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On April 11 2012 23:46 Zealos wrote:I'm not sure I completely like VE's case against Toad, and as it stands, I am still supporting Toad in this case. Also, marvel: Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 23:36 marvellosity wrote:On April 09 2012 04:02 Toadesstern wrote:On April 09 2012 03:58 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 09 2012 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:On April 09 2012 03:38 Katina wrote:
Toad is looking scummy to me. He says a lot in his few posts without saying anything. I start zoning off halfway through his posts. Has anyone actually read his posts all the way through? He tires to look like he's contributing with his long posts when he's just rambling on and on and on...... Toad is all over the place and doesn't have a focus.
##Vote Toadesstern What's your point on me when you say I'm not having focus? My reasoning on saying WBG is suspicious to me? My post about how I don't want people to troll the first 24 hours like people usually do? I haven't said much so far because I've been told to post less the last couple games from people like WBG and BC so if you'd say I'm looking weird because I'm not my usual spammy self I'd agree to a point as I'm trying to be less spammy but I don't really see your point on me. I just can't see how you could possibly say I'm saying nothing when I'm one of the VERY few people in here who actually talk about scum reads while explaining them and why people are scummy rather than just "yep, think X is scummy". I mean half the thread is talking about wether or not a random lynch is something useful or if Tunkeg is weird for suggesting such a thing. That's all stuff that's incredible easy to do for mafia because that's stuff that people can have different opinions on and you can't be "wrong" on that matter. So again, what's your point on me because imo everything you said about me makes me look townish (obviously I'm trying to look townish because of what you quoted from foolish) while the other stuff we got so far (as mentioned, the tungek stuff / random lynch) should be considered a nullread. Wait, what? Can you explain the bolded bit please? Townies don't "try to look townish"...you're missing the point of what Foolishness said entirely. Townies try and find and destroy scum. In doing so, they "look townish". They don't "try" and look townish so the rest of town can find scum easier - in what way does "trying" to look townish help you find scum? Sure townies try to look townish as in they should give the thread a chance to properly read them. For example Kenpachi is not doing that which is the reason I don't like him. So I am trying to make sure to you that I am actually a townie because that leaves you guys with one less option to lynch into. Way to fail on that one Toad. VE is right, and *especially* he is right when the game is so early. There is no way you can confirm yourself as town, so trying to make yourself look townish is fruitless, dumb, and scummy. So Toad has kinda backed himself into a hole here, and has to continue on with itOn April 09 2012 04:49 Toadesstern wrote:On April 09 2012 04:38 Katina wrote:On April 09 2012 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:On April 09 2012 03:38 Katina wrote:
Toad is looking scummy to me. He says a lot in his few posts without saying anything. I start zoning off halfway through his posts. Has anyone actually read his posts all the way through? He tires to look like he's contributing with his long posts when he's just rambling on and on and on...... Toad is all over the place and doesn't have a focus.
##Vote Toadesstern What's your point on me when you say I'm not having focus? My reasoning on saying WBG is suspicious to me? My post about how I don't want people to troll the first 24 hours like people usually do? I haven't said much so far because I've been told to post less the last couple games from people like WBG and BC so if you'd say I'm looking weird because I'm not my usual spammy self I'd agree to a point as I'm trying to be less spammy but I don't really see your point on me. I just can't see how you could possibly say I'm saying nothing when I'm one of the VERY few people in here who actually talk about scum reads while explaining them and why people are scummy rather than just "yep, think X is scummy". I mean half the thread is talking about wether or not a random lynch is something useful or if Tunkeg is weird for suggesting such a thing. That's all stuff that's incredible easy to do for mafia because that's stuff that people can have different opinions on and you can't be "wrong" on that matter. So again, what's your point on me because imo everything you said about me makes me look townish (obviously I'm trying to look townish because of what you quoted from foolish) while the other stuff we got so far (as mentioned, the tungek stuff / random lynch) should be considered a nullread. I'm saying that you are acting like Mafia bcause they don't have a focus, ramble, don't contribute, etc. You try so hard to direct everthing back onto me instead of responding to what I said. You say that you're not being your usual spammy self but I didn't even bring that up as an arguement. You're being dodgy and responding to a arguments against you that weren't even made little frog. Why do you have to act townish? That's a pretty interesting thing to say.... If your town then you shouldn't have to say your acting townish. That sounds Mafiaish. I brought that up because I said I don't understand what you're talking about when imo I'm one of the guy who IS actually taking stances in this thread which I consider to be focussed while the other stuff we got so far (stuff mafia can easily talk about) may appear focussed but actually isn't useful to find mafia at all because again: Those are topics you can have different opinions on very easily. So again, I don't understand what you are talking about when you say I am not focused because I think I am. That's why I brought up my not so spammish self because that COULD be a reason for people to think I'm weird although it really shouldn't be so I figured that's maybe what you're really referring to. I am not acting townish, I am trying to make sure to you guys I am a townie.
#1 priority: Make sure everyone knows you are town
#2 priority: Find and lynch mafia yourself#1 helps everyone in this game figure out mafia because there's less people to consider, #2 is nice once you've got #1 covered. If you got #2 covered you only need to start convincing people :p I never said I'm acting townish which is a completly different thing. No. #1 priority: find and lynch scum. Possible nice side-effect of #1: you look town to people. People with more knowledge of toad's meta than me: does a town Toad normally try to look so townish?On April 10 2012 21:59 Toadesstern wrote:
Sup guys. lynch Hassy tomorrow, lynch VE the day after that and we win.
I read this, did a double-take, and had to then go backwards in his filter again to have another look. From where the sudden certainty on VE?! All toad posted previously on the VE matter is this: On April 10 2012 03:48 Toadesstern wrote:
VE looks really weird. I don't think his play is off. However I had the same feeling about him in C9++ where I said that I'd probably instalynch VE as a townie based on the fact that he changed his style so weirdly in that game. So it's the same as Tunkeg: I'm getting a weird feeling and I'm not sure if I like that or not. I'd like to give him more time as well as I think I'm pretty decent in figuring out VE. I called him mafia in Storm (SK), I called him mafia in AC (mafia) and I called him a liar who's fakeclaiming on purpose in L which made me think he'd be a mafia in that game. The liar who fakeclaimed was right but the mafia read was wrong. So again, I'd like to see some more from VE to properly understand what I'm seeing from him this game.
VE looks weird? a weird feeling? and he's not sure yet. He seems to have leapt from this to WE SHOULD LYNCH VE. Ok, that's fine - let's continue down your post (beyond the pointless waffling about previous games) to see why should we lynch VE. Let's have a look at the damning evidence he has lined up against VE: On April 10 2012 21:59 Toadesstern wrote:
(pretty sure VE is a mafia who's being stupid on purpose though)
However I don't like VE requesting medic protection for him and wbg only ... wow. Mindblowing case. But at least we know it's Hassy and VE he's after, don't we? Wrong. On April 11 2012 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:On April 11 2012 02:34 gonzaw wrote:
Thank you Toad for another pointless post from you.
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Yes you are tunneling me, even if you "think" I'm town. The only focus of your posts is trying discredit me, arguing with me and saying how I'm an idiot. You can't possibly say that's untrue, that last post of yours is proof of that.
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I'm not tunneling you, or if I am I try not to. I'm giving you plenty of opportunities to redeem yourself by asking for your reads and thoughts of the game so far, which you clearly refuse to do and instead try to discredit me more.
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P.S: I can't possibly believe anyone will think those things I pointed out are town traits. Filler and fluff-filled posts that say nothing, not contributing at all, not giving reads when asked, not commenting on what's happening in the thread, being too verbose and making heavy posts that ultimately say nothing are the opposite of town traits.
@Katina: Please post your thoughts on the events of the last day.
What do you think of ST? What do you think about the Hassy wagon that formed 5 hours before the day ended? What do you think about the people involved in them, or about the people that opposed it and decided to keep their vote on Janaan? Ok screw this, you die tomorrow. Seriously. I am going through this one by one. 1) Thanks for repeating what I just said. It's night. I'm not going to make big cases at night and tell everyone what I said. You're basicly asking me to help mafia here. 2) That's a lie. There's not a single question I did not answer. Show me a question from ANYONE (not even only you) in this thread I did not answer. I told you about my reads, you even agreed that I did that yesterday and said something along the lines "well yes you did, but I shouldn't have to ask you, you should be telling me your reads without me having you to ask you" which is obviously again asking me to help mafia. 3) You haven't pointed out a SINGLE THING until now. You keep on saying I am wishy washy and not taking stances. I know I am posting walls of text a lot but I AM taking stances. I said what I think about tunkeg, I said what I think about Janaan, I said what I think about Ghost & Hassy, I said what I think about WBG, I said what I think about Kenpachi, I said what I think about VE. How am I not giving reads? And again, everything else is what I do all the time although I don't think I'm not contributing. People actually already said stuff along the lines "yes Toad posts wall of text but he is contributing and although it's a little heavy on text you can see what he's trying to say". So no that's just not true. Not to begin with the fact that you keep on saying my style is completly different from my other games yet you haven't shown a single example of something like that, but keep on saying so while complaining I haven't shown that my style actually is the same as one of the games. Newsflash, even if my style is completly different (which a lot of people already said is bullshit) compare L with Storm, or AC with Storm, or L with AC. Is my style exactle the same all the time? Hell most people called me out in Storm because my style was so different that game d1. What was my alignment in all those 3 games?!?!? Right town. There's simply no way you're that wrong. I'm getting you lynched tomorrow. What a massive OMGUS. "Forget my other lynches guys, I don't like gonzaw's argument so he is now #1 LYNCH." What really? Finally comes the massive gonzaw/VE post. Massive WIFOM on the nightkills, and continuing OMGUS on gonzaw. Perhaps more noticeably, he talks about himself an awful lot. The best way of clearing yourself as town is to hunt scum, yet the massive scumhunting post was actually very little of the sort. This is the first time I read Toad's filter in its entirety, and I am surprised. He is coming across as pretty scummy and I'm pretty happy right now for him to be today's lynch. We've seen a ton of people do that, over-analyzing imo The rest of your case is pretty damn awful. He doesn't say anything about VE, then suddenly he makes a very strong case!! He must be scum!! I just don't understand some players. People who don't take strong opinions = Scum People who take strong opinions = scum?! What is the meaning of it all? Why do people seem to think that anyone who tries to push their agenda must be scum? He's completely honest about what he thinks will help town most, and that is a VE lynch.
Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the chronology or his filter.
1) He was labelling VE as certain scum before making ANY sort of case
2) His case against VE is bad/nonexistent.
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VE's case against toad is also highly hypocritical, and seems to only come from the fact toad made a case against him.
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On April 11 2012 23:51 Zealos wrote:
VE's case against toad is also highly hypocritical, and seems to only come from the fact toad made a case against him.
What has that got to do with Toad's case being bad? I've already levelled at VE, we're talking about Toad here.
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I don't find Toad's case to be all that bad. If you care to pick it apart properly then I would be all ears.
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On April 11 2012 23:53 Zealos wrote:
I don't find Toad's case to be all that bad. If you care to pick it apart properly then I would be all ears.
Last I checked VE did that himself. And I did too. Care taking a look at those and than say that Toad's case is "not bad"?
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I wanna hear Marvel's thoughts, instead of him just being lazy and going along with other people all the time.
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In general we need more towns actually posting thoughts, instead of just agreeing and disagreeing. Come on people, atm, it could just be mafia leading the entire discussion.
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On April 11 2012 15:19 Toadesstern wrote:I know I'm about to post a big post and I know a lot of you people will be all like "uuuarg, not another one of those posts and this one is even bigger, noone can make me read THAT".
But I honestly ask you to please read this post. Don't skip it. I know it's a lot to read but it's important. Ok do we lynch VE or Gonzaw today? Right now both are voting for a basicly confirmed townie (read: me) and neither of those 2 is reading the game, not even with the most recent flips they're willing to read. I think we got 2 mafia palmars in here. I'll explain this in three phases: Phase 1 - Nightkills
We've got a claimed shot from ET against michaelthe. So for now I'm assuming he really is a town vig. Even if he is a mafia vig that doesn't matter because it's about the KP amount. Mafia only as 3 normal KP. So the important part it that this is one additional kill towards the usual 3 KP. Ok what's left? sputnik.theoryJackal58MidnightGladiusslOoshThat's 4 people. Still 1 KP more than Mafia should have, right? So now ask yourself for a second who do you think mafia shot and more importantly who was the target for our 2nd vig, no matter of alignment?Let's assume we have a town vig for a second. Do you think a townvig would shoot someone like Jackal when there's people like Sputnik around? I doubt it. Next question: Do you think mafia would have shot sputnik considering there's a shitload of people willing to lynch him? I doubt it. Therefore It's either 2 town vigs or 1 townvig + 1 mafiavig and the mafiavig is ET who shot michael because no way mafia would shoot sputnik. AT ALL. I doubt ET is a mafia vig though but that has nothing to do with me being confirmed. That leaves this list of people who probably got shot by mafia, you may replace sloOsh or midnight with sputnik if you think those 2 looked equally bad but no way a townie shot Jackal: Jackal58MidnightGladiusslOoshThat's still 3 people. What's mafia KP? 3. That means mafia one-shotted every single one of those.Remember who told people NOT TO protect Jackal at all costs? That's right, that's VE and WBG. More importantly, remember who told people to protect Jackal and Toad as well? RIGHT, THAT'S ME click me!So back to our kills. What did I just say? Mafia oneshotted those guys. Do you honestly beliefe I would be asking people to protect Jackal as a mafia if I was about to shoot Jackal with a single bullet?
In what world would I EVER do such a thing as mafia?Phase 2 - Votes on Day 1
More onto why I am "confirmed" Look into the people who voted d1 and how they voted. We killed a townie with Janaan. I am pretty sure there's plenty of mafia on him as we had A LOT of troubles getting a lynch at all. Town was probably derping hardcore d1. I guess VE read that I think Hassy is mafia but did not comment on it because he did not think it was a threat because everyone ignored it. Once WBG got in the thread and placed his vote and I did the same he suddenly says he thinks Hassy is Mafia out of nowhere and places his vote there. There's 2 options here: EITHER Hassy is simply mafia and VE did not think it was a threat at all considering we only had like 4 hours left and need 16 people on Hassy and therefore wanted something to later point back and say "lookielookie, I tried killing hassy d1" only to switch later to janaan. The other option is Hassy being a townie, although I doubt that's possible. In that case VE just did whatever he wanted to because both targets are town. So basicly if Hassy is red there's probably a shitload of mafias on janaan and WBG and I pushed a red while VE conveniently jumped on the wagon himself when it looked to him like it was not going to happen and switched back to Janaan later on. If Hassy is green it's a nullPhase 3 - VE and Gonzaw the new and improves Mafia-Palmars
I'm going to make this short because this is not about me being as townish as you can get but about VE and Gonzaw being mafia. Short "sadly" means I'll be only covering one point each. It's still a wall of text. First a little about VE:Remember the weird post claiming VE thinks hassy is mafia? I am talking about this one: clicky!The second I saw that I asked wbg what he thinks about it because that post is highly suspicious, wbg said I am probably paranoid and I left it with that for the moment. I'll just quote 3 really short phrases out of that post: thefuck? Really? Next thing: Remember how basicly everyone said I am looking okay or nullish except for gonzaw? VE did not say a thing because he saw everyone saying I'm okay, especially wbg and Jackal thinking I'm fine probably made him not want to touch me based on a case that's based on "Toad posts wall of texts". He knows there's no way out of this. He is to go all-in on me to at least get another mislynch before he dies and you know what will happen the second I flip town? gonzaw said he thinks VE and I am both Mafia. The second I flip town gonzaw will walz in this thread telling people some bullshit about being sorry how wrong he was and his reads are so off that he'll have to rethink everything, obviously no longer willing to lynch VEOk now a little about gonzaw: His case is still not existing. I kept asking him what his case is about. He keeps saying some bullshit about how I am not caring, not taking stances, not commiting, not asking questions and how I am so different. Guess what. Everything he said so far was ruled out and declared to be bullshit. I am not taking stances? I did, I talked about my reads and made it pretty clear who I want dead and who I did not want dead. I was asked a shitload of questions from a lot of people. I answered every single one of those no matter how stupid. Yet he keeps telling me I am ignoring questions. Gonzaw paddled back and said "well ok you did, BUT I should not have to ask you about those things, you should post them nonstop" which is firstly incredible wrong because I am not going to post every single read I have, especially the townie ones and secondly people already told me to chill out because I was posting way too much. He never wanted me to post more, he had to find a cheap excuse to keep his case alive. If I do post more about my reads people like wbg, VE and Jackal would have an easy time discrediting me because I am shitting up the thread and at least wbg did and if I did not post more about my reads I am considered to be mafia by gonzaw and he keeps on bombing the thread. He created a classic lose-lose situation for me and no matter what I did in that situation I would have been called mafia for what I was about to do.Next thing he does is saying I don't care. I show him Mafia 48 telling him people thought I am the most likely guy in the WHOLE GAME to be a townie because I was caring about the game so much. He again paddels back, agrees that that was wrong as well only to say "well you only pushed targets you wanted to push in Mafia 48". Well duh, what should I have pushed instead? Pulled a VE and be like "GUYSES I WANT TO LYNCH RAD SO I AM VOTING ANNUL LOL" ?!? If that's not what you were talking about but instead were talking about me pushing town targerts and not pushing mafias this is no different because we got a single flip so far. That guy was green and I was NOT on it. How in the world are you telling me I am pushing the wrong targets when you should not have information about such a thing as a townie? Especially not on d1 / n1 Next thing that happens is me asking for some example. So far he kept telling me I am posting different. What about some examples from my older games that show that I am posting so different? He goes on and says I am talking about old games in this game and talking about useless stuff which I only do as mafia. Newsflash: Storm clicky-clicky!Yeah that post I did was pretty retarded, not one of my brightest moments, but saying I only do that stuff as mafia obviously is not true. He paddles back, agrees that he was wrong there again to say my style resembles Storm the most but that's only because Mafia 48 doesn't count because it's already so old. I am sorry I am not 24 / 7 rolling mafia. It only played mafia twice ever: mafia 48 and Resistance 1. I tell him to explain again what he thinks is "weird" about me and ask about specific examples because clearly nothing he said so far was right. He keeps on saying I am weird, doesn't provide any more examples other than what already was said and keeps repeating stuff he already agreed to be wrong. That's it for gonzaw and his case on me. Now tell me: HOW IN THE WORLD is that guy a townie. He was probably told to tunnel me a bit by some of his buddies because of stuff like that: Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:20 Radfield wrote:
No, that's not why you were in group 2. I just needed more padding for group 2: risk.nuke because the previous game i played with him he was hyper-aggressive which often makes people suspicious, and Toad because your scum play is very 'pro-town' oriented which means that even if you are posting pro-town it's easy to be suspicious of you. According to VE I am unreadable. That guy claimes to have legendary reads right now. How is it that someone like Kita FAKECLAIMES DT who got a green check on me in Storm because according to him I was so obviously town (just imagine the situation, fakeclaiming a DT check as a townie, that's rather drastic if you name is not schworz) to save me from being lynched by mafia + SK. Yet VE walzes in this thread saying he wants to lynch me because I am unreadable. Because I am unreadable. I'm going to repeat that. I AM UNREADABLE?!? the fuck-#2 and the fuck-#3 at the same time. There's two possiblities here: 1) He really thinks I am unreadable and has not a single Scumread that is better than true-rnd. 2) He really thinks I am mafia in which case I am not unreadable if he thinks he is right. Case 1 is obviously not the case. IF that would be the case it would mean VE has not a single scumread on d1 with 6 dead townies that he considers to be better than true-rnd. That'd be totally awful. Case 2 is interesting. Why should he claim I am unreadable if he thinks I am mafia? Either he lies about thinking I am mafia OR he wants to have a nice cop-out after lynching me claiming "sry guys, I told you he is unreadable  " Soooo. Long post is already long so I'll stop here. I haven't talked a lot about VE and gonzaw but I'm already doubting all of you will read this because it's so long so I'm stopping here. Take what I said into consideration: Do you really think I am a mafia who single-target-shot Jackal just to ask for medic protection on Jackal prior to shooting him? Do you really think it's a good idea to lynch the guy who was not on the townie lynch d1 while probably of bunch of townies tried to get janaan killed? Do you really think Gonzaw and VE are townies considering what I just said? For those of you you answer a single or more of those 3 questions with yes go ahead and click the spoiler please: + Show Spoiler [click me!] +For those of you who answered all of the 3 questions with a no: Congratz on being awesome. Now talk about who we should lynch today. I am eating my hat if one of those two guys turns out to be town and I've only got a single hat. That's a fancy Faschings-hat (according to dict.cc that word exists in english as well!) and eating that would be painful: + Show Spoiler [my hat] +It's actually not MY hat but the hat of a friend and they're all the same ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1F6zi.png) That being sad. I'll quote myself from this very post because I can not believe how someone is possibly suggesting to lynch me given the kills we got unless that guy hasn't reath the thread or is not actively asking himself what those kills imply. Oh and sry if I got a shitload of spelling mistakes or words missing inbetween. It's 8 am in germany so I'm still pretty sleepy. It took me an hour to write and check it.
Could be a struggle.
Phase 1: Unproductive WIFOM
Phase 2: Unproductive WIFOM, on how he is 'confirmed' when he simply isn't
Phase 3: On to the bit about VE. The bit about voting on Day 1 is the only sensible part, one that I have picked up on myself, and am taking VE's inactive reasoning under advisement. Further we have:
VE did not say a thing because he saw everyone saying I'm okay, especially wbg and Jackal thinking I'm fine probably made him not want to touch me based on a case that's based on "Toad posts wall of texts".
He knows there's no way out of this. He is to go all-in on me to at least get another mislynch before he dies and you know what will happen the second I flip town?
gonzaw said he thinks VE and I am both Mafia. The second I flip town gonzaw will walz in this thread telling people some bullshit about being sorry how wrong he was and his reads are so off that he'll have to rethink everything, obviously no longer willing to lynch VE
Just pointless speculation. It is just babble. All that remains of the case on VE is this:
According to VE I am unreadable. That guy claimes to have legendary reads right now. How is it that someone like Kita FAKECLAIMES DT who got a green check on me in Storm because according to him I was so obviously town (just imagine the situation, fakeclaiming a DT check as a townie, that's rather drastic if you name is not schworz) to save me from being lynched by mafia + SK. Yet VE walzes in this thread saying he wants to lynch me because I am unreadable. Because I am unreadable. I'm going to repeat that. I AM UNREADABLE?!? the fuck-#2 and the fuck-#3 at the same time. There's two possiblities here: 1) He really thinks I am unreadable and has not a single Scumread that is better than true-rnd. 2) He really thinks I am mafia in which case I am not unreadable if he thinks he is right. Case 1 is obviously not the case. IF that would be the case it would mean VE has not a single scumread on d1 with 6 dead townies that he considers to be better than true-rnd. That'd be totally awful. Case 2 is interesting. Why should he claim I am unreadable if he thinks I am mafia? Either he lies about thinking I am mafia OR he wants to have a nice cop-out after lynching me claiming "sry guys, I told you he is unreadable
What the hell is this unreadable bullshit, backed up by someone else's read on him in another game? Case 2 is just more WIFOM.
So, to summarise his case on VE:
1)sketchy voting on day 1. Fine - this is a fact.
2)VE would have to all-in me if he were mafia. No he wouldn't. And then gonzaw would do this and that. No he doesn't have to.
3)VE is mafia and is producing an unreadable cop-out excuse. ???
Jesus.
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EBWOP: post above is aimed at Zealos - i.e. "could be a struggle" = to dissect the terrible VE case.
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On April 12 2012 00:01 Zealos wrote:
In general we need more towns actually posting thoughts, instead of just agreeing and disagreeing. Come on people, atm, it could just be mafia leading the entire discussion.
Coming from someone who just jumps in and agrees and disagrees and never posts full out opinions on things, just vague general nonsense. Never scum hunts and waits for others to do work for him to come in later to agree or disagree with it.
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Holy Fuck Mavelosity, dont quote that shit unless its spoilered, espeically for 3 lines of comments. lol
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EBWOP: Nevermind more than 3 lines of comments, just that pony picture hurts the eyes.
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Why I think VE is scum:
1.Holding a low profile on day 1. Posting just enough to not be called a lurker, just too little to get any attention. He comments on the obvious stuff, and try to look active, but never really take a hard stance on anyone. “Well this 95 % of town on day 1, you can’t seriously think THIS is why he is scum” Well, no not alone, but together with the rest it makes sense. He makes some “cases” near the end of day 1. But don’t stick to his reads. Way to go if you are town…
2.Vote vote vote, BUT, with no reasoning behind it. You guys have mentioned it before, but this is such a big read that I must include it. He vote Risen for his case on ET, really a pisspoor reason for a vote. He then votes Jackal, for giggles. He then votes me, for no reason, and to concolidate he says (NOOO, he did it to get in on a bandwagon that was seemingly out of control), he makes his HB=scum, Toad=scum but I go for janaan post, switches to HB when it starts to get in motion and then back again. Especially his consolidate votes are just utterly rubbish. “But a lot of other players did this as well, why aren’t you calling them scum?” Well, most of them are dead and/or noobs, I expect more from experienced players!
3.ME SO ANGRY, ME TYPE IN CAPS. He is clearly pretending to be angry, just like he did in AC. He have responded to pressure the same way in this game as he did in AC. The caps typing was the final nail.
4.He have overall been superwierd in this game.
Also I suck at writing cases, but I know I am right on VE though. Also when VE flip I know 100% the next target. Not been mentioned thus far, but won’t derail the thread with it. We need to stay focused and we need to lynch VE. We need to keep it simple, lynch the scummier player first (Read Ace’s journal from Death Factory 2!)!
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On April 12 2012 00:05 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 00:01 Zealos wrote:
In general we need more towns actually posting thoughts, instead of just agreeing and disagreeing. Come on people, atm, it could just be mafia leading the entire discussion. Coming from someone who just jumps in and agrees and disagrees and never posts full out opinions on things, just vague general nonsense. Never scum hunts and waits for others to do work for him to come in later to agree or disagree with it.
Yeah, it's pretty rich. I take my angle on how I imagine town VE's behaviour to be and quiz VE on it, followed by dissecting toad's filter with my own analysis.
Now he tells me to think for myself (???) while contributing nothing.
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On April 11 2012 23:47 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 23:37 ghost_403 wrote:
Also, holy crap has johnny been lurking. But you don't mention BH, Grackaroni and Katina? And your just barely getting out lurking yourself Mr. Ghost. Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 23:40 Tunkeg wrote:
Viscera "Oh I am fucked anyways time to make some accusations on my scummate BH" Eyes
Wat, have you been following the thread recently? Also I have been reading thread but pretty busy at work will try to take a stab at things within the next 4-5 hours.
OK this is 6 hours ago, excuse me for bringing it up. I must obviously not be following the thread since this shit is real old news:
On April 11 2012 18:14 VisceraEyes wrote:BH is definitely looking bad to me. The last game we were in together (as town) he took AS active of a stance as I did in trying to lead town (at least, when he showed up he did  ). I've said before that I think he looks different this game, and I'm pretty sure by now that it's because he's scum.I want zelblade to post more. I want a lot of people to post more. gonzaw isn't one of them. What do you agree with in Toad's case Gonzaw? What part of it resonates with you? Is it the part where he calls himself confirmed town seventeen times or is it the part where he says I have a read on him in spite of saying he's unreadable? Because that's literally all his case is. Literally. I'm sorry I wasn't as active as you liked D1, and I've promised that wouldn't be the case since I've returned...and since I've returned that has been the case. I don't know what else you expect from me except to find scum, and that's what I've done. I fucking guarantee Toad is scum. What else do you want from me Gonzaw? What else do you want from me ANYONE IN TOWN? This wagon on me is dumb, and got way big way fast. Scum ARE on it. I don't know how many, but it's a decent cross-section of town and I'm not on it, so scum are most assuredly on my wagon already. I attest that one is Toad and if his stupidity persists, Bugs too.
If you are going to accuse me of not reading the thread, then do me a favour and read it yourself.
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Oh forgot:
##Vote: VisceraEyes
reason:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 10 2012 20:39 Tunkeg wrote:
Oh, you decided to not lynch me. Gee how nice of you, NOT.
Instead you do the same mistake as in the case against me and just jump on any halfassed case because you are to lazy to do some actual scumhunting. Now you are probably comforting yourself with, and justifying your silly actions by, herp derp he played bad anyways, not a big loss to town. Well you are wrong, he was playing more open and more townie then the majority of players in here.
How I read the crazy voteshifting taking place last night:
Gonzaw, well I might have been wrong about him. He was sticking his neck out to get janaan. Not a great case he made, but still. No need for scum to do this in this town.
Kenpachi - The secound voter on janaan, and without a reason. Seems like a scum non-commiting move. Have also posted nothing usefull in this game.
Jackal58 - Third voter for janaan. Also without a reason. Also seems like a scum non-commiting move. Are the scum team really lining up their players like this in a vote? Maybe, maybe not. I think those two are the ones who look most suspicious on the janaan train. Also Jackal58 haven't done shit all game long except being a crybaby about me singeling him out. He is also anti-town to such a degree that he might just be scum ("I'd defend you, but I don't feel like it").
VE - Omg flipflopping all over the place, voting here and voting there. Anything to secure the lynch. Suspicious indeed.
michaelthe and johnnywup - headless chickens voting for anything that the majority is voting for. Not scum, just bad.
Was it scum that made the janaan train go through? No, it was desperate town that did. Maybe a scum or two was on the train. Most likely early. Maybe someone late, to blend in. But they really didn't need to, because town is hurting itself so bad.
So again, thanks for saving me, only for you to be offended by me again on day 2, and misslynching me then instead... On April 11 2012 23:40 Tunkeg wrote:Here is the scumteam and how they play the game now: Viscera "Oh I am fucked anyways time to make some accusations on my scummate BH" Eyes Adam "I will stab VE in the back and accuse BH for town cred" 4167 Ka " I love VE so much, don't kill him" tina Blazing "I don't give a fuck about what you geezers are doing" Hand. I am totally in Toads corner on this one. I am as certain as I have ever been i na mafia game --> VE is scum. Toad is bad at finding scum, I am bad at finding scum, but when we team up we are a beast. In Arkham City we hit scum everyday together. You can say we are T and T = TNT. + Show Spoiler +My post on why VE is scum comming up! On April 12 2012 00:07 Tunkeg wrote:
Why I think VE is scum:
1.Holding a low profile on day 1. Posting just enough to not be called a lurker, just too little to get any attention. He comments on the obvious stuff, and try to look active, but never really take a hard stance on anyone. “Well this 95 % of town on day 1, you can’t seriously think THIS is why he is scum” Well, no not alone, but together with the rest it makes sense. He makes some “cases” near the end of day 1. But don’t stick to his reads. Way to go if you are town…
2.Vote vote vote, BUT, with no reasoning behind it. You guys have mentioned it before, but this is such a big read that I must include it. He vote Risen for his case on ET, really a pisspoor reason for a vote. He then votes Jackal, for giggles. He then votes me, for no reason, and to concolidate he says (NOOO, he did it to get in on a bandwagon that was seemingly out of control), he makes his HB=scum, Toad=scum but I go for janaan post, switches to HB when it starts to get in motion and then back again. Especially his consolidate votes are just utterly rubbish. “But a lot of other players did this as well, why aren’t you calling them scum?” Well, most of them are dead and/or noobs, I expect more from experienced players!
3.ME SO ANGRY, ME TYPE IN CAPS. He is clearly pretending to be angry, just like he did in AC. He have responded to pressure the same way in this game as he did in AC. The caps typing was the final nail.
4.He have overall been superwierd in this game.
Also I suck at writing cases, but I know I am right on VE though. Also when VE flip I know 100% the next target. Not been mentioned thus far, but won’t derail the thread with it. We need to stay focused and we need to lynch VE. We need to keep it simple, lynch the scummier player first (Read Ace’s journal from Death Factory 2!)!
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As of now I have 4 players I am fairly sure is town, to an extent that I just threat them as confirmed townies. I am obviously not going to list them all, but Toadsstern is one of those. I can not see how any of you can think he is scum (Fool me now Toad and our TNT thing is over!).
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The Toadesstern Case
Phase 2 - Malicious Mudlinging and the Fecal Thread - In which we see how the posts Toad started making an "effort" are really only designed to throw the thread into disarray and make reading it a chore.
My first case falls into this category and can be found here. To add to it, Toad has said that no one thought he was scum D1 and is actually using that in his case against me....but Katina clearly thought he was scum (hence the vote and subsequent D2 vote). Also gonzaw thought he was scum. Also I thought he was scum. But none of us thought he was scum. *shrug*
The following posts were made all in response to Gonzaw. At the time, Gonzaw was one of a few people who were after Toad because he hadn't been properly contributing to the hunt for scum. Let's take a look.
On April 09 2012 07:30 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote:
Regarding other lynch "candidates":
FourFace:
I still don't get what he's trying to do; but I don't see how his actions make him scum. He acted like this in previous games; I'd prefer if he's ignored, or at least the discussion is not about him. Saying he's "creating chaos" is only right if people start arguing about/with him and let the thread be clogged up with pointless "Oh 4face is anti-town oh oh" stuff.
Tunkeg:
His "win/loss ratio" list didn't do any good; but it's not an alignment tell.
I find his tone and posting style weird, like saying things like "Phone home, goddammed alien" and shit. That's certainly NOT the way he played when we played together; and apart from discussing his list/random lynch, and discrediting BH I haven't seen him contribute that much.
I don't know what to think about his behaviour (seems trollish, but again that doesn't determine his alignment); but I wouldn't be against killing him if he doesn't step up his game like I know he can do.
Wherebugsgo:
I dunno why, but I don't think he's scum because I think he would play better if he was scum; and I know some people think he plays "bad" as town.
Apart from some trolling of him, I don't find him scummy, and wouldn't want him lynched today.
Sputnik:
He's very aggressive, and so far he hasn't done anything scummy IMO.
Waiting for more contributions from him.
About Risen vs ET and other stuff:
The Risen vs ET thing has been fully covered I think.
2 players clogging the thread and going against each other because of some petty stuff. Nothing suspicious here, it actually makes me think both are town because of that.
I think Risen and ET are town for other reasons too (small ones actually), but if it doesn't help mentioning them I won't.
Although it was stupid for Risen to do so, but I can see where he's coming from (making "playful" posts, full of smileys, etc); but his execution was very bad.
I would like leaving him alone for now.
If you have any questions to me ask away. I chose not to comment on ALL interactions this game or ask questions to everybody since that didn't do very good last time I did it.
@sloosh: I'd like more contributions from you, you say that we shouldn't spend time arguing about the spreadshit, but you don't do anything yourself.
I wouldn't be against lynching Toad though; will post more about him after people comment on Janaan.
I'd like to hear what wbg got to say about the wbg part :p
The most important part of this post is, unbelievably, it's length. Look at the post Toad quoted. Look at the sheer enormity of it. Look at the content contained within the quoted confines. It's huge guy. Now look at Toad's response.
"I'd like to hear what wbg got to say about the wbg part :p"
Really Toad? You quoted that monster only to make a throwaway comment about bugs? Someone who is on your scum-radar right now for the "stupid shit" he's doing? What about the rest of the post? There's a bunch of content in there that you're not even addressing. Why? What was the point? This quote ALONE takes up like a quarter of 1 page man, what the eff?
It serves no purpose but to shit up the thread guys, and it doesn't stop there.
On April 09 2012 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 07:51 gonzaw wrote:About Toad:Here's what I think of him: On April 08 2012 19:35 Toadesstern wrote:Sup guyses, here I am. Anything important going on other than noobs bashing each other? I'm referring to that Risen vs ET conversation I just read and I don't know what to make of Risen yet. I have no idea what Risen is trying to achieve as he clearly is stretching when talking about / with ET imo. However I really liked this post he did: On April 08 2012 15:14 Risen wrote:On April 08 2012 14:46 Katina wrote:
EchelonTee, I have made the observation that your posting is different from jubjub. I don't remember you swearing or USING CAPS TO EMPHASIZE A POINT. Last game you were active but very laid back and you turned out to be Mafia. That scratches out one person I have to worry about being mafia. The fuck? How does that make him instantly town? The only way you could make the judgement this early is if you KNEW he wasn't town. As in, hi scumI'm off to bed at this point. Hopefully the euros will get in this thread and keep it active. I mean, I don't like the post itself but the message itself is okayish. What Katina said is wrong and if that's not some kind of joke it's definitively weird and has to be pointed out. So I'd really like to have less of those "yo dude, I didn't accuse you in the first place - sure you did - no I didn't - WHAT?!?!" posts as they're pretty useless (useless like wbg's vote) and more of those "that's stupid, stop it" posts (as long as they've got at least a little tiny bit of an explanation so everyone can understand what's going on in your head) and if someone keeps doing stupid things although we told him to stop it we lynch him the next day. Pretty easy. And yeah, you know I agree with VE when he said shooting/lynching lurkers is a nice thing to do. I agree that I don't like to lynch them early on because that gives so little information and it's really easy for mafia to just hop on lurker-wagons which essentially would give us 0 information. Of course that only works if we actually have vigs, so if there's no dead lurkers by the end of day 2 or day3 we might have to overthink that one. Someone else here right now? I just woke up an hour ago or so and I don't like pretending to talk to someone when I really am not. If there is someone else around here: Remember how I said I'd like to shoot VE pregame if I end up being a vig? Right now I'd shoot wbg instead if I had a gun, thoughts anyone? I found this a bad first post (although not as bad as Janaan's). His whole post is based on a "good post" Risen made (which isn't actually that good at all I think), and dwelling on that; and then just talking fluff (IMO) about the whole Risen vs ET thing. Then talking about lurkers, which is mostly fluff again. What I find about most of his posts, is that he talks A LOT about irrelevant stuff, and drags it way too much. He posts some fluff, and instead of being clear about his reads and intentions he spends paragraphs discussing some things which again, are irrelevant, or he spends a lot of time discussing things he could have said with just 1 sentence. For instance this post: On April 09 2012 01:20 Toadesstern wrote:On April 08 2012 23:59 slOosh wrote:On April 08 2012 19:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Pretty easy. And yeah, you know I agree with VE when he said shooting/lynching lurkers is a nice thing to do. I agree that I don't like to lynch them early on because that gives so little information and it's really easy for mafia to just hop on lurker-wagons which essentially would give us 0 information. Of course that only works if we actually have vigs, so if there's no dead lurkers by the end of day 2 or day3 we might have to overthink that one.
So what is your conclusion on the matter of lurkers? Lynch them or no? On April 08 2012 21:18 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually say Risen and WBG are the only ones being suspicious for me right now. I don't think ET is that weird.
However I liked the one post from Risen I quoted so that's given me a little townread.
Right now it really feels like what I thought about VE in storm. I had a bunch of things that made me think he's town, I had a bunch of things that made me think he's mafia and I didn't know what to make of that and he ended up being 3rd party but of course this is only day1 based on a couple hours of our game :p
To you WBG is suspicious but Kenpachi isn't? What exactly makes WBG suspicious? 1) Lynch them if we need to. I'd rather see them shot and have our lynches on people were we force people to take a stance as it's quite easy for mafia to be on a lurker-lynch and argue that that's just normal as everyibe did that as well and there's very little reasoning involved other than "the guy is a lurker". However telling people you think X is scummy, Y is scummy and Z is scummy because of *insert analysis here* and seeing all 3 flipping town is a little worrying unless you're a retarded compulsive vig like SOME PEOPLE tend to be. So that's why I'd like to have real lynches and keep the lurkers for our vig/vigs if we got some unless we don't have a legit real lynch candidate around. In that case lynching a lurker is fine as a safe option imo. 2) Funny you mentioned Kenpachi. He's the guy I'd like to shoot if I had to shoot someone other than wbg right now. But that's not because he's suspicious but because he's Kenpachi. I totally hate that "style" and he will be a controversial topic at some point in this game imo. I doubt he's going to be helpful at all all game long and he's probably going to lurk all the time while sometimes posting a couple of oneliners that have nothing to do with the thread but may or may not benefit his own ability to judge people based on reactions. That's how I feel about Kenpachi and long story short = he's a null for me and I doubt he's going to go highly either the one or the other way in reads so if I had to shoot it'd be a coinflip option which is bad but really a secure shot because it's not like shooting Kenpachi is going to harm the game like shooting a Vet would if that guy turns out to be a townie. Also I find a kind of "neutral" tone in his posts. Like he doesn't care that much (but take this with a grain of salt). Also, what Katina says is kind of true, he lacks some "focus". He does start saying Risen is suspicious, and then WBG and Kenpachi are (although he then says Ken is null, well whatever). But then he goes off topic with the previous stuff I mentioned, then spends paragraphs and paragraphs discussing how he "tries to appear town". And he solely focuses on discrediting Kenpachi and FoSing WBG, and I don't find his reasons compelling, nor clear enough. I'd want him or Janaan lynched instead of the other candidates today. So people, I ask you again: What do you think about Toad and what I mentioned in this post?
About Janaan:His first post was very bad, and it is sufficient for a Day 1 lynch on him IMO. Yes, I want him pressured, and I want other people's thoughts on him and if they agree on lynching him based on his 1st post, and lack of participation considering the enthusiastic tone of his post. Mostly, I want him lynched; but again I'd prefer to reap the benefits from this pressure on him as well (i.e opinions from other people, how Janaan handles the pressure, etc). Ok so you never played with me I guess? Newsflash: I do everything you said as town ever since my 2nd game of mafia, also known as the "hyshes-disaster" Seriously, all you've got on me is me making these wall of texts and while I can understand some people don't like that it's what I do and I if you've got nothing except for that it's just the worst case ever... You're taking a meta argument and you're saying "here's what toad does every single game, he does it this game as well, therefore he has to be mafia" which is just awful. I mean please go ahead and just look realy short at my filter in other games I play town. My most recent games as town are L, AC and Storm if I'm not forgetting something. You will see very soon that I'm doing that kidn of thing all the time by just opening a single filter of my previously played games. Could you explain what you're referring to when talking about a neutral tone because I don't see that? Show nested quote +And he solely focuses on discrediting Kenpachi and FoSing WBG, and I don't find his reasons compelling, nor clear enough. Do you want me to focus on more different people? That's kind of weird? So do you find my lack of focus (which I can't see) weird or do you find me focusing on things weird? What is it? Oh and I never said Kenpachi is suspicious (I think?), I said he's not trying to show people if he's town or not and that I don't like him because I doubt that he's going to change that attitude making him a nice vig hit imo.
Again, huge post, but responds hugely. What does he say? Well to the meta argument he says "It's what I do" and to the content from this game he doesn't even respond to gonzaw's question at all. The problem gonzaw had (and he made it clear) was that he didn't think the reasoning Toad provided for being suspicious of Bugs and Kenpachi was sufficient, or even clear. Toad's response? "What do you want me to do? You say you want me focused but you don't want me focused...which is it?"............completely ignoring the issue at hand, his unclear reasoning for being suspicious of Bugs and Kenpachi.
Oh, he also admits, again, that he doesn't find Kenapchi suspicious but wants him dead. Don't wanna call that lurking townie suspicious, nooooooo.
On April 09 2012 08:51 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 08:33 gonzaw wrote:Toad: No, I'm reading Arkham City and I find your style different from here. You are way too verbose this game. In AC, you didn't seem to make big "fluffy" posts, and when you spoke you were concise about your thoughts (even if you had many of them and wrote paragraphs about them). Also, AC was a game with special mechanics, so talking a little bit too much about them was fine. There are no strange mechanics here, so there's no reason for you to do so this game. Same as L, I see your filter there and find you make concise points, have a different attitude than here (you seem too "diplomatic" and "verbose" in this game, which is very different to your attitude in those 2 games) So no, I'm not saying "Toad is playing just like AC and L so we should lynch him"; at most I'm actually saying you are playing completely different. Now that we are talking about them here are the filters I'm talking about: AC: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=40853L: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=40853On April 09 2012 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Do you want me to focus on more different people? That's kind of weird? So do you find my lack of focus (which I can't see) weird or do you find me focusing on things weird? What is it?
That's not the "focus" I (and surely Katina) am talking about. I mean that you go and pressure Kenpachi/wbg, but then you start rambling with Katina/sloosh about lurkers and why you act like you act, etc. Then you go back to Kenpachi/wbg, but then you start rambling about why you are "trying to act like town". You just mention those players every once and then, but it gets lost in the middle of your posts. It's like your reads take a backseat to the other stuff you are discussing. It seems that your FoS on Ken/wbg/Risen goes unnoticed, it's like you don't really care about it. I don't see you actively voting them, pressuring them, asking other people about them, etc. Again, not mentioning I don't find your reads and reasons for them compelling enough. Could you explain what you're referring to when talking about a neutral tone because I don't see that? It relates to that "lack of focus" thing I said earlier and how it seems you don't "care that much" about the game. I want other people's thoughts on this first though. I'm answering the 2nd part first because that's really easy and short: Take a look at the timestamps. I did my first post when I woke up. That was something like 11am german time because I wasn't awake earlier. From that point on I keep talking about my thoughts & reads, also about WBG (Kenpachi really is more like a sidenote, I just happened to actually play a couple of games with him) because I thought his vote was stupid beyond belief. That's why I wanted to know why. Now remember the timestamp. WBG is from the US, I am from germany. Want me to go on post about WBG while he's clearly not here? There was no point in focussing more about wbg when I wanted him to answer my question and he wasn't there so naturally I'm ignoring it for the next couple of hours until he actually gets in here. Sounds pretty simple, doesn't it? On your 1st point: I don't think I am. Yes I was very much more "in your face" in both L and AC but both are games I played with a pretty confident mindset based on the games before those. In Storm for example I changed that completly and people said the exact same thing about me being very diplomatic because I took a hard beating in AC and didn't want to ruin another game. I mean it's day1 after all. Maybe I'm more fluffy on day? Also consider that both AC, Storm and L were MASSIVLY staked with vets so I didn't think I had to be as active as usual (just imagine what would have happened if I tried to be active those games :p ). This game however is different as we've got way more new people and I feel obligated to explain my thoughts a little more first to establish a town atmosphere in which people actually explain their thoughts (although according to you I'm overdoing tat) and secondly to not get another "hyshes-disaster". However I don't think I am diplomatic. If I'd try to be diplomatic I'd dish out a couple of town reads as they're easy to do and not talk about what I think is suspicious.
More arguing with Gonzaw, more dancing around the issue. He AGAIN sidesteps what he ACTUALLY finds suspicious about Bugs. Again. This time Gonzaw was even more specific and talked about Toad's rambling at Katina and slOosh...but Toad is like, as wordy and as meaningless as ever with his post. There are some other things I found interesting in this post too.
1) He uses the words "very much more in your face" to describe his play in AC and L, citing a more confident mindset...but then later uses the words "didn't think I had to be as active as usual" to describe his play in AC and L. He's just making up shit as he types man! Read the underlined statements and see if you can reconcile them. I couldn't.
2) Read the bolded statement. Then read the italicized statement inside of it. Then read the name. Then read the italicized statement. Then read the bolded statement. Then read the name. Then look at the top of this post and look at the color of the name there. Then read the italicized statement again.
WE HAVE A REAL LIVE SCUMSLIP!!!
In what WAY is "dishing out town reads" easy as a townie? I don't know anyone's alignment, does Toad? What is he even talking about? He's talking about how easy it is to dish out town reads because he forgot for a second that he's scum and knows everyone's alignment!
Fucking unreal.
These next few quotes are from his back and forth with ghost_403...someone he I'm sure still attests to think is scum, yet never pushes and never comes back to after the day post.
On April 10 2012 00:11 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 00:00 ghost_403 wrote:Tunkeg has been the standout scummy player to me in this thread thus far. His not-so-random lynch is a terrible idea on so many levels, making him either scum or an idiot. Ironically, by his own logic, this makes him an ideal lynch. This managed to derail the thread for quite some time, which really stops the town from functioning efficiently, especially in such a big game. In addition, his posts on this page, including such gems as On April 09 2012 22:04 Tunkeg wrote:
In the land of the fools the king is better of dead... is basically him giving up. I vote we bandwagon the hell out of him and lynch him today.##vote TunkegAlso, looks like michaelthe and janaan both rolled scum. So sad. That's an interesting choice of words. "I vote we bandwagon the hell out of him". Is it just me feeling that that way or is the word bandwagon a pretty negative one? I always picture it as something like an avalanche when people say stuff like "that's the worst bandwagon ever" because if you talk about a good lynch you use the word lynch and not bandwagon, don't you? Imo that word is implying that a negative outcome is pretty likely because of that meaning. It's like already implying that a tunkeg-lynch would be a townie lynch. Am I the only one reading that phrase so negatively because in my book "bandwagon" is a really strong, negative word?
Here we see Toad's "scumdar" pinged when ghost_403 uses the word "bandwagon". Stop laughing I'm serious.
He considers it a "negative" word. Cool. Neat. But the "negative" connotation that he's referring to corresponds to people on a lynch candidate with no reason, not a word to describe the outcome of a lynch.
So it's not at all implying what Toad says it implies. At all. This is baseless mudslinging of a lurker over semantic use of a word. Scumhunting Supreme.
On April 10 2012 00:22 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 00:20 ghost_403 wrote:
Toadstern, you're on my naughty list too. I was giving you the opportunity to jump on board and at least look a bit townie. Bit too late now. so you're ignoring what I just said and respond with an OMGUS because I am apparently on your "naughty list" and because of what I just said I am looking worse to you, or what are you referring to with "bit too late now" ? Anyways, sounds incredible solid.
Discredit by dismissal. Classic scum move.
On April 10 2012 00:47 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 00:28 ghost_403 wrote:
@Toad: And your post wasn't? Instead of taking sides in the "lynch Tunkeg" discussion, you pointed out how a phrase that I used in my post had a negative connotation. The language that I use to communicate my ideas should be completely irrelevant compared to the ideas themselves. I want to lynch Tunkeg because I think he's scummy, and I want other people to help me do that. Discuss. the point is that I think I found a mafia who needs to dump his vote somewhere, he figured Tunkeg is a nice option and therefore said we should bandwagon him, subconsciously leaking that you actually think/know Tunkeg is a townie. That's what I'm reading in your one phrase and that's why I want other people to tell me if that observation is correct or if I'm the only one using the word "bandwagon" in that fashion. Yes I consider that kind of thing to be pretty important. Not to begin with the idea itself being incredible stupid. If you're not a 100% sure on Tunkeg (or at least pretty sure) you're possibly giving Mafia the best option for a cop-out ever if he ends up flipping green because you're teling people "let's bandwagon this guy". Yes, I don't think we should be lynching Tunkeg today mostly because what he did is what I like to do as well although I usually only do it if I got some prove that I actually did that on purpose (read L, the masonpart with SS) or if I'm incredible pissed and don't care anymore. While I don't like that move at all because there's no reason to be pissed that early (before he did that move, I could understand him being pissed right now) and apparently there is no mason log proving that he actually did that on purpose to fish for reactions and reasons behind peoples accusations, I can see people do that kind of thing as a townie simply because I tend to do it from time to time as well. That being sad I'll put my vote on you Sir ##vote ghost_403
Wait wwwaiit...So we've got WBG, Kenpachi (but not Kenpachi), Risen, Hassybaby all as suspicious players........and you vote for ghost_403.
Kay....sooooooo....
Phase 2 Sumarry: Toadesstern, when pressed to contribute, is mostly interested in defending himself against people who don't really think he's scum. He's also interested in shitting up the thread with a ton of HUGE quotes, knowing full well it shits up the thread (he's making a conscious effort not to do it, remember) and votes for ghost_403, not any of his other scum-reads that he's accumulated in his vast amounts of scumhunting that he failed to do, on the basis of using the word "bandwagon" instead of "lynch" or something equally ridiculous.
Toadesstern has GOT to die. We can only do it together because he's got some friends.
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Another reason why VE is scum. These insane wall of text posts that he only started doing after he got caught! What a great way of cluttering up the thread! Also for you Toad, please stop doing it! I know its the way you play, but if both you and VE and then VE's scumbuddy keep doing this these pages wil be unreadable.
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On April 12 2012 00:05 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 00:01 Zealos wrote:
In general we need more towns actually posting thoughts, instead of just agreeing and disagreeing. Come on people, atm, it could just be mafia leading the entire discussion. Coming from someone who just jumps in and agrees and disagrees and never posts full out opinions on things, just vague general nonsense. Never scum hunts and waits for others to do work for him to come in later to agree or disagree with it.
I'm pretty sure you were the first to bring up his past play? (being good at mafia and not town)
I originally stated that I thought his town play was good, and was promoting a scum hunting atmosphere. I am failing to see what exactly you are scared of from WBG, are you scum? and afraid of him catching you out? Maybe you just want to make the whole thread get derailed again? I feel this is the last we should talk of his past play, and instead look at the fact he has been playing strong all game, and if I can avoid it, won't be lynched any time soon.
VE has posted a LOT of useless filler. At the start of the game he said to be the "policy police" to which he follows with no policy all game (or something along those lines)
He also seems very happy to have the town in complete chaos, and does little to actually find scum. If we don't lynch VE today I would be pretty sad after Toads case, and should VE flip scum, then we can re-evaluate Toad.
##Vote: VisceraEyes
It's a fair point you make in the 2nd half of the post, and should have said that to begin with, instead of getting so pissy. I think it's easy to point me as inactive as I miss most of the discussion while I am asleep, and have to catch up and try to post something useful in the morning.
I think WBG is very difficult to analyse. I am leaning towards scum, but I think VE would be a stronger lynch for today. Kenpachi seems useless, making odd votes and not often trying to make a case about it, or convince the rest of town to vote the same way.
I think you are town. However, I also think you are getting too emotionally attached to the game and need to step back and look at the bigger picture. An angry town is a bad town, we need to analyse posts with objectivity in order to get the best reads.
Scum
VisceraEyes
Possibly Toad, based on the VE flip
Suspicious
Kenpachi
Zelblade (inactivity and unwilling to post, I'd like him to answer the same questions as me)
The people I think are town
Jitsu
ET
Gonzaw
Toad (again, depending on whether or not VE flips mafia)
^^ I have made stances and useful posts, if not in the VE and Toad style of posting a huge wall of text in the guise of "Being active"
Also, Marvel's only real criticism is just a lot of use of the old catchall catchphrase WIFOM, which VE himself called out to be a pointless phrase, and only leads to pointless discussion.
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