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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On April 12 2012 06:10 Mementoss wrote: FuckItKillKatina. | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On April 12 2012 06:10 Mementoss wrote: FuckItKillKatina. For bad organization in my post? | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
We'll deal with this later. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
Forget it, I don't know what I'm doing and you're not helping me one bit. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5202 Posts
Fakeclaim is implausible. Has been pushing people without much reason. Posts this: On April 12 2012 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote: My check doesn't confirm anything until Toad flips. But MY suspicion on his is strengthened, and I can't help that. But I know it's true. Toad is scum and he and his ilk about to pull one of the biggest upsets in Team Liquid history. johnnywup,Katina, Zealos, Blazinghand, Toadesstern, Jitsu Fuck yeah, let's do this. When I know VE to be usually prone to pushing 1-2 players at a time in a very comprehensive manner. Think TL LII JubJub; he makes a post calling out exaclty 2 players, prplhz and Caller, and does so very strongly. He hasn't done this like, at all, except for on Toad. He hasn't been helping town, only disrupting it. There is almost no way a town VE could think that this claim could help town. This post is an apt observation on Blazinghand. Blazinghand is a top 3 priority lynch for me at this point. To only have pushed 1 mislynch is strange for BH at this point. The loud, active BH who posts gifs and random pix is nowhere to be soon. Seriously, BH u've only pushed FF and S.T. super lightly at this point; wdf? You're seriously seriously hanging in the background not doing much. On April 12 2012 04:40 Blazinghand wrote: If you don't like my playstyle, lynch me. Or are you too afrad??? I'm an aggressive player. Deal. VE's claim overshadows EVERYTHING he said previously. He did not need to claim, and he did. He is scum. Does the previous case matter on him? Sure. But it is all overshadowed by his claim. suck it* For being all "deal with it" and "im aggressive trololol", you really haven't been aggresive or decisive all game. And the whole "VE's claim is shit that's the only reason anyone needs to lynch him" reminds me of when in TL LII jubjub, DrH bussed Kurumi, saying "his claim is fake, that's all evidence we need nop nop nop nop". This smells a lot like a bus. This is a pretty townie post from WBG. WBG has had ups and downs, but the two most reliable people in the game thus far I find to be gonzaw and WBG, along with a few other players who shall remain unnamed. People who aren't needlessly disputing this or that in an abrasive manner get points in my book, especially when the town is super polarized as it is. Gonzaw and WBG, if one of you is scum then this game is already pretty much lost as neither of you are going to be lynched anytime soon, but as it stands I have town reads on you both. If you guys can come to terms and consider each other townie, we can try and get things done. On April 12 2012 05:23 VisceraEyes wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Why would you claim after we lost 3 blues last night? Because blues aren't going to win this game - reading the thread and analyzing what the hell is going on is going to win. I claimed because in spite of being a DT, I intend to roll scum by analyzing what's happened here and figuring out who's scum by scumhunting. Why would you claim when the votes were split evenly on both sides? As large as my wagon had gotten before halfway through the day, I was afraid if I didn't claim now I would run the risk of the claim not mattering by getting lynched because my detractors are all not even reading. No one is responding to my case or saying why it's shit, everyone is just saying it's shit and sheeping Toad and Bugs. It's ridiculous and there's no fighting that...at least, not with the effort it would require. I tried it the right way. I made a case, and I pushed my case, and no one was even willing to read my case or refute my case. Toad is sidestepping my accusations and no one even cares. Why would you claim with over half the day to go? Because there are two possibilities: I'll get lynched or Toad will get lynched. If I get lynched, I'll flip DT and Toad may get lynched, he may not...my sanity is in question, and if I die there's always be that question. If Toad is lynched, he'll either flip town or scum, but my sanity will be certain and I'll have a baseline for future checks (if any are possible). Obviously scum can roleblock me, but I'm motherfucking VE. I don't need the power to roll them. Why would you try and push a Hassy train lynch, assuming he was scum potentially pulling attention to yourself in the night kill? Because by that point I was convinced of Hassy's guilt and I wanted to get him lynched. I've got "attention to myself in the night kill" in spades. I don't think Hassy is scum anymore, but that's my reasoning for pushing the Hassy train. Why would you claim, before you could guarentee your sanity? (coulda tried for toad lynch then if you were right you were most likely sane, you weren't done yet, it wasn't even close)I did man, I posted a two phase case on Toad which he barely responded to and which most everyone is ignoring. I've stated EXACTLY why I feel the way I feel about Toad, and none of it has to do with my check. AT all. Again, I'm exhausted and I can't fight everyone on my own. The claim reinforced my credibility, which might be the only thing that keeps me going at this point. Now I've seen that it in fact weakens my credibility. I don't know what I'm going to do now. I'm going to die, again, and the scums are going to roll town, again. I know my claim is suspicious. But I have reasoning for claiming the way I did. If town is too obtuse to accept it, that's fine. I was about to give up anyway.  VE has still not given a legitimate response to why claiming DT in a setup like this is godawful. For the ribbing that Risen got in GoT, this is too too bad of a claim to be legit. This reminds me of how hard it was to lynch Kurumi, despite my whole team pushing and pushing to bus him ... lol. In summary: VE needs to die today. WBG and gonzaw you're both townies stop fighting. Adam, you are looking pretty scummy with your buddying to me, and the fact that you haven't helped much this game at all. Your play is reminding me of how you were in our scum game way back when. Jitsu looks scummy because he hasn't been nearly as transparant in his reads, nor as indignant as he has been in response to accusations. BH is scummy scum. I hestiate to call Toad town, but he is less scummy than either VE, BH, or Jitsu. People who say "oh if VE flips scum then Toad is town" need to rethink their mafia playstyle. I'm busy as fck which is why I've been moderately AWOL, but seriously, VE has to die. People, try not to spam the thread too much lest it become unreadable. The 3 replacements are probably shaking their heads at this entire ordeal. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I have a pretty decent idea what's going on right now. Mostly because I know my own alignment. You (hopefully) don't have that information, therefore the confusion right now. If we lynch VE today we're having an awesome day3. No more threadbombing and we can start playing properly without everyone throwing poop at each other and shitting up the thread. If we neither lynch VE nore myself today it will be the exact same thing all over again d3 no matter of the d2 lynch. You really want that? | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On April 12 2012 06:16 EchelonTee wrote: Jitsu looks scummy because he hasn't been nearly as transparant in his reads, nor as indignant as he has been in response to accusations. Care to explain where the lack of transparancy in my reads are? I don't give a shit about the accusations, because the only two people who have implied i'm scum (FourFace and Risen) literally have no idea what they are doing. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
##Vote: FourFace | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Firstly - have people genuinely bothered to read VE's two-part case on Toad? It mirrors and expands upon the concerns I had with Toad and why I said I preferred Toad for today's lynch. His case against Toad needs to be examined in conjunction with his blue claim, not ignored because of it. Secondly - the blue claim itself. It seems so dumb, but nonetheless I've sat here and thought about it and almost thoughts lead to WIFOM. But whether VE is scum or mafia, the claim suggests that he is happy with a 1 for 1 trade with toad. This is the only consistent string I can pull out of the claim. On this basis, a 1 for 1 is surely a more favourable town trade, bearing in mind the wealth of information it brings. A 1 for 1 claim for mafia does not look so good, especially given how polarised opinions have been. ##Vote: Toadesstern | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
The focus today needs to be on VE + Toad, for obvious reasons. VE is the lynch of choice as has been stated over and over. There are bound to be scum both on the successful wagon and off of it. Very few scum teams have the balls to all be on one lynch; therefore, after today we need to look at both the VE and Toad lists to determine the likely scum. All I can say without giving too much away is that we need to be looking for players who were hesitant to pick a side earlier in the day. By this point they will have organized one way or another, so it's probably fruitless to look for recent posts. Look around page 58-68 and there'll be a goldmine of scum in there who don't know what to do. (arbitrary drawing lines based on when the VE thing exploded) | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
Toad: VE is scum - The one who have pushed hardest on VE. WBG: VE is scum - Seems to be as certain as Toad. Risen: VE is scum- As certain as the other twoes. Tunkeg: VE is scum- Have been pushing VE, fairly certain VE is scum. Zealos: VE is scum - seems fairly certain. Blazinghand: VE is scum - fairly certain. Adam: VE is scum - not pushing to hard though. Hassybaby: VE is scum - not pushing at all. Nisani: VE is scum - not pushing at all. johnnywup: VE is scum-keep changing his mind. FourFace: VE is town - keeps defending VE. ghost: VE is town - also been defending VE. Jitsu: VE is town- thinks Toad is scum. Mementoss: VE is town - think Toad is scum. Zelblade: VE is town- think Toad is scum. Leaning abit against VE in his last posts, but the very last in favor of VE again. Katina: VE is scum - she says but votes Toad, meaning she really belives that VE is town. gonzaw: VE is scum- she says but votes Toad, same as Katina. ET: Haven't taken a decisive stance. Needs to do just that. Kenpachi: Same as ET. prplhz: Have barely posted yet. Needs to post, and take a stance! Grackaroni: Lurking big time. Need to make a stance! Artonis: Been leaning VE for town, but haven't made a desicive stance. marvellosity: Same as ET. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
marvellosity: VE is town - Toad is scum. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On April 12 2012 06:21 FourFace wrote: I really don't, if VE doesn't confirm or deny what I was saying about him and wbg. That's true ##Vote: FourFace wtf? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 12 2012 06:21 FourFace wrote: I really don't, if VE doesn't confirm or deny what I was saying about him and wbg. That's true ##Vote: FourFace if you have no idea what to do then go back and reread the goddamn thread. The pace at which you reply to my posts and the inanity of your responses is indicative of you not bothering to read anything in front of your face. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On April 12 2012 06:21 FourFace wrote: I really don't, if VE doesn't confirm or deny what I was saying about him and wbg. That's true ##Vote: FourFace ._. On April 12 2012 06:22 Tunkeg wrote: This is how I see people stances on VE - if I am wrong, please correct me: Blazinghand: VE is scum - fairly certain. Incorrect. My view is: VE is scum - hat-eatingly certain | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
wbg wants to see a list of who is with or against VE scumbuddy supplies a list in under a minute | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Katina
United States454 Posts
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