EPTVE still looks a little sketcy due to his day 1 actions, but toad looks about 10x worse imo. Lynch him please.
Im going to sleep now, damm tired. Goodnight.
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
VE still looks a little sketcy due to his day 1 actions, but toad looks about 10x worse imo. Lynch him please. Im going to sleep now, damm tired. Goodnight. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On April 12 2012 00:38 zelblade wrote: VE's part 1 is hyprotical as hell imo as pointed out by marvel... though this 2nd part is alot more interesting. I guess I see what you mean by "scumslipping maniac". Yea Toad is scum, I agree, his vote on ghost is horrible. VE still looks a little sketcy due to his day 1 actions, but toad looks about 10x worse imo. Lynch him please. Im going to sleep now, damm tired. Goodnight. Are you kidding me? Part 2 is the worst post I have ever read. He is trying so hard, but can't seem to find anything but fluff to write. So obvious scum. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
Toadesstern has GOT to die. We can only do it together because he's got some friends. Seems to scream "Don't worry guys! I'm your friend in all of this!" | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On April 12 2012 00:37 Zealos wrote: Also, Marvel's only real criticism is just a lot of use of the old catchall catchphrase WIFOM, which VE himself called out to be a pointless phrase, and only leads to pointless discussion. Replace WIFOM with "pointless speculation that cannot possibly be proved or disproved either way, nor is likely or unlikely either way" That is the criticism of the whole case bar the first-day voting and it remains true. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On April 12 2012 00:36 Tunkeg wrote: Another reason why VE is scum. These insane wall of text posts that he only started doing after he got caught! What a great way of cluttering up the thread! Also for you Toad, please stop doing it! I know its the way you play, but if both you and VE and then VE's scumbuddy keep doing this these pages wil be unreadable. You're avoiding interacting with either of their arguments because it's in a wall of text post? Fine. Here's one that's not. Toadstern has not been actively hunting scum. Look at his behavior on Day 1. What does he do? 1) Says we should lynch lurkers, and vig kenpachi and wbg 2) Says he's town and we should lynch wbg for no reason at all 3) Complains about lurkers while lurking. No reads before him calling me scum 4) Says that I deserved to be lynched because I used the word "bandwagon" in my post 5) Drops the case against me, goes after hassy and switches to janaan to ensure a lynch By the way, all of that takes place over two pages of his filter. Toadstern is not hunting scum, and I think that's because he is scum. What say you of that, tunkeg? | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On April 12 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote: Replace WIFOM with "pointless speculation that cannot possibly be proved or disproved either way, nor is likely or unlikely either way" That is the criticism of the whole case bar the first-day voting and it remains true. So what do you think about VE? And, no, I am not interested in your view on the cases. Just a simple answer on whether not you think VE is scummy, and why. Just so that I can see where you stand in this... | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On April 12 2012 00:45 ghost_403 wrote: You're avoiding interacting with either of their arguments because it's in a wall of text post? Fine. Here's one that's not. Toadstern has not been actively hunting scum. Look at his behavior on Day 1. What does he do? 1) Says we should lynch lurkers, and vig kenpachi and wbg 2) Says he's town and we should lynch wbg for no reason at all 3) Complains about lurkers while lurking. No reads before him calling me scum 4) Says that I deserved to be lynched because I used the word "bandwagon" in my post 5) Drops the case against me, goes after hassy and switches to janaan to ensure a lynch By the way, all of that takes place over two pages of his filter. Toadstern is not hunting scum, and I think that's because he is scum. What say you of that, tunkeg? I think Toadesstern is the main scumhunter in this thread. He is the one pushing the case on VE - who is the most obvious scum the world have ever seen. Toadessterns play is very consistent of his play in Arkham City. He is posting his reads all over, and have started spamming it up. I don't know his scum meta, but if he is playing scum ths way he is one ballsy mofo. I cannot imagine he is scum in this game. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On April 12 2012 00:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, it's nice to know that Tunkeg is going to be turning off his brain for the rest of the game. Thanks for letting us know guy, that would've been confusing later! If your not scum then I might as well, because then I will be so lost that I cannot comeback from it. If you are scum though, then I got this game... | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 11 2012 23:17 ghost_403 wrote: Also, looks like Artanis rolled scum this game. So sad. This post puts the final nail in his coffin. He returns from lurking to point out that? Seriously? We can discuss this later. VE v Toads is what we need to figure out first. I just woke up and read that slip, later finding out he even used it twice. This implies that he copy pasted it from somewhere. If this doesn't raise any red flags with you, then we mind as well throw logic out of the window. I took a look at his filter after this post though and Gonzaw seems solid, keeps his focus on suspects very well so despite the slip I'm leaning town on him. As I read through his filter, I also reread his case on Toad and find it very solid. His changing meta in terms of fluffyness in posts is a big tell as big posts with little content are very pro Mafia, and he does it more than once using more words than he needs to explain his position. Looking through his post history in Arkham City, he posted a lot of scattered thoughts in multiple posts. Though you can change over the course of games it seems unlikely such a major shift would occur, as both games had roughly 30 people and is only 2 months ago. A lack of focus was another problem of Toad, but it seems that he's got his eyes set on VE very well now. Fluff like this: On April 08 2012 19:35 Toadesstern wrote: So I'd really like to have less of those "yo dude, I didn't accuse you in the first place - sure you did - no I didn't - WHAT?!?!" posts as they're pretty useless (useless like wbg's vote) and more of those "that's stupid, stop it" posts (as long as they've got at least a little tiny bit of an explanation so everyone can understand what's going on in your head) and if someone keeps doing stupid things although we told him to stop it we lynch him the next day. is meaningless fluff just meant to clutter up the thread and divert attention from the main point: Lynching scum. Also spends large portions of his posts saying "I don't know yet" about players. That's also why I decided to abandon going after gonzaw: Though the slip caught my attention, his filter shows that lynching scum is his prime objective. After a lot of early flip floppiness/fluff from the early game aside, he then places his vote on Ghost, whom pretty much had no chance of getting lynched, which is very odd given how close it was to the deadline and reeks of scum play. On April 10 2012 04:27 Toadesstern wrote: No gonzaw I am not supposed to post my thought on every single one who's a topic here. Funny quote, since he shit the thread up with fluff before that. He's now tunneling on VE, of which he did indicate he had questions before the first death occured. Unfortunately the main argument he brings out is how effective he was in finding mafia in previous games. In 50 I killed half of the mafias myself. In Storm I was on WBG's ass (who everyone considers to be a really good mafia player) and VE's ass from day1 on (well and RoL but everyone knew RoL was mafia so that probably doesn't count) and sadly noone listened to me and kept lynching whatever wbg wanted to be lynched. That being said I think I'm quite good myself and would like to be alive tomorrow :3 Great, that doesn't really help us if you're mafia though, nor is it an argument that serves in any way to convict the current suspects. His defense against Gonzaw seems fairly solid at first glance, but it's basically saying "I change my meta every game, it doesn't make me mafia". Also states he often posts walls of texts in other games, but checking through the filters of his other threads that doesn't seem to be true at all. Now, Toad's Magnum Opus starts with how he's basically a confirmed townie (lol?), figures out the night kills immediately and assumes that all three kills were mafia, yet he couldn't know this as there could be 3 vigilantes in play that took off a shot. Then he casts suspicion on WBG and VE for telling people not to medic Jackal when Jackal hadn't really been contributing to the game yet at all. Circumstancial at best, but I doubt mafia would be as dumb as to say "don't protect this guy" out loud in the thread then shoot him. I don't see it happening. He's also confirmed because Hassy is red and he tried to get him lynch. Convenient that he assumes that Hassy is red when he hasn't flipped yet. He does make a good point about VE's flip floppiness in voting, which I'd consider the best point in the post. VE's meta is one of chasing who he thinks is mafia, not one where he just chases whomever the town's chasing. However, that's explained by it being easter and therefore not having much time. I didn't have much time on easter either so I'll accept that explanation for now. VisceraEyes VisceraEyes started off with fairly short posts, but does make some mild accusations against Toad from the start. Then he votes Risen for doing dumb shit, which is okayish but eh. He seems a bit playful at the start which is congruent with his pre-game posts, then votes for Tunkeg which is retarded as Tunkeg was clearly just a bad townie. Seemed fairly eager to get a lynch going, but then starts actual scumhunting on Hassy and Toad. His followup vote on Janaan however seems very weird, but is somewhat explained with the time constraint. He then accuses gonzaw pretty much out of the blue putting him on a vig hitlist despite gonzaw pretty much being the person that's scumhunting the most, which raises some red flags with me. Spams up the thread a bit in how he defends himself, but he is consistent in his accusations against Toad. What I do want to know is why he put Gonzaw on his vig hitlist on the first day. His case on Toads seems fairly solid; a lot of fluff and WIFOM within his posts. WhereBugsGo WBG has a strange post history. He's mostly asked what other people think about certain things, other than one of the first posts where he indicates he doesn't like Toad. He posts some general advice and goes after Hassybaby, the same target as Toad had which is interesting as they distanced themselves from eachother somewhat earlier. Jumps on michaelthe when he said he wanted to lynch based on what gives more information, which I believe is a legit jump as it's scummy play. Responds to Hassybaby well when accused, and the switch from Hassy to Janaan is well argumented as well. Defended VE when accused of his voting behaviour, yet the day after once reading Toad's bad case here he seems instantly convinced of VE's guilt. To WBG: Could you quote the parts of Toad's post that you agree with that lead you to believe VisceraEyes is mafia? I'm curious what points exactly you agree with. To Toad: Reading the massive wall of text is a pain though and responding to every point is as well. Could you try and summarize more in your accusations towards VE? I'm sure what you've typed on 2 pages could be summarized to 4 paragraphs and it'd make things a lot easier to read. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Dearest Tunkeg, Please reference these reads, for I cannot for the life of me find them. Signed: Someone actually reading the thread. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 11 2012 22:15 VisceraEyes wrote: The Toadesstern Case Going back to actually make a case against Toad, I found that I shouldn't have been so quick to just accept Toad's eccentricities as "just Toad". In this case I intend to show you how Toadesstern has not only outed himself as scum, but done so in such a thorough and insidious manner that it's incredible no one but Katina has even looked at him until now. I intend to do this in 2 Phases. Phase 2 will follow Phase 1 in a separate post. Phase 1 will focus on his posts leading up to the Hassy/Janaan wagon, and Phase 2 will cover his actions once a part of the wagon. If I'm feeling feisty, I might look at N1, but I probably won't need to. Phase 1 - Indecision and Broken Promises - In which we see Toad's complete unwillingness to scumhunt, his wishy-washy nature and his complete lack of actual reads. Here we see Toadestern's superior scumhunting abilities at work. The first thing that struck me about this post is how everything is wishywashy about it. In Risen vs ET, his stance is that he doesn't know what to make of Risen yet. Doesn't know what he's trying to achieve and he's clearly stretching but he likes one or two of his posts. He likes shooting/lynching lurkers, but actually would rather just shoot them, but you know, if they're still around by the end of day 2 or 3 or whatever... Also would shoot WBG. No reasons given...but he'd like your thoughts on it! ...but in his next post, suddenly Risen is suspicious? What changed? Oh, nevermind, not suspicious. He's got a townread on him from the one vote, that's right. But you know, it's only Day 1. More wishy washy bullshit. To me, it looks like he's trying too hard to look town. look at the bolded statements. Like, most of D1s revolve around policy discussion, mechanics discussion and the initial round of accusations/suspicions. I'm not sure what he's trying to accomplish by... 1)discussing policy in the form of lynching/shooting inactives, and 2)throwing weak-ass wishy washy suspicion of Risen ...that is supposed to steer town clear of "the usual first 24 hours" but he fails miserably to accomplish it. Town still got sucked up into flame-wars and random finger pointing, so yeah, mission failed I guess. Still isn't doing any scumhunting (i.e. asking people about their comments, getting reads on people, etc.) ...back, and apparently nothing noteworthy has happened except for this totally nonsensical list that Tunkeg made. Nothing interesting at all except for this RNG Jackal lynch thing Tunkeg has suggested. ........oh wait, that's not part of his observation at all. He's not interested in the reasoning behind the list Tunkeg made, and he's not interested in saying whether he thinks Jackal is a good lynch because of it. He doesn't say anything except "Hey it doesn't have all MY wins on there!" and "lol Jackal lol" Still waiting for some scumhunting. Ahhh...finally some content. Hey....*read*...wait a second...*frantically reading*.....THERE'S NO CONTENT HERE AT ALL! 1) More Policy Discussion 2) Wha the fu...Kenpachi?! What happened to Risen? You mentioned Bugs again, but Risen has been at the top of your list with Bugs until THIS POST. And don't worry - he doesn't think Kenpachi is scum either - he clearly states that Kenpachi is "null" for him...but wants to shoot him anyway. That's horribly anti-town, because killing someone for being useless is fucking anti-town. Period. Still saying Bugs is the most suspicious. Still doesn't know what to make of Risen. Still wishy washy bullshit and still not fucking scumhunting. Still commenting on invisiKenpachi. Phase 1 summary: Toadesstern exhibits a complete lack of scumhunting until ~16 hours until lynch. Every read he's had he's waffled on up to now. Every one. Wants to avoid "usual D1 stuff" but comments heavily on lynching/shooting lurkers. Phase 2 Preview: Pssst....he didn't "announce" that he would vote Hassy 6 hours earlier, he made a passing statement about Hassy's POTENTIAL scuminess, but waited until Bugs voted to actually vote. Ok since you seem to have troubles understanding what I am saying at all I am going to say what I say REALLY short without explaining it because that way it should be really clear and less wall-of-texty- Just a test if this works better than the my usual posting to get people understands what I am abbout: I don't have reads d1? - lie. Even Gonzaw agreed that that's bullshit. Unwilling to scumhunt? - I am sorry I was quite buisy dealing with retardation in this thread. I could have done more, I don't think I was unwilling to scumhunt giving my reads on you, hassy and gonzaw at all. Risen - I said the guy looks scummy except for that post and not even because of the post than rather of the message because the post itself is pretty bad again. Yeah that's why I wanted other people to comment on it. Wbg - Oh come on. Wbg's behavior d1 was seriously weird with his worst vote ever. I wanted him to explain it, that's it. I even said I never intended him to be shot later on, I just said so because that get's the message done way better. Then saying I'm going to pressure vote him... Kenpachi - Risen and wbg never were at the top of my list, what are you even talking about oO Sorry I am not backing up my policy deathwishes with cases lol wbg#2- Nice that you are quoting something WHERE I AM ACTUALLY SCUMHUNTING to say I am not. Or do you know wbg is not mafia and that's why you consider trying to figure out what's going on in "WBG-land" to be not scumhunting? | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On April 12 2012 00:53 ghost_403 wrote: -_- Dearest Tunkeg, Please reference these reads, for I cannot for the life of me find them. Signed: Someone actually reading the thread. I couldn't and I don't want to go through Toads posts unless I think he is scum. I am convinced he is town, but I see no reason in trying to convince others he is (this he can do himself if he feels the need for it). When I bother making cases it will be on scum players. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Policy deathwishes are anti-town, so thanks for admitting to that outright. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I SWEAR TO CHRIST IF YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES MAKE ME CLAIM Don't do this, it does not help. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
On April 12 2012 01:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I SWEAR TO CHRIST IF YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES MAKE ME CLAIM What on earth is this garbage? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Town is going to see through this. I can make you see. | ||
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