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Stossel
Profile Joined February 2009
United States47 Posts
April 30 2012 12:12 GMT
#341
We've lost Arctic, and he was a fairly obvious choice for a hit for a variety of reasons. I think we should stay the course tonight, nothing said previously is negated by missing a vote and I won't rehash it here. It's my fault for missing the vote, though even if I had voted for imallinson at the time (as he was my top scumread), he would've still needed another vote to actually be lynched.

Furthermore, the lynching of Arctic only serves to make an imallinson vote more worthwhile. The failure to lynch was not due to lack of suspicion and so scum could've easily kept Arctic alive another night to push imallinson for another lynching if he was town and used their hit to focus on someone else.

##Vote: imallinson
insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
April 30 2012 12:22 GMT
#342
@Zealos

You voted for imallinson before? Why are you voting for me now?

@Townspeople

We all need consensus to get a lynch through, as stossel said above me, sticking to the plan is important as
Furthermore, the lynching of Arctic only serves to make an imallinson vote more worthwhile. The failure to lynch was not due to lack of suspicion and so scum could've easily kept Arctic alive another night to push imallinson for another lynching if he was town and used their hit to focus on someone else.
Stossel
Profile Joined February 2009
United States47 Posts
April 30 2012 13:56 GMT
#343
On April 30 2012 21:12 Stossel wrote:

Furthermore, the lynching of Arctic...
##Vote: imallinson


EBWOP - I meant killing
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 30 2012 15:11 GMT
#344
On April 30 2012 21:22 insectoceanx wrote:
@Zealos

You voted for imallinson before? Why are you voting for me now?

@Townspeople

We all need consensus to get a lynch through, as stossel said above me, sticking to the plan is important as
Show nested quote +
Furthermore, the lynching of Arctic only serves to make an imallinson vote more worthwhile. The failure to lynch was not due to lack of suspicion and so scum could've easily kept Arctic alive another night to push imallinson for another lynching if he was town and used their hit to focus on someone else.

Because you irritate me big time. How dare you come back after being a complete lurker, only to call the only people who bothered keeping town active mafia.
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ForTheDr3am
Profile Joined November 2010
842 Posts
April 30 2012 15:27 GMT
#345
On April 30 2012 21:12 Stossel wrote:Furthermore, the lynching of Arctic only serves to make an imallinson vote more worthwhile. The failure to lynch was not due to lack of suspicion and so scum could've easily kept Arctic alive another night to push imallinson for another lynching if he was town and used their hit to focus on someone else.


What does keeping Arctic alive over the night have to do with lynching imallison during the day? As we can see right now, it is easy enough for an imallison lynch to happen anyways.
Speaking of logic I can't follow, there is also this here.

On April 30 2012 10:50 insectoceanx wrote:
Also, since the replacements did not vote, the mafia must be someone who is still active.


Since when does lurking mean that you are town? For all we know they might just have had some legit reasons to disappear regardless of whether they are town or not.

Overall, I think that mafia got the best deal out of the last voting. A bandwagon on imallinson that still resulted in no-lynch means that we have no additional information to go on today, not to mention the overall inactivity. I would like a statement from oneplus as to why he did not switch votes, as he never claimed he had a townread on imallinson and only said that his scumread on Zealos is stronger - but no reason as to why not lynch the (at that point) lurking imallinson.
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
April 30 2012 16:31 GMT
#346
On April 30 2012 21:22 insectoceanx wrote:
We all need consensus to get a lynch through, as stossel said above me, sticking to the plan is important as

What exactly is the plan. Because if it is blindly going along the same path as yesterday that isn't helpful. Along with this

On April 30 2012 10:50 insectoceanx wrote:
Also, since the replacements did not vote, the mafia must be someone who is still active.

Your recent posting doesn't make much sense unless you are trying to get town to blindly follow you into lynching an easy town target (me).
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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
April 30 2012 16:45 GMT
#347
@Maju

He's almost made it his job to be useless to town. Had absolutely no opinion on anybody in town in his big summary post ("seems town, seems scum, null read, might be scum" etc etc -- you can check his filter and read it, it's not hard to find in his 4 posts), except for yomi, who he bandwagoned onto very easily. He had an FoS on Zealos after that, then decided to make his 3rd post on....Dracolich? He has volunteered no other opinions seperate from when I asked him directly about Zealos and oneplus, and his post there was STILL the "leaning town" and "fairly scummy" non-commital posting style he's done.


My summary was Day 1 and given the quietness of the thread it would have been hard to make any definite claims about people that early. If I had said I'm sure x is scum then nobody would listen because I'm obviously talking crap. In general I don't like saying people are definitely scum unless it's actually that obvious. Day 1 I was sure Yomi was scum which is why I voted for him and the same Day 2 with Draco. I'm still sure Stossel is scum.

##Vote: Stossel

imallinson has been heavily lurking this game. With 5 days of play gone he has only made 5 posts. Of these, the first post essentially mentioned two players and said that he was unsure of either of them. This added nothing to the game. His first act of any gravity was to vote for yomi but this vote was one of the last votes cast and yomi was already the most likely choice to get lynched.At this point voting for yomi was an extremely safe move for mafia as it was a common choice and a townie would be lynched. Now that we know yomi was townie this vote becomes more suspicious. Alone it might not be much but combined with the lurking and lack of solid posting it becomes suspicious. Looking back at the accusation against yomi, it initially seems to have content but reeally the only thing he used against yomi was
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He then tries to defend his vote for maju and doesn't do very well at it. "Why not" isn't a sufficient answer and I'm not buying the pressure vote excuse. It was such a baseless accusation that maju would never felt any real pressure. Again this feels like someone trying to look like he is contributing while not doing anything of the sort.

I personally see this accusation:
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The asking everyone to post their previous games is strange. If you actually wanted to read through people's previous games you would just go and do it, especially given that the people in this game will have at most 2 other games. This seems to me to be trying to look like he is contributing.

as rather weak.


My case against Yomi wasn't the strongest but it was intended to be adding to the cases made by others.

Imallinson recently contributed new ideas with his voting for Dracho (Gossemerr). We can see though that all the information used against Dracho in this post was posted before imallinson's initial list of reads. Why, imallinson, was none of this observed earlier? Also, Dracho was initially imallinson's third choice for scum behind yomi and Zealos. After yomi died Dracho suddenly moved up to first choice over Zealos with no explanation why his suspicions over Zealos diminished. After imallinsons first content filled post he finger of suspicions' Zealos while all the evidence that he later uses to vote Dracholich has already been posted. Also, he posted a lot more evidence against Dracho then against yomi. Assuming allin read everyone's posts carefully, his initial vote should have been for Dracho with yomi as a second choice. Why did that not happen imallinson?


It's mainly because I hadn't paid much attention to Draco Day 1. With Yomi posting so aggressively and the back and forth between you and him his posts didn't register. It was only after I went back over everyone's filters Day 2 that I noticed Draco.
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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
April 30 2012 16:48 GMT
#348
On May 01 2012 00:11 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 21:22 insectoceanx wrote:
@Zealos

You voted for imallinson before? Why are you voting for me now?

@Townspeople

We all need consensus to get a lynch through, as stossel said above me, sticking to the plan is important as
Furthermore, the lynching of Arctic only serves to make an imallinson vote more worthwhile. The failure to lynch was not due to lack of suspicion and so scum could've easily kept Arctic alive another night to push imallinson for another lynching if he was town and used their hit to focus on someone else.

Because you irritate me big time. How dare you come back after being a complete lurker, only to call the only people who bothered keeping town active mafia.


If you are going to vote for someone make a case for it. Saying someone irritates you isn't going to convince anyone to vote for them which means your vote will be a waste.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 30 2012 17:20 GMT
#349
The vote will be a waste anyway considering no one is around to make one. If it looks like we might actually get a lynch done then I'll change it.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 30 2012 17:21 GMT
#350
Two updates
1.) For this round of voting people who do not vote will not be counted towards the total of players. (e.g. if we have 10 players and 3 don't vote then I'll pretend there are only 7 players and the majority to lynch will be 4)

2.) Anyone who fails to vote this round will be modkilled and removed. They will be flipped with the night post.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 30 2012 17:25 GMT
#351
##Vote: imallinson

Thank you mods <3
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ForTheDr3am
Profile Joined November 2010
842 Posts
April 30 2012 19:09 GMT
#352
On April 30 2012 10:50 insectoceanx wrote:
Also, since the replacements did not vote, the mafia must be someone who is still active.


I originally wanted to wait a bit, but I figured I wouldn't get an explanation for this statement anyways.

Let us examine it. He says that the inactive people did not vote and are therefore not mafia, implying that mafia would have voted for imallinson (as votes on anyone else would have made no difference).

Now, in which situations would mafia vote for imallinson? Certainly, only if he was town, as they would have little reason to bus a scumbuddy if not absolutely necessary.
However, insectoceanx thinks that imallinson is mafia, else he would not vote for him himself. The only explanation I see here is that he made a scumslip: He knows that imallinson is town, and thoughtlessly writes the above knowing that at least he tried to mislynch imallinson.

If anyone has any alternate theories, I'm all ear. For now,

##Vote: insectoceanx

imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
April 30 2012 20:36 GMT
#353
@Zealos

I'm not really understanding your voting. Why would people not voting not being counted make you change your vote? Before that I could understand voting for me over insect because I'm much more likely to get 5 votes without everyone voting. You changing your vote after that decision doesn't make much sense to me. It's not necessarily scummy but I can't make much sense of it. Care to explain?
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MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
April 30 2012 20:37 GMT
#354
##Vote: imallinson
Keeping my vote from last time. He still hasn't responded to one of the arguments I quoted and has lurked.
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
April 30 2012 20:38 GMT
#355
On May 01 2012 05:37 MajuGarzett wrote:
##Vote: imallinson
Keeping my vote from last time. He still hasn't responded to one of the arguments I quoted and has lurked.


I responded to both the posts you quoted.
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oneplus
Profile Joined October 2010
Malaysia34 Posts
April 30 2012 21:28 GMT
#356
##Vote: insectoceanx
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
April 30 2012 21:50 GMT
#357
Given that my vote will be wasted on Stossel at the moment and insect's recent posting I'm changing my vote.

##Unvote
##Vote: insectocenax
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insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
April 30 2012 22:53 GMT
#358
On May 01 2012 00:11 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 21:22 insectoceanx wrote:
@Zealos

You voted for imallinson before? Why are you voting for me now?

@Townspeople

We all need consensus to get a lynch through, as stossel said above me, sticking to the plan is important as
Furthermore, the lynching of Arctic only serves to make an imallinson vote more worthwhile. The failure to lynch was not due to lack of suspicion and so scum could've easily kept Arctic alive another night to push imallinson for another lynching if he was town and used their hit to focus on someone else.

Because you irritate me big time. How dare you come back after being a complete lurker, only to call the only people who bothered keeping town active mafia.



I'm sorry I may have said that wrong before. What I meant is that the people who did not vote are probably not mafia. It would seem really unfair if the mods let them get by with lynching people at nignt and not posting anything or voting all day. Therefore by active I meant anyone who has posted anything. I was not meaning to point the finger at the most active of the players.
insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
April 30 2012 23:07 GMT
#359
EBWOP:

Also since none of the replacements who didnt vote havn't said anything its much harder to form a case against them and get consensus.

Meanwhile imallinson has posted very little of substance and has been a prime subject. He was arcticfox's prime suspect and he was lynched after the failed vote.


On May 01 2012 01:31 imallinson wrote:
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On April 30 2012 21:22 insectoceanx wrote:
We all need consensus to get a lynch through, as stossel said above me, sticking to the plan is important as

What exactly is the plan. Because if it is blindly going along the same path as yesterday that isn't helpful. Along with this

Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 10:50 insectoceanx wrote:
Also, since the replacements did not vote, the mafia must be someone who is still active.

Your recent posting doesn't make much sense unless you are trying to get town to blindly follow you into lynching an easy town target (me).


Why isnt lynching you a good plan? The only reason you werent lynched was because so many people didnt vote. Just because people did not vote all of a sudden proves your innocence?

i don't think all the pages of discussion about you is making the town blindly follow. Of course you are an easy town target as anyone could tell looking at your filter.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
May 01 2012 00:42 GMT
#360
On May 01 2012 05:38 imallinson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2012 05:37 MajuGarzett wrote:
##Vote: imallinson
Keeping my vote from last time. He still hasn't responded to one of the arguments I quoted and has lurked.


I responded to both the posts you quoted.

Ahh, sorry. I was reading quickly before leaving for school and assumed the post ended when you voted.

I'll think about who I'm voting for now. Its hard to accuse people on things other than lurking when they don't post.

I'm not withdrawing my vote yet as I still have suspicions that imallinson may not be telling the truth when he said that he did not look at the filters closely. If there are any good cases my vote may change.
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