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Mementoss
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
Mementoss, a question for you, you said in an earlier post that you are more inclined to lynch seviro to get info on michael, correct? Then what are your thoughts now and have they changed from then? | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
If we lynch Seviro and Seviro flips scum, Michael would be off my radar, and Nova would still remain suspicious. If we lynch Nova_Terra and he flips town, I would be highly suspicious, and ninja4ever would be partially suspicious. If we lynch Nova_Terra and he flips scum, I would be off the radar, and ninja4ever wouldn't be that suspicious." This is what I said, and I still stand by it. However, lynch first who you think is scummiest, not by what information it can give you. Seviro is for sure the safest lynch, information wise. But either way, if we don't lynch a scum today its a huge loss, nothing can give us more information than a scum lynch. Right now Michael is kinda looking town but im not sure, he pushed the first case/vote against seviro today. Which would be ambitious for a mafia player to do, however he pushed Artanis really hard day one, this doesn't make him scummy. But it is possible that scum was taking advantage of a town slip to really kill an active townie day 1. Also WIFOM from the night kill leads me to believe mafia wanted us to go after Michael because Froggy put a case on him, then died. Only other significant thing Froggy did was point out an inconsistency on Seviro. So it kinda leads back to Seviro because at the first of the day Seviro put a case on Michael, to hope to get someone would agree with him and get a bandwagon on him, later on someone would surely mention the WIFOM to strengthen the case on Michael. But, this is all too WIFOM for me to base important decisions on. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
in early game, he played aggressively to start out which i liked. however, since then, the quality of play has gone down substantially. i just took a foray into his filter. I definitely think he goes a bit overboard on his ultimatum (which he didnt follow?) and the artanis slip thing. i can see the point of both, but he went a bit too off. He had some wishy-washyness to his vote patterns, which can be explained a bit by avoiding no lynch, but it became apparent to me that ALL 3 of the people he switched between were/are town (as i think artanis is certain at this point). he jumped happily on every little mistake that has arisen throughout the game (refered to in some guide as cherry picking town mistakes i think). After last game, i actually gave up on my "discrediting tell" philosophy, where if you call some analysis/case bad, it is often a scum move because cases which have a bad reaction to them are not thought of and taken as serious as one without any opinions on it so far. upon reading his filter, what i classified as aggressiveness in playstyle went right into discrediting and being just plain rude. He frequently has been calling points terrible and weak, even refusing to respond to a so called "weak case" made by seviro i believe. entirely wrong attitude. it also seems likes hes going heavy into gossemerr without much behind it. not so sure why. I think gossemerr is leaning town, and in general his play has been helpful. anyway, if seviro wasnt more suspicious at this point in time, i would be putting down michaelthe for this lynch (unless something else big came up). its likely that my vote tomorrow will be on michaelthe bar some other case developing. Please be a replacement for virtu if nothng else. A modkill would really kill us i should think. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
So, Gosse starts off the game very aggressively, which, similar to michael, i like early. his activity dropped off a bit after his first couple posts (where a good bit of aggressive voting goes on, may be WIFOM but that just doesnt seem like much of a scum behavior to me) which bothered me initially, but as time went on gosse posted relatively regurally each time bringinf things to the table. one of the first 2 RoF votes as well as bringing up sc2system etc. and because of these i am less inclined to think scum compared to a late voter. He actually has one of the smaller/smallest filters in the game, but each post is deliberate and he does post analysis that speaks to his advantage. of course, he is currently on the wrong side of the lynch today, but even so, i think he is leaning towards townie 65-70%. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On March 27 2012 04:57 Nova_Terra wrote: Just want to make a brief analysis on Michaelthe. in early game, he played aggressively to start out which i liked. however, since then, the quality of play has gone down substantially. i just took a foray into his filter. I definitely think he goes a bit overboard on his ultimatum (which he didnt follow?) and the artanis slip thing. i can see the point of both, but he went a bit too off. He had some wishy-washyness to his vote patterns, which can be explained a bit by avoiding no lynch, but it became apparent to me that ALL 3 of the people he switched between were/are town (as i think artanis is certain at this point). he jumped happily on every little mistake that has arisen throughout the game (refered to in some guide as cherry picking town mistakes i think). After last game, i actually gave up on my "discrediting tell" philosophy, where if you call some analysis/case bad, it is often a scum move because cases which have a bad reaction to them are not thought of and taken as serious as one without any opinions on it so far. upon reading his filter, what i classified as aggressiveness in playstyle went right into discrediting and being just plain rude. He frequently has been calling points terrible and weak, even refusing to respond to a so called "weak case" made by seviro i believe. entirely wrong attitude. it also seems likes hes going heavy into gossemerr without much behind it. not so sure why. I think gossemerr is leaning town, and in general his play has been helpful. anyway, if seviro wasnt more suspicious at this point in time, i would be putting down michaelthe for this lynch (unless something else big came up). its likely that my vote tomorrow will be on michaelthe bar some other case developing. Please be a replacement for virtu if nothng else. A modkill would really kill us i should think. Wait what? He currently has zero votes and with 7 hours to go I highly doubt you could get enough votes on him still. This lynch is pretty much between you and seviro right now, we need to lynch a mafia. today. or we'll be wasting a day. The fact that you want to lynch Michaelthe instead is suspicious to me. You should know that with 7 hours to go the chance of someone going from 0 to 5 votes is fairly unlikely. | ||
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Gossemerr
United States195 Posts
Seviro on Nova: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 23:19 Seviro wrote: If you're talking about ROS, at the time I voted on him he already had quite a lot of post, they were just not making any sense. And the Virtu vote was more like me pointing out that he said he would post his thought and that 22 hour later he had still not posted. At least by voting no-Lynch it is clear for everyone that they don'T have a clue yet as oppose that if they just didn't vote. See above. Of course it came off defensive, every single point were due to it being Day 1, these point were true for other people too as you mentionned after his post. And at this point, I was not feeling anyone was more scummy than another one since other than the lurker everyone had about the same activity and were just chit-chatting. At this point ROS was no more a lurker, he had all the time that he wanted to posting something that had some value but all we got was "I'll be better tomorrow".It's not like it was his only post. As said above, the vote on Virtu was mostly pointing out that he didn't post for 22 hour when he said he would. Ok, I didn'T say clearly "Yes I agree with you", but I added 2 quote that were strenghtening your case. What would I do that had I disagree?. Virtu's case was different since he did say he would come and post. I knoew it was coming so it was just kind of a reminder. What would I do with it? I mentioned why I did this little case on Mementoss and then I waited for Micalethe's answers. Maybe it did seems defensive and angry, but most of his point were based on false fact, saying me say something I didn'T and thing that I already answered so of course I got a little impatient. See above. Since the Artanis/Seviro case, every case I got on me were basically saying the same thing overall. Most of the point that are against me I defended them over and over again and it seems that no one notice since thehy keep coming back as if they were new. And I stand by the fact that micaelthe is needlessly discrediting others post by saying things like he did. (I don't know if you remember last game but you said yourself that it is a scum trait.) Since it seems that one of us will fall today, i'll put my vote on you and if something major happens, I might change. ##vote: Nova_Terra Nova on Seviro: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 19:21 Nova_Terra wrote: Seviro Some of the parts are spoilered at the end to save space. This post kinda came off weird to me. posts some stuff about last game, says how we shouldnt be inactive, and ends on kind of a weird note about pressuring lurkers but not lynching too fast. which is especially strange when later in the day he randomly votes for a lurker. This is one of the posts that i feel the weirdest about. he says that we should have some soft deadline which i had already stated and he agreed on, and then says we can discuss and that if someone has nobody they think is suspicious at all they can just vote No-Lynch no problem and then just switch it later when they feel like? Seems to me like hes encouraging sc2system-like behavior. really weird. Then he clears this up saying not to no-lynch, but I still don’t think that his point makes sense, its just encouraging people to say that they are undecided, then wait until last minute and flip with little explanation of their own. I don’t really think that seviro handled defending this case well.it came off very defensive and the end was just OMGUS. One thing I want to note is that he says pressuring is asking people to post thoughts and respond to questions, and lynching is voting them down. In his next few posts he just goes on about how rise of fenix is just probably bad in general, but it isn’t really helping anything. He doesn’t want to lynch him, but doesn’t really present any other option? Scummy. And then when RoF posts saying he will try to make it up he goes a bit weird. At this point it starts to go back to the thing about how he just wants to pressure lurkers and not lynch. Now hes just threatening him to post or die, which isn’t really wanting to “not lynch lurkers immediately” Lolwut? This is just…. Says lurkers should be pressured (which apparently means asking them directly for their opinion and not voting >Votes for lurker for no reason other than him not having been there for 22 hours That’s just contradicting and scummy. Then he switches between Virtu and RoF (also a lurker) In his next couple posts he just adds how system needs to be looked at. Oh, and then theres this which bugged me a bit After I post my case, the only thing I get from him is Hum, some good point there. No other thoughts on the case at all. Not really suspicious there, but to not share any thoughts on it at all? His thoughts on system were pretty much yeah hes probably bad townie but not sure if worth a lynch etc. Yeah, everyone knows hes suspicious. Mhm, compare this to No? you call a pressure play a play where you ask someone to post their opinion on a subject. + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 03:04 Seviro wrote: Ok, so now, Mementoss: He was the first one to make a real case against Rise Of Fenix which really started the train rolling in my opinion. While Rise was doing a great job of sinking himself into bad and bad post, peolple started to look more into it after this case. He also was the first one to point out sc2system lurkerness.These two people had already been mentionned beforehand, respectively by Gossemer and Ninja4ever. My point is, not that it mean anything since it was the same for a lot of people, his two main suspect flipped town which is worth pointing out I think. Now, this is not scummy in itself but I also saw a little inconsistency in his posting. In his first post he states: + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 20:41 Mementoss wrote: Therefore, I say we lynch a lurker/useless poster day 1, unless we have a significant scum slip. Why is this beneifical to us the town, even though there is a good chance it will be a townie? 1) Helps narrow down the field for scum hunting later 2) Keeps the active ratio higher for discussion 3) Attempts to keep replacements out of the game, which are always difficult to read and deal with as one persons scum meta =/= the other persons. . Then, later he is the one who notice the slip of artanis + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 01:43 Mementoss wrote: Note the bolded/underlined, its both because its a very big mistake. A very big scum slip. Why is it such a huge deal? Because we have no clue if Nova_Terra is town. AT ALL. Here are the possibilities: 1) He is scum, he knows peoples roles, therefore he knows Nova_Terra is town. Slipped it by mistake. 2) He is scum, Nova_Terra is scum, he is quick to give the idea to the rest that Nova is confirmed town, when there is no proof behind it. Just saying it because Nova is active. 3) He is town, bad town play, making assumptions that lead to town not exploring all the possibilities, getting tunnelled away from someone (See me as mafia SNMM VIII) Dat scum slip If we follow his reasoning, At this point Artanis had 66% chance of being a scum but even then he didn't put a vote even after: He point out the slip, don't believe the defense, have stated in his first post that he would vote a lurker/useless poster unless a scum slip like this happened, be even then he doesn't put his vote on him once. Now, since Artanis is a confirmed townie now (unless a counter claim but at this point I doubt it), it is not inherently scummy but these littles inconsistencies are worth mentionning if we want to scum hunt effectively. My main suspect now is Micaelthe: Here is Froggy post about his early game so I won't have to repeat it. + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 10:07 froggynoddy wrote: Wow. Michaelthe, I'm not sure if you are bad town or bad scum. Regardless, you seem pretty bad. You're first post states (after day 1) that you are for lurker lynch: You're second post has no content: Your third point is some very weak finger pointing: There is pretty much nothing to go by. Your content is zilch, you are putting suspicion on people who have more content than you; I have argued that forcing lurkers to post is beneficial to town, more convincingly than you have (as has seviro and to a certain extent Nova_Terra), yet you put a really weak case forward against three posters. I'm not voting for you YET but you seriously need to shape up. Accusing players who have posted content in day 1 seems scummy to me as there is so little to go by. Make a better case dude. (for all three of us) I want to add on his ultimatum thingie. + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 07:19 michaelthe wrote: Actually, completely by accident. He should be below sc2system and ninja, but above froggy. I was tracking posts by quality and page by assigning a value to each post from 0 (greeting, basic chatter), 1 (very basic, but maybe an opinion), 2 (basic thoughts), or 3 (solid attempt at analysis for day1). Best I could do for day1... I suspect filters and exact content will matter more on day 2 or 3+ The scores are as follows: sc2system: 0,0 (a few posts on day1 I lumpped I think) Ninja: 0,0 Froggy: 0,1,1 And, as you said and I missed: Fenix: 1,1 (Argentina) So I will add him to the list, I guess in fairness I will give him 8 hours from this post, so an extra 40 minutes or whatever  Revised list: 1. Sc2system 2. Ninja 3. Rise of Fenix 4. Froggy 2 thing I want to point out with this. First thing, 3 out of 4 on this list are now dead dead townies. Second, he post an Ultimatum than never happen: Which he emphasize as being an ultimatum. Then his first actual vote happen 23 hour after his ultimatum whereas he said an ultimatum of 8 hour more so that he vote for someone that is not on his list. Which lead me to talk about the "Feudian slip" as he calls it. He seems to insist a lot on this than needed, now that we already had ROS and sc2system under the radar he bring back a point that had been discuss hours before as if since ROS and sc2system where dead men walking at this stage if he could change day 1 lynch then day 2 and 3 would have been a big mess for the town. I'll point out also that he was not the first to vote for Artanis since my vote was still on him and most of his opinion were mostly reformulating. Then, at the end of the day he just follow the bandwagon as he see that Artanis won't get lynched. Sorry for the lenght of the post, longer than expected. He posts some seeming analysis on Mementoss and more importantly TheMichael but doesn’t really do anything with it. This is his first “real” case/important analysis. Most of his content has been defense or fluff. + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 03:39 Seviro wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 03:10 michaelthe wrote: Initial Day 2 Thoughts At the end of day1, I reread the argument between Seviro and Artanis. While I was pretty sure Artanis was scum, I thought Seviro's reponse was absurd. I came to the conclusion that one of these two were most likely scum... Since Artanis is now mostly-confirmed, the attack on Seviro gained another look. On Seviro: (This is based heavily on his filter, pull it up if you want to see specific posts, this is already long enough without them all) First substantial post after initial wave of basic crap: He is suggesting a policy lynch based on not voting within an 8 hour deadline. The reason policy lynches are bad is because it removes analysis and focuses only on the policy. This one specifically means someone would be a lynch target simply for voting 4 hours from the deadline rather than 8. If you get scum to meet the deadline, the scum get a free town kill. Seviro's reponse to Artanis Attack. I was fairly certain Artanis was scum, after what I saw as a strong slip. But I think the vig claim was great (more on that later). I reread the Artanis / Servio post and thought Artanis' attack was simple (based on day1 stuffs..) but Serviro WAY overreacted with his defense. He went on to vote for Artanis in his defense, which is a TERRBIE move! FOUR minutes later he states a willingness to go after Fenix... After the Fenix train picks up some steam, he totally forgets about Artanis. Then he changes OFF Artanis and... onto Virtu, for not being active enough. His acusations are extremely fickle. He ends the day by jumping on the same train as everyone, Fenix. After Day1, he posts that he thinks sc2system is town. He has defended bad play of Fenix and SC2 as town. ONLY MAFIA KNOW WHO TOWNIES ARE! He discusses the virtu vote as “pressure”. A vote with nothing behind it, with no case, nothing. He doesn't at all revisit his Artanis vote here. His most recent posts finally address the Artanis vote, his reasoning is ABSURD: He says it wasn't a chainsaw defense, but then pretty much describes a chainsaw defense. We have all been discussing the initial Seviro/Artanis issue, I think Seviro would rather see it buried. + Show Spoiler + Initial Day 2 Thoughts At the end of day1, I reread the argument between Seviro and Artanis. While I was pretty sure Artanis was scum, I thought Seviro's reponse was absurd. I came to the conclusion that one of these two were most likely scum... Since Artanis is now mostly-confirmed, the attack on Seviro gained another look. That is purely WIFOM. It doesn't mean it at all, let's say a 8 or even a 6 hour dealine, you had 40-42 to come up with a vote at this point in the day you should have your opinion anyway. It is in no way final but this way we can have an organized town and we have actually enough time to discuss each vote. What are you talking about?. Literally all the EFFING day I've been DEFENDING Fenix in hope that he would come up with something useful, which didn'T happen. Virtu had promised us a post which was not there at the time, after he did post I switch my vote onto Fenix since his post were making less and less sense. You must be scum right? Just because I think something and it come down that I was right it doesn't mean anything. I did not accuse him rather than defending myself, I did defend myself then I accused him, this is werew the difference lies. If you have other question about this Artanis/Seviro thing feel free to ask. The main thing I noticed in his defense is really how defensive and angry he got. Scum traits. + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 16:04 Seviro wrote: Inb4 OMG he said he was going to bed last post and he didn'T, SCUMSCUMSCUM, by heading to bed I meant getting of the computer and doing something else before actually going to bed. I planned to take a look at the thread just before sleeping but there was 2 post adressed to me so I responded to them while they were of actuality. + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 14:34 michaelthe wrote: Re Seviro Attack You make two points about my ultimatum: 1) 3 out of the 4 people I posted as lurkers are now dead townies. 2) I didn't vote until 23 hours after my 8 hour ultimatum. Reponses: 1) two are dead because they are bad townines. This is the reason they were on the inactive list, this is the reason they were selected to die. The reason they are dead and on the list of inactives has the same root, this in no way makes their deaths have a causal relationship to my list. This should be completely easy to see by anyone. 2) My ultimatum was an attempt to force lurkers to post. All of them actually posted. Fenix spammed useless content, one said “I'm awake”, one said “Im drunk”. No one strictly failed, it was only mildly successful at making people post. On Artanis, you make two points: 1) I targest Artanis after we had two good targets to lynch 2) I was the second vote for Artanis, not the first I refute both of these points with one simple point: Artanis' slip was a major one. Artanis himself said so. Every Mafia guide says so. It ended up being a complete accident, but there was no way to tell this at the time. At the time, this was one of the strongest pieces of objective information we had. Your claims are terrible, they have no weight, I find them very artificial. There are a few people who have said “oops, that does look scummy”, but I have not with the above. My responses are simple, and straightforward to your meritless claims. I think you are artificially trying to make a case. About the 3 out of 4 thingie, of course this was purely WIFOM but I thought it was worth mentioning. And on the Ultimatum you did say So you are basically saying that "i'm drunk" and "i'm awake" are valuable for the town right? And for the "Feudian slip" as you like to call it I did bring it up because of the way you brought it back. You basically said everything Mementoss had already say in his post about it, but you write it in a way that make it look like you were the one to find it. And also, I forgot to mention that your answer about froggy's post that was asking you to give content was: You didn'T adress any of his claim. And on my point being weak, weightless and artificial I don't know if you saw my answer about your case on me, I countered every single point of yours without even trying and I did not say anything about your point being weak and weightless because it is useless to discredit other post the way you do it. So if you could stop with your arrogant attitude of "I'm right and I'm good, you're wrong and you suck" that would be beneficial for the town. And blueyD Yeah really. There is a difference between pointing out something and making a case on it. Anyway the goal of the small case on Mem was only to show that we need to not put him in the "almost confirmed townie" yet since on day 1 some people seemed to believe he was the most townie of us, which he may be but it is not a reason to not suspect him and to let him slip by. When you go through my filter, at least do it right : that is 3 more post where I defend him so if you claim something, don't only 1/4 post on it to make me look bad. And I did mention this defense twice because 2 people said that I jumped on the ROS train right away, which is false. Seriously, I don'T know if my english is so bad or you just can't read but i'm getting tired of repeating myself over and over again. Now I'm really going to bed. The endless irritation and defense doesn’t stop. Particularly here: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 16:04 Seviro wrote: Inb4 OMG he said he was going to bed last post and he didn'T, SCUMSCUMSCUM, by heading to bed I meant getting of the computer and doing something else before actually going to bed. I planned to take a look at the thread just before sleeping but there was 2 post adressed to me so I responded to them while they were of actuality. In the post he says that the other person is understanding badly, makes this Inb4 crap, says that themichael is arrogant etc and has a certain attitude (not saying themichael isn’t scummy, hope to post my thoughts on him relatively soon after this case) but its just rude, and seems OMGUS himself. That’s my analysis on seviro. ##Vote: Seviro I wish I could have analyzed a bit more, but I can see that I am running short on time and for times sake I’ll put this out as early as possible. I feel like IF they were scum buddies they would want to bring someone else into the mix, not heat up the cases between themselves - which would lead to them both possibly getting lynched. However, both of them do bring up michaelthe at separate times. Not really sure what to make of this, as I can't get a read of michael right now anyways. Anyhow, I don't really agree with Mem that is Seviro flips scum then that makes Nova suspicious. Right now Nova is suspicious to me based on his own merit. | ||
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Mementoss
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Gossemerr
United States195 Posts
Right now I am probably going to switch my vote to Seviro, just waiting to see what happens. Nova seems to be trying to bring new information to the table, which I like. Seviro not so much, but this could be due to having to defend himself for a while. BUT, I just don't like how Seviro reacts to everyone who makes a case against him. He immediately switches the pressure to the person with the case against him and even votes for said person (Artanis then Nova if I remember correctly) which is really scummy to me. | ||
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Gossemerr
United States195 Posts
shit. In my post i meant to say that both seviro and nova are probably notSCUM. ha. | ||
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Gossemerr
United States195 Posts
I agree it seems like a last ditch effort by both. I can't tell if its a town or sum effort though. In our last game these too did the same exact thing. -___- | ||
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Mementoss
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On March 27 2012 05:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wait what? He currently has zero votes and with 7 hours to go I highly doubt you could get enough votes on him still. This lynch is pretty much between you and seviro right now, we need to lynch a mafia. today. or we'll be wasting a day. The fact that you want to lynch Michaelthe instead is suspicious to me. You should know that with 7 hours to go the chance of someone going from 0 to 5 votes is fairly unlikely. Nono, i think you missed the last part of my post, seviro is more susp at this time, just letting you guys know where i stand for both if i live longer or if i die. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
how much of a joke would this be if we were both town, we could be the very definition of screwed. still like 80% sure hes scum though. | ||
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Seviro
Canada98 Posts
Let's hope that Virtu will actually come and vote so that he don't get modkilled or at least let's hope he'S scum if he does get modkilled. Now, since the vote is actually 4/4 and a no lynch right now would be pretty bad I'll put a vote on myself so at least we get a lynch. If we do get another day after this I hope it will be enough to find every single scum because now I think at this point there is nothing I can do to prove my innocence so even if I survive another day i'll most likely be lynched tomorrow.if I die you'll see that I was not lying when I flip town. That said if Virtu is indeed a town and get modkilled then GG scum, another flawless victory. ##unvote: Nova_Terra ##vote: Seviro Peace out and let's hope for the best. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
1. Just looking at the people voting Nova_Terra, I trust them a lot less than the people voting Seviro. Nova_Terra voters: Seviro - No trust, Gossemer - semi trust, ninja4ever - No trust Seviro voters: Nova_terra - No trust, Artanis - almost complete trust, blueyD semi trust, Michael - Null. 2. Nova_Terra was the first person to defend Artanis, now the closest to confirmed town we have. On March 24 2012 02:20 Nova_Terra wrote: The gist of it: Ok, fair enough. I just feel that Seviro is in a position where myself or a few other posters here could be in. I feel a bit weird about that o.o nice catch on that slip, but seeing as this IS a newbie game, it isnt very telling. at all. I hate that it works that way, but yeah, i should think that scum slips (even if they are from townies) will happen relatively often. Anyways, as a general note to everybody, please dont make assumptions like this (even if they are about me.) i would prefer us to be looking at all the options than i would have us assuming peoples roles, at least in our minds. Artanis, can you tell me your thoughts on Rise of Fenix? if it came down between him and a lurker, who would you rather lynch and why? It was quick and reactionary, and wasn't a bandwagon opinion. 3. Nova's defense was bad yes, but so was Seviros. I feel Seviro has been just replying to anything even mentioning him from day 1, and responding in an aggressive tone. 4. Nova's reponse when time is running out/desparation. - Is posting analyses on people who were considered suspicious. Seems like he is genuinely worried for the towns well being after hes gone. As shown above. 5.Seviro is the safer lynch, if he flips town I think it gives us more of a direction on certain people he interacted with. This is the hardest choice I've had in this game by far, I hope it turns out for the best. I would like people to take the discussion from the scummy traits to why you think who you are voting for is the better candidate of the two. This could bring in some new good points I didn't think of. Please give me your opinion on this, I will be back in 2 hours, and am willing to re-look at the evidence and change my vote back. ##Unvote: Nova_Terra ##Vote: Seviro | ||
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Mementoss
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Nova_Terra
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Gossemerr
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
He was already on my short list of potential suspects. I think the initial case against his meta shift was okay, but pretty much confirmed by his reponse and ppl from last game, in addition to analysis of his posts this game and weak defense. I would also hope we get 6 votes on him rather than 5. Why? Mafia benefit from a no lynch, as the same targets would remain with no new info. A mafia could quick switch from one target to make this happen, maybe even Nova voting for himself. After seeing Seviro vpte himself, the other option is that both of the two targets tonight are red. Seviro and Nova could be planning to swap votes last second in order to score the no lynch. They could both argue this is better for them, since they both suggest self preservation as the motive. (Although this may be weaker since I am posting this). Nova has been posting some random analysis in the past few hours. This could be a last ditch effort to prove useful, or he could also be doing this to try and get me hit tomorrow in the day lynch if Seviro comes up green and is killed tonight. If we killed seviro, and he flipped green, we would have two suspects, Nova and Me. Nova would obviously go for me. Again, I think we need 6 votes, if not 7, depending on which scinario we have (and who the third mafia is). ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
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