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While this thread is labeled "DotA2", this is in fact a community thread first. Many of the users in the TL LoL subforum have been playing as friends for over a year now, so it makes logical sense that they would want to play other games together. Do not compare DotA2 to LoL, you will get banned. TL LoL veterans know what is expected. Newcomers be warned. gl hf | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On March 12 2012 04:18 arnath wrote: Why do people not use wards to stop pulls in top/bottom lane jungle? Did they remove that thing where wards stop jungle camps from spawning? That still works.The problem is that not many ppl buy wards right at the beginning in pubs | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On March 12 2012 04:18 arnath wrote: Why do people not use wards to stop pulls in top/bottom lane jungle? Did they remove that thing where wards stop jungle camps from spawning? It still works, people just either don't know, don't use wards at all or don't bother about it... | ||
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rob.au
1087 Posts
On March 12 2012 04:18 arnath wrote: Why do people not use wards to stop pulls in top/bottom lane jungle? Did they remove that thing where wards stop jungle camps from spawning? At least in pub games you should almost always ward the enemy pull, otherwise you essentially lose your long lane. People just don't know about it or are greedy and think saving money on wards for the pull and the rune is worth it. Typical pub mentality. As starting items one person should buy wards and another buy a courier in every game. From my experience people are just stupid or greedy when it comes to warding. We haven't even seen the worst of it yet, once lycan/sylla are released we'll have pubs complaining the entire early game about how you need to gank them in the jungle, yet they will refuse to actually put an aggressive ward down so that you can reliably gank them. | ||
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danana
United States321 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298363¤tpage=8#141 And I have a couple questions if anyone has a chance to answer them 1) In what situations do you get a bottle (only for mid?) or a magic wand? I've found the HP/mana restore from the wand rather underwhelming, but maybe I'm expecting too much from an item that's so cheap and easy to build. I'm also only playing against bots right now, and the bots don't seem to use their abilities very often, so that might be contributing. 2) If you do get a bottle/magic wand, are they purely for sustain during early laning? so should i not feel bad about moving them to the stash when i start buying components for bigger items (i think my inventory might be filling up more quickly than it should because i've been getting things like null talisman and other not as big items like cloak/null talisman/force staff)? 3) What's the rationale for blink dagger instead of force staff on initiators? I see that blink dagger has much more range, but it's hard for me to imagine needing the extra range instead of the flexibility of force staff (maybe just because LoL has gotten me used to the smaller range of flash). 4) The 30s guide suggests blink dagger and BKB on Lion, and I don't see the rationale for that. I see lion as like a cho'gath (CC and a big ult nuke) but with enough range to stay fairly safe, so i don't see how a blink and magic immunity play into that role. but now that i think about it, lion's spells do seem shorter range than a typical dota2 hero... | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
2. bottle yes, magic wand no. null talisman is essentially a really big ironwood branch for int - i would probably rather have bottle / wand than a null talisman haha you can sell bottle when you start picking up your bigger items and are hurting for space, but i very rarely see chinese pros sell their wand until very late - they utilize the active so very well and it DOES make a difference, even lategame. 3. that "much more range" is the difference between an initiation that the enemy cannot possibly see and prepare for out of reaction and one that is easily visible - there are also ledges, walls etc that cannot be force staffed cleanly over but can be easily blinked over 4. lion does not have HP sustain (and most lions do not get drain at all early) he has a ranged nuke and much more instantaneous cc from a range, but is usually not in a position to use this cc as any enemy would be afraid of lion's nuke and point and click CC and AoE knockup - as someone with large power who once in position can secure a kill through a mix of CC and damage, the positioning power that blink offers is necessary | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
Just wait until you are 5 man black holed from outside your vision range with 0 time to react - then you will understand  (nothing like that in LoL, think amumu being able to ulti you without landing his toss, only it lasts 4 seconds.)Wand is not for sustain - use it when you are escaping a gank, or when you need the extra mana to get the one last stun/blink to secure a kill/escape. EDIT: although wand is used for sustain vs batrider | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
With regard to Lion, the fact that he has 2 reliable point-and-click CCs makes him an extremely strong ganker with Blink Dagger--something that Cho'gath is much less reliable at because he needs setup for his CC to land reliably in ganking scenarios (and the ability to instantly jump into a gank from outside of vision has very few analogues in LoL). Lion getting a Blink Dagger puts immense pressure on the sidelanes because of the ability for him to Blink in from out of vision, and W->Q->R for a kill before you can do anything about it. After Blink I don't like BKB so much on Lion, though it can be situationally useful. Team utility items like Janggo, Force Staff, and Sheepstick have more effectiveness, IMO. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
I want to try an INT hero now, any suggestions? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 14 2012 00:02 Abenson wrote: So right now the only champ I can play at all is skele king and juggernaut... I want to try an INT hero now, any suggestions? It depends. Do you want to try a support, ganker, or caster semicarry? Support - CM or Warlock Ganker - Lion or Rhasta Semicarry - Windrunner | ||
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urSa
United States77 Posts
So my steam name is sennen + looking for semi intelligent people = not most pub people haha to play with/ maybe strategize. I have a mic and was high masters in sc2 sooo... ya. Hopefully this thread isn't dead yet ;p | ||
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
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520
United States2822 Posts
On March 15 2012 09:14 dismiss wrote: Is anyone else getting that bug where Steam randomly disconnects you from your friendslist for no reason and it kicks you out of a party? :x And does anyone have any idea how to fix it, haha? It's the Steam servers physically going down that does that. Anyway - anyone up for some games tonight? I just got invited into the group. | ||
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volcryn
United States149 Posts
volcryn | volcryn | http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198012910676 | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On March 16 2012 14:01 arnath wrote: Does the auto matchmaking queue have any sort of ranking based on wins/losses or is it just random? There's some sort of hidden mmr. It used to be possible to find it in the console but Valve got rid of that command. | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
Please take me under your wing rTU sensei. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14079 Posts
On March 16 2012 16:07 SHr3DD3r wrote: I would love to take part in this. But keep in mind that I can only play on EU servers with a playable ping. Plus I used to play Dota back in 05 - so been outta touch. Please take me under your wing rTU sensei. All I'm spewing from my wings is from Yango/dna anyway. Invites to you and the others are out, happy hunting. <3 | ||
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