MLG Winter Arena Day 3 Final Day - Page 298

On February 26 2012 19:47 wildstyle1337 wrote:
Huk is lucky, he played 3 pvp (coin flips) and only one vs good korean.

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On February 27 2012 22:45 Poopi wrote:

NesTea is quite old for progaming and Mvp has wrist issues, so it's kinda unfair.

On February 27 2012 22:56 anonymitylol wrote:


Flash had wrist issues, and he's 13-0 this season so far. Just saiyan! Also, 29 isn't that old for pro gaming. He can probably continue being a professional gamer in some regard for the next 10 years, whether it be moving on to a MOBA game, or being a low Code-S/Code-A player.

On February 27 2012 22:50 Rinnegan5 wrote:
MarineKong finally a true King! *passes Kong title to DRG untill the GSL finals*

On February 27 2012 15:47 thepuppyassassin wrote:
O yea. Good on Naniwa for stomping on Nestea and showing once and for all that he's better atm.

On February 27 2012 11:19 TeeTS wrote:
It's really amazing how much people are posting here with no idea about how SC2 works.

1st: 12/14 rax vs Zerg: This is very economical opening, cause it forces the zerg to a lot of zerglings and at least one spine early on. therefore terran sacrifices some eco of his own, but it is worth it, if you have a good marine/scv control (and MKP has definately the best in the world, so this is a good opening for him per definiton!), you can expand easily behind that, since you still have a very good income due to constant scv production.

2nd: the fast 3rd in game 6: Did you ever think about what would've happened if DRG scouted the 3rd and made f.e. a roach attack on it early on? MKP did not slide a single scv to this base until he secured the entrance with a lot of siege tanks and marines. the timing of this base was so fast, that it would've been finished, when the roaches arrive there. And then he simply flies back to his natural or main and is fine, cause zerg sacrificed a lot of eco for an attack which didn't do anything because MKP was well defended with a bunker and already a tank out and siege mode nearly done.

MKP didn't play his absolute best, but was near to it, due to nerves as he mentioned. You should not forget that he had the Shakuras game in the bag, if he didn't make that huge blunder, overcomitting into DRG's natural, which made absolutely no sense and was a big sign, that he was nervous and wanted the game to end right there. To come back from such a disappointing lose shows a strong spirit and high skill. He mixed up very agressive styles, several builds and good economic openers. he controlled the final battle very well. DRG took a huge risk, teching this fast to hive and got punished for that.

Overall it was a good tournament, a good production, BUT yes: Where was the fucking winners ceremony. It would've been nice to see the Top 8 alltogether again. I think we have a great Top8 with nice players, that can be happy about really good performances, like violet or Huk (who made his personal little comeback, after doing not so well lately).

And yes. I didn't like Tastosis trashing on MKP even when he won. But they just don't like him, it's allways the same, if you watch the gsl, you know that. They never say a positive word about him, that really fits, only such general phrases like "he is solid, blabla", but are so critical about him (like this 500gas issue: HE wanted to go for dual upgrades, a siege tank and siegemode: these are 425 gas in total!!! And you complain about him having 500 gas? STUPID?). This is the only point I hate about Tastosis. These two are so biased. When Nestea or MVP play, everything they do is gloryfied to be genius, even it's totally common or simple. But MKP, he must've messed up with them. I actual don't know why, maybe they think his playstyle is gimmicky, or they blame him for his stupid decision making, which he showed for a period of time, or they just don't like his character. I DON'T KNOW, BUT PLEASE, don't let this affect your casting this much.

And finally, the best player in the world discussion: Can any1 say, that there is acutally a best player in the world right now? This is just not possible, because these very top guys are playing so much games between them in a short period of time, and taking games off each other day by day. Even naming a top10 could be hard right now, because there are so many good players out there. I think the top16 of the current GSL season makes a good top16 of the world with very little exceptions. But anything behind this, like a top 5 or so in any form, will be so questionable, that it doesn't make sense to discuss about it.

On February 27 2012 22:56 anonymitylol wrote:


Flash had wrist issues, and he's 13-0 this season so far. Just saiyan! Also, 29 isn't that old for pro gaming. He can probably continue being a professional gamer in some regard for the next 10 years, whether it be moving on to a MOBA game, or being a low Code-S/Code-A player.

On February 27 2012 16:22 shadymmj wrote:


I don't know how spot on you are with your assessment, but when you are a caster (or rather part of THE casters), it's very unprofessional to half-heartedly congratulate the winner.

Moreover, that is a very stupid belief. Micro and multitasking has won many games in BW. For example Bisu vs Savior was pretty much the epitome of Bisu's multitasking and incisiveness that flattened the king of management-style zerg Savior.

I don't even think Jaedong can be compared to MMA though...JD is just very deadly and rather aggressive. I think his magic lies in the ability to make engagements go in his favour, and of course his once impeccable muta micro.

Generally though I prefer to lay off the direct comparisons. But having multitasking is very essential to both games. Going into long macro games, not so much, even in BW. I think TBLS have been unusually aggressive this year, especially Flash. The only true "macro or die" player is Best, and he still gets owned by a bunker rush.

So stop putting a player down in either game if he doesn't go into those long macro games, especially if he still wins.

On February 27 2012 08:07 jmbthirteen wrote:

i don't believe so. With the way prize money is, it doesnt matter.

On February 27 2012 22:14 antilyon wrote:

Just to be sure, only one of them was a cheese, the other bunker rushes were just pressure with a 12/14 rax.

On February 28 2012 08:04 Jzeeee wrote:
That one game where mkp "cheesed", on metalopolis, was more in my opinion a calculated risk. MKP's 2 rax was scouted by DRG and MKP had 2 rax pressured DRG in previous games with moderate success. DRG probably thought he could just hold with a spine and drones at his expo if it was just pressure. MKP knew DRG saw the two rax and thats when he pulled his scv's and went "bitbybit" all in at that point expecting DRG to be not ready for it (which he wasn't). In my opinion that was a good calculated risk on MKP's part and it worked out. After that game DRG just wasn't the same, you can see it on his expression and play in the next game.

On February 27 2012 10:36 hunger wrote:


Zergs 6pooled into macro play all weekend against Protoss. The 2rax with bunkers is a much, much tamer version of that. God these threads are depressing. Everybody just wants to get some bitching out in the form of pretending to comment on a tournament.

I thought it was awesome, congrats to MKP, DRG, and everyone else who performed.

On February 28 2012 00:55 double620 wrote:



There are two types of great players. One type of them like to play save and macro games and make decisions base on their scouting. Examples are MVP, NESTEA and DRG. Artosis loves these types of players and he hypes them like they are bonjas. The other type of players like to apply constant agression and they are confident about their micro and love to take advantage of early aggression and if they can not win they will play a macro game from there. They are brave and not afraid of taking risk because they trust their skill. Examples are Mc, MKP, SC and alive. Artosis knows they are great but he does not like their play style very much. And Tasteless actually loves the second type of players a lot, but somehow he just agrees everything Artosis says.

Personally, I love the second type of players more. I love that everyone knows 2 rax against DRG should never work, but it works when MKP is on top of his game. I love DRG just destroys every single toss, but Mc is able to force him to gg at about 12 mins in the game. Sup, in thoery that would not work, but it can work because of their micro.