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Also, consider for the moment, that BC may be mafia Jack.
If he uses his Mason power on Day 1 to establish his credibility and then is subsequently elected to office, we will not be able to find the mafia Jack.
It is a risk, but I know that BC will take that risk. He is very much a medium-risk, high-reward player.
EVERYONE! WHAT HAPPENS IF BLOODYC0BBLER IS MAFIA JACK?
I consider this scenario involving BC to be within his bag of tricks, and I will not vote to elect him into office.
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BC's mason claim is disappointing. This was said earlier, but it's important to note that if we end up electing him, we wont be able to check him with a DT. With my mayor, I don't give a shit if I know what role he is. I want to know his alignment. That's why I no longer support his campaign.
I however am really starting to like Sandroba. He is making a lot of sense, and the fact that he is aggressively pushing for mass mason claim (which I support) makes him seem town to me.
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On January 14 2012 08:25 evantrees wrote:can be not is. If not chosen by the start of night 1 their roles get randomed, role to appear as must be chosen day 1, but yes they can wait till the election is pretty much decided to decide. Also I missed the fact it's not the bodyguards providing the role check immunity oops. I'm new so in general against pm games, only joined this one after that was changed, so don't have a problem supporting the just ignore pms from masons bit not so convinced on the masons claiming though. whoever is elected consider outing a bodyguard particularly if you think they could use medic protection. For now despite the picture kitaman27 has my vote. this bugged me a bit, from bc's mayoral bid, nonsense but enough I will not vote for him.
On January 13 2012 16:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will actively harass lurkers to play in this game as opposed to lurking, failure to begin playing will result in advocacy of vig shots. Threaten to lynch sure, but try to get vigs to waste their shots?
Vigilantes shooting lurkers is fine play. If someone is posting the bare minimum to avoid modkill, it's not a waste to kill them.
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On January 14 2012 09:05 Jayjay54 wrote: Hmm. As this thread slowed down a bit, could all the candidates please say what their lynch plan for day one is and why? would be quite nice for the town! As I speak on the behalf of the candidacy of the one and only BILL MURRAY I can tell you right now that he will be lynching Chaosquo.
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I voted Meapak, he was the only campaign besides BCs which had a plan.
If the field clears up, I might change my vote again in order to not vote in vain.
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On January 14 2012 09:10 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 14 2012 07:51 Foolishness wrote:On January 14 2012 00:50 Kurumi wrote: Why would someone create a campaign for someone else without seeing him post ever? If anyone is voting for someone partly with the reason of "he's a good player" then they are doing the same thing. Don't know why you choose to call me out instead of any of the other lackluster votes. At least I have a plan and reasoning. I found Foolish's campaign to be both hilarious and appropriate and will support either BM or BC today. I still think people should vote for me, but the general consensus seems to be that I'm not experienced enough, which is totally fair. I don't think I'm totally out of the running though, so I'm not going to withdraw quite yet...but expect me to withdraw if I don't get any more support by 12 hours to deadline. alright my vote is on sale. Do you still intend to lynch palmar? how do you feel about the second mason claim?
I ninja'd you regarding Palmar.
What do you mean 'how do you feel'? Do I believe it? I have no reason not to. BC nor Opz have come in here and told us one way or the other if it's confirmed or denied, but I assume they will and I'm reserving judgement on the matter until they do. I'll repeat that I'm FOR the mass-mason claim because the benefits outweigh the risks in my opinion, but I could be totally mistaken. It just seems to me that if the town masons claim, there's pressure on the Mafia to kill them, giving our more powerful PRs breathing room...and pressure on the mafia masons to claim as well, which would limit their usefulness to the mafia team, another benefit for Town.
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day1 sucks. ill vote the bandwagon.
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Alright, so I've made my mind up.
I really do think BC is a good candidate for us and thus far, I believe he's town. Which is a quality I appreciate in a mayor.
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On January 14 2012 09:14 kingjames01 wrote: Also, consider for the moment, that BC may be mafia Jack.
If he uses his Mason power on Day 1 to establish his credibility and then is subsequently elected to office, we will not be able to find the mafia Jack.
It is a risk, but I know that BC will take that risk. He is very much a medium-risk, high-reward player.
EVERYONE! WHAT HAPPENS IF BLOODYC0BBLER IS MAFIA JACK?
I consider this scenario involving BC to be within his bag of tricks, and I will not vote to elect him into office.
he doesn't have to be a jack. A red BC would be bad enough. Any red mayor would instantly result in 0 mafia bodyguards, a well protected mischief triple voter. And a good player. Most likely GG.
If BC is town and we can be sure of that, BC is the way to go. But that role claim timing was so strange.
Looking at his current 6 votes, he is en route to become mayor. This scares me a little.
Maybe BC should start of saying who he masoned? He said he doesn't want to say rightaway because he doesn't want to spoil a focussed discussion. Now is the time BC. Who'd you mason?
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On January 14 2012 09:25 Kenpachi wrote: day1 sucks. ill vote the bandwagon. have you got a gun this game
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On January 14 2012 03:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 14 2012 03:16 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Palmar, would you kindly answer the questions I've asked you? Your life could very well be on the line sir. No, your questions are dumb. All right - consider lynching Palmar as part of my platform. If you elect me to office, I promise to lynch scumPalmar as my first act. See, dumb and bad.
hey there. According to several people town performance has been pretty bad the last couple of games. What do you say about making a list of all the bad players we have and just do the opposit of what they want to do? Either they're town and wrong or they're mafia and want to protect their buddies.
win-win situation!
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Elections are weird. I prefer normal Day 1 starts. I am left only with Townie and job to elect another Townie. Suuuuuure >_> My vote will go to Protactinum/BC though.
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On January 14 2012 09:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 03:32 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 14 2012 03:16 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Palmar, would you kindly answer the questions I've asked you? Your life could very well be on the line sir. No, your questions are dumb. All right - consider lynching Palmar as part of my platform. If you elect me to office, I promise to lynch scumPalmar as my first act. See, dumb and bad. hey there. According to several people town performance has been pretty bad the last couple of games. What do you say about making a list of all the bad players we have and just do the opposit of what they want to do? Either they're town and wrong or they're mafia and want to protect their buddies. win-win situation!
What does this quote even mean? Is this some sort of veiled attack on Palmar? What purpose does this post serve?
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On January 14 2012 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 09:48 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2012 03:32 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 14 2012 03:16 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Palmar, would you kindly answer the questions I've asked you? Your life could very well be on the line sir. No, your questions are dumb. All right - consider lynching Palmar as part of my platform. If you elect me to office, I promise to lynch scumPalmar as my first act. See, dumb and bad. hey there. According to several people town performance has been pretty bad the last couple of games. What do you say about making a list of all the bad players we have and just do the opposit of what they want to do? Either they're town and wrong or they're mafia and want to protect their buddies. win-win situation! What does this quote even mean? Is this some sort of veiled attack on Palmar? What purpose does this post serve?
Well that quote kind f shows why I suggested that idea I just had. Quoting something like
On January 14 2012 07:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 07:17 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 07:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is an interesting conversation, you haven't convinced me but some good points have been brought up. What happens if a mason chooses not to claim when you all order them to? Do you lynch him the second he comes out on the policy of LaL? I just feel like this whole plan is very shortsighted.
And on that note I'd like to get back to the mayor/sheriff discussion. The last thing we want is to get completely sidetracked day 1. Bc's claim created good discussion and created a lot of material however we need to refocus and get done what needs to be done.
I still support BC to be my sheriff, however given that a lot of people are nervous of him because of his claim I'd like to remind people that Kita is my second choice. If you can't bring yourself to vote BC then vote kita. He's made some good points and he's probably best option behind bc.
I'd really like to hear from L right now. He's the only really good vet who hasn't checked in yet and I'd love to hear what he has to say about mayor. who is you? (curiosity not accusatory) Meapak is a baller. Doesn't mean he's town, but he's pretty good. would be an odd start for my idea wouldn't it?
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BC, Mason me please.
I repeat, BloodyC0bbler, mason me please.
Thank you.
Also, I want to kill Palmar, so any mayoral candidate who supports lynching him will get my vote.
Since I haven't seen anyone explicitly say that yet, if you want Palmar to die just vote me and I'll lynch him if I become mayor.
Still in the process of reading, on page 35 now.
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no, mason me so we can PM together for the sake of PMing.
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as far as I understood him he already masoned someone.
Also if my theory is correct VE has to be a townie, because noone wants him to be mayor!
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On January 14 2012 09:08 kingjames01 wrote: Alright, I've been at work all day and it's taken me quite a while to catch up in the reading.
I'm going to reiterate, that I support the Bodyguards being made public. There was a point raised earlier which suggested that if this plan were carried through, the elected officials would be more vulnerable. I don't think that is the case. I have already stated my reasoning but here is the idea again.
If at least one of the Bodyguards is Town, then they player has to die before our Mayor and/or Sheriff are vulnerable.
If both Bodyguards die, everyone will be on guard and can then start to protect the elected officials.
If at most one dies, then the Mayor and/or Sheriff are still safe. Why? Because the mafia will have to trade at least one of their own to kill the Mayor and/or Sheriff.
Next, I think the Mass Mason Roleclaim is a terrible plan. The mafia know the roles of 10 players out of 50, namely, their own players. If all of the Masons claim, then they know the roles of more players in the game. If they can, they will target our powerful Blue roles, like Town Jack, Medic, Detective.
Why are you guys okay with helping them to narrow down their targets?
[/red] Aren't these ideas contradictory? You say that you support the names of the BG's being made public, but in the same post, say that you don't support a mass mason claim, while only citing the reason that it narrows the pool for mafia to shoot into when blue sniping. BG's are pulled from VTs and mafia if they choose to substitute them, so by making them public, you reduce the pool of non-VTs, insofar as mafia blue-sniping is concerned. How are these two ideas compatible?
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On January 14 2012 05:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 04:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 14 2012 03:58 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Well, obviously you're no GF this game, because you claimed a confirmable role. Unless I'm mistaken, scum can't be mason AND GF, yes? DT checks will be accurate on you...so there's that. Confirming your alignment, in my opinion, should be paramount because I find it EXTREMELY likely that you would have elected to be mason on the scum team (for reasons that should be obvious to you and several others.)
What's your plan on confirming your role? Are you going to out who you've masoned with? Are you going to let them do it at their own pace?
I will out my first mason shortly, I want the debate to however move towards how to deal with masons as a whole. I say this because you know from experience with me just how subtle a touch can be needed to manipulate/confuse someone. A mafia mason will have the experience of a team in manipulation whereas a town member has their own ability to run with. On January 14 2012 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 03:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The Day 1 Important Discussion Post #1
Read this post fully before posting. It is something that everyone must read, and that everyone must comment on
That is right friends, this post as I am writing it is near one of the most important posts of this game day. You are going to ask? Why BC? Simple. I am about to do something that will cause people to yell and scream at me. I am roleclaiming.
I am mason
Note what I have done? [1] I have now put myself from the statistical chance of flipping a town aligned role of 80%ish and lowered it to a solid 50%.
I am now either 50% red or 50% blue.[/1.]
I am doing this for a few reasons.
[2] 1) in this game there could exist masons on both sides of the equation. As such dealing with them early is key as they work behind the scenes of the game. [/2]
[3] 2) it is a confirmable role, stress this point, ROLE. I can confirm my role at the beginning of a day cycle as opposed to at the end of a day cycle [/3]
3) I am being transparent. By giving this information now, reading me becomes far easier. There will never be the "is he blue trying to breadcrumb etc..?"
[4] 4) goes along with 3, however it outs one of the masons now. It stops the discussion later of people discussing all the people who are masons and who is believable late game whereas we can cover at least one of them now [/4]
This also sets the town up in a very advantageous way. Why you ask?
I am elected and now town knowingly knows I am active in pms. I am not elected and not auto lynched by mayor and same information is known.
[5] It also forces the mafia to deal with me as they have no idea what I am doing in pm land. Do they try and kill who I am talking to? Do they use their own masons and attempt to find out what I have said, etc....[/5]
This I feel is the most advantageous day 1 use of my ability. I have already used my mason use for the day and will say who I used it on after this post in the nearish future. I am leaving who it is out as the purpose is to generate discussion on my claim, not on who I chose to mason to. As to detail of why I did this aside from the general points I made? Everyone will have an opinion on this claim. Some good, some bad. People will have to have an opinion on this subject however. EVERYONE will have an opinion. Do not just post "wtf bc you dumb fuck why would you do this". This is a debate about me specifically being a mason and if I should be elected, not elected and lynched, or not elected and left for the mafia to deal with me.
All vets, all new players, all semi experienced players will have an opinion and it is needed. Anyone who fails to properly contribute on this matter. I have thought this claim out and realize that generally claiming day 1 is bad, however I feel at least with this mechanic and how it could be abused it should be discussed (especially with a high profile player such as myself possessing it) now and not later.
On the most important note that this post will do however is generate serious discussion. How do you all wish to proceed with a mason claim? Specifically my mason claim?
1) That's obviously bullshit. The chances to win lottery aren't 50% because you either win or you don't... but I see what you want to tell us 2) why? 3) no it's not. You're masoning someone. That someone is going to tell us if you masoned him. If you are a mafia you could tell us you masoned a mafiabuddy and of course your buddy will tell everyone you pm'ed him. 4) I don't realy care about what's going to happen with discussion later on if whatever might happen. I want to get a town mayor right now and for that reason I'd much rather see things tell give me something on your alignment than something that might or might not improve future-world 5) I'm pretty sure mafia will have to deal with you no matter what. That is if you're town. It's not like mafia is going not kill you because they think you might be a green instead of a blue and therefor you're no threat to them. Incorrect for you good sir. my role unlike anyone elses is confirmable. However my role is able to appear on both town and mafia sides thus rather than claiming "i am townie" and having the 80ish% chance of being one of the townie i am now firmly 50/50. My role is confirmable, my alignment isn't. You can clearly say "you were either 1 or the other before" however I have removed fake claiming almost entirely. Mafia do not benefit from me fake claiming this, nor do town. as for how I can confirm my role at the start? I mason at the beginning of a cycle not the end. As for saying its not confirmable? If i am a generic red and claim mason my mafia buddy says i masoned him. I die flip mafia goon he fucking dies. The only people who in their right mind would claim mason, are mason. As for also saying im not transparent? You know my role, I am even trying to discuss the role itself. If you do not care about the possible damages of a mafia mason late game and only care about the now then you are not playing in the best interests of this town. You must always look ahead. If there are roles that could potentially fuck town two days from now that wouldn't have if we talked about them today then we talk about it today. Period. as for mafia dealing with me? Say for arguments sake, there are 4 masons and 1 is red. I don't get elected and am not lynched by mayor. Mafia now has the option of killing me and thus reducing the number of people they can hide amongst and masons are confirmable. By claiming, town will always be analyzing me and determining if i am red or blue and choose to off me based on it. Mafia have the risk of killing me early and thus potentially outing one of their own early on or leaving me alone and hope the town ignores me. The longer I live the more benefit i am to the town and if i die by mafia shot I out one of their own slightly faster. Now. How do people wish to deal with masons as a whole? Do all discussions made get posted in thread? Do we opt to not talk to people who mason you, etc... This is an important matter, move just passed my personal claim and look at the role as a whole. Here is a link to a thread where masons were discussed before to get an idea why I think its important to discuss. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278946the situation proposed there is obviously different from this game but the important none the less. The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms.
You're a vet, right?
I want to kill you for this too, cause you're not acting like a vet by saying masons are not powerful.
They are by far the most powerful types of roles in both the hands of scum and town.
On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.
So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*
You smell weird, scum.
Everyone take a moment to read this post and see how damn neutral it is. There is no actual content and the language is meek.
and this one :
On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target? Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy. Welcome back.
loooooooooool
My final message for now:
If you want to be useful, stop discussing shit like whether masons are town favored or scum favored. Agree that they're powerful and stop wasting valuable discussion and scumhunting time.
Instead, use it to actually find scum. If you can't do this, please show yourself so I can push for your lynch.
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