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On April 12 2012 06:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
wbg, gonzaw, ET: I would appreciate it if you would comment on my 1-for-1 reasoning with regards to VE's claim I disagree with it completely. If I were in VE's position I'd be completely fine with claiming and then trying to go for 1 for 1, because chances are strong you can wriggle yourself out of a second lynch with effort just as you got out of the first one. In fact I myself have done this in the past and VE, like me, is a very active scum player. It's not easy by any means, but because future lynches are uncertain by virtue of being in the future, if VE thought as scum he had no choice but to sac himself based on the amount of flak he was getting, he would have done anything in his power just to get anyone but himself lynched today. Your argument breaks when you consider the fact that I was heaping a lot of pressure on VE before he even claimed. This indicates to VE that he's going to take lynch pressure (i.e. that he's probably going to die) as scum in that position all you want to do is live. So, he did the best thing scum could do in that position: he destroyed the thread with walls of texts and he made a claim that noobs and sheep would believe. In addition, VE's behavior extends beyond a simple kill trade. If Toad is town and VE is scum and we kill Toad today, we waste TWO FULL cycles by focusing solely on two players. Day 3 will be a complete wash if our target today is town. In fact, on day 3 if one of these guys flips town I'm sure everyone will be wondering if the other guy is town too! This sort of situation happens very often (just look at game of thrones) and it isn't as simple as "this is a 1 for 1 trade that scum would never do!" There are clear advantages to VE's play from a scum perspective and those advantages would have already started taking effect, if he indeed is scum.
Ok, then presumably you think VE is the sort of player who would crack 30+ hours before voting ends in a situation where is extremely far from certain he would get lynched?
One more thing - "he destroyed the thread" - perhaps, perhaps not - it's generated a lot of discussion. But it also shoots himself in the foot because he made 2 large cases against Toad shortly before his claim which have also been buried. I don't see how this helps him.
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On April 11 2012 16:19 wherebugsgo wrote:johnnywup your vote is not formatted correctly in the voting thread. VE dies today, here's a quick rundown of why: Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
I actually think you're right, Toad. VE might very well be scum.
VE is there a particular reason you're going after Toad and not...iunno, Hassy, or ghost, or anyone else who would fit the scum bill? I don't see why Toad looks like scum to you at all. Here's what I ask VE. Here's how he responds: Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well for one, I think he's scum and you don't... That's not a reason for Toad being scum. Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
his flip will give me information about you because I think he's VERY CLEARLY scum, and you lived today. That's not a reason either. In fact, it's fucking awful. Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
While it's true that his flip doesn't say anything concrete about your alignment, it would explain why we're of one mind about Hassybaby and not Toad, Hold on a second here...wtf??!!? Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
his flip will give me information about you Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
While it's true that his flip doesn't say anything concrete about your alignment, LOL also, this: Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 07:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
Only scum care more about which lynch will "give more info" rather than actually trying to lynch the guy...oh I dunno...that is actually more likely to be scum. Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
when Hassybaby actually looks more town and Toad actually looks more scum after the night activity.
Again not a reason, and using night actions to incriminate someone? Really? If anything is incriminating about the night actions it's that YOU didn't die. Also, you don't even explain how the night actions incriminate toad at all. This is just bullshit. Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's the PRIMARY reason, if you want to get down to brass tacks bugs. LOL there wasn't a reason in there! Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Secondly, I'm more confident that Toad will flip scum now especially given his OMGUS reaction to my vote on him today...so in spite of me saying that I could be convinced to switch to Hassy earlier, you can pretty much seal that with a kiss and send it home to mama. You're more confident that Toad is scum because he did what anyone would do when a shitty case is presented against them? gg, you just fucked up huge.
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On April 12 2012 06:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:On April 12 2012 06:29 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: You also disregard the fact that VE was a target for lynching prior to his claim. If he's going down he might as well wreak as much havoc as possible. Your logic is atrocious marvel :/ No, yours is atrocious and it's unsubstantiated based trying to say which side he's on. I am trying to work out the consistent results for BOTH sides. There's a reason I didn't ask you for your thoughts, and it is because I consider your thoughts as worthless, based on every game I've read with you in it. LOL, coming from the most worthless player in this game that got to hurt Risen...
Indeed it does, but let's not rise to a clear scum poster. Nigh on confirmed scum for town to lynch/kill if I'm offed tonight.
VE, Jitsu, Gonzaw, johnnywup, and marvellosity!
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On April 12 2012 06:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:On April 12 2012 06:29 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: You also disregard the fact that VE was a target for lynching prior to his claim. If he's going down he might as well wreak as much havoc as possible. Your logic is atrocious marvel :/ No, yours is atrocious and it's unsubstantiated based trying to say which side he's on. I am trying to work out the consistent results for BOTH sides. There's a reason I didn't ask you for your thoughts, and it is because I consider your thoughts as worthless, based on every game I've read with you in it. LOL, coming from the most worthless player in this game that got to hurt Risen...
I'm guessing the irony of this just whooshes over you.
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Those are all rhetorical questions I'm not supposed to answer - they're asked designed to prove your point...I can't respond to things like "wtf" and "what kind of play is that?"
Fucking my play motherfucker what do you want me to say?
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also wbg: I'd appreciate an answer, trying to get my thoughts fleshed out on this
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On April 12 2012 06:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 12 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
wbg, gonzaw, ET: I would appreciate it if you would comment on my 1-for-1 reasoning with regards to VE's claim I disagree with it completely. If I were in VE's position I'd be completely fine with claiming and then trying to go for 1 for 1, because chances are strong you can wriggle yourself out of a second lynch with effort just as you got out of the first one. In fact I myself have done this in the past and VE, like me, is a very active scum player. It's not easy by any means, but because future lynches are uncertain by virtue of being in the future, if VE thought as scum he had no choice but to sac himself based on the amount of flak he was getting, he would have done anything in his power just to get anyone but himself lynched today. Your argument breaks when you consider the fact that I was heaping a lot of pressure on VE before he even claimed. This indicates to VE that he's going to take lynch pressure (i.e. that he's probably going to die) as scum in that position all you want to do is live. So, he did the best thing scum could do in that position: he destroyed the thread with walls of texts and he made a claim that noobs and sheep would believe. In addition, VE's behavior extends beyond a simple kill trade. If Toad is town and VE is scum and we kill Toad today, we waste TWO FULL cycles by focusing solely on two players. Day 3 will be a complete wash if our target today is town. In fact, on day 3 if one of these guys flips town I'm sure everyone will be wondering if the other guy is town too! This sort of situation happens very often (just look at game of thrones) and it isn't as simple as "this is a 1 for 1 trade that scum would never do!" There are clear advantages to VE's play from a scum perspective and those advantages would have already started taking effect, if he indeed is scum. Ok, then presumably you think VE is the sort of player who would crack 30+ hours before voting ends in a situation where is extremely far from certain he would get lynched? One more thing - "he destroyed the thread" - perhaps, perhaps not - it's generated a lot of discussion. But it also shoots himself in the foot because he made 2 large cases against Toad shortly before his claim which have also been buried. I don't see how this helps him.
this is not a lot of "discussion"
this is a lot of absolutely nothing. You can read a full 20+ pages and they're all full of shit flinging between the Toad and VE camps. This day has degenerated into Toad vs VE almost solely because VE went on a rampage after he realized he was doomed, and because Toad is the type of person to respond to such an accusation with massive posts of his own.
If there is a single townie that scum would benefit the most out of accusing, it's Toad, because he says stupid stuff all the time and because when he's accused he tends to OMGUS and then destroy the thread with you. I would know, because I as scum do it myself.
How the hell does blowing up the thread correlate with VE shooting himself in the foot? His scum team probably loves him right now, other than the fact that he'll die. Scum love chaos.
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In Arkham City Radfield faked claimed DT and bussed Sheth. VE and WBG were well aware of it because they were mafia that game. It's reasonable to suspect that Toad and VE this game are Mafia. As I said I think Toad is more suspicious and most of my analysis have been on him. That's why I'm voting for him.
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Actually, no....let me try. I'll be fair because I expect you to be fair.
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On April 12 2012 06:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 12 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
wbg, gonzaw, ET: I would appreciate it if you would comment on my 1-for-1 reasoning with regards to VE's claim I disagree with it completely. If I were in VE's position I'd be completely fine with claiming and then trying to go for 1 for 1, because chances are strong you can wriggle yourself out of a second lynch with effort just as you got out of the first one. In fact I myself have done this in the past and VE, like me, is a very active scum player. It's not easy by any means, but because future lynches are uncertain by virtue of being in the future, if VE thought as scum he had no choice but to sac himself based on the amount of flak he was getting, he would have done anything in his power just to get anyone but himself lynched today. Your argument breaks when you consider the fact that I was heaping a lot of pressure on VE before he even claimed. This indicates to VE that he's going to take lynch pressure (i.e. that he's probably going to die) as scum in that position all you want to do is live. So, he did the best thing scum could do in that position: he destroyed the thread with walls of texts and he made a claim that noobs and sheep would believe. In addition, VE's behavior extends beyond a simple kill trade. If Toad is town and VE is scum and we kill Toad today, we waste TWO FULL cycles by focusing solely on two players. Day 3 will be a complete wash if our target today is town. In fact, on day 3 if one of these guys flips town I'm sure everyone will be wondering if the other guy is town too! This sort of situation happens very often (just look at game of thrones) and it isn't as simple as "this is a 1 for 1 trade that scum would never do!" There are clear advantages to VE's play from a scum perspective and those advantages would have already started taking effect, if he indeed is scum. Ok, then presumably you think VE is the sort of player who would crack 30+ hours before voting ends in a situation where is extremely far from certain he would get lynched? One more thing - "he destroyed the thread" - perhaps, perhaps not - it's generated a lot of discussion. But it also shoots himself in the foot because he made 2 large cases against Toad shortly before his claim which have also been buried. I don't see how this helps him.
How about this. Toad is scum. Did that ever cross your mind that both are scum bussing each other in order to gain town cred once one is lynched? It's not something a scum poster would think about when posting b/c they wouldn't want to give light to the idea. I'm not saying toads is scum, but your distinct lack of entertaining the possibility paints you as clear scum
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Define "doomed" Bugs, I "realized" no such thing. I timed my claim SPECIFICALLY to put information into this thread.
You're just making shit up now and speaking with false certainty because I'm absolutely not scum.
I actually hope you're town Bugs. That's how pissed off I am right now. I hope you're town and instead of lynching Toad next they lynch you.
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On April 12 2012 06:44 Katina wrote:
In Arkham City Radfield faked claimed DT and bussed Sheth. VE and WBG were well aware of it because they were mafia that game. It's reasonable to suspect that Toad and VE this game are Mafia. As I said I think Toad is more suspicious and most of my analysis have been on him. That's why I'm voting for him.
no it isn't, because you have to first assume that there's a bus to begin with.
As town it's simpler to assume one is scum and then independently figure out if the other is also scum in retrospect. So far nothing about this situation has screamed bus because most of the interaction between Toad and VE has been genuine. Either they're both town or they're opposite alignments. If they're both scum then this is probably the best bus that TL mafia has ever seen.
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On April 12 2012 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Define "doomed" Bugs, I "realized" no such thing. I timed my claim SPECIFICALLY to put information into this thread.
You're just making shit up now and speaking with false certainty because I'm absolutely not scum.
I actually hope you're town Bugs. That's how pissed off I am right now. I hope you're town and instead of lynching Toad next they lynch you.
Cause that totally helps town, right?
the fuck?
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On April 12 2012 06:43 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:40 marvellosity wrote:On April 12 2012 06:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 12 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
wbg, gonzaw, ET: I would appreciate it if you would comment on my 1-for-1 reasoning with regards to VE's claim I disagree with it completely. If I were in VE's position I'd be completely fine with claiming and then trying to go for 1 for 1, because chances are strong you can wriggle yourself out of a second lynch with effort just as you got out of the first one. In fact I myself have done this in the past and VE, like me, is a very active scum player. It's not easy by any means, but because future lynches are uncertain by virtue of being in the future, if VE thought as scum he had no choice but to sac himself based on the amount of flak he was getting, he would have done anything in his power just to get anyone but himself lynched today. Your argument breaks when you consider the fact that I was heaping a lot of pressure on VE before he even claimed. This indicates to VE that he's going to take lynch pressure (i.e. that he's probably going to die) as scum in that position all you want to do is live. So, he did the best thing scum could do in that position: he destroyed the thread with walls of texts and he made a claim that noobs and sheep would believe. In addition, VE's behavior extends beyond a simple kill trade. If Toad is town and VE is scum and we kill Toad today, we waste TWO FULL cycles by focusing solely on two players. Day 3 will be a complete wash if our target today is town. In fact, on day 3 if one of these guys flips town I'm sure everyone will be wondering if the other guy is town too! This sort of situation happens very often (just look at game of thrones) and it isn't as simple as "this is a 1 for 1 trade that scum would never do!" There are clear advantages to VE's play from a scum perspective and those advantages would have already started taking effect, if he indeed is scum. Ok, then presumably you think VE is the sort of player who would crack 30+ hours before voting ends in a situation where is extremely far from certain he would get lynched? One more thing - "he destroyed the thread" - perhaps, perhaps not - it's generated a lot of discussion. But it also shoots himself in the foot because he made 2 large cases against Toad shortly before his claim which have also been buried. I don't see how this helps him. this is not a lot of "discussion" this is a lot of absolutely nothing. You can read a full 20+ pages and they're all full of shit flinging between the Toad and VE camps. This day has degenerated into Toad vs VE almost solely because VE went on a rampage after he realized he was doomed, and because Toad is the type of person to respond to such an accusation with massive posts of his own. If there is a single townie that scum would benefit the most out of accusing, it's Toad, because he says stupid stuff all the time and because when he's accused he tends to OMGUS and then destroy the thread with you. I would know, because I as scum do it myself. How the hell does blowing up the thread correlate with VE shooting himself in the foot? His scum team probably loves him right now, other than the fact that he'll die. Scum love chaos.
Ok that does all make sense, other than your assessment that VE was doomed. The case against Toad remains strong, however.
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On April 12 2012 06:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
wbg, gonzaw, ET: I would appreciate it if you would comment on my 1-for-1 reasoning with regards to VE's claim I disagree with it completely. If I were in VE's position I'd be completely fine with claiming and then trying to go for 1 for 1, because chances are strong you can wriggle yourself out of a second lynch with effort just as you got out of the first one. In fact I myself have done this in the past and VE, like me, is a very active scum player. It's not easy by any means, but because future lynches are uncertain by virtue of being in the future, if VE thought as scum he had no choice but to sac himself based on the amount of flak he was getting, he would have done anything in his power just to get anyone but himself lynched today. Your argument breaks when you consider the fact that I was heaping a lot of pressure on VE before he even claimed. This indicates to VE that he's going to take lynch pressure (i.e. that he's probably going to die) as scum in that position all you want to do is live. So, he did the best thing scum could do in that position: he destroyed the thread with walls of texts and he made a claim that noobs and sheep would believe. In addition, VE's behavior extends beyond a simple kill trade. If Toad is town and VE is scum and we kill Toad today, we waste TWO FULL cycles by focusing solely on two players. Day 3 will be a complete wash if our target today is town. In fact, on day 3 if one of these guys flips town I'm sure everyone will be wondering if the other guy is town too! This sort of situation happens very often (just look at game of thrones) and it isn't as simple as "this is a 1 for 1 trade that scum would never do!" There are clear advantages to VE's play from a scum perspective and those advantages would have already started taking effect, if he indeed is scum.
Please don't forget the fact that I am apparently happily going for the 1v1 as well. According to him VE is willing to go and do a 1v1 trade makes him look townish and makes me look mafia.
Me willing to go 1v1 with VE however makes me look mafia and VE look town?
His argument is wrong like you said and on top of that affects both of us so even it would be right it's a null because it's "true" for the tw of us. Yet he brings it up to say it looks like VE is town?
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On April 12 2012 06:44 Katina wrote:
In Arkham City Radfield faked claimed DT and bussed Sheth. VE and WBG were well aware of it because they were mafia that game. It's reasonable to suspect that Toad and VE this game are Mafia. As I said I think Toad is more suspicious and most of my analysis have been on him. That's why I'm voting for him.
Thats good and all. But in that game Sheth was allready under heavy fire when they bussed him. This time around neither Toad or VE was to much of targets before they went at it. If this is a bus, it is the most unlikely bus ever. Keep it simple god damn it, don't make things ahrder then they are.
But as you said before you want to take your time to decide, and thats fair enough. But right now you are in VE's camp, thats all.
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On April 12 2012 06:36 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:19 Jitsu wrote:On April 12 2012 06:16 EchelonTee wrote:
Jitsu looks scummy because he hasn't been nearly as transparant in his reads, nor as indignant as he has been in response to accusations. Care to explain where the lack of transparancy in my reads are? I don't give a shit about the accusations, because the only two people who have implied i'm scum (FourFace and Risen) literally have no idea what they are doing. Perhaps it's unfair to imply that you're a Top 3 scumread for myself, but overall your posting seems off. Stuff like this: Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 23:51 Jitsu wrote:
Your system is fucked up Tnkeg. I've played more then five games and one more then one. Fairly sure.
Also, Someone take a gander at Grackroni. I've accused two people this game of being scum, but I REALLY think that he's scum. Look quite strange. I remember you to be more precise and focused in your accusations. You also usually ask around a bit more, pressuring this and that, whereas in this game you only really pressured Risen. You have a strange confidence confidence in your overall town, in stuff like: Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 04:05 Jitsu wrote:
After reading the last few pages after I started typing this, I counted (off the top of my head) four people that said "I would switch to Janaan lynch if it's possible."
You are willing to vote for Janaan to die, yet don't vote for Janaan. Scummy as fuck. Put your money where your mouth is. You pushed Janaan pretty hard. While obviously hypocritical of me to say so, since I voted for Janaan and was suspicious on him too, I wasn't 100% on it, while you had a sort of confidence and drive to push him over. I myself have done this exact same thing in many scum games I have played, which is why it catches my eye. Finally, your reaction towards the VE stuff is really strange: Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 03:50 Jitsu wrote:
People are bringing up the fact that it could be a miller/framer mechanic. I think the smart option, regardless if the miller/framer mechanic is in the game, is to lynch the red flip. I would tell you that regardless if I was the person being checked. It leaves too many questions un-answered. The odds of Toad being miller is fairly low, and the possibility of him being framed is moderate at best. But beyond that, if we don't lynch him, it leaves too many questions in the open.
Guarantee leaving him alive at this point will come back to bite us down the road. We let him live today, and then he doesn't get night killed, we start questioning the fact as to why he is still alive, and Day3, we come up with "Should we lynch Toad now? VE had a red check and he's still alive," blah blah blah.
The thing to do now is decide whether VE is telling the truth. Evidence lends it to the fact that it is true. Day1, he claims Toad as a decent scum read for him, and then during the night, he checks him to see if he actually is scum. It comes back Guilty, he forms a case out of whatever he can and pushes it hard. Hard.
I'm going to believe this claim now, especially with overall actions and his previous breadcrumb.
##Vote: Toad In your 2nd paragraph, you fail to acknoledge that if we leave VE alive, there is a lot more WIFOM that will be going on. And where you say "evidence lends it to the fact that it is true", and mention a "previous breadcrumb" is really strange. What breadcrumb?
I mean, I pushed Janaan pretty hard because I thought he was scum. That's why I built a relativley strong case on him. I read his filter, conferred his meta, and thought he was scum. I'm usually confident in my cases I build (especially since when I replaced into GoT my first case was against a scum player) even thought I'm not always accurate.
The evidence is there. The behavior of VE against Toad leads me to believe the claim is true. He thought Toad was scum day one, but didn't feel exceptionally confident in it, as much as Hassy. If you were a DT, you would check it too, because it could potentially condemn them or exonerate them. He checked, Toad came back guilty, people aren't buying his case, he's a threat to be lynched...feels good to me.
The breadcrumb was "atmosphere police."
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Fuck off with that Bugs, you're not interested in helping town either. You're shutting out the possibility that I'm telling the truth because it doesn't fit with your initial read of me. GUESS WHAT BUGS YOUR FUCKING EARLY READS ARE BALLS! MINE ARE BADASS! GET THE FUCK OVER IT
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On April 12 2012 06:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 12 2012 06:40 marvellosity wrote:On April 12 2012 06:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 12 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
wbg, gonzaw, ET: I would appreciate it if you would comment on my 1-for-1 reasoning with regards to VE's claim I disagree with it completely. If I were in VE's position I'd be completely fine with claiming and then trying to go for 1 for 1, because chances are strong you can wriggle yourself out of a second lynch with effort just as you got out of the first one. In fact I myself have done this in the past and VE, like me, is a very active scum player. It's not easy by any means, but because future lynches are uncertain by virtue of being in the future, if VE thought as scum he had no choice but to sac himself based on the amount of flak he was getting, he would have done anything in his power just to get anyone but himself lynched today. Your argument breaks when you consider the fact that I was heaping a lot of pressure on VE before he even claimed. This indicates to VE that he's going to take lynch pressure (i.e. that he's probably going to die) as scum in that position all you want to do is live. So, he did the best thing scum could do in that position: he destroyed the thread with walls of texts and he made a claim that noobs and sheep would believe. In addition, VE's behavior extends beyond a simple kill trade. If Toad is town and VE is scum and we kill Toad today, we waste TWO FULL cycles by focusing solely on two players. Day 3 will be a complete wash if our target today is town. In fact, on day 3 if one of these guys flips town I'm sure everyone will be wondering if the other guy is town too! This sort of situation happens very often (just look at game of thrones) and it isn't as simple as "this is a 1 for 1 trade that scum would never do!" There are clear advantages to VE's play from a scum perspective and those advantages would have already started taking effect, if he indeed is scum. Ok, then presumably you think VE is the sort of player who would crack 30+ hours before voting ends in a situation where is extremely far from certain he would get lynched? One more thing - "he destroyed the thread" - perhaps, perhaps not - it's generated a lot of discussion. But it also shoots himself in the foot because he made 2 large cases against Toad shortly before his claim which have also been buried. I don't see how this helps him. this is not a lot of "discussion" this is a lot of absolutely nothing. You can read a full 20+ pages and they're all full of shit flinging between the Toad and VE camps. This day has degenerated into Toad vs VE almost solely because VE went on a rampage after he realized he was doomed, and because Toad is the type of person to respond to such an accusation with massive posts of his own. If there is a single townie that scum would benefit the most out of accusing, it's Toad, because he says stupid stuff all the time and because when he's accused he tends to OMGUS and then destroy the thread with you. I would know, because I as scum do it myself. How the hell does blowing up the thread correlate with VE shooting himself in the foot? His scum team probably loves him right now, other than the fact that he'll die. Scum love chaos. Ok that does all make sense, other than your assessment that VE was doomed. The case against Toad remains strong, however.
you can keep asserting that if you wish, it's not going to make it any more true.
I even repeated myself to VE and he still hasn't responded to my accusations, despite saying he would. He's still posting other useless shit though.
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On April 12 2012 06:41 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:36 Tunkeg wrote:On April 12 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:On April 12 2012 06:29 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: You also disregard the fact that VE was a target for lynching prior to his claim. If he's going down he might as well wreak as much havoc as possible. Your logic is atrocious marvel :/ No, yours is atrocious and it's unsubstantiated based trying to say which side he's on. I am trying to work out the consistent results for BOTH sides. There's a reason I didn't ask you for your thoughts, and it is because I consider your thoughts as worthless, based on every game I've read with you in it. LOL, coming from the most worthless player in this game that got to hurt Risen... Indeed it does, but let's not rise to a clear scum poster. Nigh on confirmed scum for town to lynch/kill if I'm offed tonight. VE, Jitsu, Gonzaw, johnnywup, and marvellosity!
I don't think gonzaw is scum. If I'm wrong then fml but I'm usually at least decent at making town reads. you should focus on jitsu/jdub if possible if you can.
@marvellosity; after two whiffed vig shots, Mafia is in a pretty comfortable state. Trading 1 for 1 from a scum perspective is fine because it doesn't lower their KP, and the entire D2 dicussion has been dominated by this train of that. While generating discussion is good, the thread has been destroyed, as it has become very hard to read, and people's stances on this or that are getting muffled in the noise.
Thanks to the handy dandy program gonzaw posted, if we get even 2 mislynches in 3 cycles then we lose. You see to think that VE's willingness to trade 1 for 1 is noble. However, even if VE=town and we mislynch him, then we lynch a red toad next cycle, we'll still be in the position where 2 mislynches means death. VE's actions are very plausible from a mafia perspective, and not very viable from a town perspective.
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