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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On February 12 2012 05:23 Kurumi wrote: I never thought I'd put someone else than aprudds on my insta vigilante list. Can you please explain your play in this entire game. I see no pro-town motives in any of your posts. yet you have about 10% of all posts since this 31 player game started. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 12 2012 05:30 layabout wrote: Can you please explain your play in this entire game. I see no pro-town motives in any of your posts. yet you have about 10% of all posts since this 31 player game started. There aren't any. He started by lying and now he and Palmar are confusing everyone and called Toades lying scum when I know that he isn't. I don't think the two of them can make enough noise for people to get how much they've lied though. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 12 2012 05:16 Palmar wrote: then get some context on ebay thanks for being helpful are there any other townies you'd like to yell about shooting? more fake claims? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On February 12 2012 05:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There aren't any. He started by lying and now he and Palmar are confusing everyone and called Toades lying scum when I know that he isn't. I don't think the two of them can make enough noise for people to get how much they've lied though. (Kurumi) Also if you filter him you notice that he is quick to invent reasons and poorly justify his reads on day1 but that since then he has spent roughly 100 posts just making unsupported accusations. If he does have proper reads he hasn't made much of an effort to make them known or to convince other people that he is correct. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On February 12 2012 05:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: thanks for being helpful are there any other townies you'd like to yell about shooting? more fake claims? I never fake-claim. That's stupid. In addition, Toad is scum. | ||
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
Even then you cant determine his alignment, scum have vets, town has immortal roles and vets, and BM/CW are still possibilities. Did you shot Radfield? | ||
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
If he dies tonight you re 3rd party Palmar. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Shoot rg instead :D | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
There's way better targets. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
If you don't die, I'm shooting you again. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On February 07 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote: Funny how you step in to shoot down the setup discussion, yet don't bring up a topic yourself. I've got a bad scum habit of criticizing bad town discussion without contributing myself  Kitaman has persistently called upon players to provide alternate discussion topics and not to criticise bad town discussion. He has provided very little in the way of scumhunting, and very little in the way of alternate and productive discusion topics. so he begins the game with something strange + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 01:31 kitaman27 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Scum would love it if we outed the Joker. That means batman would be blue shooting instead of scum shooting night one. Toad said it best. Batman should be shooting scum suspects to find Hugo. It is much more likely the scum team to take care of the joker with a night hit than it is for Hugo to die from a vig hit. In addition, if Batman is cornered into a lynch and is forced to claim his hits, the town is much more likely to spare him if he has a scum shot on his resume, than if he has a list of blues that he has hit. Just look at LoTR mafia with how willing the town was to work with chaoser after he shot radfield. Catwoman should also consider shooting into scum early to ensure she will survive late game. The only setup speculation worth talking about seems to be the choices certain blue players have. Assuming they are standard roles, I'd prioritize dt over vig obviously. I'd probably select medic over vig as well, but with two scum players holding a kp, vig could be more valuable to normal. ##Vote Visceraeyes On February 07 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Happy Birthday Toad! In regards to my previous post, I just realized scum have a medic, so I would definitely prioritize a medic over vig for anyone who has a choice. On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote: Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled? + there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. He is allowed to claim his hits. Funny how you step in to shoot down the setup discussion, yet don't bring up a topic yourself. I've got a bad scum habit of criticizing bad town discussion without contributing myself I didn't like this post, but mostly I'm looking for reactions. Yours is quite disappointing. Cute. I'm suddenly your lead scum suspect because I voted for you? BM you weren't serious about the mass claim were you? I hope you're not trying to play the same character as L. Palmar, you're sounding a lot like L as well. I don't think that turned out very well. Waiting for Radfield's wall of text. and yet.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309352&user=46535 he never voted for Vicera. On February 08 2012 02:43 kitaman27 wrote: ico's theme so far has been to promote a good thread environment. The only problem is that he is shooting down posts by others, but not making an attempt to improve the thread himself. He suggest that the discussion about random voting is derailing the thread, yet doesn't propose anything else to discuss. He makes an extremely safe comment about how the joker shouldn't claim, but has yet to make a legitimate contribution. ico has shown no signs of scumhunting thus far. He has suggested a policy lynch on kenpachi and called Adam a threat to town for his random vote. However, in both situations he is not going after players he necessarily finds scummy, he is attacking players that are making "stupid" town plays. Stupid town play should be discussed post-game. The only people we should be lynching are those who are most likely mafia. ##Vote ico Tobberoth has also flew under the radar. I'm not sure I've seen a single player mention him yet. His contributions have been safe and non-aggressive. He plays the noob card and spends most of his time discussing the setup. He jumps on the suspicion cast on kenpachi and VE, but doesn't add anything to the argument himself. How many of the points in bold are really scummy? -Promotes good thread environment (holy crap do we need players that do this) -Points out that thread is being derailed (it was) -Shoots down posts of others (so what?) -Comments about how the Joker shouldn't claim (could be argued either way but a day1 claim is pretty bad) -Displays no signs of scumhunting halfway through day1 (so he is like nearly everyone else in the game) -Thinks policy lynching Kenpachi day1 is a good idea (it is) -Calls random votes a threat to town (they are) -Attacks Stupid town plays (stupid town plays hurt town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=104687 ico had only made 5 posts by this point. But they did show pro-town motives. This case against ico was very weak. What is suprising is that Kitaman27 sticks with this lynch over any others. On February 08 2012 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not sure I like a CC lynch. It is pretty rare for a scum to post a plan guiding town's direction and generating discussion on day one. His thoughts about RG/Hugo don't really make much sense, but are they scummy? I haven't had a chance to read Sheth though, but I'll post again in a bit. If I don't like him, I'll try to suggest an alternate candidate (likely ico or kurumi). Maybe i have had unusual luck but LSB the scum posted his plans day1 in hammer mini mafia and Layabout the demonic concealer posted a plan on day1 to generate discussion in Purgatory mafia. (the last 2 games i played) So to me the logic of "scum don't often post plans day1 to generate discussion so i don't like lynching CC" seems off. He distances himself from a CC lynch for fairly weak reasons (perhaps because he know that CC is not mafia.) He promises content later and he commits to not voting for sheth even though he says he hasn't looked at sheth (perhaps because he knows sheth is mafia.) He commits to an alternate candidate like ico or Kurumi. Now here is a case which uses Kurumi's day1 play: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850¤tpage=103#2051 in this post i go over Kitaman27's case on ico from halway through day1. Whilst a direct comparisson is unfair, a quick comparisson shows how Kurumi's day1 play was far more incriminating than ico's. There were also two votes on Kurumi (layabout and Bill Murray) If Kitaman really wanted to push an alternate candidate to sheth/CC he would have had a much greater chance of being successful by pushing Kurumi. By putting his vote on ico he accepts the lynch of CC even though he does not support it. and yet.. On February 08 2012 12:08 kitaman27 wrote: I'm still not a huge fan of either of the major lynches. I'll switch to ico for now. My case was posted earlier in the thread. Sixty minutes is a lot of time and the votes counts are relatively low so we aren't stuck with the current two candidates if we agree there is someone better out there. chaoser/bugs/radfield trio gives me the creeps, but that's for another time. he acts like he thinks a switch could happen ...then spends his time putting pressure on Kurumi who he does not vote for. On February 08 2012 12:10 kitaman27 wrote: kurumi, if you're trying to blue claim to dodge the lynch, give us a name. You already claimed vig so its not like its going to make the scum less likely to hit you and if you're not counter-claimed, you can shut down all this lynch discussion and focus on what's important. he thinks Kurumi has made a BS claim to dodge lynch. (he was) On February 08 2012 12:16 kitaman27 wrote: You agree that it would be a pro-town move to name claim though correct? You already claimed vig so there is no harm. That way we can stop talking about you and whether or not your claim is real. Thanks. He puts "pressure" on Kurumi to make him claim in full. (so he is either; scum bluefishing scum faking pressure on a teamate that he does not intend to lynch or a townie that wants to lynch a player, thinks that that player is fake claiming and wants them to claim in full) On February 08 2012 12:33 kitaman27 wrote: I'm worried that you won't get a chance to use your guns if you refuse to name claim  If you don't have a name to claim and were trying to draw a hit, just let us know before things spiral out of control. Your cases aren't all that bad as long as you aren't all over the place with them. I didn't read the first arkham game. Was that the game with the name vig or was it a different one? He backs of Kurumi even though Kurumi has not done anything to defeat the "I think this is BS to help you dodge the lynch" argument. He also ran out of time and was unable to lead a switch to ico. But he doesn't seem disappointed that he failed to push his scumread and that a townie was lynched instead. CC then flips town. On February 09 2012 01:51 kitaman27 wrote: Discussing the claim from Toad or complaining about how bad it may or may not be is pretty pointless. He already claimed and he felt it was advantageous to do so. I don't really have any reason to doubt it at the moment. Is this really the topic people feel is most relevant to us catching scum? + Show Spoiler + Something I find interesting is the people who started to speculate that Cheese would flip third party, rather than scum. The mafia know that cheese couldn't have flipped scum, so Batman or Catwomen is the only roles they could speculate him being honestly. I know in past games, I've accidentally called players serial killers because I knew they couldn't be scum. There were so many people on day one that were quiet or irrelevant that they don't have the luxury of staying quiet during the night. With 4-5 blue claims already and a number of vets to shoot through, I'm less worried about night discussion influencing scum hits. chaoser, when I mentioned that I thought it was unlikely that cheese would suggest a plan while as scum, you immediately tried to shoot it down with a counter-example. I dislike how you were quick to dismiss the point by providing a rare exception with LSB. Your general attitude this game seems different. bugs, it's interesting you would decide to pick the 1/31 chance that I would be gf. Worried that any dt checks will come clean? If your name starts with a T, you need to post more. I'm having real trouble differentiating you guys. evantrees has been even more quiet than usual. slardar, opz, jay, ico, qualis, and katina leave much to be desired. People may be giving kurumi a hard time, but at least he is posting. I'll take that any day over an inactive. spoiled the middle for irrelevance. He starts out by criticising bad town discussion. (cough cough) He then defends Kurumi on the basis that his is posting. Shame that Kurumi has posted spam and made the thread worse and that while the lurkers may be hurting town most of them have all provided more useful and better reasoned content than Kurumi. he proceeds to post a bunch of one liners and then conclude that Palamar is NOT TOWN. day2 start There is a big kerfuffle that i will not inflict upon myself by re-reading for context. But kitaman27 votes for Dr.H On February 09 2012 22:28 kitaman27 wrote: well this is silly ##Vote DoctorHelvetica On February 09 2012 23:19 kitaman27 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Just don't shoot your good buddy kita. I'm not the droid you are looking for. On February 09 2012 23:11 Radfield wrote: How bout you explain to me why after reading the Schworz/Toad/DocH situation you came out with the conclusion of lynching DocH. Because I'm generally more willing to believe the dt claim over the guy arguing himself out of a red check who claims to have taken a hit. schworz has a few things to explain, but its early in the day Likely will switch to Sheth depending on how things turn out. He later votes for sheth. On February 10 2012 01:42 kitaman27 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Liquid`Sheth He doesn't really explain why he no longer supports a Dr.H lynch. He doesn't attempt to justify his sheeping of sheth (but then again that goes for most people). He adds some one liners to all of the role talk drivel. On February 10 2012 08:59 kitaman27 wrote: lol it would be hilariously depressing if the scum team decided to dt check sheth and it came back miller XD He doesn't seem particularly concerned about the talk that was going on about Sheth being town. So he should either get concerned and explain his stance or shut-down the discussion and suggest something better. But he doesn't. On February 11 2012 01:40 kitaman27 wrote: You sure do like to talk about catwomen don't you :/ You've dodged the question 3-4 times now. DrH said that all dt's return role not alignment to dt checks. You gave us a alignment, but not a role. Could you please respond? You're not being very transparent right now. BM, for someone who mentioned how he couldn't wait to roll town, you sure haven't done much scumhunting. You also mentioned that you rarely read the thread as scum. It takes more than a name claim to prove you are town. @Palmar. I like a chaoser lynch too. He appeared to have something invested in the CC day one lynch, although we will have to probably wait to see if Sheth's flip makes that relevant. Kurumi, day one you claimed vigilante, but the number of possible roles you could be is running pretty thin. I think we need to revisit your name claim in the near future. Did I miss anyone who claimed a hit? Jackal - Mafia kp DrH- ?? Radfield- ?? schworz- ?? kenpachi - Harley Quinn Slardar - Penguin This is his most recent post. It was many hours before the sheth lynch. What concerned me most was that Palmar had just posted a pretty shallow case about Chaoser, based upon the misinterpretation that chaoser was trying to create a link between sheth flippping miller and lynching Palmar or Radfield. Since sheth flipped scum this case carries no weight. (because a scum chaoser would gain nothing by creating a link based upon an event that he would know to be impossible) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850¤tpage=92#1834 I then asked Kitaman27 why he was eager to support a chaoser lynch (when we really needed sheth to flip) and whether he supported Palmars case. Since Kitaman27 has declared Palmar to be "not town" Kitaman27 has no reason to sheep or support Palmar, especially if Palmar is not making a strong argument and is proposing something anti-town. But he hasn't posted and i tire of waiting. To me it felt that Kitaman27 was trying to support a chaoser lynch but was weary of doing so (directly defending sheth would have been risky), and that he was doing it on the back of a weak case put forward by a player he didn't trust. Then in a rather non-commital fashion he says that we should "re-visit" Kurumi's claim. Not "Kurumi i still think you were lying because you are scum and you were dodging the lynch." Instead it's more of an "excuse but you may have been dishonest, that is all" Turn's out Kurumi lied, but you would know that wouldn't you kita? Where is the Kitaman27 that thinks carefully and makes good reads? Where is the Kitaman27 that cares about town and acts in towns intersts? Why is Kitaman27 sitting on his ass and laughing at the thread we have vomited all over? He isn't here. This Kitaman27 is scum Disclaimer: May contain bad grammar, typos and unnecessary use of red text | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On February 12 2012 03:49 Forumite wrote: Worried about lurkers, and this game has too many of them. A group of people who keep up and post a lot, then a horde who don´t have time to read, doesn´t post and get forgotten. We will end up with them at LYLO, and when we do, then we won´t have any idea who among them are scum and who are Town. Bill for example, he´s been called scummy several times, but he´s not around enough, so everyone forgets aout him. This game is a quagmire and I can fully understand anyone not wanting to post into this mess. rG: I know what character you are trying to tell me you are. I can understand doing what you did if you're telling the truth, but don't you see the havoc its created in this town? was it really worth doing it to accomplish what you set out to do? Weather or not I believe you at this point is a whole different story. Lets hope the night kills clean up the thread some. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On February 12 2012 08:44 layabout wrote: He isn't here. This Kitaman27 is scum It's because he is busy playing irc mafia. You should too. (I'll respond later)  | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
Also, as entertaining as this game is to read, everyone should be playign seriously. I want you all to have fun but if behaviour continues as it is modkills will be inbound for many many reasons. There are four of you already skirting the mark based on behaviour / rule skirting don't make me lightning you | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'll be able to write up a post in about an hour. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On February 12 2012 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Hey guys, my home Internet is haywire so I'm going to campus. I'll be able to write up a post in about an hour. Don't bother, no one listens to scum | ||
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