different read you'd rather see lynched than imallinson, post your cases and lay your votes tonight. With 10 of us alive, we need 6 to agree to a lynch, and 3 of the remaining players are scum -- we have to be near consensus on a scum target to push the lynch through.
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imallinson
Imallinson has been heavily lurking this game. With 5 days of play gone he has only made 5 posts. Of these, the first post essentially mentioned two players and said that he was unsure of either of them. This added nothing to the game. His first act of any gravity was to vote for yomi but this vote was one of the last votes cast and yomi was already the most likely choice to get lynched.At this point voting for yomi was an extremely safe move for mafia as it was a common choice and a townie would be lynched. Now that we know yomi was townie this vote becomes more suspicious. Alone it might not be much but combined with the lurking and lack of solid posting it becomes suspicious. Looking back at the accusation against yomi, it initially seems to have content but reeally the only thing he used against yomi was
He then tries to defend his vote for maju and doesn't do very well at it. "Why not" isn't a sufficient answer and I'm not buying the pressure vote excuse. It was such a baseless accusation that maju would never felt any real pressure. Again this feels like someone trying to look like he is contributing while not doing anything of the sort.
I personally see this accusation:
The asking everyone to post their previous games is strange. If you actually wanted to read through people's previous games you would just go and do it, especially given that the people in this game will have at most 2 other games. This seems to me to be trying to look like he is contributing.
as rather weak.
Imallinson recently contributed new ideas with his voting for Dracho (Gossemerr). We can see though that all the information used against Dracho in this post was posted before imallinson's initial list of reads. Why, imallinson, was none of this observed earlier? Also, Dracho was initially imallinson's third choice for scum behind yomi and Zealos. After yomi died Dracho suddenly moved up to first choice over Zealos with no explanation why his suspicions over Zealos diminished. After imallinsons first content filled post he finger of suspicions' Zealos while all the evidence that he later uses to vote Dracholich has already been posted. Also, he posted a lot more evidence against Dracho then against yomi. Assuming allin read everyone's posts carefully, his initial vote should have been for Dracho with yomi as a second choice. Why did that not happen imallinson?
I think there is a chance that both Zealos and imallinson are both scum and that imallinson has been keeping Zealos as a second choice to avid suspicion then voted for townies.
Zealos
Similar to imallinson, Zealos has a lack of useful at the start before voting for me. Voting for me is not in itself suspicious. However, when I responded to his accusations he did not bother responding back. Unlike Dracho, who seemed to actually care about his words, Zealos just abandoned his initial accusations. Now his accusation of me is that I post little content, something that he did not mention at all in his initial post against me. The only reason not to rebut on my response to his accusations would be if I thoroughly convinced him I am not mafia. This obviously did not happen as he is still suspicious of me. I think that his initial vote on me was an attempt to start a movement against a townie. Once he realised his arguments were flawed, he decided to back off and never comment on them again but to still say he's suspicious of me so he is not questioned about a sudden change of heart. Also, I forgot to mention that though aggressiveness and one liners at the start of a game can be explained due to ego, a lack of useful posting cannot.
These two are my reads as mafia. I am as yet unsure whom I want to vote for.
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I did not think of ArcticFox's point that we need essentially a consensus on voting to get a mafia member lynched.
##Vote: imallinson
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I agree we need consensus to do this. Anyone who does not agree/imallinson lets hear from you.
##Vote: imallinson
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I'm fine with lynching a lurker
##ViteL imallinson
@Maju, I didn't see where you initially responded to my argument, and must have missed it, my apologies, however, coming up with a 2nd argument against someone is to add to the initial case.
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Surprisingly many of you has started to vote for immallinson but still think that zealos chances of being scum is quite high and have him inside you scumlist. I got no idea why why Zealos is always in the FoS list and scumlist and no one going to vote for him. I can see that immallinson is not contributing much and lurk pretty much. But same for Mutant suppose to be Ydriel now who has not post a single thing after the replacement. Insectoceanx has also coming out recently and been lurking pretty much but he don't sound so scummy for me yet.
@Arctic, You are my no.1 favourite townread. Mind to explain why Immallinson is a better lynch than zealos?
##Vote: Zealos
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Because at the moment the only remaining case is that at the very start I acted like a dick. I really don't see why I'm your vote when imallioson is the better lynch.
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On April 27 2012 15:43 oneplus wrote:
Surprisingly many of you has started to vote for immallinson but still think that zealos chances of being scum is quite high and have him inside you scumlist. I got no idea why why Zealos is always in the FoS list and scumlist and no one going to vote for him. I can see that immallinson is not contributing much and lurk pretty much. But same for Mutant suppose to be Ydriel now who has not post a single thing after the replacement. Insectoceanx has also coming out recently and been lurking pretty much but he don't sound so scummy for me yet.
@Arctic, You are my no.1 favourite townread. Mind to explain why Immallinson is a better lynch than zealos?
##Vote: Zealos
I would also like to hear why zealos is your vote as opposed to imallinson. We need 6 of 7 townies if mafia does not vote for mafia. So if you are going to vote for zealos convince us as to why he is a better vote than imallinson.
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On April 27 2012 15:40 Zealos wrote:
I'm fine with lynching a lurker
##ViteL imallinson
@Maju, I didn't see where you initially responded to my argument, and must have missed it, my apologies, however, coming up with a 2nd argument against someone is to add to the initial case.
I am assuming you meant vote: and and not viteL. Any other reasoning behind why you want to vote imallinson other than he is a lurker? What else has stuck out for you?
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On April 27 2012 15:43 oneplus wrote:
Surprisingly many of you has started to vote for immallinson but still think that zealos chances of being scum is quite high and have him inside you scumlist. I got no idea why why Zealos is always in the FoS list and scumlist and no one going to vote for him. I can see that immallinson is not contributing much and lurk pretty much. But same for Mutant suppose to be Ydriel now who has not post a single thing after the replacement. Insectoceanx has also coming out recently and been lurking pretty much but he don't sound so scummy for me yet.
@Arctic, You are my no.1 favourite townread. Mind to explain why Immallinson is a better lynch than zealos?
##Vote: Zealos
Along with most other people, I'm fairly convinced that both are scum. imallinson has basically given up on posting anything, so keeping him alive serves no purpose. It's not just that he lurks, it's that when he finally does post, the posts have 0 content.
Zealos, on the other hand, is still posting -- mind you, he still insists that the only thing that marked him as scummy was his aggression at the beginning, and feels no need to explain why over the past 3 days he's come up with a single list of reads that really didn't bring any new information to the table. He also continues to be aggressive without actually posting anything but continual over-defensive posts saying he's sick of being pointed out as scummy.
As mentioned, I could possibly be talked into Zealos today and imallinson tomorrow instead, but nobody's really brought up a good reason why we should do so. To me, and judging by most of the posting I've read, imallinson is the slam dunk today, and then we can hang Zealos tomorrow.
So let me turn that around on you -- you don't even have imallinson in your list of lynch candidates for today. Why is that? Do you believe imallinson is actually town? Or do you have a null read on him? Or is there some other reason we shouldn't hang him today?
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I've told you my thoughts, what else would you like to know from me?
I want to help and contribute, but there's only so much you can analyse till new info emerges.
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There are still too many lurkers here. While mutant has made at least one decent post, his replacement Ydriel hasn't posted at all yet. Gossemerr has posted this meanwhile, which somehow slipped my eye:
+ Show Spoiler +Hi everyone. I will get caught up to speed and be posting tomorrow. I did read a little bit though, and just want to comment on this:
On April 25 2012 11:03 ArcticFox wrote:
*sigh* gg As promised, I'm extremely disappointed in your Day 1. I see your thought process, but it's too antagonistic to get people to trust you.
Unfortunately, the result of that is that we've lost an extremely active townie, in a game where most people are lurking like it's the Brood War.
Going mostly silent for the Night. I'll post something close to the deadline, in case I'm shot.
Please don't do this. Post as much as you can. We need to be active if we want to make an accurate assessment on people's alignments. NOBODY should be worried about dying or saying anything that might get them killed. An active town discussion is what we need. Not posting allows the scum to just sit around without having to contribute.
So, lets get the discussion's, analyses, and POST-based cases going starting this night.
He encouraged people (and specifically ArcticFox, out of all possibilities) to post more, promised to post the day after, and follows it up with no post at all. I think that is the first time I saw a lurker calling out people to post more, and it strikes me as extremely weird, as if he saw how easy it is to survive while lurking.
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Between Zealos and imallinson, one thought I had is that Zealos clearly isn't disinterested in the game - however, his main interest is insisting that suspicions against him are unfounded. The bandwagon against imallinson is going too fast currently. I did say that he was one of my prime suspects too, as his posts really looked as if he pretended to contribute, but now we are comparing that to people who don't even do that (and to a very defensive Zealos). I really want to hear from those.
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I really genuinely want to know what the current suspicions against me are. I may sound like a broken record, but I'd quite like to clear my name for future posts. I gather it's just from a lack of content so far?
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On April 28 2012 04:18 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Between Zealos and imallinson, one thought I had is that Zealos clearly isn't disinterested in the game - however, his main interest is insisting that suspicions against him are unfounded. The bandwagon against imallinson is going too fast currently. I did say that he was one of my prime suspects too, as his posts really looked as if he pretended to contribute, but now we are comparing that to people who don't even do that (and to a very defensive Zealos). I really want to hear from those.
Our replacements have yet to vote. They're 4 hours away from a modkill. If they're all town, it's an autoloss if that happens, unless the imallinson lynch goes through. Which also won't happen if they're all town.
We need 2 more votes to push the imallinson lynch through. imallinson won't vote for himself (and likely won't show up anyway), so that leaves Dr3am, oneplus, and (hopefully) the replacements. We're almost certainly hitting scum with this lynch. I don't see the downside to an imallinson lynch, unless your read is neutral/town on him. If he's scum to you, it should be an easy lynch -- I'm unsure of why it matters that we lynch Zealos first.
For what it's worth, Zealos is at the very least active. It's enough to put a *hint* of doubt to his scumminess in my mind. A further reason I'm more comfortable with an imallinson lynch. Also the fact that with 4 hours left and the activity level of the thread, a change to a Zealos lynch at this point would be impossible.
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On April 28 2012 07:13 Zealos wrote:
I really genuinely want to know what the current suspicions against me are. I may sound like a broken record, but I'd quite like to clear my name for future posts. I gather it's just from a lack of content so far?
You do sound like a broken record. I could not be more clear about this. You have no content, and your tone goes back and forth between abrasive/abusive and friendly townie, plus you didn't post anything for 2 straight days, saying "oh the content's coming, oh I'm just waiting for deadline....no wait, I'm actually asleep at deadline," then when the grand post came around, it said nothing new, and you've made no action to question people since then, only asking our opinions of your opinions, and bristling every time someone mentions you're scum.
How exactly are we supposed to react to that kind of player?
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EBWOP -- Let's approach this another way. You're up for am imallinson lynch. Who's your #2? You've made 2 half-cases on Maju and have an FoS on Draco, but I don't know who you'd rather see hang. Is it one of them or is it someone else? And why?
Also what, to you, constitutes scummy behavior, if it's not lurking hard, posting no content, and waffling back and forth between being helpful or "being a dick" as you say.
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EBWOP #2 -- Using lurking as a scumtell at this point is more or less useless with so many lurkers, but with the information we have so far, I still have very strong scumreads based on other factors -- basically the uselessness of the posting that *has* been done. Without using lurkiness as a crutch alone, figure out who's your best scum.
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On April 27 2012 10:03 ArcticFox wrote:
Stossel -- welcome to the game! Love the first post. Easy question for you, to get you into the flow -- your predecessor seemed to have many, many, MANY things to say about Maju. What are your thoughts on him?
Taking a closer look at Maju's filter, my biggest suspicion would be that he reacts to any bit of heat. He responded vigorously to draco's accusation but I didn't really see that draco's case picking up steam among everyone else. I wouldn't use this alone as my basis for a scumread though, and I'm leaning more toward nervous townie at the moment.
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On April 28 2012 07:19 ArcticFox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 07:13 Zealos wrote:
I really genuinely want to know what the current suspicions against me are. I may sound like a broken record, but I'd quite like to clear my name for future posts. I gather it's just from a lack of content so far? You do sound like a broken record. I could not be more clear about this. 1. You have no content, and your 2. tone goes back and forth between abrasive/abusive and friendly townie, 3. plus you didn't post anything for 2 straight days, saying "oh the content's coming, oh I'm just waiting for deadline....no wait, I'm actually asleep at deadline," then when the grand post came around, 4. it said nothing new, and 5. you've made no action to question people since then, only asking our opinions of your opinions, and 6. bristling every time someone mentions you're scum. How exactly are we supposed to react to that kind of player?
1. I have more content than a few people at least, so that shouldn't put me too high up top.
2. Me being human.
3. RL comes before Mafia, sorry.
4. When you say nothing new, you just mean I agree with some people. I said before, in a game as short of this, it's absurd to think I won't end up agreeing with people on some points.
5. I've wanted to focus on clearing my own name first.
6. I fail to see how this is a scum trait at all. It seems pretty irrelevant. Scum don't want people to think they are scum, but neither do town players.
It seems all you've done recently is question and complain about me, along with half the thread (The other half attacking Immalision)
So I want to ask everyone, if me and Imallision became immortal for the day, who gets your vote, and give reasons. Anyone posting a name without any thoughts with it becomes super suspicious. Obviously I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I will be choosing: Stossel
His first and only post since replacing in involves regurgitating arguments that people have made time and time again, and not to mention - Pre-replacement, he was under a lot of pressure, and then out'ed for seemingly no reason. I don't know if this sort of meta argument should be used, but it certainly seems... odd. Not enough for me to lynch in front of Imallision, as I would like to give the new guy a chance to at least give some reads and what not, but he takes 2nd place by a cinch.
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On April 28 2012 07:25 ArcticFox wrote:
EBWOP -- Let's approach this another way. You're up for am imallinson lynch. Who's your #2? You've made 2 half-cases on Maju and have an FoS on Draco, but I don't know who you'd rather see hang. Is it one of them or is it someone else? And why?
haha, ninja'd
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