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On January 14 2012 10:45 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 10:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2012 10:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 10:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, BC when are you claiming who you masoned with? I'd like confirmation about your role.
Right now, I'm leaning town on you. I've seen you manipulate townies before in PM as scum, and in light of that, your mason claim makes it seem like you're more likely to be town. I don't see a benefit for a scum BC to claim mason, when it puts a lot of pressure and suspicion on himself, when instead he can just win the election and use his secret mason role to manipulate townies. Instead, you're going to be forced to pretty much claim your target every day, and anyone you talk to is instantly going to be more on guard after all the discussion today. let's get this straight right now, so we don't have to deal with this later: BC's mason claim is NOT reflective of his alignment in any way, shape, or form. If he's scum, people saying "oh yeah his mason claim makes him more likely to be town" and then voting him are exactly what he wants! Good scum take calculated risks like this, and this very well could be a calculated move to get the mayoral position. Since the mason claim is not indicative of alignment, please do not suggest that it is, because such a suggestion is not even close to conclusive or useful. yeah that's what i keep saying. Or at least I tried to. I see his claim as reasonable in some situations and it's it could be good for both, townie and mafia BC. I'm pretending that mason never happened at this point in time, I'd also like to leave palmar for d2 to see what changes. It's not like he's going to run away and if he's still behaving like that, fine lynch if. For the time being we got some better candidates to look at imo. no, screw leaving people till day 2. If he's useless now he'll be useless day 2. Kill him. I couldn't care less about veterans and usefulness later on or all of that bs. If you're a vet and I think you're scum day 1 I want you to die day 1. Palmar fits this perfectly. Just look at his filter if you don't believe me; he's had a full day (and by EU time it was an actual day, I've only had about 6 hours worth if you compare) and all of his posts have been one liner marginal content bull. He also refuses to respond to any sort of pressure and has been completely incapable of any sort of scumhunting. He's scum. Just kill him. I know I looked into his filter and I already told bc that palmar just looks over the top useless. I don't know if this is some weird trick of his (calling it now: BC masoned palmar and they're both tricking us!) or if he's just useless because he's mafia. What he said is way too scummy to actually happen d1 for palmar if he's playing serious. So imo this is wifom about wether he pretends to be useless therefor making us think he's way to much looking scum to actually be mafia or if he pretends to be useless for whatever trick he is trying on us this time. All I'm saying is we've got a decent chance figureing him out d2 and I'm not completly sure we're going to hit a red when lynching palmar. If he continues to troll him insta lynch him d2 and go for someone else d1.
EBWOP: it's getting late and I don't proofread. Business as usual. Made it a little more understandable within my quote
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On January 14 2012 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
ATTENTION THOSE WHO READ BUM'S POSTS
I like BC, and I think his goals are pro-town, but I also feel our best move is to not make him mayor based on that. He has stated to me that he is not expecting to win from his claim, but I would like him to live up to that self-less expectation. If he has a good lynch candidate, then I'll get behind him. Town masons, it's up to you how you feel you shoul act based on BC's proposal, but be prepared to explain exactly why you haven't followed up on it already.
Cyber_Cheese is my lynch choice at the moment if I get voted in. He had a very "why not?" campaign, got himself into multiple players scopes early on and I feel like people are actively not discussing candidates for lynch. If there are a few people who are actual scum, distractions like endlessly swamping BC with point-less accusations about his claim, scum tend to not like talking about them.
BC, if you vote for me, I'd prefer to have you as sheriff where you can mantain your protection while being ut under the microscope with your claim. That sounds reasonable, no?
@meapak: I'm not reliable? lol please bro, I'm the most reliable person in this game. I'm readable and smart, and as mayor I can nail that one-time lynch, and then my votes will always be reliably placed. I HAD RESPONSIBILITY COMPLETELY UNDER MY THUMB... regardless of what my voting history said lol. You said this a while ago so, if you think I'm not good enough to be mayor just come out and say it cupcake.
Who is still running? THREAD PRESCENCE PEOPLE. If I can't remember if you are running or not, then you might as well opt out. Any half-assed campaigns by townies are detrimental, because I'll take your ass to court in analysis if you said you were campaigning and coughed up empty in the useful department.
RPGs dude.
You killed us. 
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Would anyone like to discuss my mayoral candidacy? I think I make the best case to get a townie in office
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On January 14 2012 10:51 Mattchew wrote:
Would anyone like to discuss my mayoral candidacy? I think I make the best case to get a townie in office
no.
start discussing something useful, like who to lynch.
all of your lynch candidates suck.
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Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere.
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Mattchew's reasoning:
"Hm, foolishness is a strong townie I hear, and I'm a mason, I wonder what I should do?" At this point, mattchew had not yet posted in the thread so he must have read this;
On January 13 2012 14:36 Foolishness wrote:This is my official campaign post!It is all very simple! No, I am not running for office. My campaign is based around voting for the one and only Bill Murray! Let's face it, there are many people (L) who are going to run on the basis of lynching Bill Murray. Do we want to make such a rash decision this early in the game? Time has shown that such policy lynches are just a distraction from our true purpose of scum hunting. In order to save Bill Murray from such an easy day 1 lynch, I propose we save him by putting him in office. Now before you go on making propositions that I have just smoked a pound of weed, consider the situation our beloved Bill Murray is in. As his first game back, we know for sure he's going to be top notch. This is his chance to prove to the old members that he's changed and proved to the new members that he's a respectable player. Thus we can expect him to bust out his A+ game. He knows that if he nails a few mafia this game he'll have turned from village idiot into village hottie. Who would you rather have in office? Someone like Bill Murray who is probably spending 14 hours a day figuring out who is mafia or someone like kitaman27 or bumatlarge who will just put forth the same normal effort we'd expect from an elected official? Bill Murray is the real deal, and we know he'll be the real deal. Who knows how much effort Cyber_Cheese really wants to put in this game. Definitely not as much as Bill Murray will! A vote for Bill Murray is a vote for the town! Now what if our esteemed actor turns out to be mafia? Don't worry, as a proven scumhunter, I will dedicate enormous amounts of my time to making sure Bill Murray is indeed town. And he has a lot of games under his belt for comparison. Of course I will also be doing my usual scumhunting, so do not fret. But we can be sure that Bill Murray will be posting frequently (hopefully not too much) and will be active in his duties, especially given what I've said above. Is kitaman only going to make 2 posts a day if he gets elected in? Maybe. Will Bill Murray? No of course not. And we all know that the more someone posts the more likely their true colors show. If Bill Murray turns out to be mafia it shouldn't be long before it becomes obvious. If he's not, we got an easily confirmed innocent in office who at the very least will make the entire mafia team facepalm. And a mafia team with their palms on their faces will be unable to type. You can make the right choice! Vote Bill Murray!+ Show Spoiler +
Mattchew:
"Wow, he really is a solid townie! Look at how he backs a questionable candidate who has not even posted yet. He might be scum, or he's a really good town player"
Now, if you had alot of experience with foolishness, I could perhaps understand, but if this is your reasoning as a person who has not played with him, your reasons for him as town suck. ERGO you must be trolling.
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On January 14 2012 10:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
no, he's literally this bad as mafia. If he's this useless, he's auto scum.
If he's town he'll actually put in effort. This is not WIFOM because if he were town he would not want to confuse us. He would be clear about establishing himself as a townie and the "WIFOM" you speak of wouldn't exist.
Honestly there is no WIFOM, the only possibility for Palmar at this point is scum.
Since you keep saying let's keep him till day 2, I assume you have a better candidate for us to lynch? Why don't you give us that candidate? If not, then let's lynch Palmar, not? Why wait a day and waste a lynch that will potentially hit a townie instead of just killing the almost certain scum in Palmar?
he threatened to dayvig a dayvig last time he rolled town. He even said that he tried to chill a game and tried to troll town until everyone was telling him to stop shooting townies (telepathically thanks to V7's help).
Other alternatives? Sure what about those guys:
11. EchelonTee
20. Ciryandor
30. blahz0r
45. Macpo
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So why would you not vote for me wbg? Wouldn't you rather have a confirmed townie in office than someone you would be taking a leap of faith on?
The 3 I listed are all acting scummy, not trollish or over the top scummy, just scummy. Palmar is trolling and over the top, he would be a great day2 lynch if these actions continue, but it is too up in the air right now as to whether or not he is trolling or scum. He could be one of our biggest strengths in the future, I'd rather kill someone else now.
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On January 14 2012 10:58 Mattchew wrote:
So why would you not vote for me wbg? Wouldn't you rather have a confirmed townie in office than someone you would be taking a leap of faith on?
The 3 I listed are all acting scummy, not trollish or over the top scummy, just scummy. Palmar is trolling and over the top, he would be a great day2 lynch if these actions continue, but it is too up in the air right now as to whether or not he is trolling or scum. He could be one of our biggest strengths in the future, I'd rather kill someone else now.
just by the fact that you consider yourself confirmed town I don't want to vote you.
I don't understand why everyone says "Palmar would make a great day 2 lynch." If he would make a great day 2 lynch he'd make a great day 1 lynch. Let's stop screwing around and get to business, yeah? The pussyfooting we've been doing so far has been detrimental to town discussion and multiple people have already stated that they've been sidetracked by the stupid mason discussion.
All of the alternatives posed to Palmar right now are noobs or people who are otherwise not easy to read. Palmar is super easy to read; if he's playing like shit, afraid, and dodging questions or scumhunting, he's scum. If he's aggressive and tunnels people, he's town (now watch him come in and randomly tunnel someone for a while since I said this)
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On January 14 2012 10:56 bumatlarge wrote:Mattchew's reasoning: "Hm, foolishness is a strong townie I hear, and I'm a mason, I wonder what I should do?" At this point, mattchew had not yet posted in the thread so he must have read this; Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 14:36 Foolishness wrote:This is my official campaign post!It is all very simple! No, I am not running for office. My campaign is based around voting for the one and only Bill Murray! Let's face it, there are many people (L) who are going to run on the basis of lynching Bill Murray. Do we want to make such a rash decision this early in the game? Time has shown that such policy lynches are just a distraction from our true purpose of scum hunting. In order to save Bill Murray from such an easy day 1 lynch, I propose we save him by putting him in office. Now before you go on making propositions that I have just smoked a pound of weed, consider the situation our beloved Bill Murray is in. As his first game back, we know for sure he's going to be top notch. This is his chance to prove to the old members that he's changed and proved to the new members that he's a respectable player. Thus we can expect him to bust out his A+ game. He knows that if he nails a few mafia this game he'll have turned from village idiot into village hottie. Who would you rather have in office? Someone like Bill Murray who is probably spending 14 hours a day figuring out who is mafia or someone like kitaman27 or bumatlarge who will just put forth the same normal effort we'd expect from an elected official? Bill Murray is the real deal, and we know he'll be the real deal. Who knows how much effort Cyber_Cheese really wants to put in this game. Definitely not as much as Bill Murray will! A vote for Bill Murray is a vote for the town! Now what if our esteemed actor turns out to be mafia? Don't worry, as a proven scumhunter, I will dedicate enormous amounts of my time to making sure Bill Murray is indeed town. And he has a lot of games under his belt for comparison. Of course I will also be doing my usual scumhunting, so do not fret. But we can be sure that Bill Murray will be posting frequently (hopefully not too much) and will be active in his duties, especially given what I've said above. Is kitaman only going to make 2 posts a day if he gets elected in? Maybe. Will Bill Murray? No of course not. And we all know that the more someone posts the more likely their true colors show. If Bill Murray turns out to be mafia it shouldn't be long before it becomes obvious. If he's not, we got an easily confirmed innocent in office who at the very least will make the entire mafia team facepalm. And a mafia team with their palms on their faces will be unable to type. You can make the right choice! Vote Bill Murray!+ Show Spoiler + Mattchew: "Wow, he really is a solid townie! Look at how he backs a questionable candidate who has not even posted yet. He might be scum, or he's a really good town player" Now, if you had alot of experience with foolishness, I could perhaps understand, but if this is your reasoning as a person who has not played with him, your reasons for him as town suck. ERGO you must be trolling.
where did I say i believed foolishness was town? I just knew that he plays extremely well as town, + Show Spoiler + and I have no idea how to play this role. I took a risk and pm'd him. I will say that I have a town read on him but I am not going to claim that he is 100% town
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On January 14 2012 10:58 Mattchew wrote:
So why would you not vote for me wbg? Wouldn't you rather have a confirmed townie in office than someone you would be taking a leap of faith on?
The 3 I listed are all acting scummy, not trollish or over the top scummy, just scummy. Palmar is trolling and over the top, he would be a great day2 lynch if these actions continue, but it is too up in the air right now as to whether or not he is trolling or scum. He could be one of our biggest strengths in the future, I'd rather kill someone else now.
DUDE STOP CALLING YOURSELF CONFIRMED TOWNIE
Nothing is confirmed without a flip. Not even DT checks are confirmed until the DT flips. You are NOT a confirmed townie, you're ridiculous for thinking so.
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On January 14 2012 11:02 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:58 Mattchew wrote:
So why would you not vote for me wbg? Wouldn't you rather have a confirmed townie in office than someone you would be taking a leap of faith on?
The 3 I listed are all acting scummy, not trollish or over the top scummy, just scummy. Palmar is trolling and over the top, he would be a great day2 lynch if these actions continue, but it is too up in the air right now as to whether or not he is trolling or scum. He could be one of our biggest strengths in the future, I'd rather kill someone else now. just by the fact that you consider yourself confirmed town I don't want to vote you. I don't understand why everyone says "Palmar would make a great day 2 lynch." If he would make a great day 2 lynch he'd make a great day 1 lynch. Let's stop screwing around and get to business, yeah? The pussyfooting we've been doing so far has been detrimental to town discussion and multiple people have already stated that they've been sidetracked by the stupid mason discussion. All of the alternatives posed to Palmar right now are noobs or people who are otherwise not easy to read. Palmar is super easy to read; if he's playing like shit, afraid, and dodging questions or scumhunting, he's scum. If he's aggressive and tunnels people, he's town (now watch him come in and randomly tunnel someone for a while since I said this)
Look at wiggles mini mafia, he played like shit that first day too. He can come through with a fury day 2 and beyond.
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On January 14 2012 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:58 Mattchew wrote:
So why would you not vote for me wbg? Wouldn't you rather have a confirmed townie in office than someone you would be taking a leap of faith on?
The 3 I listed are all acting scummy, not trollish or over the top scummy, just scummy. Palmar is trolling and over the top, he would be a great day2 lynch if these actions continue, but it is too up in the air right now as to whether or not he is trolling or scum. He could be one of our biggest strengths in the future, I'd rather kill someone else now. DUDE STOP CALLING YOURSELF CONFIRMED TOWNIE Nothing is confirmed without a flip. Not even DT checks are confirmed until the DT flips. You are NOT a confirmed townie, you're ridiculous for thinking so.
sorry for using logic. If you cant follow that then please re-read me and foolishness's posts
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What I'm interested to know is who Foolishness wants in office: Mattchew or Bill Murray.
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On January 14 2012 10:50 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
ATTENTION THOSE WHO READ BUM'S POSTS
I like BC, and I think his goals are pro-town, but I also feel our best move is to not make him mayor based on that. He has stated to me that he is not expecting to win from his claim, but I would like him to live up to that self-less expectation. If he has a good lynch candidate, then I'll get behind him. Town masons, it's up to you how you feel you shoul act based on BC's proposal, but be prepared to explain exactly why you haven't followed up on it already.
Cyber_Cheese is my lynch choice at the moment if I get voted in. He had a very "why not?" campaign, got himself into multiple players scopes early on and I feel like people are actively not discussing candidates for lynch. If there are a few people who are actual scum, distractions like endlessly swamping BC with point-less accusations about his claim, scum tend to not like talking about them.
BC, if you vote for me, I'd prefer to have you as sheriff where you can mantain your protection while being ut under the microscope with your claim. That sounds reasonable, no?
@meapak: I'm not reliable? lol please bro, I'm the most reliable person in this game. I'm readable and smart, and as mayor I can nail that one-time lynch, and then my votes will always be reliably placed. I HAD RESPONSIBILITY COMPLETELY UNDER MY THUMB... regardless of what my voting history said lol. You said this a while ago so, if you think I'm not good enough to be mayor just come out and say it cupcake.
Who is still running? THREAD PRESCENCE PEOPLE. If I can't remember if you are running or not, then you might as well opt out. Any half-assed campaigns by townies are detrimental, because I'll take your ass to court in analysis if you said you were campaigning and coughed up empty in the useful department. RPGs dude. You killed us.
Please stop bringing this up, I had posted multiple times in the QT what we were going to do, and I had to manage your massive failure in the item game, as well as all these items in the black market that were OP as hell. You wanna push this, then blame it on the mods or something. As far as I was concerned, I was 1 of the only two useful townies that game, and I would have won it single handedly. Bringing this up is just a testament to how amazing I am as a leader.
Thanks jackal, I'm expecting your vote any minute now.
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I don't see how discussing who to lynch as a campaign is seen as something useful. As far as I'm concerned, it's all a coin-flip at this point and time. Some of the veterans pointed out Bill Murray or Cobbler are threats as scum. Anyone who doesn't want to put in effort in my opinion would be my first lynch if I was mayor. Otherwise, democratic voting system.
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On January 14 2012 11:06 Slardar wrote:
I don't see how discussing who to lynch as a campaign is seen as something useful. As far as I'm concerned, it's all a coin-flip at this point and time. Some of the veterans pointed out Bill Murray or Cobbler are threats as scum. Anyone who doesn't want to put in effort in my opinion would be my first lynch if I was mayor. Otherwise, democratic voting system.
You do realize what the point of mafia is, correct?
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On January 14 2012 11:06 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:50 Jackal58 wrote:On January 14 2012 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
ATTENTION THOSE WHO READ BUM'S POSTS
I like BC, and I think his goals are pro-town, but I also feel our best move is to not make him mayor based on that. He has stated to me that he is not expecting to win from his claim, but I would like him to live up to that self-less expectation. If he has a good lynch candidate, then I'll get behind him. Town masons, it's up to you how you feel you shoul act based on BC's proposal, but be prepared to explain exactly why you haven't followed up on it already.
Cyber_Cheese is my lynch choice at the moment if I get voted in. He had a very "why not?" campaign, got himself into multiple players scopes early on and I feel like people are actively not discussing candidates for lynch. If there are a few people who are actual scum, distractions like endlessly swamping BC with point-less accusations about his claim, scum tend to not like talking about them.
BC, if you vote for me, I'd prefer to have you as sheriff where you can mantain your protection while being ut under the microscope with your claim. That sounds reasonable, no?
@meapak: I'm not reliable? lol please bro, I'm the most reliable person in this game. I'm readable and smart, and as mayor I can nail that one-time lynch, and then my votes will always be reliably placed. I HAD RESPONSIBILITY COMPLETELY UNDER MY THUMB... regardless of what my voting history said lol. You said this a while ago so, if you think I'm not good enough to be mayor just come out and say it cupcake.
Who is still running? THREAD PRESCENCE PEOPLE. If I can't remember if you are running or not, then you might as well opt out. Any half-assed campaigns by townies are detrimental, because I'll take your ass to court in analysis if you said you were campaigning and coughed up empty in the useful department. RPGs dude. You killed us. Please stop bringing this up, I had posted multiple times in the QT what we were going to do, and I had to manage your massive failure in the item game, as well as all these items in the black market that were OP as hell. You wanna push this, then blame it on the mods or something. As far as I was concerned, I was 1 of the only two useful townies that game, and I would have won it single handedly. Bringing this up is just a testament to how amazing I am as a leader. Thanks jackal, I'm expecting your vote any minute now.
Lmao. You might get it yet as well.
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On January 14 2012 11:06 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:50 Jackal58 wrote:On January 14 2012 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
ATTENTION THOSE WHO READ BUM'S POSTS
I like BC, and I think his goals are pro-town, but I also feel our best move is to not make him mayor based on that. He has stated to me that he is not expecting to win from his claim, but I would like him to live up to that self-less expectation. If he has a good lynch candidate, then I'll get behind him. Town masons, it's up to you how you feel you shoul act based on BC's proposal, but be prepared to explain exactly why you haven't followed up on it already.
Cyber_Cheese is my lynch choice at the moment if I get voted in. He had a very "why not?" campaign, got himself into multiple players scopes early on and I feel like people are actively not discussing candidates for lynch. If there are a few people who are actual scum, distractions like endlessly swamping BC with point-less accusations about his claim, scum tend to not like talking about them.
BC, if you vote for me, I'd prefer to have you as sheriff where you can mantain your protection while being ut under the microscope with your claim. That sounds reasonable, no?
@meapak: I'm not reliable? lol please bro, I'm the most reliable person in this game. I'm readable and smart, and as mayor I can nail that one-time lynch, and then my votes will always be reliably placed. I HAD RESPONSIBILITY COMPLETELY UNDER MY THUMB... regardless of what my voting history said lol. You said this a while ago so, if you think I'm not good enough to be mayor just come out and say it cupcake.
Who is still running? THREAD PRESCENCE PEOPLE. If I can't remember if you are running or not, then you might as well opt out. Any half-assed campaigns by townies are detrimental, because I'll take your ass to court in analysis if you said you were campaigning and coughed up empty in the useful department. RPGs dude. You killed us. Please stop bringing this up, I had posted multiple times in the QT what we were going to do, and I had to manage your massive failure in the item game, as well as all these items in the black market that were OP as hell. You wanna push this, then blame it on the mods or something. As far as I was concerned, I was 1 of the only two useful townies that game, and I would have won it single handedly. Bringing this up is just a testament to how amazing I am as a leader. Thanks jackal, I'm expecting your vote any minute now.
EBWOP: Forgive this post, I got angry. If you really think I'd play this game exactly the way I would play insane mafia 2 where I was the police chief and the mayor, and you think someone here would have done a better job in the same position, then fine.
I'm opting out of the race. I'm clearly not meant to be mayor on TL ever again.
That said, Slardar, the strength of the mayor is how much ressure is put on them by deciding the lynch. Scum can run bullshit campaigns if all they need to live up to is having +3 voting power and night protection. Scum mayor's get massive amounts of flak very quickly because it becomes apparent rather quickly that they don't have town's best interest.
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