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On January 14 2012 11:59 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain.
I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none.
Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either
a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him
or
b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught.
This is logic.
Why should we vote you if you are bad?
A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me.
B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability.
C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence.
What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.
I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00).
The standard obligatory "I suck at scum"
I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3.
Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good.
I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00)
Not selling me, Mattchew. You are explaining reasons why we should vote for you here. But before that, you admit that you aren't the best town player, and that the "scum wouldn't pick you because you're not a good listener." So if you aren't the best town player, why would you even want to be put in as mayor? Obviously the mayor role was designed to have a strong scum-hunting town player since they have an insta-lynch, and they have the protection of the bodyguard's/knowledge of the who bodyguard's are. I am a bad scum listener, but I am learning to be a good town listener. I will be extremely active in consulting town with decisions that I have to make.A. Than you say you are confirmed town. How are you confirmed town? Claiming that you mason'd someone is hardly the right way.
The logic behind me mason'ing foolishness that early (1/14 01:29 TL time).B. This is applied to anyone that is placed into the Mayor position, save the mason ability. I don't see how it's that pertinent. I would be have an extra power that can help my decisions for town.C. So you basically are a Mayor with a veteran coach, but than say you aren't going to take their advice. I would much rather have a Mayor in office that is transparent about decisions, and not talking behind closed doors. My decisions will be transparent i will just have extra help reaching them. Why do you feel these players are scum? I personally would like to hear back from Macpo before I make any decisions on his alignment, although, he hasn't said anything since I brought him up earlier. Macpo is playing exactly like i did my first game (i was scum).
Ciry has posted next to nothing and supported a terrible campaign
I have never played with Foolishness before, but from what I understand, he is a strong townie player. I don't necessarily understand the supporting two players so abruptly, seemingly out of nowhere, but I guess that it comes from partial meta and partial private convo's - which, I think, should be at least brought to the front. I brought them to the frontFor the mayoral campaign, I originally like the BC, but I feel that after his claim, i'm not sure - i'm quite confused on the matter. I don't think a mafia player would play the card he did, but I don't want to pretend I know why a town player would do it either. The jury is still out on who I want to vote for for Mayor. [/b]
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On January 14 2012 11:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm willing to vote bum for the fact that I like him right now. I think he's
Bum are you willing to lynch Palmar?
I'd be willing to lynch BC too if I continue feeling the way I'm feeling about him. But we'll see. Need more time on that, since BC is much harder to read than Palmar. Palmar's just like lolscum
If it's really a popular consensus. He's far from pro-town with his nonsense, and his reasons for not running or not caring about the election is sketchy.
On January 14 2012 11:50 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:49 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 11:39 Jackal58 wrote:On January 14 2012 11:13 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 11:06 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 10:50 Jackal58 wrote:On January 14 2012 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
ATTENTION THOSE WHO READ BUM'S POSTS
I like BC, and I think his goals are pro-town, but I also feel our best move is to not make him mayor based on that. He has stated to me that he is not expecting to win from his claim, but I would like him to live up to that self-less expectation. If he has a good lynch candidate, then I'll get behind him. Town masons, it's up to you how you feel you shoul act based on BC's proposal, but be prepared to explain exactly why you haven't followed up on it already.
Cyber_Cheese is my lynch choice at the moment if I get voted in. He had a very "why not?" campaign, got himself into multiple players scopes early on and I feel like people are actively not discussing candidates for lynch. If there are a few people who are actual scum, distractions like endlessly swamping BC with point-less accusations about his claim, scum tend to not like talking about them.
BC, if you vote for me, I'd prefer to have you as sheriff where you can mantain your protection while being ut under the microscope with your claim. That sounds reasonable, no?
@meapak: I'm not reliable? lol please bro, I'm the most reliable person in this game. I'm readable and smart, and as mayor I can nail that one-time lynch, and then my votes will always be reliably placed. I HAD RESPONSIBILITY COMPLETELY UNDER MY THUMB... regardless of what my voting history said lol. You said this a while ago so, if you think I'm not good enough to be mayor just come out and say it cupcake.
Who is still running? THREAD PRESCENCE PEOPLE. If I can't remember if you are running or not, then you might as well opt out. Any half-assed campaigns by townies are detrimental, because I'll take your ass to court in analysis if you said you were campaigning and coughed up empty in the useful department. RPGs dude. You killed us.  Please stop bringing this up, I had posted multiple times in the QT what we were going to do, and I had to manage your massive failure in the item game, as well as all these items in the black market that were OP as hell. You wanna push this, then blame it on the mods or something. As far as I was concerned, I was 1 of the only two useful townies that game, and I would have won it single handedly. Bringing this up is just a testament to how amazing I am as a leader. Thanks jackal, I'm expecting your vote any minute now. EBWOP: Forgive this post, I got angry. If you really think I'd play this game exactly the way I would play insane mafia 2 where I was the police chief and the mayor, and you think someone here would have done a better job in the same position, then fine. I'm opting out of the race. I'm clearly not meant to be mayor on TL ever again. That said, Slardar, the strength of the mayor is how much ressure is put on them by deciding the lynch. Scum can run bullshit campaigns if all they need to live up to is having +3 voting power and night protection. Scum mayor's get massive amounts of flak very quickly because it becomes apparent rather quickly that they don't have town's best interest. I'm sorry Bum. I had no intention of pissing you off. You are one of my favorite people on here. Aw, you're one of my favorites too. But prepare your anus if you bring that up again. I'd probably vote for someone who was going to lynch cyber_cheese, or explains a better candidate. I don't see why ciryandor or palmar are scum over cheese. why do you think cheese is scum?
He immediately posts a campaign, and from where I'm standing, it was a run for the chance. Denying mayor or sheriff is huge for scum, so I believe it's worth it to have as many scum run as possible. I think that's the syptom this game has come down with. I did agree with his lynch a candidate, but it was so fleeting, it doesn't seem like a prospect he was intending to be on the other end of after suggesting it.
His posts ump around from topic to topic, and I hate questions that aren't intended to lead somewhere solid. Cyber_cheese is a major offender.
On January 13 2012 16:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 14:36 Foolishness wrote:+ Show Spoiler [campaign post] +This is my official campaign post!It is all very simple! No, I am not running for office. My campaign is based around voting for the one and only Bill Murray! Let's face it, there are many people (L) who are going to run on the basis of lynching Bill Murray. Do we want to make such a rash decision this early in the game? Time has shown that such policy lynches are just a distraction from our true purpose of scum hunting. In order to save Bill Murray from such an easy day 1 lynch, I propose we save him by putting him in office. Now before you go on making propositions that I have just smoked a pound of weed, consider the situation our beloved Bill Murray is in. As his first game back, we know for sure he's going to be top notch. This is his chance to prove to the old members that he's changed and proved to the new members that he's a respectable player. Thus we can expect him to bust out his A+ game. He knows that if he nails a few mafia this game he'll have turned from village idiot into village hottie. Who would you rather have in office? Someone like Bill Murray who is probably spending 14 hours a day figuring out who is mafia or someone like kitaman27 or bumatlarge who will just put forth the same normal effort we'd expect from an elected official? Bill Murray is the real deal, and we know he'll be the real deal. Who knows how much effort Cyber_Cheese really wants to put in this game. Definitely not as much as Bill Murray will! A vote for Bill Murray is a vote for the town! Now what if our esteemed actor turns out to be mafia? Don't worry, as a proven scumhunter, I will dedicate enormous amounts of my time to making sure Bill Murray is indeed town. And he has a lot of games under his belt for comparison. Of course I will also be doing my usual scumhunting, so do not fret. But we can be sure that Bill Murray will be posting frequently (hopefully not too much) and will be active in his duties, especially given what I've said above. Is kitaman only going to make 2 posts a day if he gets elected in? Maybe. Will Bill Murray? No of course not. And we all know that the more someone posts the more likely their true colors show. If Bill Murray turns out to be mafia it shouldn't be long before it becomes obvious. If he's not, we got an easily confirmed innocent in office who at the very least will make the entire mafia team facepalm. And a mafia team with their palms on their faces will be unable to type. You can make the right choice! Vote Bill Murray!+ Show Spoiler + Bill Murray hasn't even posted yet. Why are you so sure you want him elected? Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.
So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.
So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? No, that was a joke based on his always scum reputation. I will lynch the scummiest candidate. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:09 bumatlarge wrote:On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.
So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.
So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? I have successfully ruled this person out as mafia. I am good at this game. Explain. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
A couple notes about the set-up:
Elected roles gain detection immunity. This makes it worse for us if mafia get into one of these roles, as we have no way to DT check them. It also means that the GF probably won't run for office, or if he does, he'll drop out early. Between the mayor and the sheriff, the sheriff is the one who actually has power past day 1. So, one thing we can do, is vote in a player that we see as both a strong townie, and as being town in this game, into the mayor role solely for the purposes of protection. This applies to the sheriff too, but there's more responsibility on them as the game goes on due to the jailkeeper mechanic.
Also something to note, is that we can't trust vig claims, due to the possibility of mafia jack's, who would be able to shoot and not affect what KP would show up that night coming from the mafia.
We should also maybe talk about when to use our double lynches, but I don't think it's a huge deal until when the time comes that we might actually want to use them. We just need to be careful not to waste them.
Vote me into office, please. I disagree, the mayor still has a fair amount of power as the game gets closer to LYLO. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote:On January 13 2012 13:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh fail, didn't realise there was elections...
##Unvote
I'm going to run for mayor.
Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that.
It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it. This post is also bad. Rather than calling my posts bad, try adding something to the discussion. Are you running for mayor? If so, details. If not, what do you think of the candidates? Also, bum is directing blues already? planning ahead that much seems scummy... One more thing, if anyone was even considering it, don't run for mayor based on being a blue. It gives the scum too much information on day 1, and it could be scum lying.
Posting as town has direction and intention. Compare this to wiggles post.
On January 13 2012 15:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Bum, why are you giving generic blue advice?
What is the point of wiggles post? Obvious. What is the point of Cyber_Cheese's post? Not obvious at all. Intention, Wiggles>answers, Cheese>Distraction.
I'm not going to play this out politically, but if you want to oust cyber, vote me and that's what I will do. End of story.
I'll look into protact's analysis of BC, but I have a few immediate questions. Don't you think the set-up would change BC's decision to claim as town? I don't think the age-old argument of PM's being bad or good is what BC is on about. Is BC's self-interest what makes you think he is scum, or is it the actual claim/plan? I wouldn't agree at that point.
I'll also read palmar's filter again WBG, but there isn't much there. I'm suspicious of you pushing him so hard, but he is scummy, so I'll take what you say into account.
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Mattchew, you didn't even know if Foolish was town or not. You still don't. So why would his 'vouch' mean anything to anyone, and how in the world would it confirm anyone as town?
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I have to go for the night. Be back tomorrow morning (about 12 - 13 hours from now) I plan on re-reading cheese's filter tomorrow morning. Also, if anyone has a Palmar filter of him as scum acting similarly that would be great.
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I would recommend against a Palmar lynch. The argument against him is entirely meta-based, and as such should not be used as the basis of an argument.
However I would like to see him post more.
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On January 14 2012 12:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew, you didn't even know if Foolish was town or not. You still don't. So why would his 'vouch' mean anything to anyone, and how in the world would it confirm anyone as town?
If he is scum and I am town, why would he endorse me?
If we are both scum, do you think scum team or even me and him would call this attention? I even posted our entire pm convo.
If I am scum and he is town, do you think scum would a. mason me and b. let me pm one of the best townies?
most likely
If we are both town, we are trying to elect a townie
This isnt that hard of logic. Think it through fully
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On January 14 2012 12:17 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 12:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew, you didn't even know if Foolish was town or not. You still don't. So why would his 'vouch' mean anything to anyone, and how in the world would it confirm anyone as town? If he is scum and I am town, why would he endorse me? If we are both scum, do you think scum team or even me and him would call this attention? I even posted our entire pm convo. If I am scum and he is town, do you think scum would a. mason me and b. let me pm one of the best townies? most likely If we are both town, we are trying to elect a townie This isnt that hard of logic. Think it through fully
This is all WIFOM.
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On January 14 2012 12:21 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 12:17 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 12:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew, you didn't even know if Foolish was town or not. You still don't. So why would his 'vouch' mean anything to anyone, and how in the world would it confirm anyone as town? If he is scum and I am town, why would he endorse me? If we are both scum, do you think scum team or even me and him would call this attention? I even posted our entire pm convo. If I am scum and he is town, do you think scum would a. mason me and b. let me pm one of the best townies? most likely If we are both town, we are trying to elect a townie This isnt that hard of logic. Think it through fully This is all WIFOM.
There is a difference between WIFOM and providing logical thought. If you see a different outcome please let me know
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On January 14 2012 12:21 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 12:17 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 12:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew, you didn't even know if Foolish was town or not. You still don't. So why would his 'vouch' mean anything to anyone, and how in the world would it confirm anyone as town? If he is scum and I am town, why would he endorse me? If we are both scum, do you think scum team or even me and him would call this attention? I even posted our entire pm convo. If I am scum and he is town, do you think scum would a. mason me and b. let me pm one of the best townies? most likely If we are both town, we are trying to elect a townie This isnt that hard of logic. Think it through fully This is all WIFOM.
THIS IS ALL WIFOM
Let's take it point by point and see if we can come up with reasoning.
"If he is scum and I am town, why would he endorse me?"
I think a better question is why WOULDN'T he endorse you? New player? Check! Easily manipulated? Check! Not a threat as Mayor? Check!
"If we are both scum, do you think scum team or even me and him would call this attention?"
I don't think you're both scum, but no...if you were both scum we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.
"If I am scum and he is town, do you think scum would a. mason me and b. let me pm one of the best townies?"
Sure...I mean, if you're scum, I think your scum team would ABSOLUTELY let you PM one of the best townies. "Yeah dude, go for it. Who else are you gonna mason, one of us? LOL Just put on your newb-face and go nuts...OOOOO SEE IF HE'LL ENDORSE YOU FOR MAYOR!!!!"
And that was just off the top of my head Matt. The logic isn't hard here...you're not confirmed to anyone, and EVERYONE will tell you that. Even Foolish. He may THINK you're town, but even Foolishness will tell you that you're FAR from confirmed.
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The different outcome is, scum chose you and told you to mason an experienced townie. They want to use that to "prove" your innocence, because it is unlikely.
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ninja'd by VE, he covered the other scenarios but I think the most likely ones are, he is either town or scum. I don't think Foolishness is mafia.
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On January 14 2012 12:16 Nisani201 wrote:
I would recommend against a Palmar lynch. The argument against him is entirely meta-based, and as such should not be used as the basis of an argument.
However I would like to see him post more.
Good enough for me.
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I feel like I'm drowning in a sea of bullshit whenever I open this thread.
On the Palmar situation:
Well, hes all but declared "I'm a kite!" again. I really wanted to play with the Palmar that was ElectricBlack in Student Mafia, rather than the Palmar that derps about, waiting for someone to bump him off ala Purgatory. If ElectricBlack is in there somewhere, start doing your thing, otherwise I'm siding with WBG on this and you'd make a fine lynch. If you truly are town, can you not see how your 'derping' is actually hurting town? We are wasting time right now discussing you, when we should be hunting scum targets that aren't posting 1 liner insults.
On BC:
Jesus, piles and piles of WIFOM. 'If hes scum, he wouldn't claim mason so fast or at all'. I'm just going to stop everyone saying this shit right here. BC is touted as one of the best scum players in this community, discounting ANYTHING because it may not be 'optimal' is short-sighted and naive. I don't support the idea of a mass claim of masons, it just narrows the pool of people the scum are shooting into to knock off blues with more useful powers (yes their usefulness is open to debate, whatever, another time and place).
On the mayoral election:
I am going to vote for our mayor much like how I vote in federal elections, to pick the candidate I hate the least. Right now the only person running for mayor that I have seen do any analysis at all is Protactinium. Leading by example is the best kind of leadership, and I want him in charge of our town. Therefore:
##Vote Protactinium
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can you please read our conversation VE. If you think a scum team would make me mason, and let me talk to foolishness you are playing the wrong odds. Its extremely far fetched
However, I am not as concerned with Foolishness's alignment as I am with my own
(although he can't "manipulate" (to use your words) me past n1)
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3030 Posts
zzz ... been reading for the last couple of hours and trying to catch up on what I missed. My first vote was just to see if there would be any reactions. A few more pages to go ...
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@Protact - This was kinda buried in my post so I'll say it again.
'll look into protact's analysis of BC, but I have a few immediate questions. Don't you think the set-up would change BC's decision to claim as town? I don't think the age-old argument of PM's being bad or good is what BC is on about. Is BC's self-interest what makes you think he is scum, or is it the actual claim/plan? I wouldn't agree at that point.
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How do you guys even have the time to read all of this? I'm back on Page 32 and there are 45 pages so far? And we're still in day 1? This is bonkers ... I'm skipping a solid 15 pages of conversation and doing the only thing that makes sense.
##Vote Bill Murray for Mayor.
Why? He survived the zombie apocolypse. That's good enough for me 
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Palmar - Sorry WBG he's a null tell from where I'm standing, he's not being 100% useless and put his vote on someone relevant.
BC - While it does seem like a sneaky thing to do as scum, I can't get behind lynching BC without feeling really sure he is scum. Contradictions made pre-game often feel more concrete then they are. I don't think Protact referred enough to the mason mechanics this game for me to feel BC is trying to fuck us over.
Cyber_Cheese is still my strongest read.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=87086
bum I don't know what you see, but what about any of these posts has utility in any way shape or form for town?
In what world is Palmar "not 100% useless" in his current state?
None of his posts have breached one line and almost all of them have 0 content. He says Meapak is good, which isn't very helpful, he calls kita's (very valid concerns about his play, mind) dumb, he calls VE dumb and bad, he asks a noob how he knows his meta, and he wants to vote Protact because of a half-assed early game case on ciryandor.
If you seriously believe Palmar is not useless then I have to question your angle.
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On January 14 2012 13:53 bumatlarge wrote:
Palmar - Sorry WBG he's a null tell from where I'm standing, he's not being 100% useless and put his vote on someone relevant.
BC - While it does seem like a sneaky thing to do as scum, I can't get behind lynching BC without feeling really sure he is scum. Contradictions made pre-game often feel more concrete then they are. I don't think Protact referred enough to the mason mechanics this game for me to feel BC is trying to fuck us over.
Cyber_Cheese is still my strongest read.
kk palmar bum scum buds.
My intuition tells me right
whos going to kill them?
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